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Post by Rishi Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:14 pm

Chennai, thought of as a conservative city, is a bold one in matters of
literature. From the time of Subramanya Bharati, India’s oldest living
language has produced a string of stylish poets and novelists.

Why would you want India's oldest living language to replaced by Hindi?

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Post by Kayalvizhi Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:17 pm

Rishi wrote:Chennai, thought of as a conservative city, is a bold one in matters of
literature. From the time of Subramanya Bharati, India’s South Asia's oldest living
language has produced a string of stylish poets and novelists.

Why would you want India’s South Asia's oldest living language to replaced by Hindi?

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Post by truthbetold Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:41 pm

Rishi,
Are you suggesting tamil produced stylish poets and novelists only in the last 100.plus years only?

Has english replaced tamil? The issue was about hindi replacing english as the primary official communication tool.





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Post by Guest Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:54 pm

Rishi wrote:Chennai, thought of as a conservative city, is a bold one in matters of
literature. From the time of Subramanya Bharati, India’s oldest living
language has produced a string of stylish poets and novelists.

Why would you want India's oldest living language to replaced by Hindi?

Would you agree that both Hindi and Tamil would eventually be replaced by English?

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Post by Rishi Sat Apr 27, 2013 11:56 pm

truthbetold wrote:Rishi,
Are you suggesting tamil produced stylish poets and novelists only in the last 100.plus years only?

Has english replaced tamil? The issue was about hindi replacing english as the primary official communication tool.

I just quoted what the writer Arvind Adiga wrote in the recent edition of the outlook magazine. The keywords are "conservative" , "oldest" and "stylish".

Read what he said. I have copied and pasted below.

Chennai, thought of as a conservative city, is a bold one in matters of
literature.
From the time of Subramanya Bharati, India’s South Asia's oldest living
language has produced a string of stylish poets and novelists.

Sanskrit is also old like Tamil. But it has not adapted to modern literature in ways Tamil has .




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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:00 am

Rashmun wrote:
Rishi wrote:Chennai, thought of as a conservative city, is a bold one in matters of
literature. From the time of Subramanya Bharati, India’s oldest living
language has produced a string of stylish poets and novelists.

Why would you want India's oldest living language to replaced by Hindi?

Would you agree that both Hindi and Tamil would eventually be replaced by English?

nobody can predict stuff like that. neither hindi nor tamil are on the UN's list of endangered languages. there is no danger of either disappearing in our lifetime, although english will gain increasing prominence in india. meanwhile redirect your strenuous advocacy in favor of hindi into other more deserving causes.
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Post by Kayalvizhi Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:03 am

Tamil will die in about 150 years as a "useful" language unless Tamils have a country. Hindi will live unless Chinese or some other occupy Hindi lands.

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Post by Guest Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:05 am

Kayalvizhi wrote:Tamil will die in about 150 years as a "useful" language until Tamils have a country. Hindi will live unless Chinese or some other occupy Hindi lands.

Eventually both Hindi and Tamil will die.

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Post by Guest Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:06 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Rishi wrote:Chennai, thought of as a conservative city, is a bold one in matters of
literature. From the time of Subramanya Bharati, India’s oldest living
language has produced a string of stylish poets and novelists.

Why would you want India's oldest living language to replaced by Hindi?

Would you agree that both Hindi and Tamil would eventually be replaced by English?

nobody can predict stuff like that. neither hindi nor tamil are on the UN's list of endangered languages. there is no danger of either disappearing in our lifetime, although english will gain increasing prominence in india. meanwhile redirect your strenuous advocacy in favor of hindi into other more deserving causes.

Not in our lifetime but maybe in a few hundred years.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:07 am

whatever.
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Post by Guest Sun Apr 28, 2013 12:33 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:whatever.

I was informed of a futuristic television series about a time when even Mandarin has become extinct. But the English the people speak and communicate with has some mandarin words ingrained into it. When Hindi becomes extinct it will still continue to live in a way because English would have absorbed many hindi words into it. The process for this has already started. For example words like pundit, guru, chutney, etc. I am unsure about the extent of tamil loan words to English now and in the English of the future.

