Suggest names for the proposed 3 news states of Andhra:

Coastal Andhra:

Rayalaseema:

Telengana:

have many many suggestions but one set of names can be : Cyclone Andhra/waterless Andhra/Nizamistan

Andhra Satavahana with Amaravati as the capital (Indo's idea).

Rayalaseema with Kurnool (renamed as Krishnadevarayapuram) as the capital.

Kakatiya Telangana with Warangal as the capital (keeping Hyd as a major city/industrial hub in KT).

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Andhra Satavahana with Amaravati as the capital (Indo's idea).

Rayalaseema with Kurnool (renamed as Krishnadevarayapuram) as the capital.

Kakatiya Telangana with Warangal as the capital (keeping Hyd as a major city/industrial hub in KT).

"Kakatiya Telangana" could be a problem. The Jagdalpur (Chattisgarh) king claims descent from Kakatiyas. In fact, one of his non-approbatory titles is "Kakatiya Vamsaja." Culturally Jagdalpur is closer to coastal Andhra than to Telangana.
Even the Telangana name or Nizam-e-Stan could be a problem; Telangana, because none of the 3 famous Shiva temples (which give the name to the language Telugu and the country Trilinga desa), Kalahasti, Srisailam, and Draksharam will be in the new Telangana state. A better name could be Minar-e-Mulk (Land of the Pillars -- Charminar, 1000-pillar temple in Warangal, etc. That will also protect the "Mulki" name for categorizing locals, or separate out the "outsiders."

indophile wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Andhra Satavahana with Amaravati as the capital (Indo's idea).

Rayalaseema with Kurnool (renamed as Krishnadevarayapuram) as the capital.

Kakatiya Telangana with Warangal as the capital (keeping Hyd as a major city/industrial hub in KT).

"Kakatiya Telangana" could be a problem. The Jagdalpur (Chattisgarh) king claims descent from Kakatiyas. In fact, one of his non-approbatory titles is "Kakatiya Vamsaja." Culturally Jagdalpur is closer to coastal Andhra than to Telangana.
Even the Telangana name or Nizam-e-Stan could be a problem; Telangana, because none of the 3 famous Shiva temples (which give the name to the language Telugu and the country Trilinga desa), Kalahasti, Srisailam, and Draksharam will be in the new Telangana state. A better name could be Minar-e-Mulk (Land of the Pillars -- Charminar, 1000-pillar temple in Warangal, etc. That will also protect the "Mulki" name for categorizing locals, or separate out the "outsiders."      

When Kakatiya kingdom disintegrated, Nayakas from the kingdom established their own fiefdoms. The so called Nayakars in TN probably come from the Kakatiya kingdom (just as the king in Jadgalpur). If people of Jadgalpur are close to the coastal culture, that is because of the links that Kakatiyas had with the coastal area.  Rudramadevi married a coastal prince (Veerabhadra was from Krishna district). Unlike Carvaka, I think people of Warangal (and Khammam) spoke like their coastal counterparts until monomaniacs came and injected some Turaka into their heads. Sri Sailam is in Kurnool. Kalahasti is in Chittor. So, if the state is divived into three T, A and R, A will lose Tirupati, Kalahasti and Sri Sailam. Draksharamam is not a major temple in A. If Kurnool goes to T, Sri Sailam is still lost. Incidentally, the patrons of Sri Sailam were Reddy Kings. Shivaji also protected the temple from monomaniacs.

Apparently, when Kiran Kumar Reddy heard about Kurnool and Anantapur going to T, he was very upset. When he asked MT, she apparently was upset with him. Then he resigned his CM-ship. If she wants to create T, that is one thing. To split R into two and destroy its cultural identity just because T politicians want to separate, how is that fair to R? Apparently, CONs are voicing this RT idea to turn BJP against the idea and stall parliament when the bill is introduced. Still, this whole thing undermines the people in A and R.

Vp,
People of khammam speak probably the purest Telugu. Telugu literature experts from khammam to kodada(nalgonda) claim they have the purest form of Telugu with the least accent.
Kakatiya nayaks, after the disintegration of kakatiya dynasty, consolidated in coastal andhra districts and moved to northern parts(probably to jagdalpur).
Tn nayakars were mostly sent there during vijayanagara dynasty.
madhura vijayam by maddibotla details one of those stories.

