Anna Hazare had been found guilty of corruption

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:24 am

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Sawant-says-he-had-held-Hazare-guilty-of-corruption/articleshow/9603042.cms

by Ram Sharan Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:14 pm

Anna's only act of so-called corruption is 2.2 lakhs. Even judge says that. CONgress government's corruption is 2 lakh crores in one single 2G case. Munni posts about 2 lakhs of misused private money, but she never posted about 2 lakh crores of stolen government money.

Munni badnam hui, CONgress tere liye.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:16 pm

Ram Sharan wrote:Anna's only act of so-called corruption is 2.2 lakhs. Even judge says that. CONgress government's corruption is 2 lakh crores in one single 2G case. Munni posts about 2 lakhs of misused private money, but she never posted about 2 lakh crores of stolen government money.

Munni badnam hui, CONgress tere liye.

--> the point is that does someone who is himself corrupt have the credibility to lead an anti-corruption crusade?

by Ram Sharan Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:19 pm

Munni, u are corrupt. U abused family members of posters for years. U lie many times as charvaka showed. U have zero credibility to attack someone like Anna Hazare. Samjhi? Don't try and become more badnam, theek hai? Jake nach-gane ke liye taiyar hoja.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:23 pm

Ram Sharan wrote:Munni, u are corrupt. U abused family members of posters for years. U lie many times as charvaka showed. U have zero credibility to attack someone like Anna Hazare. Samjhi? Don't try and become more badnam, theek hai? Jake nach-gane ke liye taiyar hoja.

--> do you agree that corruption is corruption. If Hazare was found guilty of corruption to the tune of Rs 2.2 Lakh rupees, then he does not have the credibility to lead an anti-corruption crusade himself? do you agree with this?

by Ram Sharan Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:31 pm

Munni, tu hindi ki itni batein karti hai angrezi mein, kabhi hindi kyon nahin bola karti? Tujhe hindi nahin aati?

May be his followers used money from private trust to celebrate his birthday. He did not steal money like CONwallahs. 2 lakhs buys nothing in CON-ruled India. So stop lying about his so-called corruption, Munni. If you really care about corruption then talk about 2 lakh crores of public money looted by CON government.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:36 pm

Ram Sharan wrote:Munni, tu hindi ki itni batein karti hai angrezi mein, kabhi hindi kyon nahin bola karti? Tujhe hindi nahin aati?

May be his followers used money from private trust to celebrate his birthday. He did not steal money like CONwallahs. 2 lakhs buys nothing in CON-ruled India. So stop lying about his so-called corruption, Munni. If you really care about corruption then talk about 2 lakh crores of public money looted by CON government.

Justice (Retd) P B Sawant, whose probe found that an amount of Rs 2.2
lakhs was diverted from Anna Hazare’s trust for his birthday
celebrations, on Sunday said this action amounted to "corruption."
"An amount of Rs 2.2 lakh was utilised from this Trust for his own
felicitation. That is

proved and Mr Hazare has not denied. Now you can't use money of the Trust for your own
purpose. That amounts to corruption. That's the only act of corruption
that was proved, nothing more than that," Samant, a retired Supreme
Court judge told TV channels.

Sawant made these remarks when asked to comment on the Congress's
stand that his report has given details of corruption done by Hazare. He
said the utilisation of the Trust money for Hazare's birthday
celebration in his home village in Maharashtra was the only one
allegation proved against him.

The Maharashtra government had instituted a Commission of Inquiry
under justice P B Sawant in September 2003 to inquire into allegations
of corruption and maladministration against several people, including
four ministers and the Hind Swaraj Trust run by Hazare.

The Commission submitted its report on February 22, 2005 in which it
indicted Hind Swaraj Trust for spending Rs 2.20 lakh of its funds on the
birthday celebrations of Hazare finding it to be a "corrupt" practice.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/News-Feed/newdelhi/Hazare-guilty-of-corruption-Justice-Sawant/Article1-733315.aspx

by Ram Sharan Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:46 pm

Judge said, nothing more was proved. Munni's focus is on case of 2 lakhs of private money with no stealing. When 2 lakh crores of public money was looted in daylight.

SomeProfile theek bola. CONgoons munni ki ma ka rape kar rahe the, aur Munni chup chap tamasha dekh rahi thi. Padosi aye madad karne, to Munni boli, "achcha unkil aap ko bhi buri adat thi, pan chabane ka... aap ki kya credibility hai rapist ka samna karne ka?"

