kinnera wrote:It's better to trifurcate the state. What if the telangana thing is repeated after the new capital is fully developed?

confuzzled dude wrote:

kinnera wrote:It's better to trifurcate the state. What if the telangana thing is repeated after the new capital is fully developed?

While we are at it let's make into 4 pieces, Vizag will be capital for north east.

BTW, What should be the name of the new state "Rayala-Andhra" or "Andhra Seema" or "Rayala-Kosta" or "Kosta Seema"

Idéfix wrote:Giving Hyderabad joint capital status for ten years is bad for the Seemandhra state. They will have ten full years to fight over a new capital and build up strong resentments.

Idéfix wrote:Giving Hyderabad joint capital status for ten years is bad for the Seemandhra state. They will have ten full years to fight over a new capital and build up strong resentments. They will be able to make this an issue in two full Lok Sabha and Vidhana Sabha, district, and panchayat election cycles, and fight over it bitterly. It is not like it takes ten years to build a new capital; all you need really are buildings for the legislature, state secretariat, and houses for the ministers and MLAs. With the pace of development in India, those things can be built in 1-2 years. I don't see why the interim status cannot be for 3 or 5 years; that would close the decision-making process sooner and prevent building up more resentments inside the new Seemandhra state.

This interim situation is good for Hyderabad, because the transition to Telangana will not be a hard landing; we will still host the governments of both states for ten years, and that means employees of the Seemandhra government won't move right away affecting the economy and the real estate market. Because Hyderabad is not a union territory, it won't even cause concerns in Telangana that the Seemandhra folks will turn Hyderabad into a long-drawn-out, never-resolved situation like Chandigarh. If the Seemandhra folks can't agree on a capital and want to keep their government in Hyderabad indefinitely, that won't be a bad thing for Telangana, because of the positive impact on the local economy.

indophile wrote:

Idéfix wrote:Giving Hyderabad joint capital status for ten years is bad for the Seemandhra state. They will have ten full years to fight over a new capital and build up strong resentments.

 I hope they make good use of the 10-year time frame (money would have been better than 10 years time) to move whatever investments they can out of Hyderabad and park them in a commercially suitable place like Vizag. And when they do build the capital, they should plan it purely as a political capital, and not allow commercial interests anywhere nearby.

Idéfix wrote:

indophile wrote:

Idéfix wrote:Giving Hyderabad joint capital status for ten years is bad for the Seemandhra state. They will have ten full years to fight over a new capital and build up strong resentments.

 I hope they make good use of the 10-year time frame (money would have been better than 10 years time) to move whatever investments they can out of Hyderabad and park them in a commercially suitable place like Vizag. And when they do build the capital, they should plan it purely as a political capital, and not allow commercial interests anywhere nearby.

Fat chance of that happening. It will likely be all about who has the biggest commercial interests and who can make the most of their "influence."

indophile wrote:They built Bhibaneshwar in Orissa (you may have seen the city) on completely barren land, and see how well-planned and beautiful it looks compared to Cuttak which is more or less Orissa's cultural capital. They just don't allow most types of commercial activity in Bhubaneshwar.

kinnera wrote:Yeah, the problem now is that too many eggs were put in one basket, Hyderabad. The IT industry, the film industry, the health and pharmaceutical industry, top notch universities and coaching centers, international airport, high court etc are all in hyderabad. The telangs are having everything in  a platter. That shld not be repeated with the new capital city.

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:Yeah, the problem now is that too many eggs were put in one basket, Hyderabad. The IT industry, the film industry, the health and pharmaceutical industry, top notch universities and coaching centers, international airport, high court etc are all in hyderabad. The telangs are having everything in  a platter. That shld not be repeated with the new capital city.

The people of Telangana paid their fair share for those things. The High Court that you mention, for example, was built with revenues from Telangana, not Seemandhra, by a king who basically took everything he could from the people, and spent a little bit of it on Hyderabad. The people of Telangana are not getting Hyderabad "on a platter" -- they paid for it in blood and sweat.

kinnera wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:Yeah, the problem now is that too many eggs were put in one basket, Hyderabad. The IT industry, the film industry, the health and pharmaceutical industry, top notch universities and coaching centers, international airport, high court etc are all in hyderabad. The telangs are having everything in  a platter. That shld not be repeated with the new capital city.

The people of Telangana paid their fair share for those things. The High Court that you mention, for example, was built with revenues from Telangana, not Seemandhra, by a king who basically took everything he could from the people, and spent a little bit of it on Hyderabad. The people of Telangana are not getting Hyderabad "on a platter" -- they paid for it in blood and sweat.

