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Post by Guest Sun Nov 10, 2013 5:21 am

“When the BJP said Modi would make history, did you realise he would literally make it up?” Pertie was laughing but it was a telling point. “If only someone like Zeeks had taught him he wouldn’t have made so many silly errors and embarrassed himself.”

Zeeks was our history tutor at Doon School. The affectionate nickname is how generations of Doscos remember KB Sinha. His history classes were memorable because they were not only enjoyable but also immensely educational. That Pertie could spot Modi’s historical errors is a tribute to Mr Sinha.
“Modi’s made so many bloomers I’m losing count of them. These days, it seems, each time he speaks he manages to get something wrong. I’m tempted to start a catalogue and call it ‘Thus spake Modi’!”

The truth is history is not the only subject where Modi’s lack of accuracy has begun to haunt him.

But, so far, it is the most embarrassing. Even teenagers know that after defeating Porus, Alexander sailed down the Indus and departed India. He never entered the Gangetic plain leave aside face defeat in Bihar.

Any admirer of Ashoka — and they run into hundreds of millions — will tell you his grandfather, Chandragupta, was a Maurya. How come Modi didn’t know that? And even if to his ears it sounds exotic, Taxila hardly sounds Bihari. Unless, of course, he thinks of Bihar as another country!

However, the list of Modi mishaps is not only longer but delightfully undiscriminating. Speaking about China, in tones that suggested admiration, Modi claimed 20% of its GDP was spent on education. The truth is about a fifth of that. So, do you suppose, he doesn’t know China as well as he thinks?

Pontificating about the economy — which he claims to have handled with exemplary skill in Gujarat — Modi declared that in 1947 one rupee was equal to one dollar. The gullible believed him but, alas, he was, once again, wrong. At the time, the rupee was tied to the pound.

This meant you needed just over three to buy a dollar. I accept it requires a bit of mathematical calculation to work this out but is that too much to expect of the man the BJP hopes will be our next prime minister?

Even the facts of Sardar Patel’s life — a man he not only admires but seeks to emulate — are at times beyond his grasp.

The Sardar did not propose reservations for women in the Ahmedabad Municipality in 1919, as Modi claimed at the inauguration of the Vallabhbhai Patel Memorial Museum, an occasion when he should have known what he was saying, but in 1926. So, could it be he doesn’t know his hero as well as he thinks?

“You know what Zeeks would have said if Modi had been in his class?” I could sense Pertie was about to reveal his considered conclusion of Modi’s many mistakes. Consequently, I deliberately didn’t answer and waited for him to speak instead.

“Silly boy!” Pertie roared with laughter, no doubt remembering how often that had been said of him. “If you don’t know what you’re talking about it’s better to keep quiet.”

“That reminds me of something Abraham Lincoln is supposed to have said.” I was desperate to have the last word! “It’s better to keep your mouth-shut and seem a fool than speak out and remove all doubt.”

“Don’t be unkind to Mr Modi”, said Pertie, deflating my pomposity. “He could be our next prime minister.”


http://www.hindustantimes.com/comment/karanthapar/indian-history-to-chinese-economics-modi-makes-serial-mistakes/article1-1149288.aspx

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The Sardar did not propose reservations for women in the Ahmedabad Municipality in 1919, as Modi claimed at the inauguration of the Vallabhbhai Patel Memorial Museum, an occasion when he should have known what he was saying, but in 1926. So, could it be he doesn’t know his hero as well as he thinks?


====> This is splitting hairs. This kind of mistakes hardly matters.

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Post by garam_kuta Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:57 am

His history classes were memorable because they were not only enjoyable but also immensely educational.

- those toffs had their priorities clear in attending school, eh ?  Wink

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:08 pm

What matters most are the lies the CONmen have been promising in every election and failing to deliver since 1947.

All other things are not lies.

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:20 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:What matters most are the lies the CONmen have been promising in every election and failing to deliver since 1947.  

All other things are not lies.
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:35 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:What matters most are the lies the CONmen have been promising in every election and failing to deliver since 1947.  

All other things are not lies.
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There is no need for you to try so hard to look so idiotic....

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Post by Guest Sun Nov 10, 2013 2:46 pm

Gujarat chief minister and BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi got his history twisted again on Sunday, giving his detractors a chance to have a field day on social media platforms.

