truthbetold wrote:CD

you and daruwala earned your reputations. It is not a result of one post or one discussion. Do not try to act innocent.  Stand up for your opinions like a man and stop complaining.

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:All the protests by Hindus for some western ad company leveraging a Hindu god's idol are no different than the worldwide protests by Muslims over a Danish cartoon. And what was the reason for beating that poor guy in Pune to death? Was it any different than that Kerala example you have provided. In India Muslims are discriminated more than Hindus yet they appear to be reasonably tolerant wonder what would happen if roles were reversed


CD,

There are fundamental differences in what constitutes blasphemy in Islam and Hinduism. This is clear to any unbiased person. In Pune, someone was beaten to death because of derogatory comments on Bal Thackeray/Shivaji due to local issues, we have had cases where people kill each other because someone passed a derogatory comment on the movie stars they like.

If you think about it, the derogatory comments against Shivaji / Bal Thackeray elicited zero reaction in Tamilnadu / Bengal where Hindus constitute majority as well. Karunanidhi routinely ridicules Hindu Gods/Goddesses in a Hindu majority state and is a successful politician and has been chief minister for around 20 years..

There is no concept of blasphemy in Hinduism unlike Islam which clearly mandates anyone that goes against the rules be dealt with severely. People like Karunanidhi / Nehru become chief minister / prime minister in India whereas people like Taslima Nasreen are chased out in Muslim majority countries and harassed even in India..

Clearly, Islam has to grow up in how it treats its blasphemers.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:All the protests by Hindus for some western ad company leveraging a Hindu god's idol are no different than the worldwide protests by Muslims over a Danish cartoon. And what was the reason for beating that poor guy in Pune to death? Was it any different than that Kerala example you have provided. In India Muslims are discriminated more than Hindus yet they appear to be reasonably tolerant wonder what would happen if roles were reversed


CD,

There are fundamental differences in what constitutes blasphemy in Islam and Hinduism. This is clear to any unbiased person. In Pune, someone was beaten to death because of derogatory comments on Bal Thackeray/Shivaji due to local issues, we have had cases where people kill each other because someone passed a derogatory comment on the movie stars they like.

If you think about it, the derogatory comments against Shivaji / Bal Thackeray elicited zero reaction in Tamilnadu / Bengal where Hindus constitute majority as well. Karunanidhi routinely ridicules Hindu Gods/Goddesses in a Hindu majority state and is a successful politician and has been chief minister for around 20 years..

There is no concept of blasphemy in Hinduism unlike Islam which clearly mandates anyone that goes against the rules be dealt with severely. People like Karunanidhi / Nehru become chief minister / prime minister in India whereas people like Taslima Nasreen are chased out in Muslim majority countries and harassed even in India..

Clearly, Islam has to grow up in how it treats its blasphemers.

While I agree with the basic premise of your point I don't think we can generalize on one hand and focus narrowly on specific incidents on the other hand. In India there are many muslims who do not strictly adhere to the tenets of Islam, they smoke, drink and consume non-halal meat but you don't read news of them being punished for blasphemy, do you?

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:All the protests by Hindus for some western ad company leveraging a Hindu god's idol are no different than the worldwide protests by Muslims over a Danish cartoon. And what was the reason for beating that poor guy in Pune to death? Was it any different than that Kerala example you have provided. In India Muslims are discriminated more than Hindus yet they appear to be reasonably tolerant wonder what would happen if roles were reversed


CD,

There are fundamental differences in what constitutes blasphemy in Islam and Hinduism. This is clear to any unbiased person. In Pune, someone was beaten to death because of derogatory comments on Bal Thackeray/Shivaji due to local issues, we have had cases where people kill each other because someone passed a derogatory comment on the movie stars they like.

If you think about it, the derogatory comments against Shivaji / Bal Thackeray elicited zero reaction in Tamilnadu / Bengal where Hindus constitute majority as well. Karunanidhi routinely ridicules Hindu Gods/Goddesses in a Hindu majority state and is a successful politician and has been chief minister for around 20 years..

There is no concept of blasphemy in Hinduism unlike Islam which clearly mandates anyone that goes against the rules be dealt with severely. People like Karunanidhi / Nehru become chief minister / prime minister in India whereas people like Taslima Nasreen are chased out in Muslim majority countries and harassed even in India..

Clearly, Islam has to grow up in how it treats its blasphemers.

While I agree with the basic premise of your point I don't think we can generalize on one hand and focus narrowly on specific incidents on the other hand. In India there are many muslims who do not strictly adhere to the tenets of Islam, they smoke, drink and consume non-halal meat but you don't read news of them being punished for blasphemy, do you?

I think you don't understand blasphemy. Ridiculing the prophet or equating another God with Allah is blasphemy. Followers drinking or gambling or getting interest from banks though against principles of islam is not.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:All the protests by Hindus for some western ad company leveraging a Hindu god's idol are no different than the worldwide protests by Muslims over a Danish cartoon. And what was the reason for beating that poor guy in Pune to death? Was it any different than that Kerala example you have provided. In India Muslims are discriminated more than Hindus yet they appear to be reasonably tolerant wonder what would happen if roles were reversed


CD,

There are fundamental differences in what constitutes blasphemy in Islam and Hinduism. This is clear to any unbiased person. In Pune, someone was beaten to death because of derogatory comments on Bal Thackeray/Shivaji due to local issues, we have had cases where people kill each other because someone passed a derogatory comment on the movie stars they like.

