truthbetold wrote:The jains, patels, brahmins and other types of gujaratis that I talked to have positive stories of gujarat which seem to align with Modi's story than mysterious descriptions we hear on such from magazines like outlook.

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:The jains, patels, brahmins and other types of gujaratis that I talked to have positive stories of gujarat which seem to align with Modi's story than mysterious descriptions we hear on such from magazines like outlook.

Typical Gujaratis also think that South India is full of Christians, vegetarians are better than others; That's been my experience.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

smArtha wrote:

Are those south leaders now contesting for the PM spot? If not, what is your point? Electorate can only choose based on the options they are offered. If they have the choice to choose their candidates and leaders (like the US Primaries), India would have produced more responsible leaders. 

There are better candidates in BJP than Modi e.g. Raman Singh, Shivraj Singh, have no baggage; don't have Reliance backing either. Comparison to South is to prove that Modi's economic-success is nothing extraordinary to gloat about. Several other states have achieved similar levels of success. In fact Modi underachieved, if we were to go by the theories floated on SuCH that "corruption-free-governance-promotes-growth" & "Modi-is-Mr.Clean". His achievements should have been head & shoulders above corrupt regimes

>>>I think you are underestimating the value of this and a business-friendly posture in a global context. As far as the baggage goes (much of which remains to be proven), commerce is a-moral. This really is a case of ' if you build it, they will come'.  I am not familiar with the two others you have mentioned, but the modi fever won't transfer to them. You cannot deny this guy's charisma.

I might be but India is definitely overestimating Modi's capabilities I can only hope they won't be disappointed. I can't help but be cynical after having seen what happened to Mr. Clean of mid '80s. Majority of Modi's supporters are in their 20s have no idea about past let's hope that history won't repeat.

whaaaaaaa? what is it that I'm reading? the same comrade who stated that corruption is not an issue is professing disappointment that VP singh turned out to be corrupt? I thought that was fully accepted and even healthy per your manifesto, comrade?

confuzzled dude wrote:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/rajiv-gandhis-dazzle-of-initial-promise-only-serves-to-spotlight-his-subsequent-failures/1/324130.html

-> All the euphoria that's brewing seems eerily similar (assuming Modi will become PM) hope the ending would be different.

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/rajiv-gandhis-dazzle-of-initial-promise-only-serves-to-spotlight-his-subsequent-failures/1/324130.html

-> All the euphoria that's brewing seems eerily similar (assuming Modi will become PM) hope the ending would be different.

The difference is that Rajiv Gandhi had no administrative or political experience. He was born with a golden spoon, didn't have to do anything to work his way up, and became a PM all of a sudden. He became popular because he was young, handsome, cute and the poor thing lost his mom. He probably had a li'l more intelligence than Rahul, but not a whole lot. He was bound to fail.

Modi isn't anything like any of the above. He has a proven record of being a successful CM for two terms. The guy is intelligent, and hard working. He worked his way up from humble beginnings. He's bound to succeed.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/rajiv-gandhis-dazzle-of-initial-promise-only-serves-to-spotlight-his-subsequent-failures/1/324130.html

-> All the euphoria that's brewing seems eerily similar (assuming Modi will become PM) hope the ending would be different.

The difference is that Rajiv Gandhi had no administrative or political experience. He was born with a golden spoon, didn't have to do anything to work his way up, and became a PM all of a sudden. He became popular because he was young, handsome, cute and the poor thing lost his mom. He probably had a li'l more intelligence than Rahul, but not a whole lot. He was bound to fail.

Modi isn't anything like any of the above. He has a proven record of being a successful CM for two terms. The guy is intelligent, and hard working. He worked his way up from humble beginnings. He's bound to succeed.

*sigh* Did you even bother reading the article?

Kinnera wrote:Modi is for neither marginalizing nor favoring anyone. Equal opportunities for all. Now that IS secularism. Is it not?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/rajiv-gandhis-dazzle-of-initial-promise-only-serves-to-spotlight-his-subsequent-failures/1/324130.html

-> All the euphoria that's brewing seems eerily similar (assuming Modi will become PM) hope the ending would be different.

The difference is that Rajiv Gandhi had no administrative or political experience. He was born with a golden spoon, didn't have to do anything to work his way up, and became a PM all of a sudden. He became popular because he was young, handsome, cute and the poor thing lost his mom. He probably had a li'l more intelligence than Rahul, but not a whole lot. He was bound to fail.

