MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i would not want the US govt to make any special accommodations to anyone. we already have a free, welcoming, and open society. for instance the proscription against hijab wearing introduced by france could never pass constitutional muster in the US. immigrants too need to make an effort to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to individuals here.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:There isn't that much of a difference between Christianity, Judaism and Islam when it comes to believing that they are the chosen people by "GOD" (and the rest are doomed!). If you look at how Christianity gradually moved away from monomania, and accepted modern ways (and science and logic), you can see how Muslims can also be integrated into the mainstream. If you go to a prosperous Jewish house, you may find a book or two on Upanishads, a Buddha's statue, etc., next to a book on mathematics and science! Once the average Muslim woman is educated and integrated into the mainstream, militant Islam will be a thing of the past.

Islam is not going to be the most difficult issue for humanity in future. Pseudo-secularism (a fanatic religion) and "extremely brilliant fukular jihadists" in India will be a HUGE problem for the world. Their policies will translate into poor quality education, inappropriate hiring, poor quality manufacturing, chit-fund scams, road accidents, building collapses, societal unrest, CORRUPTION, etc. I don't think the world can deal with such fukular terrorism by 1/5th of humanity.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:There isn't that much of a difference between Christianity, Judaism and Islam when it comes to believing that they are the chosen people by "GOD" (and the rest are doomed!). If you look at how Christianity gradually moved away from monomania, and accepted modern ways (and science and logic), you can see how Muslims can also be integrated into the mainstream. If you go to a prosperous Jewish house, you may find a book or two on Upanishads, a Buddha's statue, etc., next to a book on mathematics and science! Once the average Muslim woman is educated and integrated into the mainstream, militant Islam will be a thing of the past.

Islam is not going to be the most difficult issue for humanity in future. Pseudo-secularism (a fanatic religion) and "extremely brilliant fukular jihadists" in India will be a HUGE problem for the world. Their policies will translate into poor quality education, inappropriate hiring, poor quality manufacturing, chit-fund scams, road accidents, building collapses, societal unrest, CORRUPTION, etc. I don't think the world can deal with such fukular terrorism by 1/5th of humanity.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i would not want the US govt to make any special accommodations to anyone. we already have a free, welcoming, and open society. for instance the proscription against hijab wearing introduced by france could never pass constitutional muster in the US. immigrants too need to make an effort to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to individuals here.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:There isn't that much of a difference between Christianity, Judaism and Islam when it comes to believing that they are the chosen people by "GOD" (and the rest are doomed!). If you look at how Christianity gradually moved away from monomania, and accepted modern ways (and science and logic), you can see how Muslims can also be integrated into the mainstream. If you go to a prosperous Jewish house, you may find a book or two on Upanishads, a Buddha's statue, etc., next to a book on mathematics and science! Once the average Muslim woman is educated and integrated into the mainstream, militant Islam will be a thing of the past.

Islam is not going to be the most difficult issue for humanity in future. Pseudo-secularism (a fanatic religion) and "extremely brilliant fukular jihadists" in India will be a HUGE problem for the world. Their policies will translate into poor quality education, inappropriate hiring, poor quality manufacturing, chit-fund scams, road accidents, building collapses, societal unrest, CORRUPTION, etc. I don't think the world can deal with such fukular terrorism by 1/5th of humanity.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i know propagandhi was being sarcastic but there is a grain of truth in his outburst. the list of people the US has to make amends with is long -- jews, irish and italian immigrants, mexicans, japanese immigrants, chinese railroad workers, not to mention african americans and native americans. most have found their way to live here peacefully. so will should muslims.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i would not want the US govt to make any special accommodations to anyone. we already have a free, welcoming, and open society. for instance the proscription against hijab wearing introduced by france could never pass constitutional muster in the US. immigrants too need to make an effort to take advantage of the opportunities afforded to individuals here.

Propagandhi711 wrote:
OH NO!!! american must make amends for sleeping with the jew and invading the mussalman. american must make special accommodations and give freebees. this is how congress does it in india and god knows it works. free trips to mecca for everybody and bigamy laws waived!! this is the world confuzzuled will be happy in and be proud to be a part of. also free jagan.

confuzzled dude wrote:"That was the point the brothers’ uncle Ruslan Tsarni made when he called his nephews "losers". He was arguing against the notion that the boys represented a larger community. He and his family, after all, were part of the same Chechen migration to the United States and are well-adjusted, law-abiding and thoroughly American."

