ISIS - Liberal evolutionIS

by truthbetold Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:17 am

Here is a sequence of liberal view of ISIS evolved on such.

1. ISIS threat is a USA exaggeration.

2. ISIS is not threat to USA.

3. ISIS is a problem to middle east. Not a problem for USA.

4. Modi failed to offer support to fight ISIS.

5. Is Obama fight with ISIS going to be another Iraq? (long war)

6. Will USA stay to finish ISIS?

Poking holes in USA viewpoint but never a word about source of the problem.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:05 am

truthbetold wrote:Here is a sequence of liberal view of ISIS evolved on such.

1. ISIS threat is a USA exaggeration.

2. ISIS is not threat to USA.

3. ISIS is a problem to middle east. Not a problem for USA.

4. Modi failed to offer support to fight ISIS.

5. Is Obama fight with ISIS going to be another Iraq? (long war)

6. Will USA stay to finish ISIS?

Poking holes in USA viewpoint but never a word about source of the problem.

Of course they have....and the muslims who are at the receiving end will agree. The world has been discriminating them. All religions produce terrorists. Christians have USA, hindus have Modi and BJP, and muslims have ISIS, which is fighting in justice done by the Shia Government. They are filled with Saddam's men - and how can they be jehadis? it is only a few Al-Q men within ISIS who could have done wrong things. To punish the entire billion people is not correct. When they ruled Europe or India, they promoted their culture. even now most muslim countries hire foreigners. Saudi has 70% foreigners. Imagin what will happen to India if the Indians were sent back.

But, instead of being thankful, the world discriminates muslims. Palestine, Chechenya, Kashmir, Assam, Gujarat, Thailand, Sinkiang, Phillipines, Nigeria, UK, France and you name it - they are discriminated.

I know how they feel. I have a bangladeshi muslim and work with many muslims. Hindus can make a beginning and be nice to the fellow muslims.

by confuzzled dude Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:31 am

truthbetold wrote:Here is a sequence of liberal view of ISIS evolved on such.

1. ISIS threat is a USA exaggeration.

2. ISIS is not threat to USA.

3. ISIS is a problem to middle east. Not a problem for USA.

4. Modi failed to offer support to fight ISIS.

5. Is Obama fight with ISIS going to be another Iraq? (long war)

6. Will USA stay to finish ISIS?

Poking holes in USA viewpoint but never a word about source of the problem.

What is the source and what are you neocons doing about? May be you all should pickup your personal guns and follow the lead of McCain & Graham; Obama can facilitate to air drop you all along with those two old idiots, in Syria so you all can take them on and finish/destroy/decimate ISIS.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Sep 13, 2014 11:06 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is a sequence of liberal view of ISIS evolved on such.

1. ISIS threat is a USA exaggeration.

2. ISIS is not threat to USA.

3. ISIS is a problem to middle east. Not a problem for USA.

4. Modi failed to offer support to fight ISIS.

5. Is Obama fight with ISIS going to be another Iraq? (long war)

6. Will USA stay to finish ISIS?

Poking holes in USA viewpoint but never a word about source of the problem.
What is the source and what are you neocons doing about? May be you all should pickup your personal guns and follow the lead of McCain & Graham; Obama can facilitate to air drop you all along with those two old idiots, in Syria so you all can take them on and finish/destroy/decimate ISIS.

Yes..Mian Sahib: Extrapolation of every single simple mistake of a small group of muslims to the entire muslim population is hideous. As you rightly pointed out it is easy to blame the helpless easily forgetting the real reasons and the culprits.

by truthbetold Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:40 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is a sequence of liberal view of ISIS evolved on such.

1. ISIS threat is a USA exaggeration.

2. ISIS is not threat to USA.

3. ISIS is a problem to middle east. Not a problem for USA.

4. Modi failed to offer support to fight ISIS.

5. Is Obama fight with ISIS going to be another Iraq? (long war)

6. Will USA stay to finish ISIS?

Poking holes in USA viewpoint but never a word about source of the problem.
What is the source and what are you neocons doing about? May be you all should pickup your personal guns and follow the lead of McCain & Graham; Obama can facilitate to air drop you all along with those two old idiots, in Syria so you all can take them on and finish/destroy/decimate ISIS.

It is clear to all the source of the problem is: ISIS.

What do you think is the source?