Rayala t and ploy to push bjp to block parliament all seem to be too bizzare. Why would kiran resign if Cong is playing games?

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

indophile wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Andhra Satavahana with Amaravati as the capital (Indo's idea).

Rayalaseema with Kurnool (renamed as Krishnadevarayapuram) as the capital.

Kakatiya Telangana with Warangal as the capital (keeping Hyd as a major city/industrial hub in KT).

"Kakatiya Telangana" could be a problem. The Jagdalpur (Chattisgarh) king claims descent from Kakatiyas. In fact, one of his non-approbatory titles is "Kakatiya Vamsaja." Culturally Jagdalpur is closer to coastal Andhra than to Telangana.
Even the Telangana name or Nizam-e-Stan could be a problem; Telangana, because none of the 3 famous Shiva temples (which give the name to the language Telugu and the country Trilinga desa), Kalahasti, Srisailam, and Draksharam will be in the new Telangana state. A better name could be Minar-e-Mulk (Land of the Pillars -- Charminar, 1000-pillar temple in Warangal, etc. That will also protect the "Mulki" name for categorizing locals, or separate out the "outsiders."      

When Kakatiya kingdom disintegrated, Nayakas from the kingdom established their own fiefdoms. The so called Nayakars in TN probably come from the Kakatiya kingdom (just as the king in Jadgalpur). If people of Jadgalpur are close to the coastal culture, that is because of the links that Kakatiyas had with the coastal area.  Rudramadevi married a coastal prince (Veerabhadra was from Krishna district). Unlike Carvaka, I think people of Warangal (and Khammam) spoke like their coastal counterparts until monomaniacs came and injected some Turaka into their heads. Sri Sailam is in Kurnool. Kalahasti is in Chittor. So, if the state is divived into three T, A and R, A will lose Tirupati, Kalahasti and Sri Sailam. Draksharamam is not a major temple in A. If Kurnool goes to T, Sri Sailam is still lost. Incidentally, the patrons of Sri Sailam were Reddy Kings. Shivaji also protected the temple from monomaniacs.

Apparently, when Kiran Kumar Reddy heard about Kurnool and Anantapur going to T, he was very upset. When he asked MT, she apparently was upset with him. Then he resigned his CM-ship. If she wants to create T, that is one thing. To split R into two and destroy its cultural identity just because T politicians want to separate, how is that fair to R? Apparently, CONs are voicing this RT idea to turn BJP against the idea and stall parliament when the bill is introduced. Still, this whole thing undermines the people in A and R.

The theory of Congress introducing a "poison pill" in the bill is quite possible. While only anti-national (read anti-hindu) fans would admire this move as a strategic stroke, the psychological and political resentment it will leave behind is likely to last for many many years. It is typical of congress to create a problem where there is none and make it into a big problem where there is no need, and leave it half-baked to create its legacy. What the White Brits did is successfully done by the white-educated Brown masters of the Dynasty with its circle of Pseudo-Islamic Chamchas.

MMS, Sonia, Doggy Boy Sick, Ahmed Patel, Rahul and Ambika Soni - what do these people know about hindu heritage, culture, and hindu institutions? This is what happens when Barmaids are given power just bcz of marriage connections.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Apparently, when Kiran Kumar Reddy heard about Kurnool and Anantapur going to T, he was very upset. When he asked MT, she apparently was upset with him. Then he resigned his CM-ship. If she wants to create T, that is one thing. To split R into two and destroy its cultural identity just because T politicians want to separate, how is that fair to R? Apparently, CONs are voicing this RT idea to turn BJP against the idea and stall parliament when the bill is introduced. Still, this whole thing undermines the people in A and R.

The theory of Congress introducing a "poison pill" in the bill is quite possible.  While only anti-national (read anti-hindu) fans would admire this move as a strategic stroke, the psychological and political resentment it will leave behind is likely to last for many many years. It is typical of congress to create a problem where there is none and make it into a big problem where there is no need, and leave it half-baked to create its legacy.  What the White Brits did is successfully done by the white-educated Brown masters of the Dynasty with its circle of Pseudo-Islamic Chamchas.

MMS, Sonia, Doggy Boy Sick, Ahmed Patel, Rahul and Ambika Soni - what do these people know about hindu heritage, culture, and hindu institutions?   This is what happens when Barmaids are given power just bcz of marriage connections.  

