Maria S wrote:--> --> Thanks for the info Carvaka--> -->

--> --> I know that there are a few that may miss me/a few others here (it's not like we are part of the Titanic and you want to save me/us! (don't worry...will jump ship- and have all the all my life boats ready for backup if the CH permanently goes down/shuts down)--> --> but, I am intrigued/amused..by all the continuous promotion --> -->

--> --> Speaking for myself...the CH is no longer the source of info about India/or anything interesting for me anymore..Fb is far better...--> --> I can interact with the people making news directly..or connect with someone who knows them--> -->

--> --> I also prefer to be part of ONLY moderated forums with strict guidelines- where I know someone can be held responsible for it's participants..--> --> You may ask me- why am I here (Obviously Sulekha does not keep their contracts with members to protect them)---> --> but they are still a Company- which can be held legally liable..frankly, having been crisis management and very tough competiitve environments---> --> NOW- I am curious to see the end of this crisis...--> -->

--> --> I also know NOTHING stays the same in life..anywhere..and I like new beginnings and experimentation(ready to embrace them- so hope no one sees me as being here for Muthukumarr, new friend Pincer, Roop etc, etc!) --> --> so, good luck!--> --> If you have 30 members, that's something (kudos!)..

*--> --> So..as events unfold..will be watching...we'll see..--> -->

muchocricket wrote:What's so amusing? I guess they want to ensure that even the occassional/infrequent posters are also aware of this change.

Maria S wrote:*I find the dynamics- sudden exodus and someone trying to sabatoge the threads/posts of those who decided to post here...irrtating and Yes, amusing...Am I not allowed to used the word "amusing?" Why are you taking in such a serious manner? (well- you can take it any way to want to..just like I look at it as amusing/irritating!). Nothing wrong is someone getting sick and tired of drinking Coke and want to try Pepsi..but, do you have to break every Coke bottle in sight on your way out? *If you think that is bad analogy...and not a bit amusing..well, it's your choice! M

carvaka wrote:The formatting got all screwed up on my reply, so posting here.

> sudden exodus and someone trying to sabatoge the threads/posts of those who decided to post here...irrtating

Irritation at the sabotage was the CAUSE of the exodus. You seem to be confusing "those who left" for "those sabotaged this forum." I have better things to do in life than sabotage a forum I love.

> do you have to break every Coke bottle in sight on your way out

So you think those who are promoting the new forums are sabotaging the existing forum? I can't believe this.

Those who left left in disgust at all the thread-killing. They are not the ones who were killing threads. It is one thing if someone like QB accuses "those who left" of the sabotage. I didn't expect you to do the same.

I don't intend to post here except to let any occasional posters who pass by CH once in a few months know that there is an alternative forum. That is unless Sulekha fixes this forum and removes the thread-killing bug. I don't want to post messages in sports forums and use --> --> thingies just to make sure my post remains; I'd rather take my time and effort elsewhere where I don't have to worry about my comments being expunged by psychotic freaks who have taken control of this place and drowned out sane voices like yours.

If you find my daily post promoting the new forum irritating, please ignore it like we all used to ignore the Sulekha News and Cegonsoft posts that this forum is full of.

-sandilya. wrote:When I joined Sulekha several years ago, I wanted to maintain my privacy and Satya kept his word. I knew that Sulekha was a business and Satya was upfront from the beginning (he was not fooling the participants that the CH was just a freebie discussion forum. He successfully used the CH as a foundation for his business. I am happy for him as he has done well. I wonder who is responsible for creating problems for Satya's CH! Someone with a competing business interest? Hopefully not someone who criticizes Sai Baba and others who built billion $ Trusts :-).

Uppili wrote:I dont think anyone is likely to make millions. at best, they might relearn some webhosting skills... no biggie. Even high school kids can do that. It is the idea that matters behind a website. If anything it shows the invisible attachment among the CHers that has made them resort to action and implement a quick makeshift forum. I used to be on a forum long back and there was similar comaraddarie - but the people came from all walks of life and status (including a couple of prostitutes from Trivandrum). When the Chat went down, the group split up.and someone even started another chat site on a free forum. But it died. This 30+ group has a few common things. Pretty close in age, most in US, and most middleclass and educated. It could grow just like CH and people might go in/out, but not likely to make any money (like Another subcontinent never made much money).