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:47 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Ram Sharan wrote:Munni, u are corrupt. U abused family members of posters for years. U lie many times as charvaka showed. U have zero credibility to attack someone like Anna Hazare. Samjhi? Don't try and become more badnam, theek hai? Jake nach-gane ke liye taiyar hoja.

--> do you agree that corruption is corruption. If Hazare was found guilty of corruption to the tune of Rs 2.2 Lakh rupees, then he does not have the credibility to lead an anti-corruption crusade himself? do you agree with this?

2.2 Lakh rs spent by his supporters to celibrate is corruption, then someone should look into who is bankrolling Soniambaal's health care charges - easily must have crossed $2,20,000 by now.

Yes... Hazare will not have the credibility IF found guilty. So first let them find him guilty and come back again.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:49 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Ram Sharan wrote:Munni, u are corrupt. U abused family members of posters for years. U lie many times as charvaka showed. U have zero credibility to attack someone like Anna Hazare. Samjhi? Don't try and become more badnam, theek hai? Jake nach-gane ke liye taiyar hoja.

--> do you agree that corruption is corruption. If Hazare was found guilty of corruption to the tune of Rs 2.2 Lakh rupees, then he does not have the credibility to lead an anti-corruption crusade himself? do you agree with this?

2.2 Lakh rs spent by his supporters to celibrate is corruption, then someone should look into who is bankrolling Soniambaal's health care charges - easily must have crossed $2,20,000 by now.

Yes... Hazare will not have the credibility IF found guilty. So first let them find him guilty and come back again.

--> He has already been found guilty. Relevant extract from the hindustan times article whose link i gave earlier:

Justice (Retd) P B Sawant, whose probe found that an amount of Rs 2.2
lakhs was diverted from Anna Hazare’s trust for his birthday
celebrations, on Sunday said this action amounted to "corruption."
"An amount of Rs 2.2 lakh was utilised from this Trust for his own
felicitation. That is proved and Mr Hazare has not denied . Now you can't use money of the Trust for your own
purpose. That amounts to corruption. That's the only act of corruption
that was proved, nothing more than that," Samant, a retired Supreme
Court judge told TV channels.

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:54 pm

Does the trust receive any taxpayer funds? Or is it a private trust that takes in voluntary donations? If the latter, I don't know why the government is involved in this at all, except as a witch-hunt against a political opponent. They should first probe into the finances of the Satya Sai Baba trust, before they bother with Rs. 2.2 lakhs. The fraud there is likely to be few thousand times more than anything with Hazare's trust.

The retired judge and his staff very likely made more money (paid by the taxpayer) on this probe than the Rs. 2.2 lakhs of irregularities that they unearthed! The irony then would be that the government wasted more taxpayer money on discrediting Hazare, than Hazare wasted from the trust for his birthday!

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 3:56 pm

Rashmun wrote:He has already been found guilty.

I see... do retired judges have the power to convict people?

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:17 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:He has already been found guilty.
I see... do retired judges have the power to convict people?

--> The retired supreme court judge has pronounced Hazare guilty of corruption. Hazare is free to take this judge to court for maligning him if he thinks he is innocent and is being targeted unfairly.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:25 pm

charvaka wrote:Does the trust receive any taxpayer funds? Or is it a private trust that takes in voluntary donations? If the latter, I don't know why the government is involved in this at all, except as a witch-hunt against a political opponent. They should first probe into the finances of the Satya Sai Baba trust, before they bother with Rs. 2.2 lakhs. The fraud there is likely to be few thousand times more than anything with Hazare's trust.

The retired judge and his staff very likely made more money (paid by the taxpayer) on this probe than the Rs. 2.2 lakhs of irregularities that they unearthed! The irony then would be that the government wasted more taxpayer money on discrediting Hazare, than Hazare wasted from the trust for his birthday!

--> Hazare's trust (Hind Swaraj Trust) does receive taxpayer funds.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:32 pm

charvaka wrote:Does the trust receive any taxpayer funds? Or is it a private trust that takes in voluntary donations? If the latter, I don't know why the government is involved in this at all, except as a witch-hunt against a political opponent. They should first probe into the finances of the Satya Sai Baba trust, before they bother with Rs. 2.2 lakhs. The fraud there is likely to be few thousand times more than anything with Hazare's trust.

