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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed May 28, 2014 12:53 am

....The RSS/Modi agenda, as I predicted, is right on target. Jitendra  the MoS in the PMO - would not have said what he said without Modi's nod. THERE IS NO WAY a junior minister would say that on Day 1.

Modi is short of only 50+ votes for a constitutional amendment.

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Wed May 28, 2014 3:50 am

I don't think this has Modi's approval. When there's absolutely no political support whatsoever for this in Kashmir, and local leaders have already threatened secession if Art 370 goes, why risk a PR disaster so early on??
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Post by truthbetold Wed May 28, 2014 4:39 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:I don't think this has Modi's approval. When there's absolutely no political support whatsoever for this in Kashmir, and local leaders have already threatened secession if Art 370 goes, why risk a PR disaster so early on??
agree. Really bad timing.

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Post by confuzzled dude Wed May 28, 2014 6:01 am

have you popped champagne yet? Oh my bad you chaddies may not know how to  Razz

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Wed May 28, 2014 7:00 am

They'll raise a toast with this:

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Post by Impedimenta Wed May 28, 2014 7:27 am

m adi saamiyaar, neenga political kingpin maathiri pesareenga.

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Post by confuzzled dude Wed May 28, 2014 8:41 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:They'll raise a toast with this:

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muahahaha 100%; is that Tamil script on the top.

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Post by Obnoxious Wed May 28, 2014 9:21 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:I don't think this has Modi's approval. When there's absolutely no political support whatsoever for this in Kashmir, and local leaders have already threatened secession if Art 370 goes, why risk a PR disaster so early on??


PR disaster early on is much better than PR disaster later on. People have short memory they'll forget everything by the next election.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed May 28, 2014 9:26 am

Impedimenta wrote:m adi saamiyaar, neenga political kingpin maathiri pesareenga.

Maadhiri yenna maadhiri...KingpinE dhaan....Wink

.summa edthu vudaa vendiyadhu thaan......Kasaa Panamaa..

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Post by Merlot Daruwala Wed May 28, 2014 9:30 am

Obnoxious wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:I don't think this has Modi's approval. When there's absolutely no political support whatsoever for this in Kashmir, and local leaders have already threatened secession if Art 370 goes, why risk a PR disaster so early on??


PR disaster early on is much better than PR disaster later on. People have short memory they'll forget everything by the next election.

Nah I don't think Modi wants to create a crisis in Kashmir that's going to suck up all his energy for the remainder of his tenure. He's too smart for that. This was some loose cannon mouthing off.
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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed May 28, 2014 1:46 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Obnoxious wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:I don't think this has Modi's approval. When there's absolutely no political support whatsoever for this in Kashmir, and local leaders have already threatened secession if Art 370 goes, why risk a PR disaster so early on??


PR disaster early on is much better than PR disaster later on. People have short memory they'll forget everything by the next election.

Nah I don't think Modi wants to create a crisis in Kashmir that's going to suck up all his energy for the remainder of his tenure. He's too smart for that. This was some loose cannon mouthing off.
It is not too late. They can convert this into some college campus discussions in J&K and let it die while Omar and Mehbooba jump up and down and pull their hair out.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed May 28, 2014 2:10 pm

The answer is right in here...

Attacking the move, PDP president Mehbooba Mufti said: "Experts believe article 370 is the bridge of Jammu and Kashmir's accession to the country and if you break it, you go back to pre-1947 position. You give people to re-negotiate. Are you ready?" She sought the intervention of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to send out a signal that there is no such intention. "It was okay till it was a poll cry, but what is happening now is dangerous. Do you want to go for one more partition?" she asked, while interacting with journalists in Srinagar. The only debate than can happen is about strengthening article 370, she added.

Hey... go back to pre-1947...yeah rite... Let the pakis vacate their portion, let all the Pandits return to Kashmir, and all muslims from Ladakh go back to Kashmir...etc..etc... What is this some kind of Catholic annulment ? If 370 is cancelled and made null & Void, not a shyt will happen...or can happen.

