charukesi

by Impedimenta Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:23 pm

three amazing compositions in this raagam..could close my eyes and get lost.....but..

and classic illayaraja...

by charvaka Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:28 pm

That's some nice footage of Venice.

by Guest Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:38 pm

charvaka wrote:That's some nice footage of Venice.

The man is wearing a rather interesting shirt - a lengha converted to a shirt perhaps?

by .|Sublime|. Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:41 pm

in the venice song, is she supposed to be 18 and the gult actor (forgot his name - didnt know he acted in tamil as well) 20? nice!

by charvaka Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:42 pm

blabberwock wrote:
charvaka wrote:That's some nice footage of Venice.

The man is wearing a rather interesting shirt - a lengha converted to a shirt perhaps?

I thought "weird" when I saw that... but you described it a lot better than I would have!

by .|Sublime|. Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:42 pm

blabberwock wrote:
charvaka wrote:That's some nice footage of Venice.

The man is wearing a rather interesting shirt - a lengha converted to a shirt perhaps?

LOL. dont call it a shirt. it is a men's kurti i believe.

by charvaka Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:47 pm

.|Sublime|. wrote:
blabberwock wrote:
charvaka wrote:That's some nice footage of Venice.

The man is wearing a rather interesting shirt - a lengha converted to a shirt perhaps?

LOL. dont call it a shirt. it is a men's kurti i believe.

There seems to be a significant amount of rhinestone studding going on in the said shirt / convertible lengha / kurti. My ingratiation sensor is on high alert.

by Guest Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:47 pm

.|Sublime|. wrote:
blabberwock wrote:
charvaka wrote:That's some nice footage of Venice.

The man is wearing a rather interesting shirt - a lengha converted to a shirt perhaps?

LOL. dont call it a shirt. it is a men's kurti i believe.

I am out of touch - men wear kurti these days? rhinestone encrusted sandals too?

He soon switched into a green coat that must be made from a pattu pavadai (silk skirt that lil girls wear), followed by a Dracula like cloak.

by Rekz Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:49 pm

Madhavi in this song looks like a distant cousin of Bipasha Basu... lovely song

by .|Sublime|. Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:54 pm

charvaka wrote:There seems to be a significant amount of rhinestone studding going on in the said shirt / convertible lengha / kurti. My ingratiation sensor is on high alert.

some SI points for open shirt and gold chains but not enough to tip the scale.

by .|Sublime|. Mon Jun 13, 2011 11:56 pm

blabberwock wrote:I am out of touch - men wear kurti these days? rhinestone encrusted sandals too?

He soon switched into a green coat that must be made from a pattu pavadai (silk skirt that lil girls wear), followed by a Dracula like cloak.

didnt notice the sandals. but hey impy wants all of us to focus on charukesi - not on his wardrobe!
(besides the point that i thought charukesi = impy's pet name for charvaka)

by charvaka Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:02 am

.|Sublime|. wrote:besides the point that i thought charukesi = impy's pet name for charvaka

And I guess charu / caru is a balding version of charukesi.

by Guest Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:10 am

.|Sublime|. wrote:
blabberwock wrote:I am out of touch - men wear kurti these days? rhinestone encrusted sandals too?

He soon switched into a green coat that must be made from a pattu pavadai (silk skirt that lil girls wear), followed by a Dracula like cloak.

didnt notice the sandals. but hey impy wants all of us to focus on charukesi - not on his wardrobe!
(besides the point that i thought charukesi = impy's pet name for charvaka)

Ah, the song, the raagam yes, yes.

Hard to focus on charukesi with all these more interesting distractions - never mind that I wouldn't know charukesi if it hit me in the face.

"etho etho nenjil nuzhaikirathu blah blah blah". Way too cutesy/mushy/screechy - Rejected.

*getting prepared to face Impy's wrath*

by .|Sublime|. Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:10 am

charvaka wrote:
.|Sublime|. wrote:besides the point that i thought charukesi = impy's pet name for charvaka

And I guess charu / caru is a balding version of charukesi.

haha sure why not as long as you are the one inferring Very Happy

by Guest Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:17 am

The first song "Udhaya, Udhaya" has the dude performing some strange dance steps. Looks to be in great pain.

by charvaka Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:22 am

blabberwock wrote:The first song "Udhaya, Udhaya" has the dude performing some strange dance steps. Looks to be in great pain.

You should do reviews of desi movies. You have a way of cyclops

ing desi movies. I usually go Shocked

in such circumstances.

by Nila Tue Jun 14, 2011 12:27 am

[quote="Impedimenta"]three amazing compositions in this raagam..could close my eyes and get lost.....but..

Okay....Okay....Okay.

Sleep

by Impedimenta Tue Jun 14, 2011 8:02 am

two akkas, one thambi or anna and one extra fitting,

don't make me go "garland in the hand of monkey[s]" type statements, first thing in the morning:-) focus please.

BTW, do you all know your "self" lately? don't make me unleash cyclops

on you

by SomeProfile Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:21 am

lol @ extra-fitting. Been awhile since I heard that slang.

Do Indians really like these kinds of song picturizations? Blatant item songs do bring in ticket buying audiences. I am excusing those. But I feel these type of B-grade picturizations of A-grade music and beautiful actresses is a HUGE waste. Often the exaggerated expressions and movements of the actresses takes away from the true sexuality they are capable of expressing. This is literally the Indian version of bad professional porn where the obvious exaggerated expressions of the actors makes it look more funny and pathetic than sexy and arousing.

I bet I could remake the same songs with the same actresses, without any exaggerated expressions and abrupt dance movements, to bring out the true sensuous expressions of the artists and have every single person in the audience get a little warmer with excitement.

by Impedimenta Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:36 am

SomeProfile wrote:lol @ extra-fitting. Been awhile since I heard that slang.