Thanks for the addition of one more step in the evolution: You are critical of liberals, you have to join direct action against the enemy.

by Guest Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:51 pm

truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is a sequence of liberal view of ISIS evolved on such.

1. ISIS threat is a USA exaggeration.

2. ISIS is not threat to USA.

3. ISIS is a problem to middle east. Not a problem for USA.

4. Modi failed to offer support to fight ISIS.

5. Is Obama fight with ISIS going to be another Iraq? (long war)

6. Will USA stay to finish ISIS?

Poking holes in USA viewpoint but never a word about source of the problem.
What is the source and what are you neocons doing about? May be you all should pickup your personal guns and follow the lead of McCain & Graham; Obama can facilitate to air drop you all along with those two old idiots, in Syria so you all can take them on and finish/destroy/decimate ISIS.
It is clear to all the source of the problem is: ISIS.

What do you think is the source?

Thanks for the addition of one more step in the evolution: You are critical of liberals, you have to join direct action against the enemy.

The source of the problem is neither ISIS nor boko haram nor al qaida nor anything else. The source of the problem is this:

“There is no God but Allah, and Muhammad is his prophet”

by confuzzled dude Sat Sep 13, 2014 7:36 pm

truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Here is a sequence of liberal view of ISIS evolved on such.

1. ISIS threat is a USA exaggeration.

2. ISIS is not threat to USA.

3. ISIS is a problem to middle east. Not a problem for USA.

4. Modi failed to offer support to fight ISIS.

5. Is Obama fight with ISIS going to be another Iraq? (long war)

6. Will USA stay to finish ISIS?

Poking holes in USA viewpoint but never a word about source of the problem.
What is the source and what are you neocons doing about? May be you all should pickup your personal guns and follow the lead of McCain & Graham; Obama can facilitate to air drop you all along with those two old idiots, in Syria so you all can take them on and finish/destroy/decimate ISIS.
It is clear to all the source of the problem is: ISIS.

What do you think is the source?

Thanks for the addition of one more step in the evolution: You are critical of liberals, you have to join direct action against the enemy.

Sir, I was only asking them to walk their talk. When you run your mouth like Rambo it is only fair that your actions also resembled Rambo.

by Merlot Daruwala Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:07 pm

truthbetold wrote:
It is clear to all the source of the problem is: ISIS.

Ah, so the problem and its source are one and the same. Genius!

by truthbetold Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:58 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
It is clear to all the source of the problem is: ISIS.

Ah, so the problem and its source are one and the same. Genius!

Daruwala

Is it drinks that enhance your arrogance or is it arrogance that enhances your drunken stupor?

In your anxiousness to execute your drive by mouthing, you seem have confused source with another problem solving term? I will let you figure that out.

You have mastered the art of diversion of the discussions by pushing the discussions into upps aunty, unkil and modi territory.

CD , to his credit, states his opinions honestly and stands by them. Let us see if you have even one hundredth of that courage to express your real thoughts. Here are the questions related to ISIS.

What do you think of ISIS?

Is it a threat to anybody? Is it a threat to middle east? Is it a threat to US or west? Is it a threat to India?

Is there a need for action by anybody to counter ISIS? If yes? who should be acting?

What, if any, are the consequences of not acting against ISIS?

Is USA required to act against ISIS?

If you want to runaway from this discussion, you are welcome to do so.

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:58 am

truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
It is clear to all the source of the problem is: ISIS.

Ah, so the problem and its source are one and the same. Genius!
Daruwala

Is it drinks that enhance your arrogance or is it arrogance that enhances your drunken stupor?

In your anxiousness to execute your drive by mouthing, you seem have confused source with another problem solving term? I will let you figure that out.

You have mastered the art of diversion of the discussions by pushing the discussions into upps aunty, unkil and modi territory.

CD , to his credit, states his opinions honestly and stands by them. Let us see if you have even one hundredth of that courage to express your real thoughts. Here are the questions related to ISIS.

What do you think of ISIS?

Is it a threat to anybody? Is it a threat to middle east? Is it a threat to US or west? Is it a threat to India?

Is there a need for action by anybody to counter ISIS? If yes? who should be acting?

What, if any, are the consequences of not acting against ISIS?

Is USA required to act against ISIS?

If you want to runaway from this discussion, you are welcome to do so.