BTW, Jaitley and Modi are only trying to STRENGTHEN 370 - by "secularizing" it...Razz

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Post by confuzzled dude Wed May 28, 2014 2:19 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:The answer is right in here...

Attacking the move, PDP president Mehbooba Mufti said: "Experts believe article 370 is the bridge of Jammu and Kashmir's accession to the country and if you break it, you go back to pre-1947 position. You give people to re-negotiate. Are you ready?"  She sought the intervention of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to send out a signal that there is no such intention.  "It was okay till it was a poll cry, but what is happening now is dangerous. Do you want to go for one more partition?" she asked, while interacting with journalists in Srinagar.  The only debate than can happen is about strengthening article 370, she added.

Hey... go back to pre-1947...yeah rite... Let the pakis vacate their portion, let all the Pandits return to Kashmir, and all muslims from Ladakh go back to Kashmir...etc..etc...  What is this some kind of Catholic annulment ? If 370 is cancelled and made null & Void, not a shyt will happen...or can happen.

BTW, Jaitley and Modi are only trying to STRENGTHEN 370 - by "secularizing" it...Razz
Kombletely agreed. This is a necessary step in right direction, continuation of previous NDA regime & Modi will definitely take it to the next level from the hobby of splitting states to countries.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed May 28, 2014 2:53 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:The answer is right in here...

Attacking the move, PDP president Mehbooba Mufti said: "Experts believe article 370 is the bridge of Jammu and Kashmir's accession to the country and if you break it, you go back to pre-1947 position. You give people to re-negotiate. Are you ready?"  She sought the intervention of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to send out a signal that there is no such intention.  "It was okay till it was a poll cry, but what is happening now is dangerous. Do you want to go for one more partition?" she asked, while interacting with journalists in Srinagar.  The only debate than can happen is about strengthening article 370, she added.

Hey... go back to pre-1947...yeah rite... Let the pakis vacate their portion, let all the Pandits return to Kashmir, and all muslims from Ladakh go back to Kashmir...etc..etc...  What is this some kind of Catholic annulment ? If 370 is cancelled and made null & Void, not a shyt will happen...or can happen.

BTW, Jaitley and Modi are only trying to STRENGTHEN 370 - by "secularizing" it...Razz
Kombletely agreed. This is a necessary step in right direction, continuation of previous NDA regime & Modi will definitely take it to the next level from the hobby of splitting states to countries.

They want to loosen the law to allow outsiders to buy land/house inside J & K. That should do it... no need to fool around with 370.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed May 28, 2014 3:08 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:The answer is right in here...

Attacking the move, PDP president Mehbooba Mufti said: "Experts believe article 370 is the bridge of Jammu and Kashmir's accession to the country and if you break it, you go back to pre-1947 position. You give people to re-negotiate. Are you ready?"  She sought the intervention of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to send out a signal that there is no such intention.  "It was okay till it was a poll cry, but what is happening now is dangerous. Do you want to go for one more partition?" she asked, while interacting with journalists in Srinagar.  The only debate than can happen is about strengthening article 370, she added.

Hey... go back to pre-1947...yeah rite... Let the pakis vacate their portion, let all the Pandits return to Kashmir, and all muslims from Ladakh go back to Kashmir...etc..etc...  What is this some kind of Catholic annulment ? If 370 is cancelled and made null & Void, not a shyt will happen...or can happen.

BTW, Jaitley and Modi are only trying to STRENGTHEN 370 - by "secularizing" it...Razz
Kombletely agreed. This is a necessary step in right direction, continuation of previous NDA regime & Modi will definitely take it to the next level from the hobby of splitting states to countries.

They want to loosen the law to allow outsiders to buy land/house inside J & K. That should do it... no need to fool around with 370.
That is right.

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Post by confuzzled dude Wed May 28, 2014 3:16 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:The answer is right in here...

