pravalika nanda wrote:look, dude, the way your title started i actually thought it was going to be a diff topic but before this turns into a protracted emotive thread, let me give you my 3.31:

if the Ks gave the maid 20K over 12 mos for her to get room and board elsewhere, then you have a valid point. but if she was living with them 24/7, it actually means that she was working for them 24/7.

would you like to live with your boss 24/7? do you imagine he will not assign you work or that you will not feel compelled to act like an employee if some small task comes up? you don't get off when you live 24/7 with the boss. imagine being on call for a whole year, very depressing, w/o any privacy. Imagine living in Columbus circle or wherever always at the beck and call of these arseholes and not being able to afford your own private little hole in the basement of small house in Jackson heights.

Heck, i couldn't live 24/7 with my mom and she'd be the one taking such wonderful care of me!

pravalika nanda wrote:look, dude, the way your title started i actually thought it was going to be a diff topic but before this turns into a protracted emotive thread, let me give you my 3.31:

if the Ks gave the maid 20K over 12 mos for her to get room and board elsewhere, then you have a valid point. but if she was living with them 24/7, it actually means that she was working for them 24/7.

would you like to live with your boss 24/7? do you imagine he will not assign you work or that you will not feel compelled to act like an employee if some small task comes up? you don't get off when you live 24/7 with the boss. imagine being on call for a whole year, very depressing, w/o any privacy. Imagine living in Columbus circle or wherever always at the beck and call of these arseholes and not being able to afford your own private little hole in the basement of small house in Jackson heights.

Heck, i couldn't live 24/7 with my mom and she'd be the one taking such wonderful care of me!

confuzzled dude wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:look, dude, the way your title started i actually thought it was going to be a diff topic but before this turns into a protracted emotive thread, let me give you my 3.31:

if the Ks gave the maid 20K over 12 mos for her to get room and board elsewhere, then you have a valid point. but if she was living with them 24/7, it actually means that she was working for them 24/7.

would you like to live with your boss 24/7? do you imagine he will not assign you work or that you will not feel compelled to act like an employee if some small task comes up? you don't get off when you live 24/7 with the boss. imagine being on call for a whole year, very depressing, w/o any privacy. Imagine living in Columbus circle or wherever always at the beck and call of these arseholes and not being able to afford your own private little hole in the basement of small house in Jackson heights.

Heck, i couldn't live 24/7 with my mom and she'd be the one taking such wonderful care of me!

ever heard of live-in nannies, do you think they pay them on 24/7 basis? it's not an alien concept to Americans; it's just that in this case they're obsessed with buzzword called human-trafficking and want to feel good by imagining that they've saved someones life, however, in reality, which may have been the opposite. I'm not sure her family even with green card will have that much better life in the USA, 7/11s and wal-marts don't exactly offer great salaries.

pravalika nanda wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:look, dude, the way your title started i actually thought it was going to be a diff topic but before this turns into a protracted emotive thread, let me give you my 3.31:

if the Ks gave the maid 20K over 12 mos for her to get room and board elsewhere, then you have a valid point. but if she was living with them 24/7, it actually means that she was working for them 24/7.

would you like to live with your boss 24/7? do you imagine he will not assign you work or that you will not feel compelled to act like an employee if some small task comes up? you don't get off when you live 24/7 with the boss. imagine being on call for a whole year, very depressing, w/o any privacy. Imagine living in Columbus circle or wherever always at the beck and call of these arseholes and not being able to afford your own private little hole in the basement of small house in Jackson heights.

Heck, i couldn't live 24/7 with my mom and she'd be the one taking such wonderful care of me!

ever heard of live-in nannies, do you think they pay them on 24/7 basis? it's not an alien concept to Americans; it's just that in this case they're obsessed with buzzword called human-trafficking and want to feel good by imagining that they've saved someones life, however, in reality, which may have been the opposite. I'm not sure her family even with green card will have that much better life in the USA, 7/11s and wal-marts don't exactly offer great salaries.

i have heard of a live-in nanny who makes 5K per month because that is what a colleague of mine pays her.

a family of three can have a safe, comfortable, healthy and happy life with 80k per annum in any small city in America.

confuzzled dude wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:look, dude, the way your title started i actually thought it was going to be a diff topic but before this turns into a protracted emotive thread, let me give you my 3.31:

if the Ks gave the maid 20K over 12 mos for her to get room and board elsewhere, then you have a valid point. but if she was living with them 24/7, it actually means that she was working for them 24/7.

would you like to live with your boss 24/7? do you imagine he will not assign you work or that you will not feel compelled to act like an employee if some small task comes up? you don't get off when you live 24/7 with the boss. imagine being on call for a whole year, very depressing, w/o any privacy. Imagine living in Columbus circle or wherever always at the beck and call of these arseholes and not being able to afford your own private little hole in the basement of small house in Jackson heights.