The retired judge and his staff very likely made more money (paid by the taxpayer) on this probe than the Rs. 2.2 lakhs of irregularities that they unearthed! The irony then would be that the government wasted more taxpayer money on discrediting Hazare, than Hazare wasted from the trust for his birthday!

I am convinced such thinking are too high level for Rashman. He s a simpleton. Looks for some site - any site - that supports his biased view, and cites, uses, quotes, from that site. If someone pushes him to the brink he adds an addendum "I agree with those views"

You can argue with an idiot, and you can argue with a smart guy, but you cannot argue with an idiot who thinks he is smart - and that is Rashman for ya.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:35 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
charvaka wrote:Does the trust receive any taxpayer funds? Or is it a private trust that takes in voluntary donations? If the latter, I don't know why the government is involved in this at all, except as a witch-hunt against a political opponent. They should first probe into the finances of the Satya Sai Baba trust, before they bother with Rs. 2.2 lakhs. The fraud there is likely to be few thousand times more than anything with Hazare's trust.

The retired judge and his staff very likely made more money (paid by the taxpayer) on this probe than the Rs. 2.2 lakhs of irregularities that they unearthed! The irony then would be that the government wasted more taxpayer money on discrediting Hazare, than Hazare wasted from the trust for his birthday!

I am convinced such thinking are too high level for Rashman. He s a simpleton. Looks for some site - any site - that supports his biased view, and cites, uses, quotes, from that site. If someone pushes him to the brink he adds an addendum "I agree with those views"

You can argue with an idiot, and you can argue with a smart guy, but you cannot argue with an idiot who thinks he is smart - and that is Rashman for ya.

--> Charvaka says he does not know whether Hazare's trust receives tax payer money or not. But Charvaka's confusion is high level thinking according to our very own village bumpkin Uppili.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:54 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:Does the trust receive any taxpayer funds? Or is it a private trust that takes in voluntary donations? If the latter, I don't know why the government is involved in this at all, except as a witch-hunt against a political opponent. They should first probe into the finances of the Satya Sai Baba trust, before they bother with Rs. 2.2 lakhs. The fraud there is likely to be few thousand times more than anything with Hazare's trust.

The retired judge and his staff very likely made more money (paid by the taxpayer) on this probe than the Rs. 2.2 lakhs of irregularities that they unearthed! The irony then would be that the government wasted more taxpayer money on discrediting Hazare, than Hazare wasted from the trust for his birthday!

--> Hazare's trust (Hind Swaraj Trust) does receive taxpayer funds.

I know how rashman interpreted in his own twisted way. Some of those who donated money to his NGOs paid taxes. Therefore, that money can be called "Taxpayer" money.

TAXPAYER Funds means FUNDS DIRECTLY given by the GOVERNMENT - just saying.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 4:57 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:Does the trust receive any taxpayer funds? Or is it a private trust that takes in voluntary donations? If the latter, I don't know why the government is involved in this at all, except as a witch-hunt against a political opponent. They should first probe into the finances of the Satya Sai Baba trust, before they bother with Rs. 2.2 lakhs. The fraud there is likely to be few thousand times more than anything with Hazare's trust.

The retired judge and his staff very likely made more money (paid by the taxpayer) on this probe than the Rs. 2.2 lakhs of irregularities that they unearthed! The irony then would be that the government wasted more taxpayer money on discrediting Hazare, than Hazare wasted from the trust for his birthday!

--> Hazare's trust (Hind Swaraj Trust) does receive taxpayer funds.

I know how rashman interpreted in his own twisted way. Some of those who donated money to his NGOs paid taxes. Therefore, that money can be called "Taxpayer" money.

TAXPAYER Funds means FUNDS DIRECTLY given by the GOVERNMENT - just saying.

'Hind Swaraj Trust diverted Rs 10 lakh'

TNN Jun 22, 2004, 01.33am IST
PUNE:
A chartered accountant, hired by Maharashtra food minister Suresh Jain,
to inspect the accounts of trusts headed by noted social crusader Anna
Hazare, on Monday told the P B Sawant commission that Hazare's Hind Swaraj Trust diverted
Rs 10 lakh from the 'model village' scheme grant given by the state
government in 1995-96. The commission has started probing charges of
corruption made by Jain against the anti-graft crusader.
The charges of corruption leveled by Hazare against Jain will be taken up later.
Chartered
accountant Vijay Kataria, who deposed before the commission, said that
the HST received Rs 65.85 lakh from the state government and another Rs
49.28 lakh for the 'model village' scheme.
As per the agreement between the HST and the government, the money was not to be diverted for any other project.