Attacking the move, PDP president Mehbooba Mufti said: "Experts believe article 370 is the bridge of Jammu and Kashmir's accession to the country and if you break it, you go back to pre-1947 position. You give people to re-negotiate. Are you ready?"  She sought the intervention of Prime Minister Narendra Modi to send out a signal that there is no such intention.  "It was okay till it was a poll cry, but what is happening now is dangerous. Do you want to go for one more partition?" she asked, while interacting with journalists in Srinagar.  The only debate than can happen is about strengthening article 370, she added.

Hey... go back to pre-1947...yeah rite... Let the pakis vacate their portion, let all the Pandits return to Kashmir, and all muslims from Ladakh go back to Kashmir...etc..etc...  What is this some kind of Catholic annulment ? If 370 is cancelled and made null & Void, not a shyt will happen...or can happen.

BTW, Jaitley and Modi are only trying to STRENGTHEN 370 - by "secularizing" it...Razz
Kombletely agreed. This is a necessary step in right direction, continuation of previous NDA regime & Modi will definitely take it to the next level from the hobby of splitting states to countries.

They want to loosen the law to allow outsiders to buy land/house inside J & K. That should do it... no need to fool around with 370.
That is right.
Are they talking about relaxing this shit in Himachal, Arunachal etc., as well?

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Post by Hellsangel Wed May 28, 2014 3:29 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Are they talking about relaxing this shit in Himachal, Arunachal etc., as well?

HTH about Himachal:

http://www.holidayhometimes.com/buyers-guide/himachal-pradesh-land-purchase-non-himachali2049.html

Arunachal Pradesh is a designated tribal area and those restrictions apply there.
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Post by confuzzled dude Wed May 28, 2014 3:37 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Are they talking about relaxing this shit in Himachal, Arunachal etc., as well?

HTH about Himachal:

http://www.holidayhometimes.com/buyers-guide/himachal-pradesh-land-purchase-non-himachali2049.html
I know that already and have personal experience with it; it is still such a pain in the neck, not as easy as that article claims.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed May 28, 2014 3:39 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Are they talking about relaxing this shit in Himachal, Arunachal etc., as well?

Are the Himachalis and Arunachalis threatening to join Pakis or throw stones every Friday like the Kashmiris ?


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Post by Hellsangel Wed May 28, 2014 3:42 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Are they talking about relaxing this shit in Himachal, Arunachal etc., as well?

HTH about Himachal:

http://www.holidayhometimes.com/buyers-guide/himachal-pradesh-land-purchase-non-himachali2049.html
I know that already and have personal experience with it; it is still such a pain in the neck, not as easy as that article claims.

Do tell, Comrade.
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Post by Seva Lamberdar Wed May 28, 2014 3:45 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:I don't think this has Modi's approval. When there's absolutely no political support whatsoever for this in Kashmir, and local leaders have already threatened secession if Art 370 goes, why risk a PR disaster so early on??

Article 370 was a Nehru's creation, while going out of his way, to appease the Kashmiris, like he insisted during the 1950s that Kashmir's chief minister should be called prime minister (as India's head of Govt. was called) and not chief minister (as the heads of Govt. in the rest of Indian states).
The second part of Nehru's appeasement scheme (using the P.M. tag for Kashmir's C.M.) is already thrown out and forgotten, it is time to do the same with the first too (get rid of Article 370).
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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed May 28, 2014 3:50 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:I don't think this has Modi's approval. When there's absolutely no political support whatsoever for this in Kashmir, and local leaders have already threatened secession if Art 370 goes, why risk a PR disaster so early on??

Article 370 was a Nehru's creation, while going out of his way, to appease the Kashmiris, like he insisted during the 1950s that Kashmir's chief minister should be called prime minister (as India's head of Govt. was called) and not chief minister (as the heads of Govt. in the rest of Indian states).
The second part of Nehru's appeasement scheme (using the P.M. tag for Kashmir's C.M.) is already thrown out and forgotten, it is time to do the same with the first too (get rid of Article 370).