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Post by goodcitizn Sun Apr 28, 2013 6:06 am

Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:whatever.

I was informed of a futuristic television series about a time when even Mandarin has become extinct. But the English the people speak and communicate with has some mandarin words ingrained into it. When Hindi becomes extinct it will still continue to live in a way because English would have absorbed many hindi words into it. The process for this has already started. For example words like pundit, guru, chutney, etc. I am unsure about the extent of tamil loan words to English now and in the English of the future.

Pundit and guru are Sanskrit words. Chutney is also a Tamil word. Some examples of Tamil words absorbed into the English language are Pariah (for Paraiyan), Catamaran (for Kattamaram) and Milgutani soup (for MiLagu thaNNi soup).

Unlike you, I don't believe Tamil would become extinct. "Ariyam pOl ulagavazhak kazhindhozhindhu sidhaya un seerizhamai thiram viyandhu seyal marandhu vaazhthudhume". Meaning in short ... unlike Sanskrit, it won't die.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:40 am

it's hard to get exercised about an event that may or may not happen at some unknown time in the distant future. i am a little worried about the sun running out of fuel, undergoing gravitational collapse, and becoming supernova too, but only a little.
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Post by Seva Lamberdar Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:49 am

[quote="Rishi"]Chennai, thought of as a conservative city, is a bold one in matters of
literature. From the time of Subramanya Bharati, India’s oldest living
language has produced a string of stylish poets and novelists.

Why would you want India's oldest living language to replaced by Hindi?[/quote]

It's like throwing out or putting aside the ancient clay pots and pans and replace them with the latest cutlery, china and utensils.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:51 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
It's like throwing out or putting aside the ancient clay pots and pans and replace them with the latest cutlery, china and utensils.

it is sad to see you call sanskrit an ancient clay pot.
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Post by Seva Lamberdar Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:42 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
It's like throwing out or putting aside the ancient clay pots and pans and replace them with the latest cutlery, china and utensils.

it is sad to see you call sanskrit an ancient clay pot.

It was a general statement (about replacing the obsolete with the modern) and not meant specifically to any particular ancient language, custom or law.
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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:50 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
It's like throwing out or putting aside the ancient clay pots and pans and replace them with the latest cutlery, china and utensils.

it is sad to see you call sanskrit an ancient clay pot.

It was a general statement (about replacing the obsolete with the modern) and not meant specifically to any particular ancient language, custom or law.

i took it to mean ancient languages now defunct like sanskrit, latin, avestan etc.
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Post by Maria S Sun Apr 28, 2013 8:52 am

Since predicting is just that, I will easily predict that Tamil will never become extinct!

There will be some transformations-changes, inclusions (words from other languages- as there are now mixes in all languages)..esp. in every day usage..but it will never become extinct!
*It is a different world when I come to this site (on almost all topics!) but from everything I see in other sites..it's really a time of renaissance- when it comes to tamil flourishing..even the most educated tamilians who can speak many languages "making the choice"- to write creatively only in tamil..and esp. younger amateur writers flooding facebook..where they can gain global attention..the Vijayabhaskars who write short stories, the Mani Bharathis who are writing original tamil stage plays..am so encouraged and moved..can hardly even comment..they are so excellent! *They don't put down any other language..they just focus and draw attention with their works!
Just found this link posted in Fb today..seems interesting with diversity:

http://azhiyasudargal.blogspot.com/search?updated-min=2013-01-01T00:00:00%2B05:30&updated-max=2014-01-01T00:00:00%2B05:30&max-results=21


*I have seen the predictions galore..esp. those who predict the demise and extinction of languages, religions..even the inst of marriage! But, many of them are so wrong, imo.

As for tamil..like gold..the value may go up and down..but, it's not disappearing until this earth does:)
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