This was worse than slavery. Why didn't GOI help him to get out?

by Rishi Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:25 pm

A 56-year-old Indian, who had been stuck in Oman for 30 years while awaiting an exit pass from the Gulf nation, died hours before he got signed documents proving his Indian nationality.

Madhusudhan, who first came to Muscat in 1977 from Kerala, had been living on the roof of a building in Muscat after his bag containing his passport and other documents were stolen.

Earlier, he had tried in vain to prove his nationality to Indian embassy officials in Muscat and government officials in Kerala, media reports said.

Finally a nativity certificate was issued to him but, unfortunately, it came just hours before his death, the reports said.

According to a Times of Oman report, even though he had a few documents to prove his Indian nationality, it was insufficient to obtain an out-pass.

Madhusudan had been working in a construction company for a few years and last visited his home in 1983.

"After 30 years of struggle, Madhu passed away, putting an end to his long wait," Muneer, a social worker in Muscat, told the newspaper.

"We came to know of Madhu from our friends last week. We found him lying in front of a building in Darsait, shivering from the cold. He didn't have enough clothes to keep himself warm. He was not even able to talk. Somehow, he managed to reveal his identity. So we quickly rushed him to hospital," Muneer said.

After becoming an undocumented migrant, he had approached embassy officials several times to get an out-pass.

"He had a National Cadet Corps [NCC] certificate and even a copy of his ration card. But these papers were not enough for the embassy officials to provide an out-pass. They insisted that he should provide his 'nativity certificate'.

Now that it's finally on its way, he didn't wait for it," the social worker was quoted as saying.

After he lost his passport, Madhu started doing menial jobs to survive in almost all the towns in the country.

"During the last 10 days, he was treated in several hospitals for heart ailments and tuberculosis. The medics did their best," Muneer told the newspaper.

"We thought we would be able to send him back to his hometown. But he didn't wait for our help. He left us for a world where no documents and help are needed," he said.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/stuck-with-an-omani-roof-for-30-yrs-indian-dies-without-setting-eyes-on-motherland/1066302/0

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jan 30, 2013 12:59 am

Bcz he is not a muslim.

by Kayalvizhi Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:16 am

>> this-was-worse-than-slavery-why-didn-t-goi-help-him-to-get-out

Because he is not a Hindian. People, read Tamil Tribune http://www.tamiltribune.com/ regularly to understand the mindset of Hindians who rule most of South asia

by Kris Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:30 am

He had a National Cadet Corps [NCC] certificate and even a copy of his ration card. But these papers were not enough for the embassy officials to provide an out-pass

>>>Strangely, I can relate to this. When I went to get my PIO card, the Indian Consulate insisted that I produce my old Indian passport (which I had lost) or my father's (yes, my father's) birth cert/passport or utility bills addressed to me received at an Indian address. I pointed out that my father lived in India and I would have no reason to have his documents and since I had not lived in India for years, the utility bills didn't make sense. I showed them various school records that identify me by parentage, religion and even caste (the Indian obsession). Not enough. Eventually, the work around that I was married to a PIO and therefore, I qualified.

by goodcitizn Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:34 am

Kris wrote:He had a National Cadet Corps [NCC] certificate and even a copy of his ration card. But these papers were not enough for the embassy officials to provide an out-pass

>>>Strangely, I can relate to this. When I went to get my PIO card, the Indian Consulate insisted that I produce my old Indian passport (which I had lost) or my father's (yes, my father's) birth cert/passport or utility bills addressed to me received at an Indian address. I pointed out that my father lived in India and I would have no reason to have his documents and since I had not lived in India for years, the utility bills didn't make sense. I showed them various school records that identify me by parentage, religion and even caste (the Indian obsession). Not enough. Eventually, the work around that I was married to a PIO and therefore, I qualified.

What a story, Kris!

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:38 am

Kris wrote:He had a National Cadet Corps [NCC] certificate and even a copy of his ration card. But these papers were not enough for the embassy officials to provide an out-pass

>>>Strangely, I can relate to this. When I went to get my PIO card, the Indian Consulate insisted that I produce my old Indian passport (which I had lost) or my father's (yes, my father's) birth cert/passport or utility bills addressed to me received at an Indian address. I pointed out that my father lived in India and I would have no reason to have his documents and since I had not lived in India for years, the utility bills didn't make sense. I showed them various school records that identify me by parentage, religion and even caste (the Indian obsession). Not enough. Eventually, the work around that I was married to a PIO and therefore, I qualified.

