Re: Intolerance

by Impedimenta Wed Aug 14, 2013 4:48 pm

Ayurveda, yes. Homeopathy - hogwash, my opinion. I see ayurveda in the same lines as acupuncture for pain management.

However, i have heard that Chronic anemia has a cure in homeopathy. i have heard several stories of this. What they all tell me is that the key to good homeopathy is to find a good diagnostician.

But then, look at all the recalls and "side effects" of popular allopathic medications. especially, depression medication. it scares me equally sometimes.

by southindian Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:16 pm

ALL "...pathys" have chemicals of one form or another just like your body.

Some folks spent months and years testing chemicals from these "...pathys" to work in scientific forms, dosage and/or situations.

If it works for your body...good. If it doesn't... too bad.

There are more of those folks experimenting as we speak in different permutation & combinations and will come out in all forms of "...pathys".

by confuzzled dude Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:21 pm

Impedimenta wrote:Ayurveda, yes. Homeopathy - hogwash, my opinion. I see ayurveda in the same lines as acupuncture for pain management.

However, i have heard that Chronic anemia has a cure in homeopathy. i have heard several stories of this. What they all tell me is that the key to good homeopathy is to find a good diagnostician.

But then, look at all the recalls and "side effects" of popular allopathic medications. especially, depression medication. it scares me equally sometimes.

Tylenol ban came to my mind when I saw the word double-blind. IMO, us Indians like to brag (like we do with all ancient Indian stuff) about Ayurveda want to make it more scientific than it actually is. I never tried Homeopathic remedies but noticed it was popular (and was effective) in Hyderabad a few years ago during ChikunGunya outbreak.

A colleague of mine (French guy) gave me a netipot several years ago seeing me suffer from seasonal allergies, never opened the box, a few years later, my allergies subsided just like that. What can I say.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:29 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Impedimenta wrote:Ayurveda, yes. Homeopathy - hogwash, my opinion. I see ayurveda in the same lines as acupuncture for pain management.

However, i have heard that Chronic anemia has a cure in homeopathy. i have heard several stories of this. What they all tell me is that the key to good homeopathy is to find a good diagnostician.

But then, look at all the recalls and "side effects" of popular allopathic medications. especially, depression medication. it scares me equally sometimes.
Tylenol ban came to my mind when I saw the word double-blind. IMO, us Indians like to brag (like we do with all ancient Indian stuff) about Ayurveda want to make it more scientific than it actually is. I never tried Homeopathic remedies but noticed it was popular (and was effective) in Hyderabad a few years ago during ChikunGunya outbreak.

A colleague of mine (French guy) gave me a netipot several years ago seeing me suffer from seasonal allergies, never opened the box, a few years later, my allergies subsided just like that. What can I say.

i don't brag about all ancient indian stuff, but i think ancient indians have made genuinely important contributions to mathematics (these are well documented) and medicine.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Aug 14, 2013 5:48 pm

Idéfix wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:btw, the neti pot of which i am a huge fan in winter, came out of ayurvedic medicine.
I used to suffer from chronic allergies in Indian cities, because of the polluted air. I was fine after I moved here, but this spring the allergies came back. Perhaps it was my doing yard work for the first time, or perhaps it took my immune system a few years to ratchet up to a level where it reacts to even the lower level of irritants found here compared to India. Whatever it was, I needed antihistamines to get through the day for the first time in years. I hate those antihistamines because they make me drowsy and feel tired even after a full night's sleep, apart from messing with my digestion. I finally heeded my wife's advise and tried neti. I am really happy with the results. I still have the occasional bout of allergies, but I haven't popped antihistamines after the first few days of neti.

Loratadine (claritin) doesn't usually cause drowsiness (in most patients) as long as you can avoid alcohol at the same time (and your kidney and liver are fine). Most people take it in the morning.

by Idéfix Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:32 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Impedimenta wrote:Ayurveda, yes. Homeopathy - hogwash, my opinion. I see ayurveda in the same lines as acupuncture for pain management.

However, i have heard that Chronic anemia has a cure in homeopathy. i have heard several stories of this. What they all tell me is that the key to good homeopathy is to find a good diagnostician.

But then, look at all the recalls and "side effects" of popular allopathic medications. especially, depression medication. it scares me equally sometimes.
Tylenol ban came to my mind when I saw the word double-blind. IMO, us Indians like to brag (like we do with all ancient Indian stuff) about Ayurveda want to make it more scientific than it actually is. I never tried Homeopathic remedies but noticed it was popular (and was effective) in Hyderabad a few years ago during ChikunGunya outbreak.