If you think about it, the derogatory comments against Shivaji / Bal Thackeray elicited zero reaction in Tamilnadu / Bengal where Hindus constitute majority as well. Karunanidhi routinely ridicules Hindu Gods/Goddesses in a Hindu majority state and is a successful politician and has been chief minister for around 20 years..

There is no concept of blasphemy in Hinduism unlike Islam which clearly mandates anyone that goes against the rules be dealt with severely. People like Karunanidhi / Nehru become chief minister / prime minister in India whereas people like Taslima Nasreen are chased out in Muslim majority countries and harassed even in India..

Clearly, Islam has to grow up in how it treats its blasphemers.

While I agree with the basic premise of your point I don't think we can generalize on one hand and focus narrowly on specific incidents on the other hand. In India there are many muslims who do not strictly adhere to the tenets of Islam, they smoke, drink and consume non-halal meat but you don't read news of them being punished for blasphemy, do you?

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:All the protests by Hindus for some western ad company leveraging a Hindu god's idol are no different than the worldwide protests by Muslims over a Danish cartoon. And what was the reason for beating that poor guy in Pune to death? Was it any different than that Kerala example you have provided. In India Muslims are discriminated more than Hindus yet they appear to be reasonably tolerant wonder what would happen if roles were reversed


CD,

There are fundamental differences in what constitutes blasphemy in Islam and Hinduism. This is clear to any unbiased person. In Pune, someone was beaten to death because of derogatory comments on Bal Thackeray/Shivaji due to local issues, we have had cases where people kill each other because someone passed a derogatory comment on the movie stars they like.

If you think about it, the derogatory comments against Shivaji / Bal Thackeray elicited zero reaction in Tamilnadu / Bengal where Hindus constitute majority as well. Karunanidhi routinely ridicules Hindu Gods/Goddesses in a Hindu majority state and is a successful politician and has been chief minister for around 20 years..

There is no concept of blasphemy in Hinduism unlike Islam which clearly mandates anyone that goes against the rules be dealt with severely. People like Karunanidhi / Nehru become chief minister / prime minister in India whereas people like Taslima Nasreen are chased out in Muslim majority countries and harassed even in India..

Clearly, Islam has to grow up in how it treats its blasphemers.

While I agree with the basic premise of your point I don't think we can generalize on one hand and focus narrowly on specific incidents on the other hand. In India there are many muslims who do not strictly adhere to the tenets of Islam, they smoke, drink and consume non-halal meat but you don't read news of them being punished for blasphemy, do you?

>>>That's a rather broad swipe in itself. PS's point is that hindus are not circumscribed to any meaningful extent by this idea of blasphemy. It is an alien concept to them. The West has outgrown it in practical terms. This is why you don't see anyone waging wars to defend Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism. This seems to be an obsession with Islam. To keep insisting that is not the case, contrary to everything happening around us is to be in denial of the problem. Moral equivalency of everyone cannot be a presumed imperative if you want to have an intellectually honest analysis. Each one may have its own deficiencies, as these are man-made and shaped by their environments. They can and should be addressed independently, but should not be an excuse to back down from calling a spade a spade when it comes just to one religion. Others are not obliged to buy into the 'peace' narrative offered up by the Islamic world when there are actions emanating from it that belie this narrative.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote: Others are not obliged to buy into the 'peace' narrative offered up by the Islamic world when there are actions emanating from it that belie this narrative.

We're digressing from the discussion which is about Hindus intolerance. Did u read  the link I posted where death threats were received by swimwear producer for using goddess Lakshmi's picture. My point is we tend to ignore or downplay these incidents while highlighting only negativity on the other side

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Ponniyin Selvan wrote:All the protests by Hindus for some western ad company leveraging a Hindu god's idol are no different than the worldwide protests by Muslims over a Danish cartoon. And what was the reason for beating that poor guy in Pune to death? Was it any different than that Kerala example you have provided. In India Muslims are discriminated more than Hindus yet they appear to be reasonably tolerant wonder what would happen if roles were reversed


CD,

There are fundamental differences in what constitutes blasphemy in Islam and Hinduism. This is clear to any unbiased person. In Pune, someone was beaten to death because of derogatory comments on Bal Thackeray/Shivaji due to local issues, we have had cases where people kill each other because someone passed a derogatory comment on the movie stars they like.

If you think about it, the derogatory comments against Shivaji / Bal Thackeray elicited zero reaction in Tamilnadu / Bengal where Hindus constitute majority as well. Karunanidhi routinely ridicules Hindu Gods/Goddesses in a Hindu majority state and is a successful politician and has been chief minister for around 20 years..