Modi isn't anything like any of the above. He has a proven record of being a successful CM for two terms. The guy is intelligent, and hard working. He worked his way up from humble beginnings. He's bound to succeed.

*sigh* Did you even bother reading the article?

Propagandhi711 wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/rajiv-gandhis-dazzle-of-initial-promise-only-serves-to-spotlight-his-subsequent-failures/1/324130.html

-> All the euphoria that's brewing seems eerily similar (assuming Modi will become PM) hope the ending would be different.

The difference is that Rajiv Gandhi had no administrative or political experience. He was born with a golden spoon, didn't have to do anything to work his way up, and became a PM all of a sudden. He became popular because he was young, handsome, cute and the poor thing lost his mom. He probably had a li'l more intelligence than Rahul, but not a whole lot. He was bound to fail.

Modi isn't anything like any of the above. He has a proven record of being a successful CM for two terms. The guy is intelligent, and hard working. He worked his way up from humble beginnings. He's bound to succeed.

*sigh* Did you even bother reading the article?

*the* only things rajiv had going for him was his fair skin & his hiring sam pitroda and promising technological revolution. the second  bore *some* fruit, in a half assed way.

modi is an entirely different animal. stop clutching at straws, you and your party is done atleast for next two terms. you might as well move into mourning phase, followed by acceptance. I presume your outburst at rawemotions was the anger phase.

confuzzled dude wrote:I'm truly humbled to learn that Modi is conjoined twin of Einstein with IQ dripping from overflow even though there are no substantiated facts to back that assertion. Gujarat's progress was mere reflection of national trend with no indication whatsoever that it was leading the pack. I guess I should be quietly nodding my head to the pronunciations from learned folks Propa, Kinnera & Raw than making my own conclusions based on available data. Thanks for the edumacation geniuses.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:I'm truly humbled to learn that Modi is conjoined twin of Einstein with IQ dripping from overflow even though there are no substantiated facts to back that assertion. Gujarat's progress was mere reflection of national trend with no indication whatsoever that it was leading the pack. I guess I should be quietly nodding my head to the pronunciations from learned folks Propa, Kinnera & Raw than making my own conclusions based on available data. Thanks for the edumacation geniuses.

It's quite scary how gullible Indians are. We are swayed by a Anna one day, a Kejri the next and a Saheb the third. Every passing snake-oil salesman finds ready customers in us, eagerly willing to believe that one all-powerful lok pal or one all-powerful PM can make all our problems magically disappear and we will have India Shining.

Having suffered a spineless, incommunicative PM for the last ten years, we are now on a rebound, rushing headlong into the arms of anyone who appears decisive and strong. No matter that the person is known to be dictatorial, incapable of nuanced thought or deeper deliberation, unwilling to accommodate other opinions. No matter that the last might be his biggest flaw and the source of much heartburn in the years to come.

The truth of the matter is that India's economic development is driven more by the states than by the center. A forward looking Union govt might set the agenda, frame well thought out policies and clear investment proposals with minimal corruption / bureaucratic feet-dragging, but that won't necessarily translate into concrete change on the ground without the states' co-operation. GST is a case in point. everyone agrees it's a fantastic idea but its implementation has been stuck for several years because the states are not in agreement. Same is the case with lacs of crores worth of road projects - all cleared at the center but stuck for lack of state clearances.

And Modi, for all his industry-friendly track record, is worst suited for winning friends and influencing people. His polarizing profile will only encourage regional politicians to oppose and sabotage anything his government rolls out.

It's quite silly of his fanboys (and girls) to imagine that his coming to power will magically transform the Indian economy. Instead of building up such unrealistic expectations and setting their hero up for failure, they should accept that Modi will become PM by the slimmest of majorities, and that too, only for lack of viable alternatives and that the best case scenario for the country is that he will be a more effective and communicative PM than his predecessor. No more, no less.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/rajiv-gandhis-dazzle-of-initial-promise-only-serves-to-spotlight-his-subsequent-failures/1/324130.html

-> All the euphoria that's brewing seems eerily similar (assuming Modi will become PM) hope the ending would be different.

The difference is that Rajiv Gandhi had no administrative or political experience. He was born with a golden spoon, didn't have to do anything to work his way up, and became a PM all of a sudden. He became popular because he was young, handsome, cute and the poor thing lost his mom. He probably had a li'l more intelligence than Rahul, but not a whole lot. He was bound to fail.

