Chidambaram on Ramdev episode

by sambarvada Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:41 pm

===> See how calm, articulate and intelligent this SI comes across? He has complete restraint over his emotions.

Nirupama Rao also behaves the same way.

Compare this how a typical NI politican or bureuacrat acts. A lot of shouting, emotional outbursts, gesticulating and incoherence.

by Guest Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:02 pm

sambarvada wrote:===> See how calm, articulate and intelligent this SI comes across? He has complete restraint over his emotions.

Nirupama Rao also behaves the same way.

Compare this how a typical NI politican or bureuacrat acts. A lot of shouting, emotional outbursts, gesticulating and incoherence.

by Propagandhi711 Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:54 pm

sambarvada wrote:===> See how calm, articulate and intelligent this SI comes across? He has complete restraint over his emotions.

Nirupama Rao also behaves the same way.

Compare this how a typical NI politican or bureuacrat acts. A lot of shouting, emotional outbursts, gesticulating and incoherence.

eating all that exclusive iyer food made him thusly. I bet you rest of lower caste tamilian politicians behave in an excited fashion.

by sambarvada Wed Jun 08, 2011 10:34 pm

====> ROFLMAO.

Did'nt expect this comeback.

Forgot about the thug Vijakanth.

Anyway he is an exception.

by charvaka Thu Jun 09, 2011 12:04 am

Chidambaram wrote:A decision was made that Ramdev would not be allowed to organize any protest or undertake any fast unto death at the Ramlila grouds and that if he persisted in his efforts to undertake a fast unto death, he would be directed to remove himself from Delhi.

This is just plain wrong on so many levels. To use a Delhiite idiom, Delhi is the government's father's property or what? India a free country, and its citizens have certain fundamental rights. One of those is being able to stay in Delhi if they want to, and fast if they want to. How can the government "direct" someone to "remove himself from Delhi?" What next? We will have to get passes from the government to enter Delhi, like the citizens of the People's Republic of China need to do in order to enter Beijing?

Chidambaram wrote:When the decision was served, he was obliged to remove himself.

Why? If the decision was to not permit a fast at Ramlila Grounds (let's buy PC's argument for a little bit), why is it required for Ramdev to leave Delhi? What is the legal basis for that "decision?"

Chidambaram wrote:Decisions are taken by the police authorities.

Chidambaram washes his hands off the matter! This is beyond shameless. Take some responsibility, and own up what you guys decided, instead of blaming Delhi police for the political decision you asked them to carry out!

Chidambaram wrote:According to police, there were 20,000 persons...

There goes your (Rashmun's) oft-repeated claim that there were 50,000 people at the site.

by Guest Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:53 am

charvaka wrote:
Chidambaram wrote:A decision was made that Ramdev would not be allowed to organize any protest or undertake any fast unto death at the Ramlila grouds and that if he persisted in his efforts to undertake a fast unto death, he would be directed to remove himself from Delhi.
This is just plain wrong on so many levels. To use a Delhiite idiom, Delhi is the government's father's property or what? India a free country, and its citizens have certain fundamental rights. One of those is being able to stay in Delhi if they want to, and fast if they want to. How can the government "direct" someone to "remove himself from Delhi?" What next? We will have to get passes from the government to enter Delhi, like the citizens of the People's Republic of China need to do in order to enter Beijing?

Chidambaram wrote:When the decision was served, he was obliged to remove himself.
Why? If the decision was to not permit a fast at Ramlila Grounds (let's buy PC's argument for a little bit), why is it required for Ramdev to leave Delhi? What is the legal basis for that "decision?"

Chidambaram wrote:Decisions are taken by the police authorities.
Chidambaram washes his hands off the matter! This is beyond shameless. Take some responsibility, and own up what you guys decided, instead of blaming Delhi police for the political decision you asked them to carry out!

Chidambaram wrote:According to police, there were 20,000 persons...
There goes your (Rashmun's) oft-repeated claim that there were 50,000 people at the site.

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India is a free country but India is also a county which is governed by the rule of law and not by anarchy. Our ancients (for instance Bhisma Pitamah in the Mahabharata) have pointed out that anarchy is worst form of government. According to the rule of law the designated spot for holding political rallies in Delhi is Jantar Mantar. You cannot hold political rallies anywhere you like in Delhi. Ramdev sought and got permission for holding a yoga camp at Ram Lila ground in Delhi which Chidambaram says is located in a sensitive area in Delhi. Ramdev sought and got permission for 5,000 people but Chidambaram says more than 20,000 people had collected. (I had earlier used the figure of 50,000 based on Digvijay Singh's statement in which he had used this figure.) Anyone who has seen the videos on youtube can see that chaos was taking place at Ram Lila ground. Chidambaram says that a single spark could have ignited a conflagration. What the govt. did was a preemptive action to avoid such a scenario. They had every right to bring the rally to an end because it was illegal at many levels. The number of people who had collected was far more than the number for which permission had been sought and given. Also, it was illegal to hold a rally at that particular venue. Further, tensions had flared and since Ramdev was using provocative language there was a fear of violence taking place. We all remember that in December 1992, violence had taken place despite the BJP's pleas that they would only do peaceful agitation. The problem is that when a crowd of people collects it can take only a single spark to ignite a conflagration as Chidambaram points out.

When permission was denied to Ramdev to hold his rally in Delhi he requested the U.P. government to let him hold his rally in Noida. But his request was denied by Mayawati. For the same reason--i.e. Ramdev posed a threat to the law and order situation. We have of course not yet heard you criticize Mayawati.

Ramdev has of course shown his colors by claiming that he would build a small army of suicide bombers. You would rather, from what one can make out, wait and watch for the suicide bombers to be trained and armed and then make arrests after they have killed some people. I am for preemptive action.

by charvaka Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:12 am

I responded in the other thread.

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