Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:Nenu...how many AP's are considered average and normal in your school?

And yes BC calc does not have Ab calc as a prerequisite..in fact the bc calc score from collegeboard comes built-in with a subscore for the ab section.

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:It looks like 6-10 AP's is the 'norm'.

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:It looks like 6-10 AP's is the 'norm'.

kinnera wrote:

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:It looks like 6-10 AP's is the 'norm'.

I guess. Educational standards are getting higher and higher in US, what with all the indian and asian immigrants. Too many overachievers in schools. I can see the difference from my older one's time to the younger one's and it's getting worse/better.

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:

kinnera wrote:

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:It looks like 6-10 AP's is the 'norm'.

I guess. Educational standards are getting higher and higher in US, what with all the indian and asian immigrants. Too many overachievers in schools. I can see the difference from my older one's time to the younger one's and it's getting worse/better.

I was speaking with a friend who mentioned this is mutually assured destruction arms race where everyone ends up working harder.

In social circuits, education used to be a polite and invisible topic. Nowadays it has become fairly central to lots of conversations - and in get-togethers it is no longer expected that high schoolers will participate - they are too busy and never at home for weekends. Dinners are mostly times for strategy chats, parents are just chiefs-of-staff, brief preparers, alarm clocks, schedule managers, wardrobe assistants, brand managers, and valets. People may be in the same room, but everyone is in their own self-created electronic spaces.

kinnera wrote:

Muezzin-Bar'chu wrote:It looks like 6-10 AP's is the 'norm'.

I guess. Educational standards are getting higher and higher in US, what with all the indian and asian immigrants. Too many overachievers in schools. I can see the difference from my older one's time to the younger one's and it's getting worse/better.

nenu wrote:What did d do after she completed calc bc in the middle of the 10th grade in HS? What math courses did she do in 11th and 12th grade?

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

after college, she applied for a job to only one org. sixteen groups there invited her to interviews. she picked eight to interview, and three offered her jobs, of which she chose one.

p.s. american etiquette permits everyone to brag about his/her d - not s - so long as she's still at university. in any case, s's gpa on graduation from school was 2.75, yes, out of a possible 4.0. we never despaired.

Uppili wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

after college, she applied for a job to only one org. sixteen groups there invited her to interviews. she picked eight to interview, and three offered her jobs, of which she chose one.

p.s. american etiquette permits everyone to brag about his/her d - not s - so long as she's still at university. in any case, s's gpa on graduation from school was 2.75, yes, out of a possible 4.0. we never despaired.

It is always amazing how kids turn out so different.

So did "d" finish and in a job already? Thot she started just 3 years ago.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:the mentor of any middle-school student today who wants to guide his/her child through math and the sciences should take into account the hand-held, graphing calculators available today for $100 to $160 or so. the ti-89 and ti's more recent nspire (yes, that's the spelling) can instantly determine integrals in symbolic form. the ti-84, which is about fifteen years old, has always been able to determine definite integrals numerically with great accuracy.

this changes the math education game entirely, increasing the importance of conceptual understanding, modeling and interpretation of results, and decreasing that of computation and even symbolic manipulation.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:one of d's college admission essays was about learning mathematics with me, all the way from childhood. (i never suggested that she write such an essay.) needless to say, i loved it.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:here's an excerpt:

When I was four and my brother was *****, we would play this game with my father called “The Wicked Shopkeeper of Nambonga.” We would come into his evil shop to buy some candy, and my father would tell us how much we should pay him. Wielding our new multiplication skills, we would inevitably discover to our delight that he was trying to cheat us. So I would call the police on my Fisher-Price phone, and my brother would arrive as the police, screaming siren noises, and we would nab the shopkeeper, who always tried to evade arrest as evil shopkeepers usually do. We would have to wrestle him to the ground, each of us grappling an entire arm. In this way, math was always a game to me, and learning was always exciting.

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:here's an excerpt:

When I was four and my brother was *****, we would play this game with my father called “The Wicked Shopkeeper of Nambonga.”

sir, is that kosher? i mean, using "this game" instead of "a game"?

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

nenu wrote:What did d do after she completed calc bc in the middle of the 10th grade in HS? What math courses did she do in 11th and 12th grade?

i remember now. she took calculus ab in the 1st half of the year, then with the approval of the math department, did calculus bc in the 2nd half, mostly by herself, with guidance from the bc teacher. she didn't attend the bc lectures, but did the hw assignments, quizzes, and tests. she used a good textbook. at the end of the year, she wrote both the ab and bc ap exams. in effect, she completed both ab and bc in one year.

she took other interesting courses in 11th and 12th grades, including ap economics and ap statistics. she had plenty of other things to do too, in particular, captain the tennis team and engage in neuroscience research at a university. d was and is a sponge for knowledge; we never had to push her. at college, she graduated with two degrees: a b.s. in physics, and a b.a. in economics. she's now in the latter field.

after college, she applied for a job to only one org. sixteen groups there invited her to interviews. she picked eight to interview, and three offered her jobs, of which she chose one.

p.s. american etiquette permits everyone to brag about his/her d - not s - so long as she's still at university. in any case, s's gpa on graduation from school was 2.75, yes, out of a possible 4.0. we never despaired.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Uppili wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

after college, she applied for a job to only one org. sixteen groups there invited her to interviews. she picked eight to interview, and three offered her jobs, of which she chose one.

p.s. american etiquette permits everyone to brag about his/her d - not s - so long as she's still at university. in any case, s's gpa on graduation from school was 2.75, yes, out of a possible 4.0. we never despaired.