A colleague of mine (French guy) gave me a netipot several years ago seeing me suffer from seasonal allergies, never opened the box, a few years later, my allergies subsided just like that. What can I say.

Problems like drug recalls actually the demonstrate the need for more rigorous double-blind testing, not less.

I don't think talking about Ayurveda amounts to bragging. There are some effective remedies that have been known for centuries. Just because they did not come out of the labs of big pharma companies does not mean they are not effective.

I recognize that allergies can resolve themselves with changes in the body or the environment. I hope that happens to me too. In the meanwhile, I notice that doing neti seems to prevent symptoms for me.

by Idéfix Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:35 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Idéfix wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:btw, the neti pot of which i am a huge fan in winter, came out of ayurvedic medicine.
I used to suffer from chronic allergies in Indian cities, because of the polluted air. I was fine after I moved here, but this spring the allergies came back. Perhaps it was my doing yard work for the first time, or perhaps it took my immune system a few years to ratchet up to a level where it reacts to even the lower level of irritants found here compared to India. Whatever it was, I needed antihistamines to get through the day for the first time in years. I hate those antihistamines because they make me drowsy and feel tired even after a full night's sleep, apart from messing with my digestion. I finally heeded my wife's advise and tried neti. I am really happy with the results. I still have the occasional bout of allergies, but I haven't popped antihistamines after the first few days of neti.
Loratadine (claritin) doesn't usually cause drowsiness (in most patients) as long as you can avoid alcohol at the same time (and your kidney and liver are fine). Most people take it in the morning.

Thanks. I was taking Zyrtec because my doctor in India had recommended taking cetirizine. Will try Claritin next time I need an antihistamine.

by confuzzled dude Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:41 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i don't brag about all ancient indian stuff, but i think ancient indians have made genuinely important contributions to mathematics (these are well documented) and medicine.

I don't mean you Max, I apologize if it came across that way. It was a generic statement based on my observation. I do see that we tend go overboard when it comes to accomplishments of our ancestors as though we get some credit. Having said that I sincerely believe your personal experience is genuine. I feel the same about GC's account too. My point is all these medical practices have their place and serve their purpose.

by confuzzled dude Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:55 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote: Loratadine (claritin) doesn't usually cause drowsiness (in most patients) as long as you can avoid alcohol at the same time (and your kidney and liver are fine). Most people take it in the morning.

Alcohol or Claritin! Sorry couldn't resist after reading the story of villagers.

by goodcitizn Wed Aug 14, 2013 6:59 pm

I think the whole world, America in particular, is getting over-prescribed. There is a pill for every damn thing and a commercial for it. FDA and CDC are not equipped to test everything and only react when there are medical complications and lawsuits. The pharma companies cover themselves on potential side effects with warnings in fine print that a patient doesn't always get to read because the pharmacist fills prescriptions in vials where the labels don't describe side effects. More medicines are now over-the-counter which used to be strictly physician-prescribed. Sometimes the commercials are so vague that you are left to wonder whether you have that ailment and need that medicine. Ugh, what a racket.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Aug 14, 2013 7:12 pm

Impedimenta wrote:Ayurveda, yes. Homeopathy - hogwash, my opinion. I see ayurveda in the same lines as acupuncture for pain management.

However, i have heard that Chronic anemia has a cure in homeopathy. i have heard several stories of this. What they all tell me is that the key to good homeopathy is to find a good diagnostician.

But then, look at all the recalls and "side effects" of popular allopathic medications. especially, depression medication. it scares me equally sometimes.

Thats especially depressing.

The objective of anti-depressants is to cure depression, and if one is not, then cause depression so it can be cured with other anti-depressants.

I read a NIH report that almost 90% of anti-depressants dont work and 90% of diagnosis are wrong. Diagnosing depression is a subjective and judgement call, and I have not come across a single Psychiatrist who has told his patient that he is not. You go into a Psych office with a view that you are depressed, and so you are.

by pravalika nanda Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:06 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Impedimenta wrote:Ayurveda, yes. Homeopathy - hogwash, my opinion. I see ayurveda in the same lines as acupuncture for pain management.

However, i have heard that Chronic anemia has a cure in homeopathy. i have heard several stories of this. What they all tell me is that the key to good homeopathy is to find a good diagnostician.

But then, look at all the recalls and "side effects" of popular allopathic medications. especially, depression medication. it scares me equally sometimes.
Thats especially depressing.

