Maria S wrote:I am getting a little tired and weary of this pattern of timepass- it's quite unpleasant to see picking on the doctrine of Christianity (which really is the worst to me)..then Christians..and then the Catholics and their Church..and finally Tamil Christians..knowing very well..that there is no other practicing Christian- Tamil Christians in this forum but me.

I think it is in poor taste when it is relentless..I have to 1) either ignore it and interact as if..it does not matter to me or 2) have to defend what I think is blatantly slanted- prejudiced.
Both are not good options for me.

Maria S wrote:I am getting a little tired and weary of this pattern of timepass- it's quite unpleasant to see picking on the doctrine of Christianity (which really is the worst to me)..then Christians..and then the Catholics and their Church..and finally Tamil Christians..knowing very well..that there is no other practicing Christian- Tamil Christians in this forum but me.

I think it is in poor taste when it is relentless..I have to 1) either ignore it and interact as if..it does not matter to me or 2) have to defend what I think is blatantly slanted- prejudiced.
Both are not good options for me.

Rishi wrote:Maria,

I also post articles criticizing Gurus, people polluting the rivers in the name of religion and many other aspects of the practices of Hinduism.

Why get so defensive?

I think if the Christians at the Saidapet church pray for the destruction of the Hanuman statue then it is really an act of bigotry.
Is it not?

Maria S wrote:
You won't hear from me- on anything related to Christianity or Christians anymore.

Rishi wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284080

I went to a popular church in Saidapet (Chennai ) out of curiosity few years back and the entire hall (around 500 fanatics) stood up and started praying "Oh lord please let the big evil Hanuman statue in Delhi crumble down under the Metro trains"!!!!

Kris wrote:

Rishi wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284080

I went to a popular church in Saidapet (Chennai ) out of curiosity few years back and the entire hall (around 500 fanatics) stood up and started praying "Oh lord please let the big evil Hanuman statue in Delhi crumble down under the Metro trains"!!!!

>>>Is the implication this is a commonplace event? If it is, it is a falsehood. If its not, this is mischief-mongering.

Rashmun wrote:

Kris wrote:

Rishi wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284080

I went to a popular church in Saidapet (Chennai ) out of curiosity few years back and the entire hall (around 500 fanatics) stood up and started praying "Oh lord please let the big evil Hanuman statue in Delhi crumble down under the Metro trains"!!!!

>>>Is the implication this is a commonplace event? If it is, it is a falsehood. If its not, this is mischief-mongering.

Even if it is not a typical, regularly occurring event, it does raise some concerns.

Kris wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Kris wrote:

Rishi wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284080

I went to a popular church in Saidapet (Chennai ) out of curiosity few years back and the entire hall (around 500 fanatics) stood up and started praying "Oh lord please let the big evil Hanuman statue in Delhi crumble down under the Metro trains"!!!!

>>>Is the implication this is a commonplace event? If it is, it is a falsehood. If its not, this is mischief-mongering.

Even if it is not a typical, regularly occurring event, it does raise some concerns.

>>>>I think this is an aberration based on my interactions with this community, on a fairly extensive basis. There are probably a few idiots who do this sort of thing, as there are in other religions, but this seems like going the extra mile to create conflict.

Kris wrote:

>>>>I think this is an aberration based on my interactions with this community, on a fairly extensive basis. There are probably a few idiots who do this sort of thing, as there are in other religions, but this seems like going the extra mile to create conflict.

rawemotions wrote:

Kris wrote:

>>>>I think this is an aberration based on my interactions with this community, on a fairly extensive basis. There are probably a few idiots who do this sort of thing, as there are in other religions, but this seems like going the extra mile to create conflict.

I vehemently disagree, when you say that all religions indulge in it. I do not recollect any of the Hindu/Jain/Sikh temples being used by the priests, to issue such statements to the congregation.

rawemotions wrote:Well, you should have been clear when you made your original statement. I did not make any references to occurrences.

But I can quote instances of manuals being printed tarnishing Hinduism and distributed to encourage conversions. Google "Satyadarshini". India is probably the only country in the world, where minorities keep quiet, when some of their brethen, denigrate majority religion, so openly, all because Congress party added an amendment to the constitution to explicitly include the word Preach.
They can preach by talking good things about their religion, but should they have to talk ill of other religions ? If you question faith where does it end ? Then you can question any faith ? It is a very dangerous trend and a recipe for avoidable conflicts.
I really do not know why the normal Christian folks keep quiet and allow the extremists among their clergy to do all these. Would the same thing happen in Pakistan or Egypt ? Everybody should contribute to communal harmony, not just Majority community alone. But alas, that is not the view point of UPA , Sonia sponsored anti-constitutional policy making body called NAC.