"My inspection of the accounts
revealed that during 1995-96, the HST diverted Rs 10 lakh to the
national training centre, which is a central government scheme, Rs 8.48
lakh was diverted for furniture and construction, and Rs 1.56 lakh was
paid as tour advance," he said.
Kataria said that it was not clear whether Hazare sought permission for this diversion.
He claimed that the fund utilisation certificate given by the HST to the state government was improper on these counts.
Kataria
also told the commission that the HST did not submit its audit reports
from 1995 till 2002 to the charity commissioner within the stipulated
time in March every year.
"The
delay has been more than six months, but HST does not appear to have
sought the charity commissioner's permission for delay in submission,"
he claimed.
As per the
conditions set by the state and Union governments, leftover funds from
the grant has to be returned to the government.
"However, Rs 3.18 lakh of leftover funds were transferred to HST's carryover fund," he revealed.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2004-06-22/pune/27151085_1_hst-anna-hazare-p-b-sawant-commission

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:06 pm

Rashmun wrote:

--> Hazare's trust (Hind Swaraj Trust) does receive taxpayer funds.

I know how rashman interpreted in his own twisted way. Some of those who donated money to his NGOs paid taxes. Therefore, that money can be called "Taxpayer" money.

TAXPAYER Funds means FUNDS DIRECTLY given by the GOVERNMENT - just saying.[/quote]

'Hind Swaraj Trust diverted Rs 10 lakh'

TNN Jun 22, 2004, 01.33am IST
PUNE:
A chartered accountant, hired by Maharashtra food minister Suresh Jain,
to inspect the accounts of trusts headed by noted social crusader Anna
Hazare, on Monday told the P B Sawant commission that Hazare's Hind Swaraj Trust diverted
Rs 10 lakh from the 'model village' scheme grant given by the state
government in 1995-96. The commission has started probing charges of
corruption made by Jain against the anti-graft crusader.
The charges of corruption leveled by Hazare against Jain will be taken up later.
Chartered. As per the conditions set by the state and Union governments, leftover funds from
the grant has to be returned to the government. "However, Rs 3.18 lakh of leftover funds were transferred to HST's carryover fund," he revealed.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2004-06-22/pune/27151085_1_hst-anna-hazare-p-b-sawant-commission
[/quote]

Show me where he used the funds to buy personal foreign trips, personal cars, personal land, personal houses, personal companies, personal mines...

then those are corruption. Peeing on the street as a kid by Hazare cannot be compared to the bank robberies indulged by the Congress.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:11 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

--> Hazare's trust (Hind Swaraj Trust) does receive taxpayer funds.

I know how rashman interpreted in his own twisted way. Some of those who donated money to his NGOs paid taxes. Therefore, that money can be called "Taxpayer" money.

TAXPAYER Funds means FUNDS DIRECTLY given by the GOVERNMENT - just saying.

'Hind Swaraj Trust diverted Rs 10 lakh'

TNN Jun 22, 2004, 01.33am IST
PUNE:
A chartered accountant, hired by Maharashtra food minister Suresh Jain,
to inspect the accounts of trusts headed by noted social crusader Anna
Hazare, on Monday told the P B Sawant commission that Hazare's Hind Swaraj Trust diverted
Rs 10 lakh from the 'model village' scheme grant given by the state
government in 1995-96. The commission has started probing charges of
corruption made by Jain against the anti-graft crusader.
The charges of corruption leveled by Hazare against Jain will be taken up later.
Chartered. As per the conditions set by the state and Union governments, leftover funds from
the grant has to be returned to the government. "However, Rs 3.18 lakh of leftover funds were transferred to HST's carryover fund," he revealed.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2004-06-22/pune/27151085_1_hst-anna-hazare-p-b-sawant-commission
[/quote]

Show me where he used the funds to buy personal foreign trips, personal cars, personal land, personal houses, personal companies, personal mines...

then those are corruption. Peeing on the street as a kid by Hazare cannot be compared to the bank robberies indulged by the Congress.[/quote]

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:13 pm

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:41 pm

Rashmun wrote:Hazare's trust (Hind Swaraj Trust) does receive taxpayer funds.

Is there any accusation from you, Congress, or anyone else that Hazare was personally involved in any fraudulent activities that benefited him financially? After a taxpayer-funded investigation, the inquiry came up with the conclusion that 2.2 lakhs of money that was wasted on a birthday celebration, but nothing else.