There is no concept of blasphemy in Hinduism unlike Islam which clearly mandates anyone that goes against the rules be dealt with severely. People like Karunanidhi / Nehru become chief minister / prime minister in India whereas people like Taslima Nasreen are chased out in Muslim majority countries and harassed even in India..

Clearly, Islam has to grow up in how it treats its blasphemers.

While I agree with the basic premise of your point I don't think we can generalize on one hand and focus narrowly on specific incidents on the other hand. In India there are many muslims who do not strictly adhere to the tenets of Islam, they smoke, drink and consume non-halal meat but you don't read news of them being punished for blasphemy, do you?

>>>That's a rather broad swipe in itself. PS's point is that hindus are not circumscribed to any meaningful extent by this idea of blasphemy. It is an alien concept to them. The West has outgrown it in practical terms. This is why you don't see anyone waging wars to defend Christianity or Hinduism or Buddhism. This seems to be an obsession with Islam. To keep insisting that is not the case, contrary to everything happening around us is to be in denial of the problem. Moral equivalency of everyone cannot be a presumed imperative if you want to have an intellectually honest analysis. Each one may have its own deficiencies, as these are man-made and shaped by their environments. They can and should be addressed independently, but should not be an excuse to back down from calling a spade a spade when it comes just to one religion. Others are not obliged to buy into the 'peace' narrative offered up by the Islamic world when there are actions emanating from it that belie this narrative.

We're digressing from the discussion which is about Hindus intolerance. Did u read  the link I posted where death threats were received by swimwear producer for using goddess Lakshmi's picture. My point is we tend to ignore or downplay these incidents while highlighting only negativity on the other side

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
We're digressing from the discussion which is about Hindus intolerance. Did u read  the link I posted where death threats were received by swimwear producer for using goddess Lakshmi's picture. My point is we tend to ignore or downplay these incidents while highlighting only negativity on the other side

>>>No, I did not read the part about the death threats re: Lakshmi, but I will address it. As a Hindu, I think they are nutcases that need to be dealt with severely if they take a fraction of a step in the direction of acting on it. As a litmus test, you can ask a random sampling of Hindus if they agree with the death threat due to the 'blasphemy' involved. I doubt that you are going to find takers.  A downplaying of the incident would entail questioning you if the incident ever really happened or excusing the thuggish behavior on the basis of  'others do it too' or attributing the behavior as being due to victimization by others and therefore excusable. If you are not doing that, but others are, I am not sure why they should not be called on it for fear of being 'negative.

truthbetold wrote:Daruwala
indulging in drive by mouthing, confounding facts and diverting discussions to such poster personalities is your specialiyy. Another of your specialiy is misrepresenting facts and misuse of facts as evidenced by examples like mangalore bar /incident.

You use hinditva thuggishness vs nuts in other religions.

So in case of one group,  they have a philosophy to kill other religion people and you have evidence of many such killings. Before uppili jumps to wrong conclusion,  let me clarify you meant hindutva thugs.

On the other hand, it is nut cases of other religions. No religion can be mentioned. No quantitative indicator of actions or no specific reference to specific types of actions. Is the choice of the words accidental? If it is accidental,  this accident happens in every post. If that indicates a deliberate method to you,  then it is your conclusion.

truthbetold wrote:Daruwala
Do nor pretend to sleep.
We now know Nov 26 does not matter. Innocent lives lost in hyd or Jaipur or Delhi does not matter. But if afzal guru gets mistreated your heart bleeds.
Posters including you comment about world wide events. Your sudden silence about a particular religions activities is too loud to ignore and too obvious to hide behind I do not care.
No one can force you to state your innermost feelings but despite your valiant efforts your true feelings are revealed bywhat you write,  what you get passionate about and what you avoid saying. Each additional post adds to the pile of biased posts.

You can have your opinions. Stop protesting your labels. You are a jihadi apologist.

truthbetold wrote:Daruwala
Do nor pretend to sleep.
We now know Nov 26 does not matter. Innocent lives lost in hyd or Jaipur or Delhi does not matter. But if afzal guru gets mistreated your heart bleeds.
Posters including you comment about world wide events. Your sudden silence about a particular religions activities is too loud to ignore and too obvious to hide behind I do not care.
No one can force you to state your innermost feelings but despite your valiant efforts your true feelings are revealed bywhat you write,  what you get passionate about and what you avoid saying. Each additional post adds to the pile of biased posts.

You can have your opinions. Stop protesting your labels. You are a jihadi apologist.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

truthbetold wrote:Daruwala
Do nor pretend to sleep.
We now know Nov 26 does not matter. Innocent lives lost in hyd or Jaipur or Delhi does not matter. But if afzal guru gets mistreated your heart bleeds.
Posters including you comment about world wide events. Your sudden silence about a particular religions activities is too loud to ignore and too obvious to hide behind I do not care.
No one can force you to state your innermost feelings but despite your valiant efforts your true feelings are revealed bywhat you write,  what you get passionate about and what you avoid saying. Each additional post adds to the pile of biased posts.

You can have your opinions. Stop protesting your labels. You are a jihadi apologist.

Bwahahaha...Sure. You of course, know it all.