 Exactly! Dividing AP is in itself very painful. Where is the need to divide Rayalaseema too, if not to cause more pain to the ppl and ask for long term problems? This is called stirring up the hornest's nest unnecessarily. Totally senseless!

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Apparently, when Kiran Kumar Reddy heard about Kurnool and Anantapur going to T, he was very upset. When he asked MT, she apparently was upset with him. Then he resigned his CM-ship. If she wants to create T, that is one thing. To split R into two and destroy its cultural identity just because T politicians want to separate, how is that fair to R? Apparently, CONs are voicing this RT idea to turn BJP against the idea and stall parliament when the bill is introduced. Still, this whole thing undermines the people in A and R.

Saar, I'm not finding a single news item nor TV9/TV5 are talking about Kiran Kumar's resignation, as a matter of fact one of MLA's made an announcement that CM didn't resign.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MMS, Sonia, Doggy Boy Sick, Ahmed Patel, Rahul and Ambika Soni - what do these people know about hindu heritage, culture, and hindu institutions?   This is what happens when Barmaids are given power just bcz of marriage connections.  

Likewise, Advani, Vajpayee or Modi know nothing about Telanagana, Rayalaseema, Kosta culture yet those old senile bastards think they do. Those shortsighted idiots are the prime reason for this state bifurcation nonsense we're in.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MMS, Sonia, Doggy Boy Sick, Ahmed Patel, Rahul and Ambika Soni - what do these people know about hindu heritage, culture, and hindu institutions?   This is what happens when Barmaids are given power just bcz of marriage connections.  

Likewise, Advani, Vajpayee or Modi know nothing about Telanagana, Rayalaseema, Kosta culture yet those old senile bastards think they do. Those shortsighted idiots are the prime reason for this state bifurcation nonsense we're in.

funny...hahahaha....funny - o-funny...

Congress runs the govt and plans for bifurcation and trifurcation, and you blame the BJP ???? As a gult you should know much....Can you explain?

BTW, whoever launched any movement for a separate Rayalaseema ? I never ever heard of any such demand....

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MMS, Sonia, Doggy Boy Sick, Ahmed Patel, Rahul and Ambika Soni - what do these people know about hindu heritage, culture, and hindu institutions?   This is what happens when Barmaids are given power just bcz of marriage connections.  

Likewise, Advani, Vajpayee or Modi know nothing about Telanagana, Rayalaseema, Kosta culture yet those old senile bastards think they do. Those shortsighted idiots are the prime reason for this state bifurcation nonsense we're in.

 eh? I am yet to find a post of yours that makes sense.

kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MMS, Sonia, Doggy Boy Sick, Ahmed Patel, Rahul and Ambika Soni - what do these people know about hindu heritage, culture, and hindu institutions?   This is what happens when Barmaids are given power just bcz of marriage connections.  

Likewise, Advani, Vajpayee or Modi know nothing about Telanagana, Rayalaseema, Kosta culture yet those old senile bastards think they do. Those shortsighted idiots are the prime reason for this state bifurcation nonsense we're in.

 eh? I am yet to find a post of yours that makes sense.

Not a problem. SaamiYaar knows exactly what I mean.

No matter how clear the problem source, cd has this instinctive need to find a bjp angle and abuse them. it gives him a satisfaction that he is fighting a good battle on behalf of secular forces. he can't help it even if he tries.

confuzzled dude wrote:

kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MMS, Sonia, Doggy Boy Sick, Ahmed Patel, Rahul and Ambika Soni - what do these people know about hindu heritage, culture, and hindu institutions?   This is what happens when Barmaids are given power just bcz of marriage connections.  

Likewise, Advani, Vajpayee or Modi know nothing about Telanagana, Rayalaseema, Kosta culture yet those old senile bastards think they do. Those shortsighted idiots are the prime reason for this state bifurcation nonsense we're in.

 eh? I am yet to find a post of yours that makes sense.

Not a problem. SaamiYaar knows exactly what I mean.

 I thought he asked for your explanation.

kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MMS, Sonia, Doggy Boy Sick, Ahmed Patel, Rahul and Ambika Soni - what do these people know about hindu heritage, culture, and hindu institutions?   This is what happens when Barmaids are given power just bcz of marriage connections.  