Addressing a gathering after the inauguration of a multi-speciality hospital in Gujarat's Kheda district, Modi said, "Syama Prasad Mookerjee was a revolutionary. He died in 1930 in London. But the Congress never bothered to bring back his ashes to the country."

Going by the facts, the revolutionary Modi was referring to was Shyamji Krishna Verma, a freedom fighter, lawyer and a journalist.

Mookerjee was the founder of the Jan Sangh, which was later transformed into the BJP. He died in a Jammu and Kashmir prison on June 23, 1953 - 45 days after being detained for entering the state without a permit.

At a rally in Punjab in June this year, Modi had held India's first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for Mookerjee's death.

But on Sunday, Modi said, "Nehru should have sent an emissary to bring the ashes (of Mookerjee) back. The Congress government didn't get them back till 2003. It was me who brought the ashes to India in 2003."

Modi later apologised for the blunder. But his critics on Twitter described him as "his own party's history".


http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/modi-gets-the-facts-wrong-again/article1-1149549.aspx

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Nov 10, 2013 3:29 pm

Rashmun wrote:Gujarat chief minister and BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi got his history twisted again on Sunday, giving his detractors a chance to have a field day on social media platforms.

Addressing a gathering after the inauguration of a multi-speciality hospital in Gujarat's Kheda district, Modi said, "Syama Prasad Mookerjee was a revolutionary. He died in 1930 in London. But the Congress never bothered to bring back his ashes to the country."

Going by the facts, the revolutionary Modi was referring to was Shyamji Krishna Verma, a freedom fighter, lawyer and a journalist.

Mookerjee was the founder of the Jan Sangh, which was later transformed into the BJP. He died in a Jammu and Kashmir prison on June 23, 1953 - 45 days after being detained for entering the state without a permit.

At a rally in Punjab in June this year, Modi had held India's first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for Mookerjee's death.

But on Sunday, Modi said, "Nehru should have sent an emissary to bring the ashes (of Mookerjee) back. The Congress government didn't get them back till 2003. It was me who brought the ashes to India in 2003."

Modi later apologised for the blunder. But his critics on Twitter described him as "his own party's history".


http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/modi-gets-the-facts-wrong-again/article1-1149549.aspx
The truth is he "corrected himself" within 2 minutes...not apologize LATER....

Of course, lying is the talking language of the CONmen and PiSSY media and people.

Have you found evidence for your "Factual and truthful claim" that Muslims formed 15% of Indian population in 1951. Please seek your gay partner Maulana Gaywala and the jealous PiSSY member CD for help.

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Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Gujarat chief minister and BJP's prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi got his history twisted again on Sunday, giving his detractors a chance to have a field day on social media platforms.

Addressing a gathering after the inauguration of a multi-speciality hospital in Gujarat's Kheda district, Modi said, "Syama Prasad Mookerjee was a revolutionary. He died in 1930 in London. But the Congress never bothered to bring back his ashes to the country."

Going by the facts, the revolutionary Modi was referring to was Shyamji Krishna Verma, a freedom fighter, lawyer and a journalist.

Mookerjee was the founder of the Jan Sangh, which was later transformed into the BJP. He died in a Jammu and Kashmir prison on June 23, 1953 - 45 days after being detained for entering the state without a permit.

At a rally in Punjab in June this year, Modi had held India's first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for Mookerjee's death.

But on Sunday, Modi said, "Nehru should have sent an emissary to bring the ashes (of Mookerjee) back. The Congress government didn't get them back till 2003. It was me who brought the ashes to India in 2003."

Modi later apologised for the blunder. But his critics on Twitter described him as "his own party's history".


http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/modi-gets-the-facts-wrong-again/article1-1149549.aspx
The truth is he "corrected himself" within 2 minutes...not apologize LATER....

Of course, lying is the talking language of the CONmen and PiSSY media and people.

Have you found evidence for your "Factual and truthful claim" that Muslims formed 15% of Indian population in 1951.  Please seek your gay partner Maulana Gaywala and the jealous PiSSY member CD for help.
Serial gaffes put Modi on back foot
HT Correspondent, Hindustan Times  New Delhi, November 10, 2013

When Gujarat chief minister and Bharatiya Janata Party's (BJP) prime ministerial candidate Narendra Modi confused freedom fighter Shyamji Krishna Verma with Jan Sangh founder Syama Prasad Mookerjee on Sunday, it was not the first time he tweaked the history books.