Heck, i couldn't live 24/7 with my mom and she'd be the one taking such wonderful care of me!

ever heard of live-in nannies, do you think they pay them on 24/7 basis? it's not an alien concept to Americans; it's just that in this case they're obsessed with buzzword called human-trafficking and want to feel good by imagining that they've saved someones life, however, in reality, which may have been the opposite. I'm not sure her family even with green card will have that much better life in the USA, 7/11s and wal-marts don't exactly offer great salaries.

i have heard of a live-in nanny who makes 5K per month because that is what a colleague of mine pays her.

a family of three can have a safe, comfortable, healthy and happy life with 80k per annum in any small city in America.

80k per annum is like $20/hr, wonder which of the small towns offer that kinds of pay (for what kind of jobs?)

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:look, dude, the way your title started i actually thought it was going to be a diff topic but before this turns into a protracted emotive thread, let me give you my 3.31:

if the Ks gave the maid 20K over 12 mos for her to get room and board elsewhere, then you have a valid point. but if she was living with them 24/7, it actually means that she was working for them 24/7.

would you like to live with your boss 24/7? do you imagine he will not assign you work or that you will not feel compelled to act like an employee if some small task comes up? you don't get off when you live 24/7 with the boss. imagine being on call for a whole year, very depressing, w/o any privacy. Imagine living in Columbus circle or wherever always at the beck and call of these arseholes and not being able to afford your own private little hole in the basement of small house in Jackson heights.

Heck, i couldn't live 24/7 with my mom and she'd be the one taking such wonderful care of me!

ever heard of live-in nannies, do you think they pay them on 24/7 basis? it's not an alien concept to Americans; it's just that in this case they're obsessed with buzzword called human-trafficking and want to feel good by imagining that they've saved someones life, however, in reality, which may have been the opposite. I'm not sure her family even with green card will have that much better life in the USA, 7/11s and wal-marts don't exactly offer great salaries.

i have heard of a live-in nanny who makes 5K per month because that is what a colleague of mine pays her.

a family of three can have a safe, comfortable, healthy and happy life with 80k per annum in any small city in America.

80k per annum is like $20/hr, wonder which of the small towns offer that kinds of pay (for what kind of jobs?)

How many hours per week?

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

"Philip Richard, the husband of housekeeper Sangeeta Richard, alleged in documents filed in India and first reported on by Outlook India that consular official Khobragade worked his wife from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. every day"

-> What was she doing that many hours, watching the paint dry. Unless she was cooking for 10s of guests everyday, anyone who lives in the USA would have hard time believing that she would've that much of workload working for a family of 4, and how big is the place they're living in, a 10,000 sqft mansion?

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

"Philip Richard, the husband of housekeeper Sangeeta Richard, alleged in documents filed in India and first reported on by Outlook India that consular official Khobragade worked his wife from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. every day"

-> What was she doing that many hours, watching the paint dry. Unless she was cooking for 10s of guests everyday, anyone who lives in the USA would have hard time believing that she would've that much of workload working for a family of 4, and how big is the place they're living in, a 10,000 sqft mansion?

You have absolutely no idea about how much work is involved in taking care of two small children and doing all the household chores.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

"Philip Richard, the husband of housekeeper Sangeeta Richard, alleged in documents filed in India and first reported on by Outlook India that consular official Khobragade worked his wife from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. every day"

-> What was she doing that many hours, watching the paint dry. Unless she was cooking for 10s of guests everyday, anyone who lives in the USA would have hard time believing that she would've that much of workload working for a family of 4, and how big is the place they're living in, a 10,000 sqft mansion?

You have absolutely no idea about how much work is involved in taking care of two small children and doing all the household chores.

If you say so. They've school going children, don't they?

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

nevada wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

From the Foxnews article:

That treatment, according to the documents, included attempts by Uttar Khobragade, Devyani's father and a former civil servant, to hush up the complaints by sending the police to harass members of Richard's family.

Richard's daughter, Jennifer, also wrote to U.S. officials to complain that Khobragade had refused to allow the housekeeper to return to India, saying "My mother used to sound unhappy whenever she talked to us on phone.She asked Devyani to send her back to India but Devyani refused her request."

Just as I had suspected. Below is what I posted in another thread a few days ago. https://such.forumotion.com/t18638-one-constituency-that-nobody-thought-to-interview#133975

"Why do you assume that the maid is a scheming crook? Maybe she was tired of working way more than 40 hrs per week and was threatened by Cobragate with bad consequences not only for her but for her family in India when she told her she couldn't continue like this any more and begged for a ticket back to India. "

confuzzled dude wrote:

nevada wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

From the Foxnews article:

That treatment, according to the documents, included attempts by Uttar Khobragade, Devyani's father and a former civil servant, to hush up the complaints by sending the police to harass members of Richard's family.

