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Post by Hellsangel Sun Aug 12, 2012 12:00 am

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/08/11/things-you-need-know-about-congressman-paul-ryan?hpt=hp_t1
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:07 am

Hellsangel wrote:http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/08/11/things-you-need-know-about-congressman-paul-ryan?hpt=hp_t1

Here is the 17th "thing" that everyone should know about this Paul dude:

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On September 18, 2008, Ryan attended a closed meeting with congressional leaders, then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and was urged to craft legislation to help financially troubled banks. That same day Ryan sold shares in various troubled banks and invested in Goldman Sachs.
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Of course, he did not do anything illegal...he was just following his Roman catholic principles he learned form his school and family as part of "family values"

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Post by b_A Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:50 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://www.hlntv.com/article/2012/08/11/things-you-need-know-about-congressman-paul-ryan?hpt=hp_t1

Here is the 17th "thing" that everyone should know about this Paul dude:

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On September 18, 2008, Ryan attended a closed meeting with congressional leaders, then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and was urged to craft legislation to help financially troubled banks. That same day Ryan sold shares in various troubled banks and invested in Goldman Sachs.
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Of course, he did not do anything illegal...he was just following his Roman catholic principles he learned form his school and family as part of "family values"

Come On. In later part of 2008 , you didn't have to be a congressman or with insider knowledge to know that Banks were in big trouble. Everybody already knew that. It would've been news if knew it in the first or second quarter of 2008. Second thing is that he didn't make money there and probably lost money. Maybe a little lesser loss but a loss nonetheless.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:21 am

here's one thing he is NOT, a deficit hawk.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-isnt-a-deficit-hawk-hes-a-conservative-reformer/
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Post by b_A Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:31 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:here's one thing he is NOT, a deficit hawk.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-isnt-a-deficit-hawk-hes-a-conservative-reformer/

So the new criterion is being a deficit hawk . How is Obama doing there ?

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:34 am

b_A wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:here's one thing he is NOT, a deficit hawk.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/08/11/paul-ryan-isnt-a-deficit-hawk-hes-a-conservative-reformer/

So the new criterion is being a deficit hawk . How is Obama doing there ?

not really. we are just measuring them against THEIR OWN avowed goals.
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Post by Hellsangel Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:31 pm

Haven't seen you whine this much, Il Professore! Why don't you sit back , relax and trust the polls and his Holiness?
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:06 pm

questioning half truths is whining? unfortunately in this country, if you keep repeating something it becomes the truth. nobody has the time or inclination to dig into anything of substance. and the other side does have better sound bites.
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Post by Hellsangel Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:21 pm

Repeat after me:
Hope and Change
Hope and Change
Hope and Change
Hope and Change
Hope and Change
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Post by truthbetold Sun Aug 12, 2012 6:13 pm

Hell

it is fair to call fact backed analytical reasoning as whinning. That may be a clever todiss your opponent but it is not an honest way. Ryan's name was just announced and for afew days both sides would offer opinions to satuarate public with their side. Max is providing his sourcez. You may want to wait for atlrast a week before calling him names.

I am concerned about his proposals and the philosophy behind it. But ryan is one guy who risked his neck out by putting a real proposal on the table for discussion. Obama decided to go to polls with vague positions on most fiscal policies.

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Post by Idéfix Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:27 pm

b_A wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
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On September 18, 2008, Ryan attended a closed meeting with congressional leaders, then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and was urged to craft legislation to help financially troubled banks. That same day Ryan sold shares in various troubled banks and invested in Goldman Sachs.
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Come On. In later part of 2008 , you didn't have to be a congressman or with insider knowledge to know that Banks were in big trouble. Everybody already knew that. It would've been news if knew it in the first or second quarter of 2008. Second thing is that he didn't make money there and probably lost money. Maybe a little lesser loss but a loss nonetheless.
Let us look at this more closely. The big warning sign for the general investor was the Lehman bankruptcy, announced in the wee hours of Sep 15. Paul Ryan met Paulson and Bernanke on Sep 18 and sold his shares then. Did he benefit from this?

Take a look at the chart below, showing the Dow Jones Industrial Average and a financial sector ETF (I picked Vanguard Financials ETF for illustration, but you can check out others as well). The dot on the blue line is the day Ryan sold his stocks.

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As you can see, selling when he sold, with the non-public information he had, saved him quite a bit.
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Post by b_A Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:15 pm

panini press wrote:
b_A wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
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On September 18, 2008, Ryan attended a closed meeting with congressional leaders, then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke, and was urged to craft legislation to help financially troubled banks. That same day Ryan sold shares in various troubled banks and invested in Goldman Sachs.
*********

Come On. In later part of 2008 , you didn't have to be a congressman or with insider knowledge to know that Banks were in big trouble. Everybody already knew that. It would've been news if knew it in the first or second quarter of 2008. Second thing is that he didn't make money there and probably lost money. Maybe a little lesser loss but a loss nonetheless.
Let us look at this more closely. The big warning sign for the general investor was the Lehman bankruptcy, announced in the wee hours of Sep 15. Paul Ryan met Paulson and Bernanke on Sep 18 and sold his shares then. Did he benefit from this?

Take a look at the chart below, showing the Dow Jones Industrial Average and a financial sector ETF (I picked Vanguard Financials ETF for illustration, but you can check out others as well). The dot on the blue line is the day Ryan sold his stocks.

16 things Dow-fi10

As you can see, selling when he sold, with the non-public information he had, saved him quite a bit.

You've chosen the chart period cleverly, I must say. 6 months on either side will show a different picture.

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Post by Idéfix Mon Aug 13, 2012 7:59 pm

OK, let's try exactly 6 months before and 6 months after the day Ryan got his insider information. The blue dot in the middle is Sep 18, the day our man sold his troubled bank shares.

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This just exaggerates the losses that Ryan avoided by selling when he did using the non-public information.
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Post by truthbetold Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:04 pm

Pp
that chart is an interesting one. Oct 1 to mar 30 was hell. Libor went up crazy. Financial transactions ground to a halt in october. That was the central issue discussed by paulson and ben. Having lived through that carnage one could reasonably argue thatsmart money ran from market without any advice.

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Post by Idéfix Mon Aug 13, 2012 9:17 pm

If you look at the red line (financials ETF) you will notice that Ryan sold his troubled bank stocks near their highest post-crisis point (the first public wind of the crisis came with Bear going down in March, which is the beginning of this chart). Most investors hung on right until early October when the bottom fell out of the market. Ryan had the good fortune of being briefed how bad the situation really was, and he took full advantage of it by selling on the same day!
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Post by Idéfix Tue Aug 14, 2012 11:02 am

The Ryan camp has offered explanations for the trading situation which seem reasonable to me. It looks like Ryan did not have trading authority and that the meeting happened in the evening, after trading hours, on Sep 18, the day the trades were made.

http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/paul-ryan-insider-trading-rumor-quickly-debunked.php
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