Likewise, Advani, Vajpayee or Modi know nothing about Telanagana, Rayalaseema, Kosta culture yet those old senile bastards think they do. Those shortsighted idiots are the prime reason for this state bifurcation nonsense we're in.

 eh? I am yet to find a post of yours that makes sense.

This is the first time I am hearing of a bifurcation when none was demanded. Telengana protests were at its peak under Chenna reddy, and he simply bought over by Indira deftly. KCR restarted it only when he did not get the CM post. and KCR is a jijubi compared to Chenna Reddy...and the Barmaid & Co cannot handle a simple idiot like KCR? Both Chenna reddy and KCR used the Telengana Bogey right in their 50s, when their ambition for CM post was blunted.

Again....who demanded a separate Rayalaseema ? I am scratching my head furiously... Chiranjeevi ? (Where the hell is he now after merging with congress). How come he is mum? Isn't this a great opportunity for him to establish himself as a leading politician ?

kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

MMS, Sonia, Doggy Boy Sick, Ahmed Patel, Rahul and Ambika Soni - what do these people know about hindu heritage, culture, and hindu institutions?   This is what happens when Barmaids are given power just bcz of marriage connections.  

Likewise, Advani, Vajpayee or Modi know nothing about Telanagana, Rayalaseema, Kosta culture yet those old senile bastards think they do. Those shortsighted idiots are the prime reason for this state bifurcation nonsense we're in.

 eh? I am yet to find a post of yours that makes sense.

Not a problem. SaamiYaar knows exactly what I mean.

 I thought he asked for your explanation.

I've always maintained that BJP was quick to jump the gun with splitting those 3 states (in '00) which basically resuscitated T movement which was pretty much dormant for decades, I'm sure A.P bifurcation will lead to more such movements across the country.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:Suggest names for the proposed 3 news states of Andhra:

Coastal Andhra:

Rayalaseema:

Telengana:

have many many suggestions but one set of names can be : Cyclone Andhra/waterless Andhra/Nizamistan

>>>>I think we'd be remiss if we didn't take KV's sensibilities into consideration. May I suggest Coastal Eelam, RealEelama, T-eelam-gana? All problems will be solved when they become part of greater eelam.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Again....who demanded a separate Rayalaseema ?  I am scratching my head furiously... Chiranjeevi ?  (Where the hell is he now after merging with congress). How come he is mum?  Isn't this a great opportunity for him to establish himself as a leading politician ?

There were quite a few demands for separate 'R' state from 'R' region politicians though never really got much traction, even Kinnera , whose roots are in Rayalaseema, once said she would rather prefer a separate 'R' state then merging with new 'A' state.[/quote]

Uppili ,
a little primer on ap politics of the day to fill gaps in your vast knowledge bank.
The one good thing that everyone gives credit to ysr was his handling of kcr . After ysr left the scene congress fell back to its mode of dithering . Incompetent rosaiah could not handle kcr and allowed him to take charge of the situation. That led to a fast by kcr and the infamous Dec 9 statement of stupid vesti wearing chidambaram. people say he was all cheerful to breakup ap.
Chiranjeevi is happy and attained nirvana after being made central minister.
united/seperate rayalaseema is a recent demand from about six months and is led by an ex tdp mla byreddi rajashekar reddy .

truthbetold wrote:No matter how clear the problem source, cd has this instinctive need to find a bjp  angle and abuse them. it gives him a satisfaction that he is fighting a good battle on behalf of secular forces. he can't help it even if he tries.

 In this case ruling govt. is trying to resolve an issue not created by them, yes I'm with you, they're trying to take advantage of it.

CD:

There were quite a few demands for separate 'R' state from 'R' region politicians though never really got much traction, even Kinnera , whose roots are in Rayalaseema, once said she would rather prefer a separate 'R' state then merging with new 'A' state.

*****

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh...Kinnera demanded rather WISHED......then the Barmaid & co is fully justified in giving statehood to R.

You are getting upto speed to the level of Rashmunullah...Keep it up.


BTW, what about Uppili-Naadu which I have been demanding forever?

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:No matter how clear the problem source, cd has this instinctive need to find a bjp  angle and abuse them. it gives him a satisfaction that he is fighting a good battle on behalf of secular forces. he can't help it even if he tries.

