Re: when you research Ashkenazi...you end up with....

by Hellsangel Wed Feb 12, 2014 10:37 pm

Silly Point wrote:*ignore*

You shouldn't cross Iyer biker chicks that can cuss like a sailor and who can drink you under the table..

*trying to be nice*
Krithi

Hmm.

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:00 am

by Petrichor Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:36 am

"What is exotic in India is that only a fraction of its smart children find the opportunities to excel. The rest are doomed, making success undeservedly easy for the rich."

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/13/world/asia/high-intelligence-not-limited-by-class.html?src=rechp&_r=0

and so, ask yourself again ....

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:32 pm

So who are these tribal people who are scoring high on Mensa tests?

Are they the lost tribe of Isreal? Relatives of dispersed Ashkenazi Jews?

by Petrichor Thu Feb 13, 2014 12:46 pm

truthbetold wrote:So who are these tribal people who are scoring high on Mensa tests?

Are they the lost tribe of Isreal? Relatives of dispersed Ashkenazi Jews?

Where does the *truth* lie?

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:01 pm

Petrichor

Truth needs to be "uncovered" (as in tear down masks)

by Rishi Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:17 pm

truthbetold wrote:Petrichor

Truth needs to be "uncovered" (as in tear down masks)

TBT,

I am not surprised by the results of the Mensa tests which showed that the tribal girls were very intelligent.

Btw what is this thing about Jews having the high IQ?

The truth of the matter is they are very aggressive in their chosen fields. It is a cultural trait.

by Petrichor Thu Feb 13, 2014 1:35 pm

tbt - what do you believe? do you believe IQ is hereditary? do you see any conflict with tribal children in India scoring high on Mensa?

and while we are at it, why don't you tell us what the "mask" is and how you are "uncovering" it?

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:36 pm

Rishi wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Petrichor

Truth needs to be "uncovered" (as in tear down masks)

TBT,

I am not surprised by the results of the Mensa tests which showed that the tribal girls were very intelligent.

Btw what is this thing about Jews having the high IQ?

TBT comment - Rishi, Is this a question/comment? or Are you asking me a question? Assuming you are asking me a question, why are you asking me that question?

The truth of the matter is they are very aggressive in their chosen fields. It is a cultural trait.

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 2:44 pm

I am a member of Mensa btw

*bragging*

Krithi *totally Iyer*

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:03 pm

Petrichor wrote:tbt - what do you believe? do you believe IQ is hereditary? do you see any conflict with tribal children in India scoring high on Mensa?

TBT Comment - I am trained to wonder about outliers. In this case it is a positive surprise.

and while we are at it, why don't you tell us what the "mask" is and how you are "uncovering" it?

Petrichor,

I am trying to understand the motives of why someone would post the list in the first post of this thread?

Now the other question:

IQ is hereditary. Obviously not. IQ is just a measurement technique.

Bonus question? (you have not asked but for some reason i feel somebody wants to know)

Are some groups of people smarter than others? Is intelligence a hereditary characteristic?

I do not know. I have some beliefs that I constatntly test and refine. I will add more details in subsequent posts.

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:20 pm

Silly Point wrote:I am a member of Mensa btw

*bragging*

Krithi *totally Iyer*

SP,

Yeah. You have to brag. Iyyengars do not have to. Rest of us already know.

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 3:41 pm

Petrichor,

To continue my post above:

Here are some observations:

1. Tam Brahms are the most successful brahmin group in educational achievement among Indians.

2. Marwadis are most successful businessmen among Indians.

3. Patels of Gujarat are the most enterprising among Indians.

4. Maharastra Saraswat Brahmins are the most arrogant group of SOBs.

What do they tell us about intelligence, skills, success and happiness?

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:04 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Silly Point wrote:I am a member of Mensa btw

*bragging*

Krithi *totally Iyer*
SP,

Yeah. You have to brag. Iyyengars do not have to. Rest of us already know.

Iyyerngars are my brothers and sisters..

I was *bragging* as SP not as an Iyer..

As an Iyer I know i am proud of my heritage..

other than that..

*air kisses and bear hugz*

Krithi..

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:08 pm

Silly Point wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Silly Point wrote:I am a member of Mensa btw

*bragging*

Krithi *totally Iyer*
SP,

Yeah. You have to brag. Iyyengars do not have to. Rest of us already know.

Iyyerngars are my brothers and sisters..

I was *bragging* as SP not as an Iyer..

As an Iyer I know i am proud of my heritage..

other than that..

*air kisses and bear hugz*

Krithi..

Oh. My bad. That "totally Iyer" threw me off.
I thought you want to limit your choice of partners to Iyers only. Is there a change of heart? or Are IyyeRngars only good as brothers and sisters?

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:17 pm

I am an equal oppurtunity Lover so i make no such distinctshuns..

how about you? you stick to Iyyengars only?