Maria S wrote:Hello Sandilya, While I find the "conspiracy charge" interesting (I guess..I can't use amusing(!)... On a serious note..don't think that this is a "business conspiracy"...(and I think you used humor..and did not mean it seriously!) I wish those who started the forums well..if they make money great! But, I hope no one is condescending to those of us who decided to stay (at least for now). M

muchocricket wrote:Sandilya, I don't think any of the CHers are blaming Satya nor finding faults in him for current state of affairs rather suggesting that fellow CHers are the reason for the exodus. You need to give it to the CHers for putting up with years and years of torture, for crying out loud, CH has become a test bed to Sulekha coders (all those nonsense of posts early in the morning by sarathbabu et al.) and they put up with Sulekha's self-induced/organized spamming under the name of sulekha news covering a day or week old news. You may have your loyalties to CH nothing wrong with that but blaming others or accusing them of business interests is not correct IMO. Actually I'll be very happy for Carvaka if he really makes big money off of this venture.

Uppili wrote:Both the sites they are trying out are freebie sites - just like any email sites. The only one who was offering and trying to promote a paid site is Desichatter AKA harharmahadev. I think already most have decided against it for different reasons - including the privacy issues. Most posting in that site are against moderation and least interferance. Bcz, Maria may not like aggressive, blunt, non-diplomatic, abusive posts. Then some other moderator may not even like certain issues - remember the days when CH had moderators who whacked posts for questionable reasons? The single most important reason is anyone able and willing to kill posts/threads at will or anything they don't like. For Ex...Carvaka himself can easily kill this thread or Sandilya's thread.

Maria S wrote:Yes...what one person you call as aggressive, blunt and non-diplomatic posts may be seen by others as insensitive, uncivil mean spirited, unnecessary negative personal assumptions by others. I have been a moderator- in real life and virtual forms..and unless there is sensitivity on a personal level...it only creates more "gaps/distances" among the participants and it's a waste of time...everyone is back to square one- does not give in an inch..days, weeks, months and years of discussion..is a total waste. But, to each her/his own.. M

Uppili wrote:-->> Well... whatever you cited is subjective and definitions and explanations for those terms differ. what is acceptable for one may not be for another. the whole idea behind CH success is its relative freedom and privacy. If there is a moderator - naturally people have to be on guard and almost treat the forums as sort of business meetings. certainly posts by many men - including that of myself - will be deleted for various reasons. posts by women will not be affected - except of course the ever foul-mouthed QB The very fact that you are forced disucss this in the newshopper in itself is a restriction in your freedom. Indira said loss of freedom is a little cost that the nation has to pay for discipline - and many here know how things ended.

Maria S wrote:-->> I am not sure if so called "freedom" in the CH is the entire reason for so called success of the CH! I think it was founded at a time when it was a "one-stop" for current news/happenings in India (at least I came by knowing I would get all the news about India right away)...nowadays..that has changed..there are so many sites one can get all the news about India..even the cricket min by min commentaries..were going on in many sites..including Facebook...where people were posting instant pics with commentaries..*I think there were unique personalities here..perhaps hard to find in other places..will agree with that part:) *Well..it's a new day here..nothing will ever be the same here again.. Frankly-I don't look at it as any kind of loss of freedom to post in any thread..really, does not bother me.. M

Maria S wrote:*-->Kindly refrain from making assumptions - about "my confusion"..I don't claim to read your mind/motivations. *--> Of course..I am NOT saying that you/others who are creating/promoting your forums...are responsible for the sabotage. *--> However it does not take a genius to see a "strange coincidence" between 80-90% *close to it) of people leaving a place in a hurry..and the rest of the ones who stayed being bombarded with destruction of their posts. *--> I've always thought of you as someone- who has been polite towards me. I can't see you destroying my posts/threads (technically owned by Sulekha of course). M &

carvaka wrote:Again the formatting got screwed up. I can't deal with the technical irritations of this forum any more, so I won't post here any more except to promote the new forums. Here is my last response here. I have copied all the contents to another thread in the new forum, if you are interested in continuing the conversation. If you are not, that is totally fine too.