 Yeah right!

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:Yeah, the problem now is that too many eggs were put in one basket, Hyderabad. The IT industry, the film industry, the health and pharmaceutical industry, top notch universities and coaching centers, international airport, high court etc are all in hyderabad. The telangs are having everything in  a platter. That shld not be repeated with the new capital city.

The people of Telangana paid their fair share for those things. The High Court that you mention, for example, was built with revenues from Telangana, not Seemandhra, by a king who basically took everything he could from the people, and spent a little bit of it on Hyderabad. The people of Telangana are not getting Hyderabad "on a platter" -- they paid for it in blood and sweat.

 Yeah right!

I understand that you are angry about today's news. But facts are facts, and I will be happy to discuss this further with you when you are able to say more than "yeah right!"

kinnera wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:Yeah, the problem now is that too many eggs were put in one basket, Hyderabad. The IT industry, the film industry, the health and pharmaceutical industry, top notch universities and coaching centers, international airport, high court etc are all in hyderabad. The telangs are having everything in  a platter. That shld not be repeated with the new capital city.

The people of Telangana paid their fair share for those things. The High Court that you mention, for example, was built with revenues from Telangana, not Seemandhra, by a king who basically took everything he could from the people, and spent a little bit of it on Hyderabad. The people of Telangana are not getting Hyderabad "on a platter" -- they paid for it in blood and sweat.

 Yeah right!

I understand that you are angry about today's news. But facts are facts, and I will be happy to discuss this further with you when you are able to say more than "yeah right!"

 i nvr read or hear today's news. anything new? My reaction  yeah right=you talking abt the 'sweat and blood' about one building-the high court building. bleh!

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:

Idéfix wrote:
The people of Telangana paid their fair share for those things. The High Court that you mention, for example, was built with revenues from Telangana, not Seemandhra, by a king who basically took everything he could from the people, and spent a little bit of it on Hyderabad. The people of Telangana are not getting Hyderabad "on a platter" -- they paid for it in blood and sweat.

 Yeah right!

I understand that you are angry about today's news. But facts are facts, and I will be happy to discuss this further with you when you are able to say more than "yeah right!"

 i nvr read or hear today's news. anything new? My reaction  yeah right=you talking abt the 'sweat and blood' about one building-the high court building. bleh!

It is not just one building. Do you know why Hyderabad was chosen as the capital of united Andhra Pradesh back in the day? Because it had the best infrastructure of any Telugu city, beyond doubt. Who paid for all that infrastructure before the state of AP was created? The people of Telangana. And under a united AP, Hyderabad has generated more taxes than any other district, and that is what paid for all the publicly-funded things you listed earlier. So, yes, people who live in Telangana have paid for Hyderabad. The earlier generations paid with their blood, and the more recent ones with their sweat.

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:Yeah, the problem now is that too many eggs were put in one basket, Hyderabad. The IT industry, the film industry, the health and pharmaceutical industry, top notch universities and coaching centers, international airport, high court etc are all in hyderabad. The telangs are having everything in  a platter. That shld not be repeated with the new capital city.

The people of Telangana paid their fair share for those things. The High Court that you mention, for example, was built with revenues from Telangana, not Seemandhra, by a king who basically took everything he could from the people, and spent a little bit of it on Hyderabad. The people of Telangana are not getting Hyderabad "on a platter" -- they paid for it in blood and sweat.

kinnera wrote: That is all the bullshit that telangs want to believe. let them do so. 

kinnera wrote:When hyd was made the capital (dumping kurnool) and high court moved there (from guntur), many from the rest of AP had no choice but to move to hyd.

kinnera wrote:They all contributed to it, not just telangs.

kinnera wrote:What's there to the buildings and infrastructure? With proper funding from the center, these could've been developed. Are they not going to do that now with the new capital?

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote: That is all the bullshit that telangs want to believe. let them do so. 

Well, it is the truth. 

I don't know what you mean by the word "telangs." If you mean it to refer to the people of Telangana, it is in rather poor taste. 

kinnera wrote:When hyd was made the capital (dumping kurnool) and high court moved there (from guntur), many from the rest of AP had no choice but to move to hyd.

I wouldn't say "they had no choice." Of course they had a choice. I am talking about people in my own family; they chose to move to Kurnool from Madras, and they chose to move to Hyderabad.

kinnera wrote:They all contributed to it, not just telangs.