A high schooler like Smriti Irani would have done a MUCH better job. Who gave the law degree to Nehru - Oh wait... it is one of those Bush-degree type from Inland.

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Thu May 29, 2014 8:21 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:I don't think this has Modi's approval. When there's absolutely no political support whatsoever for this in Kashmir, and local leaders have already threatened secession if Art 370 goes, why risk a PR disaster so early on??

Article 370 was a Nehru's creation, while going out of his way, to appease the Kashmiris, like he insisted during the 1950s that Kashmir's chief minister should be called prime minister (as India's head of Govt. was called) and not chief minister (as the heads of Govt. in the rest of Indian states).
The second part of Nehru's appeasement scheme (using the P.M. tag for Kashmir's C.M.) is already thrown out and forgotten, it is time to do the same with the first too (get rid of Article 370).

A high schooler like Smriti Irani would have done a MUCH better job. Who gave the law degree to Nehru - Oh wait... it is one of those Bush-degree type from Inland.

Anyway there is no basis or need for Article 370, considering India got hold of Kashmir when that country came under attack from Pakistan and decided to join with India to avoid being run over and taken by Pakistan.
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Post by Kayalvizhi Thu May 29, 2014 9:38 am

Nadumaran asked several years ago that foreigners (those not of Tamilnadu) not allowed to buy property in Tamil Nadu

It may be a first step but our future is in independent Tamil Nadu

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Post by Kris Thu May 29, 2014 10:00 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:....The RSS/Modi agenda, as I predicted, is right on target. Jitendra  the MoS in the PMO - would not have said what he said without Modi's nod. THERE IS NO WAY a junior minister would say that on Day 1.

Modi is short of only 50+ votes for a constitutional amendment.

>>>Trial balloon to test reactions? I suspect this may have been the case with Swamy's comment on Raghuram Rajan as well.

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Post by confuzzled dude Thu May 29, 2014 12:42 pm

Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:....The RSS/Modi agenda, as I predicted, is right on target. Jitendra  the MoS in the PMO - would not have said what he said without Modi's nod. THERE IS NO WAY a junior minister would say that on Day 1.

Modi is short of only 50+ votes for a constitutional amendment.

>>>Trial balloon to test reactions? I suspect this may have been the case with Swamy's comment on Raghuram Rajan as well.
What's the rush? for chaddies to drop their short-pants, they still had 5 years - 1 day to get that message across.

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Post by Kris Thu May 29, 2014 2:37 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:....The RSS/Modi agenda, as I predicted, is right on target. Jitendra  the MoS in the PMO - would not have said what he said without Modi's nod. THERE IS NO WAY a junior minister would say that on Day 1.

Modi is short of only 50+ votes for a constitutional amendment.

>>>Trial balloon to test reactions? I suspect this may have been the case with Swamy's comment on Raghuram Rajan as well.
What's the rush? for chaddies to drop their short-pants, they still had 5 years - 1 day to get that message across.

>>>I have no idea what you are saying. Your personal anger at chaddies or schmuddies aside, are you saying this should not be discussed as an issue?

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Post by Hellsangel Thu May 29, 2014 3:21 pm

Kris wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:....The RSS/Modi agenda, as I predicted, is right on target. Jitendra  the MoS in the PMO - would not have said what he said without Modi's nod. THERE IS NO WAY a junior minister would say that on Day 1.

Modi is short of only 50+ votes for a constitutional amendment.

>>>Trial balloon to test reactions? I suspect this may have been the case with Swamy's comment on Raghuram Rajan as well.
What's the rush? for chaddies to drop their short-pants, they still had 5 years - 1 day to get that message across.

>>>I have no idea what you are saying. Your personal anger at chaddies or schmuddies aside, are you saying this should not be discussed as an issue?