Wow Unkil, I can't believe this. You're actually asking me for my opinion instead of presuming to know exactly what I think on the topic. Are you ok?

Anyway, before you change your mind, here are my two bits: the US should learn to mind its own beeswax and stop meddling in affairs it has zero understanding of. Foreign forces propping up local despots is what gives ISIS (and its successors, after the US finishes this bunch off) the oxygen they need for their medieval-era agenda. Left to themselves, they will run out of gas at some point and disintegrate into a Somali-kind of chaos, given the innate checks and balances in the region. But now, with the sole superpower fretting about them, they are the heroes of the arab street, attracting the world's riffraff to its side for their salvation out of their miserable lives through martyrdom.

But this is all of academic interest now. The die is cast. Obummer has swallowed the bait and is too deep in it now to back out without losing face. So war it shall be. Yet again. With absolutely nothing to gain, and everything to lose. With fewer allies too.

PS: I wonder what happened to all those cheerleaders of the Arab Spring who used to wax eloquent on the bliss it was that dawn etc.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:02 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
It is clear to all the source of the problem is: ISIS.

Ah, so the problem and its source are one and the same. Genius!
Daruwala

Is it drinks that enhance your arrogance or is it arrogance that enhances your drunken stupor?

In your anxiousness to execute your drive by mouthing, you seem have confused source with another problem solving term? I will let you figure that out.

You have mastered the art of diversion of the discussions by pushing the discussions into upps aunty, unkil and modi territory.

CD , to his credit, states his opinions honestly and stands by them. Let us see if you have even one hundredth of that courage to express your real thoughts. Here are the questions related to ISIS.

What do you think of ISIS?

Is it a threat to anybody? Is it a threat to middle east? Is it a threat to US or west? Is it a threat to India?

Is there a need for action by anybody to counter ISIS? If yes? who should be acting?

What, if any, are the consequences of not acting against ISIS?

Is USA required to act against ISIS?

If you want to runaway from this discussion, you are welcome to do so.

Wow Unkil, I can't believe this. You're actually asking me for my opinion instead of presuming to know exactly what I think on the topic. Are you ok?

Anyway, before you change your mind, here are my two bits: the US should learn to mind its own beeswax and stop meddling in affairs it has zero understanding of. Foreign forces propping up local despots is what gives ISIS (and its successors, after the US finishes this bunch off) the oxygen they need for their medieval-era agenda. Left to themselves, they will run out of gas at some point and disintegrate into a Somali-kind of chaos, given the innate checks and balances in the region. But now, with the sole superpower fretting about them, they are the heroes of the arab street, attracting the world's riffraff to its side for their salvation out of their miserable lives through martyrdom.

But this is all of academic interest now. The die is cast. Obummer has swallowed the bait and is too deep in it now to back out without losing face. So war it shall be. Yet again. With absolutely nothing to gain, and everything to lose. With fewer allies too.

PS: I wonder what happened to all those cheerleaders of the Arab Spring who used to wax eloquent on the bliss it was that dawn etc.

I will ignore your drivel and focus on your "strategy" to fight ISIS?

Your strategy is " Left to themselves, they will run out of gas at some point and disintegrate into a Somali-kind of chaos, given the innate checks and balances in the region. "

Let us check somali itself. USA did just that in 1990s. What happened?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy_in_Somalia

ebola crisis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebola_virus_epidemic_in_West_Africa

Local govt cannot fight. WHO fails to respond with any strength. USA is the one of the countries that can provide short term and long term help.

Boko_haram

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boko_Haram

US has no role in this whole conflict. But it is the only force to provide resources to Nigeria to fight these extreme forces.

Libya drifted in a civil war till US stepped in and ended. Now it is in a new war. But that is the nature of change. It takes years of turmoil and few more killings before a more reasonable govt is formed. Progress is not a trend line going forward. It has many loops and twists. Egypt is now in a loop to old dictatorship with new names. But tunisia and algeria seem to be making progress.

Tunisia made solid progress after protests.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tunisia

Algeria made some progress

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algeria#Civil_War_and_aftermath

Saudi's made some concessions.

History is witness to bosnian atrocities. They came to an end only after US intervention.

Taliban and alqueida were reduced to minimal threats with Afghan war.

I am going to let you draw your conclusions from the above facts.