With the race to the 2014 Lok Sabha elections getting more intense, Modi's fiery speeches fraught with factual errors are hogging the limelight.

Consider this: at the October 27 rally in Patna, which was held after serial blasts rocked the Bihar capital, Modi made a series of mistakes.

"When we are reminded of the Gupta Dynasty we are reminded of Chandragupta's rajneeti," he said at the rally.

Bihar chief minister and Modi's political rival, Nitish Kumar, replied, saying, "The BJP has amazing grasp of history. They should know Chandragupta was of Maurya dynasty, not of Gupta dynasty."

It did not stop here. At the same rally, Modi went on to add, "Alexander's army conquered the entire world, but was defeated by the Biharis. That's the might of this land."

Kumar once latched on to the opportunity, saying: "Alexander's army never crossed Ganga and he wasn't defeated by the Biharis."

On the same day, Modi triggered another storm in the social media. This time, he said, "Taxlia, the learning hub of ancient times, was in Bihar."

Pat came the reply from Kumar. Taxila, which is in Pakistan, is nowhere near Bihar, he said,

A newspaper quoted Modi saying India's first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru did not attend the funeral of his home minister, Sardar Patel.

Later, the newspaper published a correction saying he had been misquoted. Gujarat chief minister had expressed his thanks by tweeting.

On Sunday, Modi landed in a tight spot once again when Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on Saturday took a dig at the BJP for twisting history.

Addressing a gathering after the inauguration of a hospital in Gujarat's Kheda district, he said, "Syama Prasad Mookerjee was a revolutionary. He died in 1930 in London. But the Congress never bothered to bring back his ashes to the country."

The person Modi was referring to was Shyamji Krishna Verma, a freedom fighter, lawyer and a journalist.

Mookerjee was the founder of the Jan Sangh, which later became the BJP. He died in a Jammu and Kashmir prison on June 23, 1953 - 45 days after being detained for entering the state without a permit.

At a rally in Punjab in June this year, Modi had held India's first Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru responsible for Mookerjee's death.

But on Sunday, Modi said, "Nehru should have sent an emissary to bring the ashes (of Mookerjee) back. The Congress government didn't get them back till 2003. It was me who brought the ashes to India in 2003."

Modi later apologised for the blunder. But his critics on Twitter described him as "his own party's history".


http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/serial-gaffes-put-modi-on-back-foot/article1-1149613.aspx

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:04 pm

i am on his side of the political spectrum, but i find myself thoroughly annoyed with karan thapar's prattling about his doon school experience. nobody cares about you doscos or whatever the heck you want to call yourself! NOBODY CARES! just make your point and stop bloviating about your public school experience already. these guys are comical, aping the aristocrats from brit public schools with their cute nick names (pertie? really? couldn't find anything better than a slight twist on p.g.wodehouse?) for each other.
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MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i am on his side of the political spectrum, but i find myself thoroughly annoyed with karan thapar's prattling about his doon school experience. nobody cares about you doscos or whatever the heck you want to call yourself! NOBODY CARES! just make your point and stop bloviating about your public school experience already. these guys are comical, aping the aristocrats from brit public schools with their cute nick names (pertie? really? couldn't find anything better than a slight twist on p.g.wodehouse?) for each other.
he has happy memories of his school days. he should have the freedom to share those memories.

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So what is it about Doon School that makes adults in their forties, fifties and sixties, as much as lads in their twenties, turn mushy?

To be fair, part of the answer must be the innocence and hope with which a teenager views himself and the world. He’s too young to know his limitations and still unaware of the obstacles that can thwart his ambitions. Dreams seem realizable, odds can be overcome and the world appears a fair place. In this sense, school days are truly idyllic.

What made Doon special was that each of us was treated like an individual. I never felt one of many. I was always aware of my identity, preferences and interests. I hated sport and got teased for it but no one forced me to play. I enjoyed debating and acting and was encouraged to participate. I wrote and read but that too was accepted.

Today, I would claim the story of the Doon School Scholar’s Blazér proves my point. For decades sportsmen were recognized with a coveted deep blue blazer. It made them special. There was nothing similar for the academically inclined. It took years of struggle for the School to admit the need for equivalent treatment.

In 1971 it did. On Founder’s Day that year Col. Simeon, the Headmaster, awarded the first Scholar’s Blazer.