Do Indians really like these kinds of song picturizations? Blatant item songs do bring in ticket buying audiences. I am excusing those. But I feel these type of B-grade picturizations of A-grade music and beautiful actresses is a HUGE waste. Often the exaggerated expressions and movements of the actresses takes away from the true sexuality they are capable of expressing. This is literally the Indian version of bad professional porn where the obvious exaggerated expressions of the actors makes it look more funny and pathetic than sexy and arousing.

I bet I could remake the same songs with the same actresses, without any exaggerated expressions and abrupt dance movements, to bring out the true sensuous expressions of the artists and have every single person in the audience get a little warmer with excitement.

but but but sir, what happens to these actresses AFTER...that is the more important question. no?

by doofus_maximus Tue Jun 14, 2011 11:42 am

SomeProfile wrote: But I feel these type of B-grade picturizations of A-grade music and beautiful actresses is a HUGE waste.

This has been an age old problem in Indian movie songs. There are numerous songs where the composition, instrumentation, singing and lyrics were ahead of their time, but when you finally see the picturization it sucks beyond words. Only lately, there has been some improvements.

Best example of beautiful picturization AFAIK is the song from Alai Payuthey *pachai nirame*.

by Guest Tue Jun 14, 2011 7:56 pm

Impedimenta wrote:two akkas, one thambi or anna and one extra fitting,

don't make me go "garland in the hand of monkey[s]" type statements, first thing in the morning:-) focus please.

BTW, do you all know your "self" lately? don't make me unleash on you

All I have to say is that I find this virtual akka/behna/anna-ing very disturbing. TS wouldn't approve of it as well.

I will focus if you post a proper charukesi carnatic piece - all these unbearably mushy songs involving men wearing dresses and necklaces, bawling "uyireeeeee" takes away the focus.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jun 14, 2011 9:56 pm

b.wock: you underestimate the power of cinema music to creatively explore carnatic music ideas. i too don't usually like the picturization, but tune off and just listen to the music.

anyway if you want a classical piece in c.keshi my favorite is lalgudi jayaraman's varNam. the most lilting vocal version i've heard was at a house concert by saketa raman a young and upcoming musician.

youtube doesn't have too many good versions, but this one is adequate:

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:11 pm

and here is the same piece by the master himself.

it brings up a list. it's the first in the list.

by Impedimenta Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:20 pm

blabberwock wrote:
Impedimenta wrote:two akkas, one thambi or anna and one extra fitting,

don't make me go "garland in the hand of monkey[s]" type statements, first thing in the morning:-) focus please.

BTW, do you all know your "self" lately? don't make me unleash on you

All I have to say is that I find this virtual akka/behna/anna-ing very disturbing. TS wouldn't approve of it as well.

I will focus if you post a proper charukesi carnatic piece - all these unbearably mushy songs involving men wearing dresses and necklaces, bawling "uyireeeeee" takes away the focus.

i usually post a carnatic piece but for some reason did not this one time...

apart from what max posted, i like this one...

by Impedimenta Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:30 pm

blabberwock wrote:
Impedimenta wrote:two akkas, one thambi or anna and one extra fitting,

don't make me go "garland in the hand of monkey[s]" type statements, first thing in the morning:-) focus please.

BTW, do you all know your "self" lately? don't make me unleash on you

All I have to say is that I find this virtual akka/behna/anna-ing very disturbing. TS wouldn't approve of it as well.

I will focus if you post a proper charukesi carnatic piece - all these unbearably mushy songs involving men wearing dresses and necklaces, bawling "uyireeeeee" takes away the focus.

oh, some of us are able to set aside the unbearable mushiness and enjoy the song because it is a beautiful composition so wonderfully set in charukesi. its not always about you. one cannot but appreciate the genius of the music director in incorporating a carnatic music raagam into a cine song....

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:30 pm

opening lines of the varNam i posted:

இன்னும் என் மனம் அறியாதது போல இருந்திடல் ஞாயமா?
முன்னம் பயின்றதோ இந்நாடகமெல்லாம்? மன்னா கமலக்கண்ணா, மணிவண்ணா

by Impedimenta Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:33 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:opening lines of the varNam i posted:

இன்னும் என் மனம் அறியாதது போல இருந்திடல் ஞாயமா?
முன்னம் பயின்றதோ இந்நாடகமெல்லாம்? மன்னா கமலக்கண்ணா, மணிவண்ணா

wow! more of the man himself....

by Guest Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:35 pm

Thanks, Max and Impy. I will listen to these soon.

I know that there are several movie songs (hindi and tamil) based on classical ragas/concepts but it takes a lot of effort for me to look beyond the lyrics and the high pitched laments on love, sacrifice and other such sentiments and appreciate just the music. I can switch off the video but can't get past the cheesy lines easily. Also, I am not knowledgeable enough to identify ragas and so this aspect is largely lost on me.

That said, I must say that I prefer listening to things in their pure form - if I want to listen to Charukesi, I would rather listen to the real deal.

Lastly, it is very hard to resist making fun of Tamil/Hindi movies and their unbearable melodrama and cheesiness.

by Guest Tue Jun 14, 2011 10:39 pm

Impedimenta wrote:

oh, some of us are able to set aside the unbearable mushiness and enjoy the song because it is a beautiful composition so wonderfully set in charukesi. its not always about you. one cannot but appreciate the genius of the music director in incorporating a carnatic music raagam into a cine song....

Of course it is not but I can only speak for myself and say what will help me focus.

by Guest Wed Jun 15, 2011 5:23 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:and here is the same piece by the master himself.

it brings up a list. it's the first in the list.

Very nice.

I looked up other compositions in Charukesi and found a piece that I am very familiar with from my childhood days (#1 in the list)

Kripaya Palaya

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