Yes, and they all live in Telangana, and are the people of Telangana now. Telangana is not becoming a separate country.

kinnera wrote:What's there to the buildings and infrastructure? With proper funding from the center, these could've been developed. Are they not going to do that now with the new capital?

Then, coming back to your original complaint, what is it that the people of Telangana are getting "on a platter" then?

Idéfix wrote:It is not just one building. Do you know why Hyderabad was chosen as the capital of united Andhra Pradesh back in the day? Because it had the best infrastructure of any Telugu city, beyond doubt. Who paid for all that infrastructure before the state of AP was created? The people of Telangana. And under a united AP, Hyderabad has generated more taxes than any other district, and that is what paid for all the publicly-funded things you listed earlier. So, yes, people who live in Telangana have paid for Hyderabad. The earlier generations paid with their blood, and the more recent ones with their sweat.

kinnera wrote:If your family had a high court lawyer did they have the choice to live elsewhere but hyderabad? They probably were in kurnool when it was the capital and then moved to hyderabad when it became the capital. Secretariat/Govt employees have no choice but to be in the state capital.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Idéfix wrote:It is not just one building. Do you know why Hyderabad was chosen as the capital of united Andhra Pradesh back in the day? Because it had the best infrastructure of any Telugu city, beyond doubt. Who paid for all that infrastructure before the state of AP was created? The people of Telangana. And under a united AP, Hyderabad has generated more taxes than any other district, and that is what paid for all the publicly-funded things you listed earlier. So, yes, people who live in Telangana have paid for Hyderabad. The earlier generations paid with their blood, and the more recent ones with their sweat.

I think that' quite a bit of a stretch. You're basically saying, you sore losers deal with it. Kosata-rayalaseema population is basically screwed for the 3rd time(?). I guess swyamkrutaparadham.

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:If your family had a high court lawyer did they have the choice to live elsewhere but hyderabad? They probably were in kurnool when it was the capital and then moved to hyderabad when it became the capital. Secretariat/Govt employees have no choice but to be in the state capital.

Yes, High Court lawyers in Madras had a choice to stay back in Madras, as did government employees. Some of them stayed, many moved. Chennai still has a lot of Telugu people, many of them descended from the people who stayed.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

kinnera wrote:Yeah, the problem now is that too many eggs were put in one basket, Hyderabad. The IT industry, the film industry, the health and pharmaceutical industry, top notch universities and coaching centers, international airport, high court etc are all in hyderabad. The telangs are having everything in  a platter. That shld not be repeated with the new capital city.

The people of Telangana paid their fair share for those things. The High Court that you mention, for example, was built with revenues from Telangana, not Seemandhra, by a king who basically took everything he could from the people, and spent a little bit of it on Hyderabad. The people of Telangana are not getting Hyderabad "on a platter" -- they paid for it in blood and sweat.

Correct, wonder how the monies will be appropriated for the next 10 years. Would the non-telangana side get higher share as they essentially have to pay for the second time to build the state capital. You can't just look at it as a political capital, you will have to take all the expenditure that went into setting up the infrastructure around Hyd and all the industrial development that occurred in Medak district strictly based on the proximity to the state capital. I know it is due to the shortsightedness of the CMs from Rayalaseema & Andhra regions but something got to happen.

Idéfix wrote:I am saying the people who live in Telangana, including Hyderabad, are the people of Telangana, regardless of where they came from. Half of my family is from coastal Andhra, and many of them have lived in Hyderabad for at least 50 years; I don't want any of them to move, and I see them as people of Telangana. If they choose to move again, that is their choice, but I am strongly opposed to any efforts to make them feel unwelcome in Hyderabad or any other part of Telangana. If they do choose to stay in Hyderabad, they don't lose what they helped build!

I think the sense of victimhood over the capital city is to Seemandhra what the sense of victimhood of river waters is to Telangana: mountain made out of little molehill.

Idéfix wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Idéfix wrote:It is not just one building. Do you know why Hyderabad was chosen as the capital of united Andhra Pradesh back in the day? Because it had the best infrastructure of any Telugu city, beyond doubt. Who paid for all that infrastructure before the state of AP was created? The people of Telangana. And under a united AP, Hyderabad has generated more taxes than any other district, and that is what paid for all the publicly-funded things you listed earlier. So, yes, people who live in Telangana have paid for Hyderabad. The earlier generations paid with their blood, and the more recent ones with their sweat.