Richard's daughter, Jennifer, also wrote to U.S. officials to complain that Khobragade had refused to allow the housekeeper to return to India, saying "My mother used to sound unhappy whenever she talked to us on phone.She asked Devyani to send her back to India but Devyani refused her request."

Just as I had suspected. Below is what I posted in another thread a few days ago. https://such.forumotion.com/t18638-one-constituency-that-nobody-thought-to-interview#133975

"Why do you assume that the maid is a scheming crook? Maybe she was tired of working way more than 40 hrs per week and was threatened by Cobragate with bad consequences not only for her but for her family in India when she told her she couldn't continue like this any more and begged for a ticket back to India. "

Devyani's father who lives in Mumbai has so much influence on Delhi Police! What is he PM's principal secretary? Check the below out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2526067/Decoding-Khobragade-controversy-How-row-maids-visa-sparked-scale-diplomatic-incident.html

nevada wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

nevada wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

From the Foxnews article:

That treatment, according to the documents, included attempts by Uttar Khobragade, Devyani's father and a former civil servant, to hush up the complaints by sending the police to harass members of Richard's family.

Richard's daughter, Jennifer, also wrote to U.S. officials to complain that Khobragade had refused to allow the housekeeper to return to India, saying "My mother used to sound unhappy whenever she talked to us on phone.She asked Devyani to send her back to India but Devyani refused her request."

Just as I had suspected. Below is what I posted in another thread a few days ago. https://such.forumotion.com/t18638-one-constituency-that-nobody-thought-to-interview#133975

"Why do you assume that the maid is a scheming crook? Maybe she was tired of working way more than 40 hrs per week and was threatened by Cobragate with bad consequences not only for her but for her family in India when she told her she couldn't continue like this any more and begged for a ticket back to India. "

Devyani's father who lives in Mumbai has so much influence on Delhi Police! What is he PM's principal secretary? Check the below out.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-2526067/Decoding-Khobragade-controversy-How-row-maids-visa-sparked-scale-diplomatic-incident.html

Influence on Delhi police? That's nothing. Kobragade has the government of India fighting on his daughter's behalf.

nevada wrote:Yeah, this might be a "routine" case in India. But the perpetrator is an SC, the father repeatedly brought up the SC angle and how can the GOI not "defend" her?

confuzzled dude wrote:Devyani's father who lives in Mumbai has so much influence on Delhi Police!

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:Devyani's father who lives in Mumbai has so much influence on Delhi Police!

Uttam Khobragade was the blue-eyed boy of Sushil Shinde, which is why he got away with all the things he did. And Shinde is the Union Home Minister. Delhi cops will do cartwheels in public if Khobragade wants them to.

confuzzled dude wrote:

nevada wrote:Yeah, this might be a "routine" case in India. But the perpetrator is an SC, the father repeatedly brought up the SC angle and how can the GOI not "defend" her?

Thanks for the laughs.

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

nevada wrote:Yeah, this might be a "routine" case in India. But the perpetrator is an SC, the father repeatedly brought up the SC angle and how can the GOI not "defend" her?

Thanks for the laughs.

What kind of a commie Utopia do you live in, in your head that you find this funny? This is par for the course in India.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

nevada wrote:Yeah, this might be a "routine" case in India. But the perpetrator is an SC, the father repeatedly brought up the SC angle and how can the GOI not "defend" her?

Thanks for the laughs.

What kind of a commie Utopia do you live in, in your head that you find this funny? This is par for the course in India.

our wapo warrior is a bleeding heart liberal & near communist in america but a status quo feudal lord in india.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

"Philip Richard, the husband of housekeeper Sangeeta Richard, alleged in documents filed in India and first reported on by Outlook India that consular official Khobragade worked his wife from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. every day"

-> What was she doing that many hours, watching the paint dry. Unless she was cooking for 10s of guests everyday, anyone who lives in the USA would have hard time believing that she would've that much of workload working for a family of 4, and how big is the place they're living in, a 10,000 sqft mansion?

bw wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

"Philip Richard, the husband of housekeeper Sangeeta Richard, alleged in documents filed in India and first reported on by Outlook India that consular official Khobragade worked his wife from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. every day"

-> What was she doing that many hours, watching the paint dry. Unless she was cooking for 10s of guests everyday, anyone who lives in the USA would have hard time believing that she would've that much of workload working for a family of 4, and how big is the place they're living in, a 10,000 sqft mansion?

most live-in maids are expected to be around pretty much any time the employer wants them. they may not be busy all the time but are "on-call" 24/7 at least 6 days a week and have no fixed work hours.

confuzzled dude wrote:

bw wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:Slavery-like conditions.

