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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Aug 21, 2014 10:42 am

An unsung triumph of India is how many of Gandhi’s ideas it discarded on its way to progress

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/world/asia/narendra-modi-to-replace-indias-planning-commission-.html?_r=0

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Post by Hellsangel Thu Aug 21, 2014 11:41 am

What are you trying to say, Comrade?

You agree that Gandhian ideas are outdated and impractical? Or you don't?
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Post by Maria S Thu Aug 21, 2014 2:51 pm

I agree with some parts of the essay by my Fb friend Manu:)

And I don't think he really believes everything he says..likes to "overstate" things, just to start a conversation. But, he can be quite charming and engaging! Even the title "finally ends"..is a gross overstatement.

If anything..the time has come to end terms like "Socialism", "Capitalism", even "Communism"..and they seem like relics and are quite misleading..there is no "pure" Socialism, Capitalism or Communism..and most countries including the USA, China, Canada to name a few, have their own "combinations" of elements of the three major social-economic systems. 

Gandhiji is quite a fascinating person..he may look like a simpleton and his ideas may appear simple..but, just as the man himself..his views and actions were quite complex. 

Just like you Mr. CD:) You are no comrade, sorry Smile..to me, you are complex..you just seem to be more sensitive, open and compassionate towards people, esp. minorities- be it religious or racial...and in my book, that's a good thing.. to be a single voice, which sometimes has to stand out.
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Post by Seva Lamberdar Thu Aug 21, 2014 4:05 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
An unsung triumph of India is how many of Gandhi’s ideas it discarded on its way to progress

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/world/asia/narendra-modi-to-replace-indias-planning-commission-.html?_r=0
Why is getting rid of the planning commission "Discarding Gandhi's ideas"? Are you trying to say that Gandhi's ideas represent the Planning Commission? If that is the case, then why have the Planning Commission and waste money on its members etc.? Why not the Govt. instead just use directly whatever Gandhi had written or said without having it go through the Planning Commission? That will be huge savings on the resources (spent on the planning commission) and quite consistent with Gandhi’s idea on not wasting things / resources unnecessarily.
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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Aug 21, 2014 7:57 pm

Maria S wrote:I agree with some parts of the essay by my Fb friend Manu:)

And I don't think he really believes everything he says..likes to "overstate" things, just to start a conversation. But, he can be quite charming and engaging! Even the title "finally ends"..is a gross overstatement.

If anything..the time has come to end terms like "Socialism", "Capitalism", even "Communism"..and they seem like relics and are quite misleading..there is no "pure" Socialism, Capitalism or Communism..and most countries including the USA, China, Canada to name a few, have their own "combinations" of elements of the three major social-economic systems. 

Gandhiji is quite a fascinating person..he may look like a simpleton and his ideas may appear simple..but, just as the man himself..his views and actions were quite complex. 

Just like you Mr. CD:) You are no comrade, sorry Smile..to me, you are complex..you just seem to be more sensitive, open and compassionate towards people, esp. minorities- be it religious or racial...and in my book, that's a good thing.. to be a single voice, which sometimes has to stand out.
Maria, I'm not complex at all.. my opinions are based on my [lifelong] personal interactions with people of those faiths (common folk like you & me); all that 24x7 brainwashing by American media is not going to change that.

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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:08 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
An unsung triumph of India is how many of Gandhi’s ideas it discarded on its way to progress

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/world/asia/narendra-modi-to-replace-indias-planning-commission-.html?_r=0
Why is getting rid of the planning commission "Discarding Gandhi's ideas"? Are you trying to say that Gandhi's ideas represent the Planning Commission? If that is the case, then why have the Planning Commission and waste money on its members etc.? Why not the Govt. instead just use directly whatever Gandhi had written or said without having it go through the Planning Commission? That will be huge savings on the resources (spent on the planning commission) and quite consistent with Gandhi’s idea on not wasting things / resources unnecessarily.
Sevaji, I thought 5-year plan was a brainchild of Nehru; was surprised with Author's commentary and him taking digs at Gandhiji. The very fact that India didn't turn into another Pakistan or has not completely surrendered to any superpower (like Israel did/does) is an indicator/measure of success of India's policies and all the credit goes to the vision of the leaders like Gandhiji & Nehruji.

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Post by Hellsangel Thu Aug 21, 2014 8:44 pm

Comrade, has Israel surrendered to a super power? Are you sure?
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Post by Seva Lamberdar Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:32 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
An unsung triumph of India is how many of Gandhi’s ideas it discarded on its way to progress

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/21/world/asia/narendra-modi-to-replace-indias-planning-commission-.html?_r=0
Why is getting rid of the planning commission "Discarding Gandhi's ideas"? Are you trying to say that Gandhi's ideas represent the Planning Commission? If that is the case, then why have the Planning Commission and waste money on its members etc.? Why not the Govt. instead just use directly whatever Gandhi had written or said without having it go through the Planning Commission? That will be huge savings on the resources (spent on the planning commission) and quite consistent with Gandhi’s idea on not wasting things / resources unnecessarily.
Sevaji, I thought 5-year plan was a brainchild of Nehru; was surprised with Author's commentary and him taking digs at Gandhiji. The very fact that India didn't turn into another Pakistan or has not completely surrendered to any superpower (like Israel did/does) is an indicator/measure of success of India's policies and all the credit goes to the vision of the leaders like Gandhiji & Nehruji.

CD-ji,  5-year plan idea for national development schemes was not a brainchild of Nehru (or Gandhi) or even Indian. 5-year plans had been used by the Soviet Union as a part of its economic development since 1920s and people all over the world knew about them, especially the communists / socialists.

Btw the 5-year plans, as a separate category for development and economic policy, made a lot of sense in the communist and other countries where elections were not held regularly, but they hardly made any sense in the democratic countries (e.g. India) where the open elections were held every 4 or 5 years and the Govt. was supposed to come up with a new economic plan for the nation right before / after the election anyway.
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