The United States can learn from European efforts to integrate Muslims. Historically, assimilation has worked better in the United States, but European countries are dealing with a much more complex, larger problem. Their Muslim populations are much greater 5 percent of the population in Germany and 7.5 percent in France, compared with 0.8 percent in the United States, according to Pew calculations and the immigrants often come from places close by and can easily maintain ties to their birth countries.

The lesson from Europe appears to be: Embrace Muslim communities. That’s a conclusion U.S. law enforcement agencies would confirm. The better the relationship with local Muslim groups, the more likely they are to provide useful information about potential jihadis.

An attack apparently inspired but also perhaps directed by al-Qaeda was foiled recently in Canada for just this reason. An imam in Toronto noticed one of his congregants behaving strangely and reported the behavior to the police, who followed up and arrested the man before he could execute his plan.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/fareed-zakaria-a-better-way-for-america-to-integrate-muslims/2013/04/24/9e1ca588-ad12-11e2-b6fd-ba6f5f26d70e_story.html?hpid=z2

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Fareed The Plagiarist Zakaria is taking like a typical Musalman defending his Ummah. Europe ???? Perhaps, he should copy some recent articles about the German-Turks incidents, French-Algerian caustic relationship; his own native country. Does he want the US to ban Purdah system like the French ? I am all for it.

ONE of the imams in Toronto reported ? what about the rest of the crowd ? It is also true that only one of the imams in every city calls the shots when it comes to the Ummah-terror. How come no Imam reports any other imams to the police ? do ALL the imams are pure and thoroughbred?

What a bunch of bull. He should stick to plagiarising.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:
OH NO!!! american must make amends for sleeping with the jew and invading the mussalman. american must make special accommodations and give freebees. this is how congress does it in india and god knows it works. free trips to mecca for everybody and bigamy laws waived!! this is the world confuzzuled will be happy in and be proud to be a part of. also free jagan.

I think India can serve as a model country for the world with integrating Muslims into the fabric of society. There is something special about India, always remained a Hindu majority country in spite of centuries of Muslim/Christian rulers while the surrounding regions (Pakistan to Samarkand) succumbed to Islam.

confuzzled dude wrote:
I think India can serve as a model country for the world with integrating Muslims into the fabric of society.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Fareed The Plagiarist Zakaria is taking like a typical Musalman defending his Ummah. Europe ???? Perhaps, he should copy some recent articles about the German-Turks incidents, French-Algerian caustic relationship; his own native country. Does he want the US to ban Purdah system like the French ? I am all for it.

ONE of the imams in Toronto reported ? what about the rest of the crowd ? It is also true that only one of the imams in every city calls the shots when it comes to the Ummah-terror. How come no Imam reports any other imams to the police ? do ALL the imams are pure and thoroughbred?

What a bunch of bull. He should stick to plagiarising.

Saamiyaar, take a deep breath...

1.. 2..... 3.......

It's OKAY for Imam to report of suspicious activities, It's a GOOD thing you know.

99% of muslims are like Ruslan Tsarni, Zakaria, you, me and your neighbor, are not influenced by extremist jihadi views..

That's what Zakaria was trying to convey.

you feel better now?

Propagandhi711 wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:
OH NO!!! american must make amends for sleeping with the jew and invading the mussalman. american must make special accommodations and give freebees. this is how congress does it in india and god knows it works. free trips to mecca for everybody and bigamy laws waived!! this is the world confuzzuled will be happy in and be proud to be a part of. also free jagan.

I think India can serve as a model country for the world with integrating Muslims into the fabric of society. There is something special about India, always remained a Hindu majority country in spite of centuries of Muslim/Christian rulers while the surrounding regions (Pakistan to Samarkand) succumbed to Islam.

LOL@the revisionist history.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
I think India can serve as a model country for the world with integrating Muslims into the fabric of society.

i think i prefer the american model of secularism to india's. equal indifference (at least legally) to all religions is better than an active embrace and cultivation. i understand for historical reasons that is not possible in india, but my personal preference is the american model. the indian model results in silly things like the haj subsidy.

Captain Bhankas wrote:ever wondered why sikhs never play the minority card, whine about victimization and marginalization and yet manage to prosper no matter where they go?

have you ever heard jains or parsis play that card in india? yet they prosper, don't they?

Captain Bhankas wrote:ever wondered why sikhs never play the minority card, whine about victimization and marginalization and yet manage to prosper no matter where they go?

have you ever heard jains or parsis play that card in india? yet they prosper, don't they?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:nomani clearly has the hots for uncle ruslan, but she is the antidote to zakaria:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/on-faith/muslims-have-a-problem-uncle-ruslan-may-have-the-answer/2013/04/23/d8975c18-ab68-11e2-b6fd-ba6f5f26d70e_story.html