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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:06 pm

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is going to burst soon; 3 of the top 5 states that attracted investments are run by Congress.

http://www.businessworld.in/news/economy/maharashtra-tops-gujarat-as-investment-destination/1317611/page-1.html

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Post by rawemotions Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:53 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Modi bubble Image_gallery?uuid=a1f6999e-d064-4e2e-8b5a-87c472fdf6c8&groupId=36166&t=1396533504474

is going to burst soon; 3 of the top 5 states that attracted investments are run by Congress.

http://www.businessworld.in/news/economy/maharashtra-tops-gujarat-as-investment-destination/1317611/page-1.html
Twice the size, almost 75% more people with Bombay with them (Almost 75% of Corporate income tax gets filed from there), still only marginally better ?

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Post by Guest Thu Apr 03, 2014 8:56 pm

rawemotions wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Modi bubble Image_gallery?uuid=a1f6999e-d064-4e2e-8b5a-87c472fdf6c8&groupId=36166&t=1396533504474

is going to burst soon; 3 of the top 5 states that attracted investments are run by Congress.

http://www.businessworld.in/news/economy/maharashtra-tops-gujarat-as-investment-destination/1317611/page-1.html
Twice the size, almost 75% more people with Bombay with them (Almost 75% of Corporate income tax gets filed from there), still only marginally better ?

So you want India to become Gujarat?

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Contrary to the myth that Gujarat is a powerhouse attracting large FDI inflows, in 2012-13 its share in FDI was a meagre 2.38%, ranked 6th, compared to Maharashtra’s 39.4% (Khanna: 2013). Most damning of all, for a state that purports to provide a template for the whole country’s economy, is the Modi government’s “lack of financial discipline. The Gujarat growth pattern relies on indebtedness. The state's debt increased from Rs 45,301 crore in 2002 to Rs. 1,38,978 crore in 2013... In terms of per capita indebtedness, the situation is even more worrying, given the size of the state: each Gujarati carries a debt of Rs 23,163 if the population is taken to be 60 million” (Jaffrelot: 2013).

http://www.epw.in/web-exclusives/gujarat-model-development.html?ip_login_no_cache=ade5ad5d6928d522e391f6563ce7890f

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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Apr 03, 2014 9:28 pm

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Contrary to the myth that Gujarat is a powerhouse attracting large FDI inflows, in 2012-13 its share in FDI was a meagre 2.38%, ranked 6th, compared to Maharashtra’s 39.4% (Khanna: 2013). Most damning of all, for a state that purports to provide a template for the whole country’s economy, is the Modi government’s “lack of financial discipline. The Gujarat growth pattern relies on indebtedness. The state's debt increased from Rs 45,301 crore in 2002 to Rs. 1,38,978 crore in 2013... In terms of per capita indebtedness, the situation is even more worrying, given the size of the state: each Gujarati carries a debt of Rs 23,163 if the population is taken to be 60 million” (Jaffrelot: 2013).

http://www.epw.in/web-exclusives/gujarat-model-development.html?ip_login_no_cache=ade5ad5d6928d522e391f6563ce7890f

-> Damn! how come Gujarat which is run by a spotless nirma leader is doing just as well or as worse, in terms of debt, as the state that was looted by corruptest leader in the history of mankind, YSR. Wonder why?

A.P:  Finance Department officials, however, said the public debt outstanding at 20.45 per cent of the GSDP was well within the 35 per cent limit prescribed by the Finance Commission and Fiscal Responsibility and Budget Management Act.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/aps-public-debt-mounting/article5674539.ece

Gujarat: Significantly, if the RBI report is any indication, the state’s debts formed 24.6 per cent of the Gross State Domestic Product (GSDP) between 2010 and 2014, which is higher than the national average – 22.2 per cent.
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Critics, however, say that the state has been able to sustain high debts mainly because it has not been spending “enough” on the social sector, particularly education.
Thus, the Gujarat government’s projected expenditure on education in 2013-14 as percentage of total budgetary allocation is 13.9 per cent, which is one of the lowest in the country (click HERE to read). As many as 15 of the 17 major states spend a higher proportion on education

http://www.counterview.net/2014/02/gujarats-total-debts-reach-to-rs-185.html

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Post by rawemotions Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:11 pm

Rashmun wrote:
rawemotions wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Modi bubble Image_gallery?uuid=a1f6999e-d064-4e2e-8b5a-87c472fdf6c8&groupId=36166&t=1396533504474

is going to burst soon; 3 of the top 5 states that attracted investments are run by Congress.

http://www.businessworld.in/news/economy/maharashtra-tops-gujarat-as-investment-destination/1317611/page-1.html
Twice the size, almost 75% more people with Bombay with them (Almost 75% of Corporate income tax gets filed from there), still only marginally better ?

So you want India to become Gujarat?