When "Satyadarshini" happened, the chief clergy in Delhi did not explicitly ask for the offending priests arrest or prosecution. Infact he sounded like an apologist for him. That guy disappeared into Kerala and as far as I remember has never never been caught. The behaviour of monotheistic minorities in India, reminds me of a statement by Edmund burke
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

Rashmun wrote:

Kris wrote:

Rishi wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284080

I went to a popular church in Saidapet (Chennai ) out of curiosity few years back and the entire hall (around 500 fanatics) stood up and started praying "Oh lord please let the big evil Hanuman statue in Delhi crumble down under the Metro trains"!!!!

>>>Is the implication this is a commonplace event? If it is, it is a falsehood. If its not, this is mischief-mongering.

Even if it is not a typical, regularly occurring event, it does raise some concerns.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Kris wrote:

Rishi wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284080

I went to a popular church in Saidapet (Chennai ) out of curiosity few years back and the entire hall (around 500 fanatics) stood up and started praying "Oh lord please let the big evil Hanuman statue in Delhi crumble down under the Metro trains"!!!!

>>>Is the implication this is a commonplace event? If it is, it is a falsehood. If its not, this is mischief-mongering.

Even if it is not a typical, regularly occurring event, it does raise some concerns.

assuming that the incident described actually occurred, it is an extremely uncivil and hostile thing to do. as a person who was born into a christian family, i condemn the prayers of these christians, which express nothing but ill will towards hindus. even if such incidents are not frequent, there is no place for such hostility in civil society.

Kayalvizhi wrote:Since it concerns Tamil people, I looked into this thread. Usually I ignore these religious fanatic threads.

The link you gave does not have the quote you published at the very first post. ??

Rashmun wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:Since it concerns Tamil people, I looked into this thread. Usually I ignore these religious fanatic threads.

The link you gave does not have the quote you published at the very first post. ??

It does. Check the comments section.

Kayalvizhi wrote:OK. Rishi told me. I missed it because you first go to the link Rishi posted here, and then click another link to see that excerpt.



THere is absolutely no evidence that Saidapet Christians are prayinbg for the Hanuman statue. It is not news from the Outlook magazine editors or contributors. It is a comment by somebody. Yoy can post whaever you want. No fact checking. I bet that it is false flame posted by a fanatic. Nothing more. Anybody can postr Anything. Rishi. Do this. Go to that site and post some outrageous nonsense. People will read it and some will believe it.

This commenter (Prasanth) may be a Hindian who wants to divide Tamils by religion.

TN was an island of religiouis tolerance. When there was bloodbath in north in 1947, no violence in south. Religious intolerance came to TN only after Hindian outfits like RSS, BJP came to TN and also set up and funded some reliiosly fanatic groups. Similarly Muslim fanatics also came into TN. These two outsider sponsored groups are trying to divide Tamils by religion. Dont fall for that.

rawemotions wrote:May not be in Triplicane, but seems to happen on other places.
http://newstodaynet.com/col.php?section=20&catid=33&id=19152

But I think the question to answer really is, if let us say, Chennai had a 60% Muslim Majority, what would happen ? That is the question.

It is answered by a comment made in Malaysia, reproduced below.

The local State Government of there had given permission to the Hindus for the construction of a temple. Fundamentalist Muslims led by one Mohd. Bin Ramili and others have launched an agitation issuing an open threat to the Government. They are saying:’”We Muslims are 90% in this State. Hindus account for only less than 10%. With a Hindu temple in our residential neighbourhood, we cannot function properly as Muslims. The temple will disrupt our daily activities like prayers in the ‘Surau’. We cannot concentrate with the sounds coming from the Hindu temple.’

goodcitizn wrote:

rawemotions wrote:May not be in Triplicane, but seems to happen on other places.
http://newstodaynet.com/col.php?section=20&catid=33&id=19152

But I think the question to answer really is, if let us say, Chennai had a 60% Muslim Majority, what would happen ? That is the question.