I was thrilled to win it but what followed proved more memorable. “What sort of blazer should it be?” the Headmaster asked. I was non-plussed. All I could think of was an imitation sports blazer. After all, that’s what I had been craving.

“Come on young man”, Col. Simeon admonished, “Yours will be the first. You can create a design the whole School will follow. Do you really want to be a copy cat?”

Even today, almost 40 years later, I can’t believe the HM allowed a teenager to design the Scholar’s Blazer. I chose a conventional double-breasted style in black. And that’s how it’s been ever since.

The pride of Doon is that people like Col. Simeon are not unique. My housemaster, Gurdial Singh, my maths master, Sheel Vohra, my geography tutor, Charlie Kandhari, the head of history, ‘Zeeks’ Sinha, and many others, whose faces I can vividly remember and who’s voices I will never forget, shaped my life. Not simply by telling me what to do but by encouraging me to do it my way. And when I got it wrong – as I often did – they explained that a mistake is not a crime. It’s better to try and fail than never try at all.

That’s the best lesson Doon taught me.


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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:13 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i am on his side of the political spectrum, but i find myself thoroughly annoyed with karan thapar's prattling about his doon school experience. nobody cares about you doscos or whatever the heck you want to call yourself! NOBODY CARES! just make your point and stop bloviating about your public school experience already. these guys are comical, aping the aristocrats from brit public schools with their cute nick names (pertie? really? couldn't find anything better than a slight twist on p.g.wodehouse?) for each other.
hey hey...you calling Doon's school a "Public" school? It is a great school that graduates the likes of Amitabh ji and Rajiv Ji, Scindia Ji, and other Dhilli Jis and not to mention the escape Velocity "Scientist"

Indians love to elevate themselves by linking themselves with big name and big place connections, and hence claim to elevated status. No one can beat Indians in "Big Name" droppings...you know what I mean...u have seen that plenty at conferences.

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Post by Hellsangel Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:14 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i am on his side of the political spectrum, but i find myself thoroughly annoyed with karan thapar's prattling about his doon school experience. nobody cares about you doscos or whatever the heck you want to call yourself! NOBODY CARES! just make your point and stop bloviating about your public school experience already. these guys are comical, aping the aristocrats from brit public schools with their cute nick names (pertie? really? couldn't find anything better than a slight twist on p.g.wodehouse?) for each other.
Hmm. Is it kind of like the bottom layer of IIT grads going on harping about their IIT experience, Il Professor-ai?
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Hellsangel wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i am on his side of the political spectrum, but i find myself thoroughly annoyed with karan thapar's prattling about his doon school experience. nobody cares about you doscos or whatever the heck you want to call yourself! NOBODY CARES! just make your point and stop bloviating about your public school experience already. these guys are comical, aping the aristocrats from brit public schools with their cute nick names (pertie? really? couldn't find anything better than a slight twist on p.g.wodehouse?) for each other.
Hmm. Is it kind of like the bottom layer of IIT grads going on harping about their IIT experience, Il Professor-ai?
Except that Thapar, by his own admission, was a topper at Doon School.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:22 pm

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Except that Thapar, by his own admission, was a topper at Doon School.
Oh really...I did not know he was Gay.

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Post by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:23 pm

brit/indian public school = elite prep school in the US.
don't ask me why. i didn't create the terminology.
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Post by bw Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:47 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i am on his side of the political spectrum, but i find myself thoroughly annoyed with karan thapar's prattling about his doon school experience. nobody cares about you doscos or whatever the heck you want to call yourself! NOBODY CARES! just make your point and stop bloviating about your public school experience already. these guys are comical, aping the aristocrats from brit public schools with their cute nick names (pertie? really? couldn't find anything better than a slight twist on p.g.wodehouse?) for each other.
Hmm. Is it kind of like the bottom layer of IIT grads going on harping about their IIT experience, Il Professor-ai?
haha, the JEE and IIT toppers i know in real life, socially and professionally, hardly ever bring up "when i was in IIT..." stories. in fact, once i asked a person who was a JEE topper about this and he laughed and said "what have i done since then is a more relevant question". i usually nod off when someone starts the "i am an IITian" bragging session and sometimes ask them their JEE rank just to shut them up.


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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Nov 10, 2013 6:49 pm

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haha, the JEE and IIT toppers i know in real life, socially and professionally, hardly ever bring up "when i was in IIT..." stories. in fact, once i asked a person who was a JEE topper about this and he laughed and said  "what have i done since then is a more relevant question". i usually nod off when someone starts the "i am an IITian" bragging session and sometimes ask them their JEE rank just to shut them up.