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Contrary to the myth that Gujarat is a powerhouse attracting large FDI inflows, in 2012-13 its share in FDI was a meagre 2.38%, ranked 6th, compared to Maharashtra’s 39.4% (Khanna: 2013). Most damning of all, for a state that purports to provide a template for the whole country’s economy, is the Modi government’s “lack of financial discipline. The Gujarat growth pattern relies on indebtedness. The state's debt increased from Rs 45,301 crore in 2002 to Rs. 1,38,978 crore in 2013... In terms of per capita indebtedness, the situation is even more worrying, given the size of the state: each Gujarati carries a debt of Rs 23,163 if the population is taken to be 60 million” (Jaffrelot: 2013).

http://www.epw.in/web-exclusives/gujarat-model-development.html?ip_login_no_cache=ade5ad5d6928d522e391f6563ce7890f
You should first learn your stuff before comparing apples to Oranges. The state has Bombay and double the population and large land area, and still only manages only better. This is NOT a message for success. This is a message of FAILURE.

Do you know what Is Maharashtra's debt under 15 years of Congress rule? With just barely higher investment than Gujarat, their debt is 2.76 Lakh Crores. Highest in India. And this despite  a friendly administration at the centre for the past 10 years. Even their per capita debt is almost equivalent to Gujarat. 

Please stop making fool of yourself.

http://www.indiaspend.com/fact-check/fact-check-does-gujarat-have-highest-per-capita-debt-38768

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Post by Guest Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:19 pm

rawemotions wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
rawemotions wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Modi bubble Image_gallery?uuid=a1f6999e-d064-4e2e-8b5a-87c472fdf6c8&groupId=36166&t=1396533504474

is going to burst soon; 3 of the top 5 states that attracted investments are run by Congress.

http://www.businessworld.in/news/economy/maharashtra-tops-gujarat-as-investment-destination/1317611/page-1.html
Twice the size, almost 75% more people with Bombay with them (Almost 75% of Corporate income tax gets filed from there), still only marginally better ?

So you want India to become Gujarat?

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Contrary to the myth that Gujarat is a powerhouse attracting large FDI inflows, in 2012-13 its share in FDI was a meagre 2.38%, ranked 6th, compared to Maharashtra’s 39.4% (Khanna: 2013). Most damning of all, for a state that purports to provide a template for the whole country’s economy, is the Modi government’s “lack of financial discipline. The Gujarat growth pattern relies on indebtedness. The state's debt increased from Rs 45,301 crore in 2002 to Rs. 1,38,978 crore in 2013... In terms of per capita indebtedness, the situation is even more worrying, given the size of the state: each Gujarati carries a debt of Rs 23,163 if the population is taken to be 60 million” (Jaffrelot: 2013).

http://www.epw.in/web-exclusives/gujarat-model-development.html?ip_login_no_cache=ade5ad5d6928d522e391f6563ce7890f
You should first learn your stuff before comparing apples to Oranges. The state has Bombay and double the population and large land area, and still only manages only better. This is NOT a message for success. This is a message of FAILURE.

Do you know what Is Maharashtra's debt under 15 years of Congress rule? With just barely higher investment than Gujarat, their debt is 2.76 Lakh Crores. Highest in India. And this despite  a friendly administration at the centre for the past 10 years. Even their per capita debt is almost equivalent to Gujarat. 

Please stop making fool of yourself.

http://www.indiaspend.com/fact-check/fact-check-does-gujarat-have-highest-per-capita-debt-38768

Did you not see that Gujarat's share of FDI is 2.38% compared to Maharashtra's 39.4% ? Furthermore, it is not the total debt that is the critical statistical parameter but the per capita debt. The per capita debt of Gujarat is significantly higher than any other Indian state and it is all set to keep increasing with Modi at the helm.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:48 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:Modi bubble Image_gallery?uuid=a1f6999e-d064-4e2e-8b5a-87c472fdf6c8&groupId=36166&t=1396533504474

is going to burst soon; 3 of the top 5 states that attracted investments are run by Congress.

http://www.businessworld.in/news/economy/maharashtra-tops-gujarat-as-investment-destination/1317611/page-1.html

Alas, we are long past these discussions. Fact of the matter is that the alternatives are infinitely worse. Best to reconcile to a Modi sarkar and hope the economy gets back on track.
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Post by Guest Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:55 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:Modi bubble Image_gallery?uuid=a1f6999e-d064-4e2e-8b5a-87c472fdf6c8&groupId=36166&t=1396533504474

is going to burst soon; 3 of the top 5 states that attracted investments are run by Congress.

http://www.businessworld.in/news/economy/maharashtra-tops-gujarat-as-investment-destination/1317611/page-1.html

Alas, we are long past these discussions. Fact of the matter is that the alternatives are infinitely worse. Best to reconcile to a Modi sarkar and hope the economy gets back on track.

You mean Modi should increase the per capita debt of all Indians drastically just as he did in Gujarat?