One can make a case against past US interventions in South america, Vietnam and recent Iraqi misadventure. But using that one brush to say every foreign policy action is unnecessary US intervention in the affairs of others is baseless and meaningless.

Is ISIS not in a position to cause major problems today and tomorrow?

Is ISIS proximity to world's major oil source a threat or not?

by Propagandhi711 Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:14 am

ever notice how the breast milk of kindness and concern of SUCH libbies does not flow towards the minorities that are being killed by the thousands by these islamic thugs and "would like for them to sort it out without outside intervention"? these intellectuals with wonderglasses would have said the same about the victims of germany and japan during ww2. but when it comes to a couple of victims in india under fascist modi's governance, they lactate profusely. wonderful sense of proportion evidenced by these intellectuals

by truthbetold Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:21 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:ever notice how the breast milk of kindness and concern of SUCH libbies does not flow towards the minorities that are being killed by the thousands by these islamic thugs and "would like for them to sort it out without outside intervention"? these intellectuals with wonderglasses would have said the same about the victims of germany and japan during ww2. but when it comes to a couple of victims in india under fascist modi's governance, they lactate profusely. wonderful sense of proportion evidenced by these intellectuals

Your post reminds me of the heart breaking stories published by mr. daruwala about the Afzal guru, the master mind behind parliament attack. His heart bled for nights and he could not sleep because afzal guru was subjected to some electric shots to sensitive parts. Such a noble soul thinks slitting the throat of foley is not worth any tears. Why is that?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:34 am

truthbetold wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:ever notice how the breast milk of kindness and concern of SUCH libbies does not flow towards the minorities that are being killed by the thousands by these islamic thugs and "would like for them to sort it out without outside intervention"? these intellectuals with wonderglasses would have said the same about the victims of germany and japan during ww2. but when it comes to a couple of victims in india under fascist modi's governance, they lactate profusely. wonderful sense of proportion evidenced by these intellectuals
Your post reminds me of the heart breaking stories published by mr. daruwala about the Afzal guru, the master mind behind parliament attack. His heart bled for nights and he could not sleep because afzal guru was subjected to some electric shots to sensitive parts. Such a noble soul thinks slitting the throat of foley is not worth any tears. Why is that?

You cant blame him...He was after all just doing what his Hubli masters told him to do...and his leadership in Udupi Muslim troubles perhaps led to his appointment as India Station chief for the new AL-Q in India.

He was doing what every trained Jehadist was supposed to do...

by Propagandhi711 Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:39 am

truthbetold wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:ever notice how the breast milk of kindness and concern of SUCH libbies does not flow towards the minorities that are being killed by the thousands by these islamic thugs and "would like for them to sort it out without outside intervention"? these intellectuals with wonderglasses would have said the same about the victims of germany and japan during ww2. but when it comes to a couple of victims in india under fascist modi's governance, they lactate profusely. wonderful sense of proportion evidenced by these intellectuals
Your post reminds me of the heart breaking stories published by mr. daruwala about the Afzal guru, the master mind behind parliament attack. His heart bled for nights and he could not sleep because afzal guru was subjected to some electric shots to sensitive parts. Such a noble soul thinks slitting the throat of foley is not worth any tears. Why is that?

because yahzis and shias and non-sunnis are far away abstraction and what you cannot see is not not as important afzal guru who eats kebabs and biryani and can be seen on local TV. also muslims can do no wrong, if they're indulging in old fashion killing it's because they are trying to 'sort out their issues' and should be left in peace by meddling powers

by confuzzled dude Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:48 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:ever notice how the breast milk of kindness and concern of SUCH libbies does not flow towards the minorities that are being killed by the thousands by these islamic thugs and "would like for them to sort it out without outside intervention"? these intellectuals with wonderglasses would have said the same about the victims of germany and japan during ww2. but when it comes to a couple of victims in india under fascist modi's governance, they lactate profusely. wonderful sense of proportion evidenced by these intellectuals
Your post reminds me of the heart breaking stories published by mr. daruwala about the Afzal guru, the master mind behind parliament attack. His heart bled for nights and he could not sleep because afzal guru was subjected to some electric shots to sensitive parts. Such a noble soul thinks slitting the throat of foley is not worth any tears. Why is that?