For some reason the Indian Sarkaar babus still sick to the rules verbatim - even in this modern computer age. Can't they simply search their database. Most Indians who stayed here for long must have submitted their Indian passports for renewal or some such thing. At least in India, the babus can hope to make some money by unnecessary trouble. Here even that is not feasible - then why this bad damaging behavior?

by goodcitizn Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:40 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:>> this-was-worse-than-slavery-why-didn-t-goi-help-him-to-get-out

Because he is not a Hindian. People, read Tamil Tribune http://www.tamiltribune.com/ regularly to understand the mindset of Hindians who rule most of South asia

For once I agree with KV. Had it been Rashmun, P. Chidambaram would have rescued him in a heartbeat. Afterall, PC is an alumnus "summa" cum laude of DBHPS.

by Kayalvizhi Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:42 am

goodcitizn wrote:What a story, Kris!

When you called the embassy, did they ansswaer the phone first in Hindi and then switch to english?

by Kris Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:44 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Kris wrote:He had a National Cadet Corps [NCC] certificate and even a copy of his ration card. But these papers were not enough for the embassy officials to provide an out-pass

>>>Strangely, I can relate to this. When I went to get my PIO card, the Indian Consulate insisted that I produce my old Indian passport (which I had lost) or my father's (yes, my father's) birth cert/passport or utility bills addressed to me received at an Indian address. I pointed out that my father lived in India and I would have no reason to have his documents and since I had not lived in India for years, the utility bills didn't make sense. I showed them various school records that identify me by parentage, religion and even caste (the Indian obsession). Not enough. Eventually, the work around that I was married to a PIO and therefore, I qualified.

For some reason the Indian Sarkaar babus still sick to the rules verbatim - even in this modern computer age. Can't they simply search their database. Most Indians who stayed here for long must have submitted their Indian passports for renewal or some such thing. At least in India, the babus can hope to make some money by unnecessary trouble. Here even that is not feasible - then why this bad damaging behavior?

>>>>I am told they have outsourced the process and hopefully it is for the better. I have had no dealings with them in awhile. Need to get around to the PIO/OCI for my kids one of these days. In terms of searching databases etc, after looking at their office in SFO at that time, the thought didn't even cross my mind. It was like going to a gov't office in India.

by Kayalvizhi Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:45 am

Before Guf War I, there was an evacuation of "indians" in Iraq. A Keralite told me that the staff spoke to him in Hindi repeatedly even though he was asking questions in English.

by Kris Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:46 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:What a story, Kris!

When you called the embassy, did they ansswaer the phone first in Hindi and then switch to english?

>>>No they simply didn't answer. If you had to ask this question, it proves conclusively that you have never had any dealings with the bureaucracy. Ergo, you must be a sri lankan:)

by Idéfix Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:48 am

Kris wrote:I am told they have outsourced the process and hopefully it is for the better.

They have outsourced all passport processing. I ran out of pages in my passport and need to get extra pages. My experience with them so far has not been good. A few years ago I applied directly to the consulate for a new passport when my older passport expired; that was quite smooth and quick. The problem with the current set up is that their decision-making is all fragmented and nobody seems to be able to make a decision to expedite a request.

by Kris Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:50 am

goodcitizn wrote:
Kris wrote:He had a National Cadet Corps [NCC] certificate and even a copy of his ration card. But these papers were not enough for the embassy officials to provide an out-pass

>>>Strangely, I can relate to this. When I went to get my PIO card, the Indian Consulate insisted that I produce my old Indian passport (which I had lost) or my father's (yes, my father's) birth cert/passport or utility bills addressed to me received at an Indian address. I pointed out that my father lived in India and I would have no reason to have his documents and since I had not lived in India for years, the utility bills didn't make sense. I showed them various school records that identify me by parentage, religion and even caste (the Indian obsession). Not enough. Eventually, the work around that I was married to a PIO and therefore, I qualified.

What a story, Kris!

>>>> There is more to it. The irony was one of their bigwigs had taken me to lunch a few months earlier thanking me for my efforts to expose media bias against india ( a long story).

by Idéfix Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:51 am

Kris wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Kris wrote:He had a National Cadet Corps [NCC] certificate and even a copy of his ration card. But these papers were not enough for the embassy officials to provide an out-pass

>>>Strangely, I can relate to this. When I went to get my PIO card, the Indian Consulate insisted that I produce my old Indian passport (which I had lost) or my father's (yes, my father's) birth cert/passport or utility bills addressed to me received at an Indian address. I pointed out that my father lived in India and I would have no reason to have his documents and since I had not lived in India for years, the utility bills didn't make sense. I showed them various school records that identify me by parentage, religion and even caste (the Indian obsession). Not enough. Eventually, the work around that I was married to a PIO and therefore, I qualified.

What a story, Kris!

>>>> There is more to it. The irony was one of their bigwigs had taken me to lunch a few months earlier thanking me for my efforts to expose media bias against india ( a long story).

Wow. Bureaucracy zindabad.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jan 30, 2013 1:54 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:Before Guf War I, there was an evacuation of "indians" in Iraq. A Keralite told me that the staff spoke to him in Hindi repeatedly even though he was asking questions in English.