It is always amazing how kids turn out so different.

So did "d" finish and in a job already? Thot she started just 3 years ago.

when i said "after college," i meant "immediately after her undergrad years." she's now in the 4th year of her ph. d. program.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:the mentor of any middle-school student today who wants to guide his/her child through math and the sciences should take into account the hand-held, graphing calculators available today for $100 to $160 or so. the ti-89 and ti's more recent nspire (yes, that's the spelling) can instantly determine integrals in symbolic form. the ti-84, which is about fifteen years old, has always been able to determine definite integrals numerically with great accuracy.

this changes the math education game entirely, increasing the importance of conceptual understanding, modeling and interpretation of results, and decreasing that of computation and even symbolic manipulation.

may i add that...

...i wasn't advocating the use of the hand-held, texas instruments graphing calculator as a mere computing or even problem solving device. its highest-order function, i think, is as a teaching device: to conduct experiments with, and learn from.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:one of d's college admission essays was about learning mathematics with me, all the way from childhood. (i never suggested that she write such an essay.) needless to say, i loved it.

i looked for that essay in my files and found it. here's an excerpt:

When I was four and my brother was *****, we would play this game with my father called “The Wicked Shopkeeper of Nambonga.” We would come into his evil shop to buy some candy, and my father would tell us how much we should pay him. Wielding our new multiplication skills, we would inevitably discover to our delight that he was trying to cheat us. So I would call the police on my Fisher-Price phone, and my brother would arrive as the police, screaming siren noises, and we would nab the shopkeeper, who always tried to evade arrest as evil shopkeepers usually do. We would have to wrestle him to the ground, each of us grappling an entire arm. In this way, math was always a game to me, and learning was always exciting.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:here's an excerpt:

When I was four and my brother was *****, we would play this game with my father called “The Wicked Shopkeeper of Nambonga.”

sir, is that kosher? i mean, using "this game" instead of "a game"?

not exactly, but we're not jewish. in any case, she wouldn't have taken any suggestion from me.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:here's an excerpt:

When I was four and my brother was *****, we would play this game with my father called “The Wicked Shopkeeper of Nambonga.”

sir, is that kosher? i mean, using "this game" instead of "a game"?

not exactly, but we're not jewish. in any case, she wouldn't have taken any suggestion from me.

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:here's an excerpt:

When I was four and my brother was *****, we would play this game with my father called “The Wicked Shopkeeper of Nambonga.”

sir, is that kosher? i mean, using "this game" instead of "a game"?

not exactly, but we're not jewish. in any case, she wouldn't have taken any suggestion from me.

sir, i asked because you once rapped my knuckles for using "this" in a similar fashion and attributed the mistake to everything northindian about me.

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:here's an excerpt:

When I was four and my brother was *****, we would play this game with my father called “The Wicked Shopkeeper of Nambonga.”

sir, is that kosher? i mean, using "this game" instead of "a game"?

not exactly, but we're not jewish. in any case, she wouldn't have taken any suggestion from me.

sir, i asked because you once rapped my knuckles for using "this" in a similar fashion and attributed the mistake to everything northindian about me.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:here's an excerpt:

When I was four and my brother was *****, we would play this game with my father called “The Wicked Shopkeeper of Nambonga.”

sir, is that kosher? i mean, using "this game" instead of "a game"?

not exactly, but we're not jewish. in any case, she wouldn't have taken any suggestion from me.

sir, i asked because you once rapped my knuckles for using "this" in a similar fashion and attributed the mistake to everything northindian about me.

she was a 17-year-old, and you were a northindian; she's no more a 17-year-old, but you are still a northindian.

Vidya Bagchi wrote:I blame it all on the little Hindi she learned from Mrs Chaturvedi, the Phd Hindi teacher.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:she was a 17-year-old, and you were a northindian; she's no more a 17-year-old, but you are still a northindian.

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:she was a 17-year-old, and you were a northindian; she's no more a 17-year-old, but you are still a northindian.

but you were an uptight, grouchy spellchecker when she was 17, weren't you?

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Captain Bhankas wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:she was a 17-year-old, and you were a northindian; she's no more a 17-year-old, but you are still a northindian.

but you were an uptight, grouchy spellchecker when she was 17, weren't you?

the spellchecker didn't catch gc when he wrote under the belief that perdition meant loss, and the expression is "treat a person with kit gloves," nor indophile for his "renumeration," did it?