It is answered by a comment made in Malaysia, reproduced below.

The local State Government of there had given permission to the Hindus for the construction of a temple. Fundamentalist Muslims led by one Mohd. Bin Ramili and others have launched an agitation issuing an open threat to the Government. They are saying:’”We Muslims are 90% in this State. Hindus account for only less than 10%. With a Hindu temple in our residential neighbourhood, we cannot function properly as Muslims. The temple will disrupt our daily activities like prayers in the ‘Surau’. We cannot concentrate with the sounds coming from the Hindu temple.’

Yes, this writer is citing one incident in Ooty that took place in 2009. This is by no means a statewide occurrence in Tamil Nadu, nor is this an annual occurrence.

Islam is the religion of the Federation of Malaysia, protected by its constitution. India is secular. Let us not compare apples and oranges.

goodcitizn wrote:Islam is the religion of the Federation of Malaysia, protected by its constitution. India is secular. Let us not compare apples and oranges.

rawemotions wrote:The problem is majority of the Muslims remain silent, when Political Islamists commit crimes against Humanity/Cultural intolerance/Islamic Supremacism, and they are not able to counter them ideologically (link to Hadith/Quran etc..) even if they do not like what is being done, because these marauders also quote Quran for their actions.

rawemotions wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

rawemotions wrote:May not be in Triplicane, but seems to happen on other places.
http://newstodaynet.com/col.php?section=20&catid=33&id=19152

But I think the question to answer really is, if let us say, Chennai had a 60% Muslim Majority, what would happen ? That is the question.

It is answered by a comment made in Malaysia, reproduced below.

The local State Government of there had given permission to the Hindus for the construction of a temple. Fundamentalist Muslims led by one Mohd. Bin Ramili and others have launched an agitation issuing an open threat to the Government. They are saying:’”We Muslims are 90% in this State. Hindus account for only less than 10%. With a Hindu temple in our residential neighbourhood, we cannot function properly as Muslims. The temple will disrupt our daily activities like prayers in the ‘Surau’. We cannot concentrate with the sounds coming from the Hindu temple.’

Yes, this writer is citing one incident in Ooty that took place in 2009. This is by no means a statewide occurrence in Tamil Nadu, nor is this an annual occurrence.

Islam is the religion of the Federation of Malaysia, protected by its constitution. India is secular. Let us not compare apples and oranges.

I think you did not read the article properly. The author says
There were savage attacks on Vinayaka Chathurthi processions at Ooty, Kalpakkam, Tirupur, Palani, Muthupet, Marthal, Thiruvidamcode and many other places.

His precise reason for writing this article is reproduced below

Organised attacks on Vinayaka Chaturthi processions in different parts of Tamilnadu have become an expected ugly annual feature.

goodcitizn wrote:Islam is the religion of the Federation of Malaysia, protected by its constitution. India is secular. Let us not compare apples and oranges.

a) Secularism in Indian polity is not being followed in a way that makes it sustainable. It is in danger of withering in Muslim Majority parts of India.
b) The problem is majority of the Muslims remain silent, when Political Islamists commit crimes against Humanity/Cultural intolerance/Islamic Supremacism, and they are not able to counter them ideologically (link to Hadith/Quran etc..) even if they do not like what is being done, because these marauders also quote Quran for their actions.

Now, regarding your point. I have reproduced Malaysian laws from Wikipedia. Islam is state religion, but it guarantees freedom of religion to Non-Malays. Very similar to Bangladesh. So are you saying that freedom of religion means they can object to presence of temple. How is a presence of temple threat to Islam ? The whole point is the behaviour when they are in a majority.

If you are here to argue with me that (Political) Islam is secular in nature or the way it is practiced, then I think you are on a sticky wicket! The facts globally speaks otherwise. This is now happening in Bangladesh (its secularism is similar to Malaysia). http://www.hindujagruti.org/news/15783.html. Yesterday there has been a POGROM against Hindus in Bangladesh after the verdict against one of the JeI leaders. The verdict was basically for their first POGROMS, and instead of introspection, they are starting a second POGROM.

Rishi wrote:http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?284080

I went to a popular church in Saidapet (Chennai ) out of curiosity few years back and the entire hall (around 500 fanatics) stood up and started praying "Oh lord please let the big evil Hanuman statue in Delhi crumble down under the Metro trains"!!!!