PS: This one is inspired by Merlot. When there are many many larger cases of corruption that are not getting any attention from the government, a Rs. 2.2 lakhs case prioritized above all of them. Is this a politically motivated misuse of public funds?

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:46 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Hazare's trust (Hind Swaraj Trust) does receive taxpayer funds.
Is there any accusation from you, Congress, or anyone else that Hazare was personally involved in any fraudulent activities that benefited him financially? After a taxpayer-funded investigation, the inquiry came up with the conclusion that 2.2 lakhs of money that was wasted on a birthday celebration, but nothing else.

PS: This one is inspired by Merlot. When there are many many larger cases of corruption that are not getting any attention from the government, a Rs. 2.2 lakhs case prioritized above all of them. Is this a politically motivated misuse of public funds?

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:49 pm

Rashmun wrote:

Are you incapable of accusing him yourself, in your own words? Or are you shy? Or not clear exactly what the Congress wants to accuse him of, but want to go along with the party line anyway?

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:49 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Hazare's trust (Hind Swaraj Trust) does receive taxpayer funds.
Is there any accusation from you, Congress, or anyone else that Hazare was personally involved in any fraudulent activities that benefited him financially? After a taxpayer-funded investigation, the inquiry came up with the conclusion that 2.2 lakhs of money that was wasted on a birthday celebration, but nothing else.

PS: This one is inspired by Merlot. When there are many many larger cases of corruption that are not getting any attention from the government, a Rs. 2.2 lakhs case prioritized above all of them. Is this a politically motivated misuse of public funds?

Here is my poser:

The report by the judge was submitted in 2005. If the opposition Congress govt. did not pursue it further by filing a case in the court, it means the Congress did not think he was corrupt and exonerated him. What were the GoI, the congress, and Rashman doing all these months when he launched his agitation 6 months ago ?

why suddenly give speeches on a 2005 report that the Congress itself discarded - almost 6 years ago.

So this is a no brainer to understand the veracity - except for people like Rashman.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:49 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Hazare's trust (Hind Swaraj Trust) does receive taxpayer funds.
Is there any accusation from you, Congress, or anyone else that Hazare was personally involved in any fraudulent activities that benefited him financially? After a taxpayer-funded investigation, the inquiry came up with the conclusion that 2.2 lakhs of money that was wasted on a birthday celebration, but nothing else.

PS: This one is inspired by Merlot. When there are many many larger cases of corruption that are not getting any attention from the government, a Rs. 2.2 lakhs case prioritized above all of them. Is this a politically motivated misuse of public funds?

--> since hazare is trying to destabilize the congress govt., it is natural that the congress will hit back at him. the point is: is Anna Hazare himself corrupt or not. Even if he is involved in corruption of one hundred rupees, he loses the moral right to become a crusader against corruption and someone who goes about trying to destabilize an elected govt.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 6:50 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Are you incapable of accusing him yourself, in your own words? Or are you shy? Or not clear exactly what the Congress wants to accuse him of, but want to go along with the party line anyway?

--> i want you to do some work yourself instead of always asking me to spoon feed you.

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:00 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:Are you incapable of accusing him yourself, in your own words? Or are you shy? Or not clear exactly what the Congress wants to accuse him of, but want to go along with the party line anyway?

--> i want you to do some work yourself instead of always asking me to spoon feed you.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:03 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:Are you incapable of accusing him yourself, in your own words? Or are you shy? Or not clear exactly what the Congress wants to accuse him of, but want to go along with the party line anyway?

--> i want you to do some work yourself instead of always asking me to spoon feed you.

--> everytime you get caught with your pants down, you end up doing lol!

so as no doubt to conceal your embarrassment and shame.

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:05 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:Are you incapable of accusing him yourself, in your own words? Or are you shy? Or not clear exactly what the Congress wants to accuse him of, but want to go along with the party line anyway?

--> i want you to do some work yourself instead of always asking me to spoon feed you.

--> everytime you get caught with your pants down, you end up doing so as no doubt to conceal your embarrassment and shame.

All right! Anna Hazare had been found guilty of corruption 3077217049

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:07 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:Are you incapable of accusing him yourself, in your own words? Or are you shy? Or not clear exactly what the Congress wants to accuse him of, but want to go along with the party line anyway?

--> i want you to do some work yourself instead of always asking me to spoon feed you.

--> everytime you get caught with your pants down, you end up doing so as no doubt to conceal your embarrassment and shame.
All right!