*Kurious*

*air kisses*

Krithi

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:28 pm

Iyer or Iyyengar or whatever I am partial to tall girls. My life choices reflect that.

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:39 pm

OMG.. me too.. what a koincidence!!!!

*air kisses and bear hugz*

PS Kurious as to how tall you be Smile

by garam_kuta Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:41 pm

ah...a good choice?
when you research Ashkenazi...you end up with.... - Page 2 51mvASiYDtL

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:44 pm

lol...

I don't know if i want to drink an old fashioned Iyengar Very Happy

*air kisses*

Krithi

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:45 pm

Most of the men in my extended family are around 6'.

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 4:47 pm

I am glad for them.. but what about you??

*air kisses and bear hugz*

Krithi

by Hellsangel Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:22 pm

Silly Point wrote:hmm?

BAC calculator Formula:
BAC% = (A × 5.14/W × r) - .015 × H
Where:
A: Total alcohol consumed, in ounces (oz)
W: Body weight, in pounds (lbs)
r: The alcohol distribution ratio, 0.73 for man, and 0.66 for women
H: Time passed since drinking, in hours

So for BAC to be low, guess what has to be high.

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:37 pm

Petrichor
In an earlier post I made 4 observations.

It may sound corny but I am interested in understanding the success factors of groups like these so that they can be extended to the wider society.

Based on my limited research broad success factors fall into categories such as hereditary or genetics, cultural, individual effort or hardwork, external environment, and random events of life.

I look for cultural traits or techniques such as learning and reading habits of tam Brahms or financial accounting methods of marwaris or networking of patels that can be identified and transferred to other groups willing to learn and gain from these techniques.

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:43 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Silly Point wrote:hmm?

BAC calculator Formula:
BAC% = (A × 5.14/W × r) - .015 × H
Where:
A: Total alcohol consumed, in ounces (oz)
W: Body weight, in pounds (lbs)
r: The alcohol distribution ratio, 0.73 for man, and 0.66 for women
H: Time passed since drinking, in hours

So for BAC to be low, guess what has to be high.

*bored*

So if you have a point please make it..
not in the mood to do a math problem to then understand your pakaoed point

*allergic to math*
Krithi

by Hellsangel Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:45 pm

Silly Point wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Silly Point wrote:hmm?

BAC calculator Formula:
BAC% = (A × 5.14/W × r) - .015 × H
Where:
A: Total alcohol consumed, in ounces (oz)
W: Body weight, in pounds (lbs)
r: The alcohol distribution ratio, 0.73 for man, and 0.66 for women
H: Time passed since drinking, in hours

So for BAC to be low, guess what has to be high.
*bored*

So if you have a point please make it..
not in the mood to do a math problem to then understand your pakaoed point

*allergic to math*
Krithi

And you are in Mensa?

by Rishi Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:47 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Silly Point wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Silly Point wrote:hmm?

BAC calculator Formula:
BAC% = (A × 5.14/W × r) - .015 × H
Where:
A: Total alcohol consumed, in ounces (oz)
W: Body weight, in pounds (lbs)
r: The alcohol distribution ratio, 0.73 for man, and 0.66 for women
H: Time passed since drinking, in hours

So for BAC to be low, guess what has to be high.
*bored*

So if you have a point please make it..
not in the mood to do a math problem to then understand your pakaoed point

*allergic to math*
Krithi

And you are in Mensa?

ROFL.

HA, You are one sharp cookie!

by Petrichor Thu Feb 13, 2014 6:58 pm

tbt - it is a fraught topic and you seem to take a pragmatic approach which is similar to mine. My interest was in considering Amy Chua-Rubenfeld theories on culture and what that means for these variations including things like IQ. While I had dismissed their theory especially as it applied to "cultures" as unfair profiling and stereotyping, the more I listened to them either through their Tom Ashbrook interview or critiques coming from all over (Slate, Times etc.), I was trying to see what exactly one can glean from their triple package theory. And to me, it felt more and more to be identification of the individual's traits that would help them reach their fullest potential - a weird combination of superiority and insecurity, together with impulse control seemed like the ticket. Now the source of superiority may be rooted in culture, place, language, sex, race, organization etc. etc. The insecurity might be an acute sense of "drive" or hunger. And here I agree with the position you are taking - there are different groups that use different tropes to give them that source of superiority. To mock those is only to invite further 'studies' documenting this or that superiority metric. If the main criticism of the triple package theory is that it has the building elements of racism then that is a fair point. It seems that if you have "arrived" as the Asians have in campuses around this country, it is no longer acceptable for you to discuss the "source of your superiority" in public domain. These are matters that must be whispered indoors to little kids to create the fierce "drive" that Chua is privileging over all else. More later...

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:01 pm

I am allergic to math that does not mean i CAN'T do math..
I am allergic to you but does not mean i CAN't Do you..

*simple logic*

Like I said.. *bored*

PS: Being in Mensa doesn't mean you do math all the effin time.. You are allowed not to be in the mood to do something..