The objective of anti-depressants is to cure depression, and if one is not, then cause depression so it can be cured with other anti-depressants.

I read a NIH report that almost 90% of anti-depressants dont work and 90% of diagnosis are wrong. Diagnosing depression is a subjective and judgement call, and I have not come across a single Psychiatrist who has told his patient that he is not. You go into a Psych office with a view that you are depressed, and so you are.

Show us the link to that NIH report. Thanks.

by pravalika nanda Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:12 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Idéfix wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:ayurveda and siddha medicine should not be put in the same category as homeopathy. there is a great deal of empirical soundness to ayurveda as well as siddha medicine which cannot be said of homeopathy.
I agree.
what's odd is that the very methodical and scientific germans are credited with creating homeopathy.

just one nutty german. they don't rely on it there, do they? but why do you say they're so methodical and scientific? they know how to kill people in huge numbers and make good cars. anything else?

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:15 pm

Idéfix wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Idéfix wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:btw, the neti pot of which i am a huge fan in winter, came out of ayurvedic medicine.
I used to suffer from chronic allergies in Indian cities, because of the polluted air. I was fine after I moved here, but this spring the allergies came back. Perhaps it was my doing yard work for the first time, or perhaps it took my immune system a few years to ratchet up to a level where it reacts to even the lower level of irritants found here compared to India. Whatever it was, I needed antihistamines to get through the day for the first time in years. I hate those antihistamines because they make me drowsy and feel tired even after a full night's sleep, apart from messing with my digestion. I finally heeded my wife's advise and tried neti. I am really happy with the results. I still have the occasional bout of allergies, but I haven't popped antihistamines after the first few days of neti.
Loratadine (claritin) doesn't usually cause drowsiness (in most patients) as long as you can avoid alcohol at the same time (and your kidney and liver are fine). Most people take it in the morning.
Thanks. I was taking Zyrtec because my doctor in India had recommended taking cetirizine. Will try Claritin next time I need an antihistamine.

Well, both kind of work the same way unless you have a decongestant in the Cetirizine you take. Try Claritin and see if it suits you better.

The nasal irrigation that you are trying (neti) is used in yoga (also gastric cleansing - swallowing a bolus of salt solution and throwing up). It is a mechanical way of clearing the canal and can provide some relief.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:18 pm

pravalika nanda wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Idéfix wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:ayurveda and siddha medicine should not be put in the same category as homeopathy. there is a great deal of empirical soundness to ayurveda as well as siddha medicine which cannot be said of homeopathy.
I agree.
what's odd is that the very methodical and scientific germans are credited with creating homeopathy.
just one nutty german. they don't rely on it there, do they? but why do you say they're so methodical and scientific? they know how to kill people in huge numbers and make good cars. anything else?

yes lots of great physics, beer (with a methodical approach), and music.

by pravalika nanda Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:29 pm

Bittu wrote:There are two types of illnesses or afflictions. One that you will recover from and one that you won't. Homeopathy "works" for problems that will heal on their own. Kid runs a fever. Mom gets him some homeopathic meds. Fever goes away in a few days. Mom is convinced the homeopathic meds took out the fever.

It's amazing how supposedly educated people don't get this.

Exactement, give the body a chance to heal itself. I have not encountered any homeopathic types. Family's big on ayurvedic medicine, my great grand dad had all these patras and ancient-looking texts with all sorts of ingredients and methods of preparation of drugs for various ailments. We still have them in India. I guess we do use ayruvedic products (my aunt makes them herself and sends it to my mom) for this and that but it's never been in an intrusive way and no one in the family takes any kind of medicines unless they absolutely have to. The only medication I take is Claritin and I end up taking antibiotcis at least twice every winter....I shouldn't. I've never taken any ayurvedic stuff, unless you count zandu balm.

by pravalika nanda Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:35 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Idéfix wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:ayurveda and siddha medicine should not be put in the same category as homeopathy. there is a great deal of empirical soundness to ayurveda as well as siddha medicine which cannot be said of homeopathy.
I agree.
what's odd is that the very methodical and scientific germans are credited with creating homeopathy.
just one nutty german. they don't rely on it there, do they? but why do you say they're so methodical and scientific? they know how to kill people in huge numbers and make good cars. anything else?
yes lots of great physics, beer (with a methodical approach), and music.