The other side of the story

"Philip Richard, the husband of housekeeper Sangeeta Richard, alleged in documents filed in India and first reported on by Outlook India that consular official Khobragade worked his wife from 6 a.m. to 11 p.m. every day"

-> What was she doing that many hours, watching the paint dry. Unless she was cooking for 10s of guests everyday, anyone who lives in the USA would have hard time believing that she would've that much of workload working for a family of 4, and how big is the place they're living in, a 10,000 sqft mansion?

most live-in maids are expected to be around pretty much any time the employer wants them. they may not be busy all the time but are "on-call" 24/7 at least 6 days a week and have no fixed work hours.

I get it. I've had friends who hired live-in nannies I do know how that works but my point was she couldn't have been busy all the time unless everything is dumped on her, hard to imagine that given DK's husband is American born & raised.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

nevada wrote:Yeah, this might be a "routine" case in India. But the perpetrator is an SC, the father repeatedly brought up the SC angle and how can the GOI not "defend" her?

Thanks for the laughs.

What kind of a commie Utopia do you live in, in your head that you find this funny? This is par for the course in India.

our wapo warrior is a bleeding heart liberal & near communist in america but a status quo feudal lord in india.

Anyone that thinks that suggesting maid is not innocent is automatically supporting Devyani should get their head examined.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Thanks for the laughs.

What kind of a commie Utopia do you live in, in your head that you find this funny? This is par for the course in India.

our wapo warrior is a bleeding heart liberal & near communist in america but a status quo feudal lord in india.

Anyone that thinks that suggesting maid is not innocent is automatically supporting Devyani should get their head examined.

please gloss over the corrupt crook and his daughter's history of malfeasance but continue to split hairs over whether this maid fucked off for 2 hrs a day watching tv when she should be working harder to earn that 3.31 and had ulterior motives at heart. we all know maids are supposed to hold up their end of the bargain being highest paragons of virtue while working for peanuts and the overlords motives and documented past behavior are to be ignored when making value judgements that lead to pronouncement of guilt or innocence. also dont forget to be righteously outraged with an oddly placed exclamation mark that americans are always overstepping their boundaries and being bullies in their land trying to enforce their rules without due consideration to cultural subtleties. and finally tie it to other pesky american penchant oppressing your favorite reston kebab makers.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Anyone that thinks that suggesting maid is not innocent is automatically supporting Devyani should get their head examined.

please gloss over the corrupt crook and his daughter's history of malfeasance but continue to split hairs over whether this maid fucked off for 2 hrs a day watching tv when she should be working harder to earn that 3.31 and had ulterior motives at heart. we all know maids are supposed to hold up their end of the bargain being highest paragons of virtue while working for peanuts and the overlords motives and documented past behavior are to be ignored when making value judgements that lead to pronouncement of guilt or innocence. also dont forget to be righteously outraged with an oddly placed exclamation mark that americans are always overstepping their boundaries and being bullies in their land trying to enforce their rules without due consideration to cultural subtleties. and finally tie it to other pesky american penchant oppressing your favorite reston kebab makers.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Anyone that thinks that suggesting maid is not innocent is automatically supporting Devyani should get their head examined.

please gloss over the corrupt crook and his daughter's history of malfeasance but continue to split hairs over whether this maid fucked off for 2 hrs a day watching tv when she should be working harder to earn that 3.31 and had ulterior motives at heart. we all know maids are supposed to hold up their end of the bargain being highest paragons of virtue while working for peanuts and the overlords motives and documented past behavior are to be ignored when making value judgements that lead to pronouncement of guilt or innocence. also dont forget to be righteously outraged with an oddly placed exclamation mark that americans are always overstepping their boundaries and being bullies in their land trying to enforce their rules without due consideration to cultural subtleties. and finally tie it to other pesky american penchant oppressing your favorite reston kebab makers.

I thought Republicans are against legalizing illegal immigrants. Are you upset bcz Tony Romo is injured and Eagles will kick Cowboys a$$ this Sunday.

Hellsangel wrote:

Who is the illegal immigrant in this case, again? Nice deflection there in the italics.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

Who is the illegal immigrant in this case, again? Nice deflection there in the italics.

Richard's passport is revoked and notice for termination of her personal identity also given to OFM with effect from June 22, 2013. Richard is now staying illegally in the US

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/in-dispute-over-indian-diplomat-an-internal-us-rift-and-many-unanswered-questions/2013/12/19/0a84f21c-68dd-11e3-ae56-22de072140a2_story.html wrote:
Harf also confirmed that Richard’s husband and children were now in the United States, after being issued visas by the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi. She declined to provide specifics but said, “We are aware of the existence of allegations that the family was intimidated in India.”