> I am NOT saying that you/others who are creating/promoting your forums...are responsible for the sabotage.

In that case, your analogy of breaking every Coke bottle on the way out is completely misplaced. You are acknowledging now that it is NOT the people who are promoting Pepsi that are responsible for the sabotage that is happening to Coke. So if you have a battle to pick, it is with the saboteurs, not with the promoters of Coke. I wish you luck in that battle; if CH is fixed, I will be back myself.

> However it does not take a genius to see a "strange coincidence" between 80-90% *close to it) of people leaving a place in a hurry..and the rest of the ones who stayed being bombarded with destruction of their posts.

One more time... the destruction of posts began BEFORE the exodus. Go back in the CH archives to Thursday and you will see it. We got really frustrated with the destruction that had been going on for 3-4 days. The last straw for me was when a thread by Pranay about ancient Indian kingdoms got destroyed although he has no enemies here, and the content of the thread had nothing controversial. What you are seeing as a "strange coincidence" is because you are not seeing the causality in reverse to what you are imagining it is.

carvaka wrote:Carvaka> I have copied all the contents to another thread in the new forum, if you are interested in continuing the conversation. If you are not, that is totally fine too.

This is the link to the new thread I referenced in part two. https://such.forumotion.com/t129-breaking-every-coke-bottle-on-the-way-out#847. Like I said, if you are interested in talking, will be happy to talk on that forum where we don't need to worry about people killing our conversation. If not, I hope to talk to you again in better times.

Huzefa-bhai wrote:[Ocean Breeze] you are invited to join the following new coffeehouse. more that 30 members have registered there.

HoochSeeker wrote:U must be devoid of shame to invite me there. Thanks, but do people need invitation to leave CH? Of all the people, you should know that I am TS. A free soul...Tum logon ki CH tum jaise logon ko hi mubaaraq. Leave me, and Seva alone. TIA

Maria S wrote:*For the tenth time...I wish you all well...and I still find the coincidence strange..but, if you can speak for all those who moved and say no one had anything to do with it..and the person (s) who are creating all this mayhem..is someone here who wants to see the Sulekha CH work/be functional..that would be strange (I accept it)

blabberwock wrote:When will Muthukumar join this forum? Hopefully soon?

blabberwock wrote:When will Muthukumar join this forum? Hopefully soon?

artood2 wrote:Kapasi, just invite the folks. Those who miss CH will come. Maria's allegation of scorCHed earth are unfounded but stop asking her. Just my 2 cents

artood2 wrote:Kapasi, just invite the folks. Those who miss CH will come. Maria's allegation of scorCHed earth are unfounded but stop asking her. Just my 2 cents

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Huzefa-bhai wrote:[Ocean Breeze] you are invited to join the following new coffeehouse. more that 30 members have registered there.

HoochSeeker wrote:U must be devoid of shame to invite me there. Thanks, but do people need invitation to leave CH? Of all the people, you should know that I am TS. A free soul...Tum logon ki CH tum jaise logon ko hi mubaaraq. Leave me, and Seva alone. TIA

Maria S wrote:Mr. Lal,

Nice to see you too. And thanks a lot for coming over and for this nice whipping...well, I am feeling so euphoric about this Osama stuff..can't sleep...even that whipping can't bring my spirits down!

Can I assume that is was meant to be "we really DON'T give a damn" if join or not- thanks a lot for that too. I've said what I thought..Carvaka vigorously thinks I am off base...so, it's two opinions..that's it. Nothing more to it.

*My repeated insistence is about not joining is "for now". Yes - I don't do stuff because everyone does it..and I did not see any reason to rush out. Not sure- what's puzzling about it..but, if it is - so be it (there is no hidden agenda).