because yahzis and shias and non-sunnis are far away abstraction and what you cannot see is not not as important afzal guru who eats kebabs and biryani and can be seen on local TV. also muslims can do no wrong, if they're indulging in old fashion killing it's because they are trying to 'sort out their issues' and should be left in peace by meddling powers

What have guys decided? that killing another 100 thousand civilians in Iraq & Syria will justify the atrocities committed by ISIS.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 14, 2014 11:11 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:ever notice how the breast milk of kindness and concern of SUCH libbies does not flow towards the minorities that are being killed by the thousands by these islamic thugs and "would like for them to sort it out without outside intervention"? these intellectuals with wonderglasses would have said the same about the victims of germany and japan during ww2. but when it comes to a couple of victims in india under fascist modi's governance, they lactate profusely. wonderful sense of proportion evidenced by these intellectuals
Your post reminds me of the heart breaking stories published by mr. daruwala about the Afzal guru, the master mind behind parliament attack. His heart bled for nights and he could not sleep because afzal guru was subjected to some electric shots to sensitive parts. Such a noble soul thinks slitting the throat of foley is not worth any tears. Why is that?

because yahzis and shias and non-sunnis are far away abstraction and what you cannot see is not not as important afzal guru who eats kebabs and biryani and can be seen on local TV. also muslims can do no wrong, if they're indulging in old fashion killing it's because they are trying to 'sort out their issues' and should be left in peace by meddling powers
What have guys decided? that killing another 100 thousand civilians in Iraq & Syria will justify the atrocities committed by ISIS.

CD

who are the 100 thousand civilians? please let us know who killed them?

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:34 pm

truthbetold wrote:

who are the 100 thousand civilians? please let us know who killed them?

If ignorance was currency, you sir, would be the richest man on earth. Here, edumacate yourself: https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 14, 2014 1:48 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:ever notice how the breast milk of kindness and concern of SUCH libbies does not flow towards the minorities that are being killed by the thousands by these islamic thugs and "would like for them to sort it out without outside intervention"? these intellectuals with wonderglasses would have said the same about the victims of germany and japan during ww2. but when it comes to a couple of victims in india under fascist modi's governance, they lactate profusely. wonderful sense of proportion evidenced by these intellectuals
Your post reminds me of the heart breaking stories published by mr. daruwala about the Afzal guru, the master mind behind parliament attack. His heart bled for nights and he could not sleep because afzal guru was subjected to some electric shots to sensitive parts. Such a noble soul thinks slitting the throat of foley is not worth any tears. Why is that?

because yahzis and shias and non-sunnis are far away abstraction and what you cannot see is not not as important afzal guru who eats kebabs and biryani and can be seen on local TV. also muslims can do no wrong, if they're indulging in old fashion killing it's because they are trying to 'sort out their issues' and should be left in peace by meddling powers

Yeah I'm very selfish that way. I really don't care who comes out on top in the ancient blood feud between the Sunnis and the Shias, halfway across the world. They've been at it for more than a millennium and don't really need help from any outsiders. Minority Shia despots imagining they have a divine right to rule over majority Sunnis for perpetuity are in for a rude awakening, regardless of US intervention on their behalf or continued support from Iran. There is a certain set of events the invasion of '03 triggered, which will play out to their logical conclusion. The US is foolishly getting in the way and will squander some more blood and treasure over nothing. But let none of this boring stuff get in the way of your beer-fueled weekend machismo. Feel free to cheer the chickenhawks some more.

by truthbetold Sun Sep 14, 2014 3:40 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:

who are the 100 thousand civilians? please let us know who killed them?

If ignorance was currency, you sir, would be the richest man on earth. Here, edumacate yourself: https://www.iraqbodycount.org/

Dr. bullshit wala,

You will sell a brooklyn bridge if there is someone to believe your bullshit.

Your arrogance blinds you to simple realities of data. You thought I would never look at your data or study the data. That is why I asked for the data.

Have you looked at who is responsible for the civiian deaths?

Total civilian deaths - 129000 to 150000.
Coalition was listed responsible for 10 to 11% with ground war period contributing majority of those casualties.

70% or more of the deaths are caused by sunni insurgents and shia miliatias.

Rest can be attributed to Iraqi govt forces without coalition help.

How is USA responsible for 100000 plus civilian deaths? please edumacate us, o great Dr. arrogance.