All right Charvako. Keep laughing nervously in the fear that i am going to come and kick you on your balls. lol!

by truthbetold Sun Aug 14, 2011 7:49 pm

Rashmun,

Congress has every right and political need to dig up dirt on Anna Hazare. So I am forwarding some classfied records from closed CBI Vault from Indira gandhi era.

1. Anna Hazare was caught eating Jammon while on fast in 1975 Jai Prakash narayan's Movement.

2. Anna Hazare was also accused of spending a 100 rupee bill in a five star
during freedom struggle. Govt is trying to identify which five star hotel it was and it will also come out with the waiters name. One problem facing govt is that in 1940s there were no five star hotels in Pune.

3. Anna Hazare was also widely known for lewd behaviour. He was caught kissing a 3 year old girl and asking her to be his lover. His family was agahst. They refused to communicate with him for a while. His sister was particularly upset and ashamed Anna's actions. Only his brother supported Anna and said that was beautiful. So you can see that Anna Hazare's character was suspect even when was 5 year old.

How can nation entrust its anti corruption movement to such a corrupt, deceitful Gandhian? The argument that he is not corrupt all his life is not important now that we know he spent a 100 rupee bill in a five star hotel in 1940s.

I will my little part in saving massively corrupt congress govt from such imperfect, 100 rupee bill spending corrupt Gandhians.

No Gandhi but Sonia Gandhi. Jai Ho.

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:49 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:He has already been found guilty.
I see... do retired judges have the power to convict people?

--> The retired supreme court judge has pronounced Hazare guilty of corruption. Hazare is free to take this judge to court for maligning him if he thinks he is innocent and is being targeted unfairly.

Can't Hazare just declare that he is not guilty? Why do we need courts when we can have police issue punishments and retired judges give out verdicts?

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 10:55 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:He has already been found guilty.
I see... do retired judges have the power to convict people?

--> The retired supreme court judge has pronounced Hazare guilty of corruption. Hazare is free to take this judge to court for maligning him if he thinks he is innocent and is being targeted unfairly.
Can't Hazare just declare that he is not guilty? Why do we need courts when we can have police issue punishments and retired judges give out verdicts?

--> Because just declaring that you are innocent is not enough in the court of public opinion when a retired supreme court judge pronounces you guilty of corruption (after an investigation).

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:00 pm

Rashmun wrote:Because just declaring that you are innocent is not enough in the court of public opinion when a retired supreme court judge pronounces you guilty of corruption (after an investigation).

Want to conduct a poll? Ask "who is more corrupt?" and provide two choices: Anna Hazare and Congress (I). See what the court of public opinion says. Go ahead.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:03 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Because just declaring that you are innocent is not enough in the court of public opinion when a retired supreme court judge pronounces you guilty of corruption (after an investigation).
Want to conduct a poll? Ask "who is more corrupt?" and provide two choices: Anna Hazare and Congress (I). See what the court of public opinion says. Go ahead.

--> i am not disputing your statement. all i am saying is that a corrupt person cannot become a crusader against corruption. any crusader against corruption has to be very careful that nobody can raise a finger against him for corruption.

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:25 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Because just declaring that you are innocent is not enough in the court of public opinion when a retired supreme court judge pronounces you guilty of corruption (after an investigation).
Want to conduct a poll? Ask "who is more corrupt?" and provide two choices: Anna Hazare and Congress (I). See what the court of public opinion says. Go ahead.

--> i am not disputing your statement. all i am saying is that a corrupt person cannot become a crusader against corruption. any crusader against corruption has to be very careful that nobody can raise a finger against him for corruption.

Let us buy your argument for a bit. If you are not disputing my statement that Congress is more corrupt than Anna Hazare, then, applying your own logic, does Congress have any moral standing in questioning Anna Hazare about his probity?

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:32 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Because just declaring that you are innocent is not enough in the court of public opinion when a retired supreme court judge pronounces you guilty of corruption (after an investigation).
Want to conduct a poll? Ask "who is more corrupt?" and provide two choices: Anna Hazare and Congress (I). See what the court of public opinion says. Go ahead.

--> i am not disputing your statement. all i am saying is that a corrupt person cannot become a crusader against corruption. any crusader against corruption has to be very careful that nobody can raise a finger against him for corruption.
Let us buy your argument for a bit. If you are not disputing my statement that Congress is more corrupt than Anna Hazare, then, applying your own logic, does Congress have any moral standing in questioning Anna Hazare about his probity?