 In this case ruling govt. is trying to resolve an issue not created by them, yes I'm with you, they're trying to take advantage of it.

what are you saying? T was a problem created by congress in 1969. even if we discount that, it was dormant movement in 2004 before ysr and lagadapati began to fund it to defeat tdp . just like brindanwalle came back to haunt India, t problem became a monster problem to its benefactor congress.
bjp was talking about t forever but in ap lwho listens to them.
it is ysr who stoke the fires and was able to handle them while alive. congress did not know how to ride the tiger and is letting it lose in a crowded market place.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Apparently, when Kiran Kumar Reddy heard about Kurnool and Anantapur going to T, he was very upset. When he asked MT, she apparently was upset with him. Then he resigned his CM-ship. If she wants to create T, that is one thing. To split R into two and destroy its cultural identity just because T politicians want to separate, how is that fair to R? Apparently, CONs are voicing this RT idea to turn BJP against the idea and stall parliament when the bill is introduced. Still, this whole thing undermines the people in A and R.

Saar, I'm not finding a single news item nor TV9/TV5 are talking about Kiran Kumar's resignation, as a matter of fact one of MLA's made an announcement that CM didn't resign.

 See the 4th para in this news item:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Creation-of-Telangana-Details-emerge-Hyderabad-to-be-a-Union-territory/articleshow/21426310.cms

truthbetold wrote:Uppili ,
a little primer on ap  politics of the day to fill gaps in your vast knowledge bank.
The one good thing that everyone gives credit to ysr was his handling of kcr . After ysr left the scene congress fell back to its mode of dithering . Incompetent rosaiah could not handle kcr and allowed him to take charge of the situation. That led to a fast by kcr and the infamous Dec 9 statement of stupid vesti wearing chidambaram. people say he was all cheerful to breakup ap.
Chiranjeevi is happy and attained nirvana after being made central minister.
united/seperate rayalaseema is a recent demand from about  six months and is led by an ex tdp mla byreddi rajashekar reddy .

this is utterly ridiculous...

Just bcz one MP or an MLA makes a statement with a procession or undergoes a fast, the center bends over and gives statehood? I thot it needed at least 3 to 5 years of bus burning, rail roko, 1000 killings, student strike, bandh, blockade, etc..etc...before anything is even considered.

no..no.... I cant accept this... this is PURELY a political gimmick and selfish agenda on the part of the Barmaid & co. Hook or by crook ensure power for future Prince and Princess. Even a kid has to protest more seriously for a simple motorcycle.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Apparently, when Kiran Kumar Reddy heard about Kurnool and Anantapur going to T, he was very upset. When he asked MT, she apparently was upset with him. Then he resigned his CM-ship. If she wants to create T, that is one thing. To split R into two and destroy its cultural identity just because T politicians want to separate, how is that fair to R? Apparently, CONs are voicing this RT idea to turn BJP against the idea and stall parliament when the bill is introduced. Still, this whole thing undermines the people in A and R.

Saar, I'm not finding a single news item nor TV9/TV5 are talking about Kiran Kumar's resignation, as a matter of fact one of MLA's made an announcement that CM didn't resign.

 See the 4th para in this news item:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Creation-of-Telangana-Details-emerge-Hyderabad-to-be-a-Union-territory/articleshow/21426310.cms

So, did he resign, did he? He just another lapdog.

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:No matter how clear the problem source, cd has this instinctive need to find a bjp  angle and abuse them. it gives him a satisfaction that he is fighting a good battle on behalf of secular forces. he can't help it even if he tries.

 In this case ruling govt. is trying to resolve an issue not created by them, yes I'm with you, they're trying to take advantage of it.

what are you saying? T was a problem created by congress in 1969.  even if we discount that, it was dormant movement in 2004 before ysr and lagadapati began to fund it to defeat tdp . just like brindanwalle came back to haunt India, t problem became a monster problem to its benefactor congress.
bjp was talking about t forever but in ap lwho listens to them.
it is ysr who stoke the fires and was able to handle them while alive.  congress did not know how to ride the tiger and is letting it lose in a crowded market place.

Disgruntled TDP MLA KCR quit TDP and formed TRS in 2001. What was the reason and who was at the helm in center?