Well... you have note met me...:p

I admit I am a class topper at Lovedale, Kings College, MIT and Harvard.

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Post by bw Sun Nov 10, 2013 7:06 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
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haha, the JEE and IIT toppers i know in real life, socially and professionally, hardly ever bring up "when i was in IIT..." stories. in fact, once i asked a person who was a JEE topper about this and he laughed and said  "what have i done since then is a more relevant question". i usually nod off when someone starts the "i am an IITian" bragging session and sometimes ask them their JEE rank just to shut them up.

Well... you have note met me...:p

I admit I am a class topper at Lovedale, Kings College, MIT and Harvard.
lovedale a? i've always preferred the montfort products - more gentlemanly.Razz

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:16 pm

bw wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

I admit I am a class topper at Lovedale, Kings College, MIT and Harvard.
lovedale a? i've always preferred the montfort products - more gentlemanly.Razz
Montfort????...Razz I thought very highly of you....now...hm....

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Post by bw Sun Nov 10, 2013 9:35 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

I admit I am a class topper at Lovedale, Kings College, MIT and Harvard.
lovedale a? i've always preferred the montfort products - more gentlemanly.Razz
Montfort????...Razz  I thought very highly of you....now...hm....
lovedale products i knew were all bayangara bandhas, dashing about in their cars/bikes. montfort ones had class and humility.




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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Nov 10, 2013 10:43 pm

bw wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

I admit I am a class topper at Lovedale, Kings College, MIT and Harvard.
lovedale a? i've always preferred the montfort products - more gentlemanly.Razz
Montfort????...Razz  I thought very highly of you....now...hm....
lovedale products i knew were all bayangara bandhas, dashing about in their cars/bikes. montfort ones had class and humility.
yeah..I know...all rich kids....But, there are always exceptions you know...Wink

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Post by bw Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:11 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

I admit I am a class topper at Lovedale, Kings College, MIT and Harvard.
lovedale a? i've always preferred the montfort products - more gentlemanly.Razz
Montfort????...Razz  I thought very highly of you....now...hm....
lovedale products i knew were all bayangara bandhas, dashing about in their cars/bikes. montfort ones had class and humility.
yeah..I know...all rich kids....But, there are always exceptions you know...Wink
montfort also had only rich kids. anyway, i prefer yercaud to ooty. it seemed more pristine back then.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:59 pm

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montfort also had only rich kids. anyway, i prefer yercaud to ooty. it seemed more pristine back then.
With Salem growing very fast, yercaud is getting the development fever.. Salem is now almost at its foothills.

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Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
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montfort also had only rich kids. anyway, i prefer yercaud to ooty. it seemed more pristine back then.
With Salem growing very fast, yercaud is getting the development fever..  Salem is now almost at its foothills.
Damn! Lovedale/Lawrence is not even listed here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_schools_in_India#Tamil_Nadu
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Post by Kris Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:10 pm

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Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

I admit I am a class topper at Lovedale, Kings College, MIT and Harvard.
lovedale a? i've always preferred the montfort products - more gentlemanly.Razz
Montfort????...Razz  I thought very highly of you....now...hm....
>>>What is Montfort? I know Lovedale. I had one friend who went there. The closest I have come to these schools is when an ex-colleague (east coast prep school type) asked me if I had a head-master in my school and I said 'yes' and asked me if it was a 'pubic school" and I said 'yes'. He made the assumption that it was like the British model.  yes, for the princely  sum of about 12 rupees a year, I became an etonian. Now, if only I had had friends like Pertie and Zeeks..

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Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
bw wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

I admit I am a class topper at Lovedale, Kings College, MIT and Harvard.
lovedale a? i've always preferred the montfort products - more gentlemanly.Razz
Montfort????...Razz  I thought very highly of you....now...hm....
>>>What is Montfort? I know Lovedale. I had one friend who went there. The closest I have come to these schools is when an ex-colleague (east coast prep school type) asked me if I had a head-master in my school and I said 'yes' and asked me if it was a 'pubic school" and I said 'yes'. He made the assumption that it was like the British model.  yes, for the princely  sum of about 12 rupees a year, I became an etonian. Now, if only I had had friends like Pertie and Zeeks..
Shashi Tharoor's alma mater.
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