*jackass*

Krithi

by Rishi Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:03 pm

Petrichor wrote:tbt - it is a fraught topic and you seem to take a pragmatic approach which is similar to mine. My interest was in considering Amy Chua-Rubenfeld theories on culture and what that means for these variations including things like IQ. While I had dismissed their theory especially as it applied to "cultures" as unfair profiling and stereotyping, the more I listened to them either through their Tom Ashbrook interview or critiques coming from all over (Slate, Times etc.), I was trying to see what exactly one can glean from their triple package theory. And to me, it felt more and more to be identification of the individual's traits that would help them reach their fullest potential - a weird combination of superiority and insecurity, together with impulse control seemed like the ticket. Now the source of superiority may be rooted in culture, place, language, sex, race, organization etc. etc. The insecurity might be an acute sense of "drive" or hunger. And here I agree with the position you are taking - there are different groups that use different tropes to give them that source of superiority. To mock those is only to invite further 'studies' documenting this or that superiority metric. If the main criticism of the triple package theory is that it has the building elements of racism then that is a fair point. It seems that if you have "arrived" as the Asians have in campuses around this country, it is no longer acceptable for you to discuss the "source of your superiority" in public domain. These are matters that must be whispered indoors to little kids to create the fierce "drive" that Chua is privileging over all else. More later...

>>> What is a fraught topic?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fraught?s=t

by Hellsangel Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:06 pm

Silly Point wrote:I am allergic to math that does not mean i CAN'T do math..
I am allergic to you but does not mean i CAN't Do you..

*simple logic*

Like I said.. *bored*

PS: Being in Mensa doesn't mean you do math all the effin time.. You are allowed not to be in the mood to do something..

*jackass*

Krithi

Dear 'Krithi',
Don't try to overcompensate so much. You couldn't pay me enough to be 'done by you'

by Petrichor Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:17 pm

Rishi-

fraught topic = a topic fraught with risks
google search "fraught topic" with the double quotes.

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:20 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Silly Point wrote:I am allergic to math that does not mean i CAN'T do math..
I am allergic to you but does not mean i CAN't Do you..

*simple logic*

Like I said.. *bored*

PS: Being in Mensa doesn't mean you do math all the effin time.. You are allowed not to be in the mood to do something..

*jackass*

Krithi

Dear 'Krithi',
Don't try to overcompensate so much. You couldn't pay me enough to be 'done by you'

Dear HA,

I am not trying to over compensate here..
Please don't call yourself a Whore.. it hurts my feelings when you refers to yourself in such a fashion

*sad*

Krithi

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:30 pm

Petrichor
By the way what does your handle mean?

I am not well versed on the triple package.

I may be somewhat instinctively biased against hereditary theories because that reality means we are dealing with material that is limited in supply and non transferrable between groups or individuals.

by truthbetold Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:37 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Silly Point wrote:I am allergic to math that does not mean i CAN'T do math..
I am allergic to you but does not mean i CAN't Do you..
*simple logic*
Like I said.. *bored*

PS: Being in Mensa doesn't mean you do math all the effin time.. You are allowed not to be in the mood to do something..
*jackass*

Krithi

Dear 'Krithi',
Don't try to overcompensate so much. You couldn't pay me enough to be 'done by you'

Ha
this round goes to silly point. "Cannot do math but can do you". That should be in such hall of fame quotes.

by Petrichor Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:43 pm

truthbetold wrote:Petrichor
By the way what does your handle mean?

I am not well versed on the triple package.

I may be somewhat instinctively biased against hereditary theories because that reality means we are dealing with material that is limited in supply and non transferrable between groups or individuals.

google is your friend Smile

And yes, in reality we may be dealing with only half a deck of cards - let the data/evidence/studies lead us where they may - i have yet to see large-scale repudiation of well-done and cited academic studies. it may be better to work with the cards we are dealt than wring our hands trying to prove the studies wrong, yes?

by Hellsangel Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:32 pm

Silly Point wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Silly Point wrote:I am allergic to math that does not mean i CAN'T do math..
I am allergic to you but does not mean i CAN't Do you..

*simple logic*

Like I said.. *bored*

PS: Being in Mensa doesn't mean you do math all the effin time.. You are allowed not to be in the mood to do something..

*jackass*

Krithi

Dear 'Krithi',
Don't try to overcompensate so much. You couldn't pay me enough to be 'done by you'
Dear HA,

I am not trying to over compensate here..
Please don't call yourself a Whore.. it hurts my feelings when you refers to yourself in such a fashion

*sad*

Krithi

Dear 'Krithi', you misunderstood me. I have no interest in high denominators of low BAC for money or love. BTW, shouldn't they have a thicker skin than to have hurt feelings?

by Silly Point Thu Feb 13, 2014 8:54 pm

I see what you are doing..

*ignore*

Krithi

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