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:No matter how clear the problem source, cd has this instinctive need to find a bjp  angle and abuse them. it gives him a satisfaction that he is fighting a good battle on behalf of secular forces. he can't help it even if he tries.

 In this case ruling govt. is trying to resolve an issue not created by them, yes I'm with you, they're trying to take advantage of it.

what are you saying? T was a problem created by congress in 1969.  even if we discount that, it was dormant movement in 2004 before ysr and lagadapati began to fund it to defeat tdp . just like brindanwalle came back to haunt India, t problem became a monster problem to its benefactor congress.
bjp was talking about t forever but in ap lwho listens to them.
it is ysr who stoke the fires and was able to handle them while alive.  congress did not know how to ride the tiger and is letting it lose in a crowded market place.

 Having followed the movement closely in the early 2000s I have to agree with TBT here. KCR was upset but he had no support outside his district until YSR started playing the game to weaken TDP in Telangana.

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:No matter how clear the problem source, cd has this instinctive need to find a bjp  angle and abuse them. it gives him a satisfaction that he is fighting a good battle on behalf of secular forces. he can't help it even if he tries.

 In this case ruling govt. is trying to resolve an issue not created by them, yes I'm with you, they're trying to take advantage of it.

what are you saying? T was a problem created by congress in 1969.  even if we discount that, it was dormant movement in 2004 before ysr and lagadapati began to fund it to defeat tdp . just like brindanwalle came back to haunt India, t problem became a monster problem to its benefactor congress.
bjp was talking about t forever but in ap lwho listens to them.
it is ysr who stoke the fires and was able to handle them while alive.  congress did not know how to ride the tiger and is letting it lose in a crowded market place.

Disgruntled TDP MLA KCR quit TDP and formed TRS in 2001. What was the reason and who was at the helm in center?

Back in the day KCR used to day clearly that the center's decision on the the new States made it the right time to ask for Telangana. But he didn't pick up much support until YSR made an alliance with him.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:this is utterly ridiculous...

Just bcz one MP or an MLA makes a statement with a procession or undergoes a fast, the center bends over and gives statehood?  I thot it needed at least 3 to 5 years of bus burning, rail roko, 1000 killings, student strike, bandh, blockade, etc..etc...before anything is even considered.

no..no.... I cant accept this... this is PURELY a political gimmick and selfish agenda on the part of the Barmaid & co.  Hook or by crook ensure power for future Prince and Princess. Even a kid has to protest more seriously for a simple motorcycle.

It wasn't as simple man. Obviously, this was organized & for the most part, peaceful movement began as early as 2001, who do you think gave KCR this idea? NDA Govt. He quit TDP because of CBN's double standards, TDP supported bifurcation of Northern states but was against T state.

Idéfix wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:No matter how clear the problem source, cd has this instinctive need to find a bjp  angle and abuse them. it gives him a satisfaction that he is fighting a good battle on behalf of secular forces. he can't help it even if he tries.

 In this case ruling govt. is trying to resolve an issue not created by them, yes I'm with you, they're trying to take advantage of it.

what are you saying? T was a problem created by congress in 1969.  even if we discount that, it was dormant movement in 2004 before ysr and lagadapati began to fund it to defeat tdp . just like brindanwalle came back to haunt India, t problem became a monster problem to its benefactor congress.
bjp was talking about t forever but in ap lwho listens to them.
it is ysr who stoke the fires and was able to handle them while alive.  congress did not know how to ride the tiger and is letting it lose in a crowded market place.

Disgruntled TDP MLA KCR quit TDP and formed TRS in 2001. What was the reason and who was at the helm in center?

Back in the day KCR used to day clearly that the center's decision on the the new States made it the right time to ask for Telangana. But he didn't pick up much support until YSR made an alliance with him.

Movements don't pickup steam overnight. Both YSR in '04 and CBN in '09 supported and kept them alive.

Idefix,
I am staying from Modi the economic super star vs he isjust an average guy argument. What I can say from numbers is that Modi is doing a good and consistent job with Gujarat economics. Mh, tn and perhaps ap did well too. But neither mh nor ap cms seem to clamour for more re ignition because they know they have limited claim on the numbers. Jaya lalita has limited claim on the numbers but such things never stopped her before.
Among the names mentioned for pm Modi has the longest track record economics and otherwise. People give him credit for economic development and brickbats for 2002 riots.
I have a tough time understanding a sen 's of the world who work overtime to prove that Modi did not create wealth. In Gujarat. In my view that kind of argument. Discredits the sen and does not hurt Modi.