okay, i'll take the physics, music maybe, but making beer is not an achievement. it's shocking that any one likes beer or any type of alcohol for that matter. just like killing animals and serving them up on a platter etc are not achievements. these are all signs of backwardness.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:51 pm

pravalika nanda wrote:
okay, i'll take the physics, music maybe, but making beer is not an achievement. it's shocking that any one likes beer or any type of alcohol for that matter. just like killing animals and serving them up on a platter etc are not achievements. these are all signs of backwardness.

you take that back NOW!

by pravalika nanda Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:57 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote:
okay, i'll take the physics, music maybe, but making beer is not an achievement. it's shocking that any one likes beer or any type of alcohol for that matter. just like killing animals and serving them up on a platter etc are not achievements. these are all signs of backwardness.
you take that back NOW!

ha, never. their achievement is brainwashing intelligent people like you into believing it is one, and to drink it another achievement, and then to form beer clubs. but at least, they're not snobby, and they're not half as full of piss as wine connoiseurs with their constant blabber about antioxidants and resveratrol. you want that shit, eat grapes.

by Guest Wed Aug 14, 2013 9:59 pm

even the beer has to be achievement-worthy, uff.

by Idéfix Wed Aug 14, 2013 10:02 pm

pravalika nanda wrote:but at least, they're not snobby, and they're not half as full of piss as wine connoiseurs with their constant blabber about antioxidants and resveratrol. you want that shit, eat grapes.

Hahaha, you are on fire today. I know a few people who like to brew their own beer. It is best if you know before you meet them that they are into it, so you can avoid beer altogether in their presence, otherwise there is no hope of getting them to stop talking about its intricacies.

by Impedimenta Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:21 pm

oh boy, i wish there was *something* to cure heartburn. I'll take anything Sad

i think tonight is the night i am going to die of heartburn...

by Propagandhi711 Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:47 pm

Pn shut your cheapskate, paranoid fatass and don't feel free to expound on topics you don't know jack abt. For a one dollar tipping nurse you do talk a lot and offer opinions on everything under the sun

by Guest Thu Aug 15, 2013 12:12 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:Pn shut your cheapskate, paranoid fatass and don't feel free to expound on topics you don't know jack abt. For a one dollar tipping nurse you do talk a lot and offer opinions on everything under the sun

heyyyy, be nice, will ya? Razz

by Kris Thu Aug 15, 2013 1:01 am

Bittu wrote:I am intolerant of homeopathy. Last year I found a huge stash of homeopathy meds in my daughter's closet, in a big blue box. At the time, my wife was in India. I emptied the box into the garbage can. When she came back she was pissed. Her mother is a big believer in homeopathy and gets her own meds. She gives them to my kids when they are in bed, just before they fall asleep. Doesn't this stuff contain sugar and isn't that bad for teeth just before sleeping? Why are the kids brushing their teeth if they are going to get a dose of sugar after that? Why are they being given these meds? They are not sick. What are we trying to cure?

My wife says "no harm in it. If these meds don't do any good, they don't do any harm either". This type of "logic" doesn't go down well with me. A friend of ours is now in India and I saw that my wife has sent her email asking her to get some homeopathic meds. I am pissed. Don't know why I'm so pissed. I should probably just let it be and get on with other stuff but I can't seem to do that.

My intolerance for the following increases with each passing year: god, religion, superstition, rituals, astrology, numerology, palmistry, homeopathy, vastu, horoscopes, feng shui...the list is getting long.

>>>>Homeopathy may have some validity. Over the years, some cause/effect correlation must have been observed for it to have survived, although if subjected to the rigor of allopathic medicine a lot of it may fall by the wayside. God and religion and rituals are all man-made constructs, but have some practical value in that they give hope and some idea of a structure in a random universe. I can digest them on that count in broad terms. Astrology, numerology etc. are downright destructive.

by Captain Bhankas Thu Aug 15, 2013 3:59 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:my familiarity with ayurveda is when my father got very seriously sick with hep-b (probably because of his work as an anesthesiologist). leading gastroenterologists in TN told us he only had days or maybe months to live. we consulted an ayurvedist who recommended we treat him with a plant called kIzhAnelli (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phyllanthus_niruri). i would go foraging in the hills and woods surrounding where we lived every single day to look for this plant. my mom would grind it into a pulp which he would ingest. he told us it tasted disgusting, but he recovered rather dramatically and completely after we started him on it.

i still have occasional dreams of wandering around looking for this plant. i'll never forget those distinctive green beads at the bottom of the compound leaves.