Anyways...I have to somehow get some sleep.,,so will watch a little more TV coverage and call it..well, it's am already.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:*below was maria's response to my post above in that mangled CH thread*

Maria S wrote:Mr. Lal,

Nice to see you too. And thanks a lot for coming over and for this nice whipping...well, I am feeling so euphoric about this Osama stuff..can't sleep...even that whipping can't bring my spirits down!

Can I assume that is was meant to be "we really DON'T give a damn" if join or not- thanks a lot for that too. I've said what I thought..Carvaka vigorously thinks I am off base...so, it's two opinions..that's it. Nothing more to it.

*My repeated insistence is about not joining is "for now". Yes - I don't do stuff because everyone does it..and I did not see any reason to rush out. Not sure- what's puzzling about it..but, if it is - so be it (there is no hidden agenda).

Anyways...I have to somehow get some sleep.,,so will watch a little more TV coverage and call it..well, it's am already.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

blabberwock wrote:When will Muthukumar join this forum? Hopefully soon?

As it is, you enjoy a zero reputation on this forum (like me). With this deathwish, you'll end up with a reputational deficit.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:this post was originally written by me, MaxEntropy_Man no matter who the author appears to be in future.

i had decided that i will not post here henceforth because of sulekha's inattention to CH. however, since the motives of the people who decided to move to the other forums is being questioned here i decided to speak up.

my move followed the hijacking and destruction of threads and sulekha's self spamming of the CH making it utterly impossible to follow any discussion. it is my opinion that neither carvaka nor some profile have any ulterior motive to compete with satya prabhakar. i think they have full time day jobs that they're happy with. for whatever reason which he has not stated explicitly here, satya has decided to abandon the CH. i decided that it is time for me to do so as well.

blabberwock wrote:Oddly, this reputation thing was one of the main reasons that caused issues at the other forum. I found that the administrator had the power to see who was doing the "plus" and minus" for himself (and others) and was constantly monitoring that. Also, since he could see the IP addresses, he used to know everything that everyone else was doing. It soon lead to a lot of issues and the admin and I turned adversaries. I felt very uncomfortable staying on that forum after that and left.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Maria S wrote: Yes- I don't do stuff because everyone does it..and I did not see any reason to rush out. Not sure- what's puzzling about it..

it is not just puzzling but whacked. it is not mysterious but dense, indecipherable, heiroglyphics. it was fragrant till you kept saying no no no no to come come come. then you started whispering to bots and spammers and singing lullabies to yourself eweRRYday. now you are insinuating that "we" are sabotaging this site. had you not morphed into this cantakerous, indecipherable character, i would not have thought of your no nos as puzzling. hope i'm clearer now.

Maria S wrote:

What's the problem Mr. Lal?

Give me a break...I said that the coincidence was strange in one thread directly to Carvaka and am done with it. I am not insinuating anything, anywhere, any more.

Looks like even dear U is bitten by the bug..and is wiping out the threads!

You have already said that you don't give a damn if I come over or not (which is fine!)
*Where did all the love go so soon?! (Ok, that is a light hearted remark)...don't you come after me for that!

M

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Maria S wrote: I am not insinuating anything, anywhere, any more.

in that case it is fine.

Maria S wrote:Looks like even dear U is bitten by the bug..and is wiping out the threads!

uppili? or me?

Maria S wrote:Where did all the love go so soon?!

love has nothing to do with this. we are having an argument. after the argument is over, we will understand each other better. if the love was
strong, it will withstand the jolt. the exception is if you are having an argument with a spouse. in those cases, the outcome of the arguments
can never effect your undying love.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Maria S wrote:Looks like even dear U is bitten by the bug..and is wiping out the threads!

uppili? or me?

charvaka wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Maria S wrote:Looks like even dear U is bitten by the bug..and is wiping out the threads!

uppili? or me?

Wow. Uppili is now accused of the thread-killing / sabotage? EOD is best in the circumstances.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Of course, he will ask people to refer to the Uppilianica for his actions.

Hellsangel wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Of course, he will ask people to refer to the Uppilianica for his actions.

Uppili should stop referring to himself in the 3rd person.