O M G....

we all agree that Hindians are fanatics and will talk in hindi Wonly eeeeweverywhere...

Stop asking the same crap over and over...Get over it... What the shyt can you do ? What the shyt have you done and what the shyt have you accomplished so far ?

Was Kris supposed to return if he was answered in Hindi?

Where did YOU get your Indian birth certificate? Given by who ? you shamelessly carred indian passport to travel to this country, dealth with Indian consulates, and now talk as though you landed straight from Ealam, which I call that Ezhavu Naadu.

by Kris Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:00 am

panini press wrote:
Kris wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Kris wrote:He had a National Cadet Corps [NCC] certificate and even a copy of his ration card. But these papers were not enough for the embassy officials to provide an out-pass

>>>Strangely, I can relate to this. When I went to get my PIO card, the Indian Consulate insisted that I produce my old Indian passport (which I had lost) or my father's (yes, my father's) birth cert/passport or utility bills addressed to me received at an Indian address. I pointed out that my father lived in India and I would have no reason to have his documents and since I had not lived in India for years, the utility bills didn't make sense. I showed them various school records that identify me by parentage, religion and even caste (the Indian obsession). Not enough. Eventually, the work around that I was married to a PIO and therefore, I qualified.

What a story, Kris!

>>>> There is more to it. The irony was one of their bigwigs had taken me to lunch a few months earlier thanking me for my efforts to expose media bias against india ( a long story).
Wow. Bureaucracy zindabad.

>>>>Th exchange was rather comical looking back on it now, although at that time, it was exasperating. There were questions like 'can you show us your driver's license from India?' and my wife interjecting 'but he learned to drive in the US'. The final outcome of all this was the PIO card on which my year of birth is wrong. Last time I was in India, the clerk at the airport noticed it and told me that I should go to the indian embassy and get it straightened out. As I was walking away from him, i muttered to myself 'like that's going to happen'

by goodcitizn Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:13 am

[quote="Kris"]

panini press wrote:
Kris wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:

What a story, Kris!

As I was walking away from him, i muttered to myself 'like that's going to happen'

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:27 am

Kris wrote:
panini press wrote:
Kris wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
Kris wrote:He had a National Cadet Corps [NCC] certificate and even a copy of his ration card. But these papers were not enough for the embassy officials to provide an out-pass

>>>Strangely, I can relate to this. When I went to get my PIO card, the Indian Consulate insisted that I produce my old Indian passport (which I had lost) or my father's (yes, my father's) birth cert/passport or utility bills addressed to me received at an Indian address. I pointed out that my father lived in India and I would have no reason to have his documents and since I had not lived in India for years, the utility bills didn't make sense. I showed them various school records that identify me by parentage, religion and even caste (the Indian obsession). Not enough. Eventually, the work around that I was married to a PIO and therefore, I qualified.

What a story, Kris!

>>>> There is more to it. The irony was one of their bigwigs had taken me to lunch a few months earlier thanking me for my efforts to expose media bias against india ( a long story).
Wow. Bureaucracy zindabad.

>>>>Th exchange was rather comical looking back on it now, although at that time, it was exasperating. There were questions like 'can you show us your driver's license from India?' and my wife interjecting 'but he learned to drive in the US'. The final outcome of all this was the PIO card on which my year of birth is wrong. Last time I was in India, the clerk at the airport noticed it and told me that I should go to the indian embassy and get it straightened out. As I was walking away from him, i muttered to myself 'like that's going to happen'

in my case, there is some Dosham between myself and any passport/visa related activity.

My first Indian passport the initial was "expanded" wrongly by my uncle - who was my guardian.
This caused major problem when I applied for a passport to come to US. It took me 2 years and exasperated I literally shoved the peon and 2 Gumasthas and barged into the conference room where the South Indian regional director was holding a meeting. I went straight to him and explained to him and showed him the rules book and told him the 2 year delay was all wrong. one humastha came running and asked me to get the passport the next day.

My visa rejected but was recalled in literally 2 seconds before i crossed the door and my visa was stamped.

Had a deportation notice before i got a job.

GC - my labor was returned and had to go through the process. When I filed my Labor certificate it got lost - bc the INS office was movig to its newly constructed building (duhhh....once in 100 yr event). anyway, I filed a duplicate with a duplicate labor cert.

Went and received the GC...and next day received INS notice asking me to appear for C interview...!!!! the INS received my original lost application and issued me ANOTHER GC interview.

well I can go on and on... with every interaction I ever had with passport/visa issue of any country.

P.S. Daammn... I really had guts in those days. I had this nasty habit of walking straight to the Headest honcho at any office if I did not get proper service. I walked into a regional general mgrs of SBI meeting in madras once (that was one hilarious story which I might have said here). Don't know where all that bravery disappeared....Must be the marriage.

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