i suffered from jaundice when i was in the second year of engineering because of dirty food and water in the hostel. our family physician in my town said that there is no medicine available for jaundice. the best he could do was prescribe liv-52 and complete bed rest. he even said that i need not avoid any foods and that i should eat whenever and whatever i wanted. 4 weeks later, my situation worsened (eating even two glucose biscuits caused nasuea) and my father took me to an ayurvedacharya who was also an expert of nadi pariskha (pulse study). he interviewed me for an hour. later he prescribed me dozens of pills and asked me to avoid oily foods. two days later my appetite started improving and i started consuming bigger portions of food. 4 weeks later i was back to my best.

te salut, ayurveda.

by pravalika nanda Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:04 am

Kris wrote:
Bittu wrote:I am intolerant of homeopathy. Last year I found a huge stash of homeopathy meds in my daughter's closet, in a big blue box. At the time, my wife was in India. I emptied the box into the garbage can. When she came back she was pissed. Her mother is a big believer in homeopathy and gets her own meds. She gives them to my kids when they are in bed, just before they fall asleep. Doesn't this stuff contain sugar and isn't that bad for teeth just before sleeping? Why are the kids brushing their teeth if they are going to get a dose of sugar after that? Why are they being given these meds? They are not sick. What are we trying to cure?

My wife says "no harm in it. If these meds don't do any good, they don't do any harm either". This type of "logic" doesn't go down well with me. A friend of ours is now in India and I saw that my wife has sent her email asking her to get some homeopathic meds. I am pissed. Don't know why I'm so pissed. I should probably just let it be and get on with other stuff but I can't seem to do that.

My intolerance for the following increases with each passing year: god, religion, superstition, rituals, astrology, numerology, palmistry, homeopathy, vastu, horoscopes, feng shui...the list is getting long.

>>>> Astrology, numerology etc. are downright destructive.

yes, there's been too much of that in my family, it's such an effort as a hindu to work past that brainwashing. i hate it.

by pravalika nanda Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:05 am

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:Pn shut your cheapskate, paranoid fatass and don't feel free to expound on topics you don't know jack abt. For a one dollar tipping nurse you do talk a lot and offer opinions on everything under the sun
heyyyy, be nice, will ya?

that was unnecessary.

by pravalika nanda Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:08 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:Pn shut your cheapskate, paranoid fatass and don't feel free to expound on topics you don't know jack abt. For a one dollar tipping nurse you do talk a lot and offer opinions on everything under the sun

oh, how much do you tip? you probably tip cuz you're scared or desperate to have the waitresses to like you.

by Guest Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:18 am

pravalika nanda wrote:
Huzefa Kapasi wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:Pn shut your cheapskate, paranoid fatass and don't feel free to expound on topics you don't know jack abt. For a one dollar tipping nurse you do talk a lot and offer opinions on everything under the sun
heyyyy, be nice, will ya?
that was unnecessary.

Pn shut your cheapskate, paranoid fatass and don't feel free to expound on topics you don't know jack abt. For a one dollar tipping nurse you do talk a lot and offer opinions on everything under the sun

by pravalika nanda Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:22 am

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote:
Huzefa Kapasi wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:Pn shut your cheapskate, paranoid fatass and don't feel free to expound on topics you don't know jack abt. For a one dollar tipping nurse you do talk a lot and offer opinions on everything under the sun
heyyyy, be nice, will ya?
that was unnecessary.
Pn shut your cheapskate, paranoid fatass and don't feel free to expound on topics you don't know jack abt. For a one dollar tipping nurse you do talk a lot and offer opinions on everything under the sun

your idea of comedy?

by Guest Fri Aug 16, 2013 1:31 am

pravalika nanda wrote:
Huzefa Kapasi wrote:
pravalika nanda wrote:
Huzefa Kapasi wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:Pn shut your cheapskate, paranoid fatass and don't feel free to expound on topics you don't know jack abt. For a one dollar tipping nurse you do talk a lot and offer opinions on everything under the sun
heyyyy, be nice, will ya?
that was unnecessary.
Pn shut your cheapskate, paranoid fatass and don't feel free to expound on topics you don't know jack abt. For a one dollar tipping nurse you do talk a lot and offer opinions on everything under the sun
your idea of comedy?

no. it is merely a retraction of my earlier post. i was trying to fall in line.

by confuzzled dude Wed Apr 15, 2015 6:45 pm

http://www.outlookindia.com/article/In-Defense-Of-Homeopathy/294001

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