What? Comrade feels anger? He is the calmest person around here since the results of the Indian election.
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Post by confuzzled dude Thu May 29, 2014 3:44 pm

Kris wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:....The RSS/Modi agenda, as I predicted, is right on target. Jitendra  the MoS in the PMO - would not have said what he said without Modi's nod. THERE IS NO WAY a junior minister would say that on Day 1.

Modi is short of only 50+ votes for a constitutional amendment.

>>>Trial balloon to test reactions? I suspect this may have been the case with Swamy's comment on Raghuram Rajan as well.
What's the rush? for chaddies to drop their short-pants, they still had 5 years - 1 day to get that message across.

>>>I have no idea what you are saying. Your personal anger at chaddies or schmuddies aside, are you saying this should not be discussed as an issue?
What was the need to bring up an issue (knowing very well that it is controversial) on day 1 in the office. If they had right intentions of resolving the issue they wouldn't have acted hastily, all they wanted to do is stir up for political gains.

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Post by confuzzled dude Thu May 29, 2014 3:47 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Kris wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kris wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:....The RSS/Modi agenda, as I predicted, is right on target. Jitendra  the MoS in the PMO - would not have said what he said without Modi's nod. THERE IS NO WAY a junior minister would say that on Day 1.

Modi is short of only 50+ votes for a constitutional amendment.

>>>Trial balloon to test reactions? I suspect this may have been the case with Swamy's comment on Raghuram Rajan as well.
What's the rush? for chaddies to drop their short-pants, they still had 5 years - 1 day to get that message across.

>>>I have no idea what you are saying. Your personal anger at chaddies or schmuddies aside, are you saying this should not be discussed as an issue?

What? Comrade feels anger? He is the calmest person around here since the results of the Indian election.
Take off those saffron-tinted glasses to see clearly.

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Thu May 29, 2014 3:48 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kris wrote:
What's the rush? for chaddies to drop their short-pants, they still had 5 years - 1 day to get that message across.

>>>I have no idea what you are saying. Your personal anger at chaddies or schmuddies aside, are you saying this should not be discussed as an issue?
What was the need to bring up an issue (knowing very well that it is controversial) on day 1 in the office. If they had right intentions of resolving the issue they wouldn't have acted hastily, all they wanted to do is stir up for political gains.[/quote]

Could you please recommend a timeline for Mr. Modi to raise this and other issues like UCC, Muslim reservation, etc... ?


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Post by Hellsangel Thu May 29, 2014 3:54 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Kris wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kris wrote:

>>>Trial balloon to test reactions? I suspect this may have been the case with Swamy's comment on Raghuram Rajan as well.
What's the rush? for chaddies to drop their short-pants, they still had 5 years - 1 day to get that message across.

>>>I have no idea what you are saying. Your personal anger at chaddies or schmuddies aside, are you saying this should not be discussed as an issue?

What? Comrade feels anger? He is the calmest person around here since the results of the Indian election.
Take off those saffron-tinted glasses to see clearly.

It is you who is wearing them, Comrade. You see saffron everywhere. And somehow you can now peek at people's knickers too with those special glasses.
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Post by confuzzled dude Thu May 29, 2014 4:15 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kris wrote:
What's the rush? for chaddies to drop their short-pants, they still had 5 years - 1 day to get that message across.

>>>I have no idea what you are saying. Your personal anger at chaddies or schmuddies aside, are you saying this should not be discussed as an issue?
confuzzled dude wrote:
What was the need to bring up an issue (knowing very well that it is controversial) on day 1 in the office. If they had right intentions of resolving the issue they wouldn't have acted hastily, all they wanted to do is stir up for political gains.
 
Could you please recommend a timeline for Mr. Modi to raise this and other issues like UCC, Muslim reservation, etc... ?
 
Any sensible person would agree that day 1 in the office is not the right time, if he is sincere, about fixing it.

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Post by Kayalvizhi Thu May 29, 2014 7:05 pm

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Tmil National Union calls for implementation of Article 370 for Tamil Nadu also.

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