Re: a debate between christopher hitchens and tariq ramadan

by confuzzled dude Fri May 09, 2014 6:57 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:

this somehow reminds me of "I know black people" skit
Is that because the treatment meted out to muslims in India is on par with what blacks were subjected to America.
Well on the way to be the new Spinmeister I see.
Are you suggesting that your buddy's comparison is out of place to begin with
He didn't compare them. But nice spin there from you.

then what was he doing? with misplaced euphemism

by confuzzled dude Fri May 09, 2014 7:01 pm

Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:

this somehow reminds me of "I know black people" skit
Is that because the treatment meted out to muslims in India is on par with what blacks were subjected to America.
As a muslim, were you treated better in US or in India?
Another pearl of wisdom! tells more about you than me.
I am what i am. do not dodge. If you can't answer it here, answer it to your conscience.

What's there to answer? it is a non sequitur.

by Hellsangel Fri May 09, 2014 7:02 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Is that because the treatment meted out to muslims in India is on par with what blacks were subjected to America.
Well on the way to be the new Spinmeister I see.
Are you suggesting that your buddy's comparison is out of place to begin with
He didn't compare them. But nice spin there from you.
then what was he doing? with misplaced euphemism

Euphemism? Where? Did you intend to use a different word?

by Guest Fri May 09, 2014 7:05 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Is that because the treatment meted out to muslims in India is on par with what blacks were subjected to America.
As a muslim, were you treated better in US or in India?
Another pearl of wisdom! tells more about you than me.
I am what i am. do not dodge. If you can't answer it here, answer it to your conscience.
What's there to answer? it is a non sequitur.

It is not. For you to even think about and make the above statement ("Is that because the treatment meted out to muslims in India is on par with what blacks were subjected to America".) is ridiculous.

by confuzzled dude Fri May 09, 2014 7:12 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Well on the way to be the new Spinmeister I see.
Are you suggesting that your buddy's comparison is out of place to begin with
He didn't compare them. But nice spin there from you.
then what was he doing? with misplaced euphemism

Euphemism? Where? Did you intend to use a different word?

It all depends on how one viewed that comment.

by Hellsangel Fri May 09, 2014 7:14 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Are you suggesting that your buddy's comparison is out of place to begin with
He didn't compare them. But nice spin there from you.
then what was he doing? with misplaced euphemism

Euphemism? Where? Did you intend to use a different word?
It all depends on how one viewed that comment.

What does the word euphemism mean to you? And how was a euphemism used here?

by confuzzled dude Fri May 09, 2014 7:37 pm

Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
As a muslim, were you treated better in US or in India?
Another pearl of wisdom! tells more about you than me.
I am what i am. do not dodge. If you can't answer it here, answer it to your conscience.
What's there to answer? it is a non sequitur.
It is not. For you to even think about and make the above statement ("Is that because the treatment meted out to muslims in India is on par with what blacks were subjected to America".) is ridiculous.

I thought we passed that one and were discussing "As a muslim" part. I will answer you though, I was curious as to what similarities he saw between the social interaction of Indian Muslims/Hindus & American Blacks/Whites; What I said was what I inferred from that statement based on my interpretation of the premise of that skit. If you didn't infer that way that's not my problem.

by confuzzled dude Fri May 09, 2014 8:02 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
He didn't compare them. But nice spin there from you.
then what was he doing? with misplaced euphemism

Euphemism? Where? Did you intend to use a different word?
It all depends on how one viewed that comment.

What does the word euphemism mean to you? And how was a euphemism used here?

I saw it as Propa trying to be polite instead of letting it out in his usual abrasive style, use of it may not be bookish but fits the context imo.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri May 09, 2014 8:11 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Another pearl of wisdom! tells more about you than me.
I am what i am. do not dodge. If you can't answer it here, answer it to your conscience.
What's there to answer? it is a non sequitur.
It is not. For you to even think about and make the above statement ("Is that because the treatment meted out to muslims in India is on par with what blacks were subjected to America".) is ridiculous.
I thought we passed that one and were discussing "As a muslim" part. I will answer you though, I was curious as to what similarities he saw between the social interaction of Indian Muslims/Hindus & American Blacks/Whites; What I said was what I inferred from that statement based on my interpretation of the premise of that skit. If you didn't infer that way that's not my problem.

SUCH logic: modi supporter -- hindu; modi detractor -- muslim. it's obvious kebob klatch mate!

by Hellsangel Fri May 09, 2014 8:13 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
I am what i am. do not dodge. If you can't answer it here, answer it to your conscience.
What's there to answer? it is a non sequitur.
It is not. For you to even think about and make the above statement ("Is that because the treatment meted out to muslims in India is on par with what blacks were subjected to America".) is ridiculous.
I thought we passed that one and were discussing "As a muslim" part. I will answer you though, I was curious as to what similarities he saw between the social interaction of Indian Muslims/Hindus & American Blacks/Whites; What I said was what I inferred from that statement based on my interpretation of the premise of that skit. If you didn't infer that way that's not my problem.

SUCH logic: modi supporter -- hindu; modi detractor -- muslim. it's obvious kebob klatch mate!

Nah. Bicoastal liberals also qualify as detractors.

by Guest Fri May 09, 2014 8:57 pm

It's funny how the ones who pose as liberals don't miss an opportunity to trumpet their 'tambrahmism', as if it's something great, to faceless online people. I don't see any other caste group doing that.

It's also funny how people take extreme offense to being called a muslim as if it is some cuss word and is humiliating. And there's outright denial!

by confuzzled dude Fri May 09, 2014 9:20 pm

Kinnera wrote:It's funny how the ones who pose as liberals don't miss an opportunity to trumpet their 'tambrahmism', as if it's something great, to faceless online people. I don't see any other caste group doing that.

It's also funny how people take extreme offense to being called a muslim as if it is some cuss word and is humiliating.And there's outright denial!

Nice try, but no cigar

by confuzzled dude Sat May 10, 2014 2:54 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:there are lots of moderate indian muslims -- shabana azmi, naseeruddin shah, the bohri muslims who were our college classmates, the nice anesthesiologist who was a neighbor and a colleague of my father and on and on. but you see they are boring, because they aren't the crazy, wahabbi financed crazy old mullah who gets all the press attention and helps fuel the hidutvavadi's agenda.

-> A few more boring types.. add that lady Sultana from Hyderabad too.

"All of the 11 Muslim candidates fielded by the SP — considered the biggest party of Muslims in UP — lost in the state in 2009. Murli Manohar Joshi scraped through by just 17,000 votes in the “Hindu” seat of Varanasi. Had he not got nearly 20,000 Shia votes, he would probably have lost."

"And in Varanasi, Muslims are sometimes irritated when asked if they would heed the joint call of Congress and Qaumi Ekta Dal’s Afzal Ansari to unite against Modi."

“Azam Khan said Muslims who don’t vote for SP must undergo a DNA test. Nonsense. Why should we vote as they tell us to?” asked a Muslim youth in Varanasi.
“Do they ever ask Brahmins, Thakurs, Banias to unite and vote? Why only Muslims?” said Rafeeq Ahmad, a small shopkeeper in Bheer, Mou."

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/politics/a-diversified-muslim-vote-and-yearning-for-change-in-poorvanchal/

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