Kayalvizhi wrote:A 5 member all-party (read as all Hindian party) delegation of MPs are in Sri Lanka on a fact finding mission. Headed by BJP MP Sushma. Not only TN MPs refused to participate but a Congress Minister from TN asked the delegation not to go.

People of Jaffna told Sushma and other MPs that they do not trust TN political parties but trust BJP and Congress.

Kayalvizhi wrote:I did not think you are this gullible.

With Sinhala soldiers watching, what else do you think people to say?

Kayalvizhi wrote:are you so clueless?

Every Eelam Tamil who escaped to TN or western countries praise LTTE for fighting and sacrificing for them. No complaints from them.

Kris wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:are you so clueless?

Every Eelam Tamil who escaped to TN or western countries praise LTTE for fighting and sacrificing for them. No complaints from them.

>>>>Sacrificing others for them, you mean. Of course, there were no complaints from them. It was some other fool who was brainwashed into killing himself for their cause or was forced to be the shield.

garam_kuta wrote:

Kris wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:are you so clueless?

Every Eelam Tamil who escaped to TN or western countries praise LTTE for fighting and sacrificing for them. No complaints from them.

>>>>Sacrificing others for them, you mean. Of course, there were no complaints from them. It was some other fool who was brainwashed into killing himself for their cause or was forced to be the shield.

hmm..can we say the same about all freedom fighters, particularly those that practised non-violence ?

Kris wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:

Kris wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:are you so clueless?

Every Eelam Tamil who escaped to TN or western countries praise LTTE for fighting and sacrificing for them. No complaints from them.

>>>>Sacrificing others for them, you mean. Of course, there were no complaints from them. It was some other fool who was brainwashed into killing himself for their cause or was forced to be the shield.

hmm..can we say the same about all freedom fighters, particularly those that practised non-violence ?

>>>>Which ones sat in distant lands and applauded and promoted organizations that engaged in recruiting suicide bombers and using human shields?

garam_kuta wrote:

Kris wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:

Kris wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:are you so clueless?

Every Eelam Tamil who escaped to TN or western countries praise LTTE for fighting and sacrificing for them. No complaints from them.

>>>>Sacrificing others for them, you mean. Of course, there were no complaints from them. It was some other fool who was brainwashed into killing himself for their cause or was forced to be the shield.

hmm..can we say the same about all freedom fighters, particularly those that practised non-violence ?

>>>>Which ones sat in distant lands and applauded and promoted organizations that engaged in recruiting suicide bombers and using human shields?

it's the brainwashing part thats contentious and part of the problem..would you say the same of gandhi followers who sacrificed a lot for the freedom of India?

Kris wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:

Kris wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:

Kris wrote:

>>>>Sacrificing others for them, you mean. Of course, there were no complaints from them. It was some other fool who was brainwashed into killing himself for their cause or was forced to be the shield.

hmm..can we say the same about all freedom fighters, particularly those that practised non-violence ?

>>>>Which ones sat in distant lands and applauded and promoted organizations that engaged in recruiting suicide bombers and using human shields?

it's the brainwashing part thats contentious and part of the problem..would you say the same of gandhi followers who sacrificed a lot for the freedom of India?

>>>>With due respect, I believe we are dealing with a non sequitur here. Your counter to my post would have validity if it can be shown Gandhi employed suicide bombers and used human shields picked from those he was ostensibly trying to protect. Absent that, we cannot make a moral equivalence between the LTTE and Gandhi.

garam_kuta wrote:

Kris wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:

Kris wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:

hmm..can we say the same about all freedom fighters, particularly those that practised non-violence ?

>>>>Which ones sat in distant lands and applauded and promoted organizations that engaged in recruiting suicide bombers and using human shields?

it's the brainwashing part thats contentious and part of the problem..would you say the same of gandhi followers who sacrificed a lot for the freedom of India?

>>>>With due respect, I believe we are dealing with a non sequitur here. Your counter to my post would have validity if it can be shown Gandhi employed suicide bombers and used human shields picked from those he was ostensibly trying to protect. Absent that, we cannot make a moral equivalence between the LTTE and Gandhi.

Kris - my premise is not any specific organization/group of people at all and is more general - from that perspective, does adopting gandhian way in freedom struggle ( which is just another different strategy, but nevertheless fighting) come under brainwashing was the question ? propelled by gandhian persuasion, they volunteered and just like anybody they got hurt and a lot died. strategies and mechanisms of protest vary with times; conflict resolution by force happens in the middle of cities and civilians, unlike the mahabharatham days of displaying valor outside - that was the good old days, of course