Even when USA tried to stop the blood flow, shia and sunni killings reached nearly hundred thousand. What would happen if USA is totally absent from the scene. Does any one remeber bosnia? Did serbs stop till US started bombing? I am sure you conveniently push the memory of rwanda ( where USA did not step in)

The Rwandan Genocide was a genocidal mass slaughter of Tutsi and moderate Hutu in Rwanda by members of the Hutu majority. During the approximate 100-day period from April 7, 1994 to mid-July, an estimated 500,000–1,000,000 Rwandans were killed,^[1] constituting as much as 20% of the country's total population and 70% of the Tutsi then living in Rwanda.

Did I read someone say, US should stay out of mideast blood shed and let them settle the blood feuds. So why is dr. arrogance concerned about the results of shia and sunni killing themselves?

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:23 pm

truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:

who are the 100 thousand civilians? please let us know who killed them?

If ignorance was currency, you sir, would be the richest man on earth. Here, edumacate yourself: https://www.iraqbodycount.org/
Dr. bullshit wala,

You will sell a brooklyn bridge if there is someone to believe your bullshit.

Your arrogance blinds you to simple realities of data. You thought I would never look at your data or study the data. That is why I asked for the data.

Have you looked at who is responsible for the civiian deaths?

Total civilian deaths - 129000 to 150000.
Coalition was listed responsible for 10 to 11% with ground war period contributing majority of those casualties.

70% or more of the deaths are caused by sunni insurgents and shia miliatias.

Rest can be attributed to Iraqi govt forces without coalition help.

How is USA responsible for 100000 plus civilian deaths? please edumacate us, o great Dr. arrogance.

Access to data alone, without critical thinking faculties, leads to long, verbose inanities of which you are king.

Has it occurred to you that but for Dubya's invasion on false pretexts, those 195k civilians would still be alive in an unhappy but functioning state under Saddam? When one counts the bodies, it can't just be the folks actually shot or bombed by US forces but also others who died in the civil war that the US precipitated in Iraq. Hope this helps.

by truthbetold Mon Sep 15, 2014 10:26 pm

Dr. Bullshit daruwala,

The starting point of this data analysis is "who killed them?"

Now that the data proves the claim coalition killed 100 thousand civilians is debunked, we can move on to your tribe's next propaganda.

You yourself stated that blood letting is common for these people and let them kill each other for some time. But when blood letting took place between shias and sunnis, despite the best efforts of coalition forces, you say coalition forces are responsible for killing those civilians. But never utter a word about the perpetrators of the crimes.

Middle east problems are the created by obscurantist islamic culture. They will kill themselves and cause havoc for the rest of the world because they cannot escape their own medieval thinking. USA made mistakes but USA did not cause the problem. In any case, ordinary people of middle east want better life. They will figure a way out.

Examples of your other critical thinking:

1. Delhi rape case - You said 'Protesting people are fools, pickpocketers, and grope women. Nothing changes.' People voted out the govt of delhi.

2. Anna Hazare - You mocked 'Corruption protests are useless. Nothing changes. "(guess what , sonia and gang were sent packing).

3. Middle east will not change was your line. You said 'arab spring is useless.' Tunisia changed. Algeria making progress. Libya, syria are going through harsh changes. unfortunately Egypt made a u turn. Change is happening but it takes zig zag path. Yet you keep saying arab spring failed and people should not fight for their rights. Ordinary people found a way. It is arab spring. you will se more springs in coming decade.

You obviously cannot see beyond your nose.

Change does not come through obscurantist forces. Change requires critical thinking.

Change comes through honest analysis of data. Change comes through action.

But you got one data point that trumps everything. 'Ram sena went after some bar hopping women'. That is proof enough that Indian democracy and secularism are in mortal and imminent danger. And that ram sena is the mother of all problems around the world. Repeat that one single data 153 times to counter all of the above arguments. Now that is critical thinking. Throw in Upps aunty, unkil, and akal ka dushman . That completes educamation.

Thanks for your educamation.

by Merlot Daruwala Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:41 am

Bwahaha...that's right Unkil. Rapes don't happen any more in India. Corruption was vanquished in the second independence struggle and democracy is nicely blooming all over the Middle East and North Africa. I shall sleep peacefully tonight knowing that the world is a far better place than I'd figured before I had the privilege of your edumacation. Thank you.

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