I think that' quite a bit of a stretch. You're basically saying, you sore losers deal with it. Kosata-rayalaseema population is basically screwed for the 3rd time(?). I guess swyamkrutaparadham.

I am saying the people who live in Telangana, including Hyderabad, are the people of Telangana, regardless of where they came from. Half of my family is from coastal Andhra, and many of them have lived in Hyderabad for at least 50 years; I don't want any of them to move, and I see them as people of Telangana. If they choose to move again, that is their choice, but I am strongly opposed to any efforts to make them feel unwelcome in Hyderabad or any other part of Telangana. If they do choose to stay in Hyderabad, they don't lose what they helped build!

I think the sense of victimhood over the capital city is to Seemandhra what the sense of victimhood of river waters is to Telangana: mountain made out of little molehill.

Propagandhi711 wrote:YOU are strongly opposed, alas you are sitting a few thousand miles and most likely dont have influence on events on the ground nor the ear of that drunkard KCR and his rowdy dotter/son if they decide to continue their rabble rousing and belligerence against "outsiders"?

Propagandhi711 wrote:how're your hopes and personal preferences for how things should turn out working out in egypt, btw?

confuzzled dude wrote:hear a couple of buses were set on fire in Kurnool already.

confuzzled dude wrote:hear a couple of buses were set on fire in Kurnool already.

Propagandhi711 wrote:
YOU are strongly opposed, alas you are sitting a few thousand miles and most likely dont have influence on events on the ground nor the ear of that drunkard KCR and his rowdy dotter/son if they decide to continue their rabble rousing and belligerence against "outsiders"?

how're your hopes and personal preferences for how things should turn out working out in egypt, btw?

Idéfix wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:YOU are strongly opposed, alas you are sitting a few thousand miles and most likely dont have influence on events on the ground nor the ear of that drunkard KCR and his rowdy dotter/son if they decide to continue their rabble rousing and belligerence against "outsiders"?

I state my views. You are welcome to state yours.

Propagandhi711 wrote:how're your hopes and personal preferences for how things should turn out working out in egypt, btw?

Much better than the naysayers who predicted "this is another Iran" would have us believe two years ago.

Propagandhi711 wrote: in typical bumbling bureaucrat fashion, they'll fuck this up so both sides will have ages to argue and grind axes that they didnt receive fair share. there were no details on how this revenue sharing is going to happen. think lagadapati along with a few others will get richer if they play their cards right

confuzzled dude wrote:

Idéfix wrote:I am saying the people who live in Telangana, including Hyderabad, are the people of Telangana, regardless of where they came from. Half of my family is from coastal Andhra, and many of them have lived in Hyderabad for at least 50 years; I don't want any of them to move, and I see them as people of Telangana. If they choose to move again, that is their choice, but I am strongly opposed to any efforts to make them feel unwelcome in Hyderabad or any other part of Telangana. If they do choose to stay in Hyderabad, they don't lose what they helped build!

I think the sense of victimhood over the capital city is to Seemandhra what the sense of victimhood of river waters is to Telangana: mountain made out of little molehill.

I wish it was that simple C, If it was (having detached from India/AP for so may years) we wouldn't be discussing so much about the split.

About river waters, I think Krishna delta will dry-up sooner than later, will revert 100 years. First thanks to Laptop-Babu for looking the other way when Almatti dam was being built, farmers in Krishna/Guntur/Nalgonda have already seen effects of it and now on top of that this.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Idéfix wrote:I am saying the people who live in Telangana, including Hyderabad, are the people of Telangana, regardless of where they came from. Half of my family is from coastal Andhra, and many of them have lived in Hyderabad for at least 50 years; I don't want any of them to move, and I see them as people of Telangana. If they choose to move again, that is their choice, but I am strongly opposed to any efforts to make them feel unwelcome in Hyderabad or any other part of Telangana. If they do choose to stay in Hyderabad, they don't lose what they helped build!

I think the sense of victimhood over the capital city is to Seemandhra what the sense of victimhood of river waters is to Telangana: mountain made out of little molehill.

I wish it was that simple C, If it was (having detached from India/AP for so may years) we wouldn't be discussing so much about the split.

About river waters, I think Krishna delta will dry-up sooner than later, will revert 100 years. First thanks to Laptop-Babu for looking the other way when Almatti dam was being built, farmers in Krishna/Guntur/Nalgonda have already seen effects of it and now on top of that this.

 What happened to CBN's idea on harvesting and storing rain water? Looks like YSR neglected on that front.