Cd,
Both ysr in 04 and cbn in 09 helped kcr. Trs has never done well as an organized party. All of them are responsible. People are suffering.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:this is utterly ridiculous...

Just bcz one MP or an MLA makes a statement with a procession or undergoes a fast, the center bends over and gives statehood?  I thot it needed at least 3 to 5 years of bus burning, rail roko, 1000 killings, student strike, bandh, blockade, etc..etc...before anything is even considered.

no..no.... I cant accept this... this is PURELY a political gimmick and selfish agenda on the part of the Barmaid & co.  Hook or by crook ensure power for future Prince and Princess. Even a kid has to protest more seriously for a simple motorcycle.

It wasn't as simple man. Obviously, this was organized & for the most part, peaceful movement began as early as 2001, who do you think gave KCR this idea? NDA Govt. He quit TDP because of CBN's double standards, TDP supported bifurcation of Northern states but was against T state.

I was talking about Statehood for R. Even KCR after his big drama 3, 4 years ago cooled down a little - as he saw the chance to be CM for the whole of Andhra given the Chiranjeevi-Jagan-Congress-CBN vote splitting. Congress suddenly decided to give statehood and mess around rayalaseema (much to the shock of everyone) purely counting MP seats for Prince Rahul.

Do you even know how severe the 1969 Telengana movement by Chenna reddy ? It was just as bad as Pottu Sriramulu movement in 1952. the 2005-06 KCR movement and the non-movement of 2013 are NOTHING compared to the 1969.

Here from Uncle Wiki:

Andhra Movement:

In an effort to protect the interests of the Telugu people of Madras state, Potti Sriramulu attempted to force the Madras state government to listen to public demands for the separation of Telugu speaking districts (Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra) from Madras state to form the Andhra state. He went on a lengthy fast, and only stopped when Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru promised to form Andhra state. However, there was no movement on the issue for a long time. He started fasting again for attaining statehood for Andhra in Maharshi Bulusu Sambamurti's house in Madras on 19 October 1952. It started off without fanfare but steadily caught people's attention despite the disavowal of the fast by the Andhra Congress committee.

The government of the day however did not make a clear statement about the formation of a new state despite several strikes and demonstrations by Telugu people. On the midnight of 15 December (i.e. early 16 December 1952), Potti Sreeramulu died and laid down his life trying to achieve his objective.[1]

In his death procession, people shouted slogans praising his sacrifice. When the procession reached Mount Road, thousands of people joined and raised slogans hailing Sriramulu. Later, they went into a frenzy and resorted to destruction of public property. The news spread like wildfire and created an uproar among the people in far off places like Vizianagaram, Visakhapatnam, Vijayawada, Rajahmundry, Eluru, Guntur, Tenali, Ongole and Nellore. Seven people were killed in police firing in Anakapalle and Vijayawada. The popular agitation continued for three to four days disrupting normal life in Madras and Andhra regions. On 19 December 1952, the Prime Minister of the country Jawaharlal Nehru made an announcement about formation of a separate state for Telugu speaking people Madras state.

**********On Telengana movement of 1969

12 years after the formation of Andhra Pradesh, people of Telangana expressed dissatisfaction over how the agreements and guarantees were implemented.[10] On 19 January 1969, an all party accord was reached to ensure the proper implementation of Telangana safeguards. Telangana leaders were not satisfied with the accord. The movement became violent and in some instances police had to resort to firing to control the mobs.[11] The army had to be called in. After several days of talks with leaders of both regions, on 12 April 1969, Prime minister came up with an eight point plan.[12] Telangana leaders rejected the plan and protests continued under the leadership of newly formed political party Telangana Praja Samithi in 1969 asking for the formation of Telangana. Under the Mulki rules in force at the time, anyone who had lived in Hyderabad for 15 years was considered a local, and was thus eligible for certain government posts. When the Supreme Court upheld the Mulki rules at the end of 1972, the Jai Andhra movement, with the aim of re-forming a separate state of Andhra, was started in Coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema regions.

Reading the above...tell me where is the hurry now and why else Congress pushing the case now but to benefit Prince Rahul.