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Post by confuzzled dude Fri Apr 04, 2014 5:35 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Alas, we are long past these discussions. Fact of the matter is that the alternatives are infinitely worse. Best to reconcile to a Modi sarkar and hope the economy gets back on track.
except for a minor fact that Indian economy has always been riding the global economy wave; unless you think Modi will be the first genius PM of India who can steer Indian economy past that tiny hurdle called global economy.

https://such.forumotion.com/t21968-overhyped-economic-growth

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:43 am

No, our slowdown in the last couple of years came at a time when the global economy was actually improving (however slowly). It was an entirely self-inflicted problem caused by a leaderless, directionless government.

The feet-dragging, policy paralysis and deathly silence in response to all kinds of accusations towards the end became a huge headwind. Rs 150 lac crores of infra projects rotting on J Natarajan's desk and cleared in 3 weeks flat once she was booted out, could have been a fantastic economic stimulus had it come a little earlier, triggering a capex cycle, lifting the infra sector out of the doldrums and boosting bank balancesheets.

Modi is no god, regardless of what mouth-breathing buffoons like Someprofile believe. But at the very least, no glorified bean-counter is likely to tell him off on his policies based on cooked up numbers, the way Vinod Rai harangued MMS.
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Post by Propagandhi711 Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:54 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:No, our slowdown in the last couple of years came at a time when the global economy was actually improving (however slowly). It was an entirely self-inflicted problem caused by a leaderless, directionless government.

The feet-dragging, policy paralysis and deathly silence in response to all kinds of accusations towards the end became a huge headwind. Rs 150 lac crores of infra projects rotting on J Natarajan's desk and cleared in 3 weeks flat once she was booted out, could have been a fantastic economic stimulus had it come a little earlier, triggering a capex cycle, lifting the infra sector out of the doldrums and boosting bank balancesheets.

Modi is no god, regardless of what mouth-breathing buffoons like Someprofile believe. But at the very least, no glorified bean-counter is likely to tell him off on his policies based on cooked up numbers, the way Vinod Rai harangued MMS.

please dont confuse CD's narrative with facts from the ground. he's trying to prove his latest pet theory: that corruption isnt an issue and the economy runs but itself regardless of who's making policy so it's best to have status quo

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Post by confuzzled dude Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:00 am

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please dont confuse CD's narrative with facts from the ground. he's trying to prove his latest pet theory: that corruption isnt an issue and the economy runs but itself regardless of who's making policy so it's best to have status quo
-> The only fact in this is the GDP growth rate ranking which hasn't changed in decades despite reforms and so called liberalization; Checkout the article below, to elect someone who is against education would only be adding insult to the injury..
 
http://businesstoday.intoday.in/story/what-took-china-ahead-of-india-and-what-keeps-it-ahead/1/201565.html
 
"In 1982, the literacy rate in China was 64.4 per cent, compared to India's 37. The average years of schooling in China was far higher than that in India then. In every measure, China was far better than India. "

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Post by Propagandhi711 Fri Apr 04, 2014 10:54 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
please dont confuse CD's narrative with facts from the ground. he's trying to prove his latest pet theory: that corruption isnt an issue and the economy runs but itself regardless of who's making policy so it's best to have status quo
-> The only fact in this is the GDP growth rate ranking which hasn't changed in decades despite reforms and so called liberalization; Checkout the article below, to elect someone who is against education would only be adding insult to the injury..
 
http://businesstoday.intoday.in/story/what-took-china-ahead-of-india-and-what-keeps-it-ahead/1/201565.html
 
"In 1982, the literacy rate in China was 64.4 per cent, compared to India's 37. The average years of schooling in China was far higher than that in India then. In every measure, China was far better than India. "

what does this article & your commentary have to do with anything being discussed in this thread is beyond me. but it's a good tactic tho, throw a bunch of articles to see which one sticks and hope to delude the actual topic being discussed

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Post by confuzzled dude Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:43 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
please dont confuse CD's narrative with facts from the ground. he's trying to prove his latest pet theory: that corruption isnt an issue and the economy runs but itself regardless of who's making policy so it's best to have status quo
-> The only fact in this is the GDP growth rate ranking which hasn't changed in decades despite reforms and so called liberalization; Checkout the article below, to elect someone who is against education would only be adding insult to the injury..
 
http://businesstoday.intoday.in/story/what-took-china-ahead-of-india-and-what-keeps-it-ahead/1/201565.html
 
"In 1982, the literacy rate in China was 64.4 per cent, compared to India's 37. The average years of schooling in China was far higher than that in India then. In every measure, China was far better than India. "

what does this article & your commentary have to do with anything being discussed in this thread is beyond me. but it's a good tactic tho, throw a bunch of articles to see which one sticks and hope to delude the actual topic being discussed
 
It has got everything to do with this thread; discussing negatives of Mod's policies.

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