--> Yes. a crusader against corruption is almost like a judge. He has to be honest. otherwise it is like one thief fighting with another. Public support will never be unequivocal for any crusader against corruption who is himself vulnerable to the charge of corruption.

--> another factor to consider is: is hazare acting on his own, or is he a BJP/RSS agent as the Congress alleges.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:37 pm

Rashmun wrote:

--> Yes. a crusader against corruption is almost like a judge. He has to be honest. otherwise it is like one thief fighting with another. Public support will never be unequivocal for any crusader against corruption who is himself vulnerable to the charge of corruption.

Here is an opportunity for you to give your OWN opinion:

Who do you think should lead the anti-corruption movement? are do you suggest that until some pure jesus-like figure is born and proven beyond Rashmun's doubt about his honesty, congress should be allowed to continue their corruption projects unhindered?

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:41 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

--> Yes. a crusader against corruption is almost like a judge. He has to be honest. otherwise it is like one thief fighting with another. Public support will never be unequivocal for any crusader against corruption who is himself vulnerable to the charge of corruption.

Here is an opportunity for you to give your OWN opinion:

Who do you think should lead the anti-corruption movement? are do you suggest that until some pure jesus-like figure is born and proven beyond Rashmun's doubt about his honesty, congress should be allowed to continue their corruption projects unhindered?

--> i don't have anyone in mind right now.

by charvaka Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:52 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

--> Yes. a crusader against corruption is almost like a judge. He has to be honest. otherwise it is like one thief fighting with another. Public support will never be unequivocal for any crusader against corruption who is himself vulnerable to the charge of corruption.

Here is an opportunity for you to give your OWN opinion:

Who do you think should lead the anti-corruption movement? are do you suggest that until some pure jesus-like figure is born and proven beyond Rashmun's doubt about his honesty, congress should be allowed to continue their corruption projects unhindered?

--> i don't have anyone in mind right now.

In other words, you are comfortable with corruption that cost the exchequer two lakh crore rupees, because you are uncomfortable with the guy whose trust spent two lakh rupees on his birthday party.

by Guest Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:55 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

--> Yes. a crusader against corruption is almost like a judge. He has to be honest. otherwise it is like one thief fighting with another. Public support will never be unequivocal for any crusader against corruption who is himself vulnerable to the charge of corruption.

Here is an opportunity for you to give your OWN opinion:

Who do you think should lead the anti-corruption movement? are do you suggest that until some pure jesus-like figure is born and proven beyond Rashmun's doubt about his honesty, congress should be allowed to continue their corruption projects unhindered?

--> i don't have anyone in mind right now.
In other words, you are comfortable with corruption that cost the exchequer two lakh crore rupees, because you are uncomfortable with the guy whose trust spent two lakh rupees on his birthday party.

--> this is correct. i will just add that a retired supreme court judge has, after investigation, concluded that he is guilty of corruption. and now, on further reflection, i do have some names (of thoroughly honest people) in mind. i will disclose them in the new thread i have just started.

by charvaka Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:09 am

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:In other words, you are comfortable with corruption that cost the exchequer two lakh crore rupees, because you are uncomfortable with the guy whose trust spent two lakh rupees on his birthday party.

--> this is correct.

Thank you for that confession. You support the guys who robbed you and me of two lakh crore rupees, because you are worried about the guy whose trust misspent two lakh rupees. I rest my case.

by Guest Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:11 am

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:In other words, you are comfortable with corruption that cost the exchequer two lakh crore rupees, because you are uncomfortable with the guy whose trust spent two lakh rupees on his birthday party.

--> this is correct.
Thank you for that confession. You support the guys who robbed you and me of two lakh crore rupees, because you are worried about the guy whose trust misspent two lakh rupees. I rest my case.

--> if the guy who the retired supreme court judge accused of corruption had the opportunity to rob two lakh crore rupees, he would have done so. because a thief is a thief.

by charvaka Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:14 am

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:In other words, you are comfortable with corruption that cost the exchequer two lakh crore rupees, because you are uncomfortable with the guy whose trust spent two lakh rupees on his birthday party.

--> this is correct.
Thank you for that confession. You support the guys who robbed you and me of two lakh crore rupees, because you are worried about the guy whose trust misspent two lakh rupees. I rest my case.

--> if the guy who the retired supreme court judge accused of corruption had the opportunity to rob two lakh crore rupees, he would have done so. because a thief is a thief.