Modi isn't anything like any of the above. He has a proven record of being a successful CM for two terms. The guy is intelligent, and hard working. He worked his way up from humble beginnings. He's bound to succeed.

*sigh* Did you even bother reading the article?

*the* only things rajiv had going for him was his fair skin & his hiring sam pitroda and promising technological revolution. the second  bore *some* fruit, in a half assed way.

modi is an entirely different animal. stop clutching at straws, you and your party is done atleast for next two terms. you might as well move into mourning phase, followed by acceptance. I presume your outburst at rawemotions was the anger phase.

I'm truly humbled to learn that Modi is conjoined twin of Einstein with IQ dripping from overflow even though there are no substantiated facts to back that assertion. Gujarat's progress was mere reflection of national trend with no indication whatsoever that it was leading the pack. I guess I should be quietly nodding my head to the pronunciations from learned folks Propa, Kinnera & Raw than making my own conclusions based on available data. Thanks for the edumacation geniuses.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Propagandhi711 wrote:
*the* only things rajiv had going for him was his fair skin & his hiring sam pitroda and promising technological revolution. the second  bore *some* fruit, in a half assed way.

modi is an entirely different animal. stop clutching at straws, you and your party is done atleast for next two terms. you might as well move into mourning phase, followed by acceptance. I presume your outburst at rawemotions was the anger phase.

I'm truly humbled to learn that Modi is conjoined twin of Einstein with IQ dripping from overflow even though there are no substantiated facts to back that assertion. Gujarat's progress was mere reflection of national trend with no indication whatsoever that it was leading the pack. I guess I should be quietly nodding my head to the pronunciations from learned folks Propa, Kinnera & Raw than making my own conclusions based on available data. Thanks for the edumacation geniuses.

passive aggressive statement followed by statement of opinion stated as fact followed by more passive aggressive sarcasm. only congress apologist in the throes of imminent loss can muster such a schizoid paragraph

Merlot Daruwala wrote:It's quite scary how gullible Indians are. We are swayed by a Anna one day, a Kejri the next and a Saheb the third. Every passing snake-oil salesman finds ready customers in us, eagerly willing to believe that one all-powerful lok pal or one all-powerful PM can make all our problems magically disappear and we will have India Shining.

Having suffered a spineless, incommunicative PM for the last ten years, we are now on a rebound, rushing headlong into the arms of anyone who appears decisive and strong. No matter that the person is known to be dictatorial, incapable of nuanced thought or deeper deliberation, unwilling to accommodate other opinions. No matter that the last might be his biggest flaw and the source of much heartburn in the years to come.

The truth of the matter is that India's economic development is driven more by the states than by the center. A forward looking Union govt might set the agenda, frame well thought out policies and clear investment proposals with minimal corruption / bureaucratic feet-dragging, but that won't necessarily translate into concrete change on the ground without the states' co-operation. GST is a case in point. everyone agrees it's a fantastic idea but its implementation has been stuck for several years because the states are not in agreement. Same is the case with lacs of crores worth of road projects - all cleared at the center but stuck for lack of state clearances.

And Modi, for all his industry-friendly track record, is worst suited for winning friends and influencing people. His polarizing profile will only encourage regional politicians to oppose and sabotage anything his government rolls out.

It's quite silly of his fanboys (and girls) to imagine that his coming to power will magically transform the Indian economy. Instead of building up such unrealistic expectations and setting their hero up for failure, they should accept that Modi will become PM by the slimmest of majorities, and that too, only for lack of viable alternatives and that the best case scenario for the country is that he will be a more effective and communicative PM than his predecessor. No more, no less.

Idéfix wrote:

truthbetold wrote:

Idéfix wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

This is recycled material.  Why did you post this? Do you have comment associated with this post?

This is the cover story of the latest issue of the magazine. I was planning to post it myself.

My question is what is your comment accompanying the post?

I agree with most of the points in the article. I hope that NDA does not win this election. If it does, I hope it wins narrowly enough that alliance partners force someone other Modi as PM.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:


It's quite silly of his fanboys (and girls) to imagine that his coming to power will magically transform the Indian economy. Instead of building up such unrealistic expectations and setting their hero up for failure, they should accept that Modi will become PM by the slimmest of majorities, and that too, only for lack of viable alternatives and that the best case scenario for the country is that he will be a more effective and communicative PM than his predecessor. No more, no less.