And that would still be 100,000 times less than the guys you are supporting robbed us of just in one of their many projects... just saying.

by Guest Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:16 am

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:In other words, you are comfortable with corruption that cost the exchequer two lakh crore rupees, because you are uncomfortable with the guy whose trust spent two lakh rupees on his birthday party.

--> this is correct.
Thank you for that confession. You support the guys who robbed you and me of two lakh crore rupees, because you are worried about the guy whose trust misspent two lakh rupees. I rest my case.

--> if the guy who the retired supreme court judge accused of corruption had the opportunity to rob two lakh crore rupees, he would have done so. because a thief is a thief.
And that would still be 100,000 times less than the guys you are supporting robbed us of just in one of their many projects... just saying.

--> the point is that given an opportunity a thief would rob as much as he can. the country does not need an anti corruption crusader who is himself a thief.

by charvaka Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:19 am

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

--> this is correct.
Thank you for that confession. You support the guys who robbed you and me of two lakh crore rupees, because you are worried about the guy whose trust misspent two lakh rupees. I rest my case.

--> if the guy who the retired supreme court judge accused of corruption had the opportunity to rob two lakh crore rupees, he would have done so. because a thief is a thief.
And that would still be 100,000 times less than the guys you are supporting robbed us of just in one of their many projects... just saying.

--> the point is that given an opportunity a thief would rob as much as he can. the country does not need an anti corruption crusader who is himself a thief.

You made a nice jump there to calling Hazare a thief. Congrats on that achievement. Really.

Even the retired judge does not accuse Hazare of stealing money. Read his statement carefully. The accusation is that the trust misused money to felicitate Hazare on his birthday. In the judge's own words, per the article you yourself cited: "nothing more than that."

If that makes Hazare a thief, your repeated pattern of behavior on CH makes you much worse than a shameless liar.

by Guest Mon Aug 15, 2011 12:29 am

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:Thank you for that confession. You support the guys who robbed you and me of two lakh crore rupees, because you are worried about the guy whose trust misspent two lakh rupees. I rest my case.

--> if the guy who the retired supreme court judge accused of corruption had the opportunity to rob two lakh crore rupees, he would have done so. because a thief is a thief.
And that would still be 100,000 times less than the guys you are supporting robbed us of just in one of their many projects... just saying.

--> the point is that given an opportunity a thief would rob as much as he can. the country does not need an anti corruption crusader who is himself a thief.
You made a nice jump there to calling Hazare a thief. Congrats on that achievement. Really.

Even the retired judge does not accuse Hazare of stealing money. Read his statement carefully. The accusation is that the trust misused money to felicitate Hazare on his birthday. In the judge's own words, per the article you yourself cited: "nothing more than that."

If that makes Hazare a thief, your repeated pattern of behavior on CH makes you much worse than a shameless liar.

--> Charvako, i love how you jump around from having a sober discourse into pointless name calling. The judge specifically uses the word 'Corruption' for Hazare's trust utilizing Rs 2.2 lakh rupees for celebrating his birthday. This was a proven case of corruption. In his written report, the judge makes further allegations against Hazare; Manish Tiwari--the Congress spokesperson--gives direct quotations from the written report of this retired supreme court judge. You never did bother to hear Tiwari--i have posted the video of Tiwari's interview in an earlier post-- but you are very free to call me names. Why so? Well, upbringing does matter.

by charvaka Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:30 am

Rashmun wrote:jump around from having a sober discourse into pointless name calling.

Irony alert!

Rashmun wrote:Manish Tiwari--the Congress spokesperson

By your own logic, you shouldn't be listening to any Congress spokesman regarding corruption. As you confessed, Congress is more corrupt than Hazare, so by your logic, you should not listen to Congress about Hazare's purported corruption!

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Aug 15, 2011 1:39 am

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:In other words, you are comfortable with corruption that cost the exchequer two lakh crore rupees, because you are uncomfortable with the guy whose trust spent two lakh rupees on his birthday party.

--> this is correct.
Thank you for that confession. You support the guys who robbed you and me of two lakh crore rupees, because you are worried about the guy whose trust misspent two lakh rupees. I rest my case.

Imagine a guy who is trying to kill an innocent man. A 3rd person tries to intervene. But, Rashman will prevent the 3rd person from interfering and saving the innocent man being killed because he found out that the 3rd person was once a pickpocket.

This must be rashmun logic - only Merlot can admire.

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