Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

nevada wrote:

Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

Bro Anil himself is a convert - he was born a Brahmin.

Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

Just like our maha-patriots, chaddies use no common sense; they could've done all this quietly under the radar, nobody would've cared, but no.. they ought to show their limp-wristed bravery to everyone and want the whole world to hear the empty noise produced by their feeble temper.

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

Just like our maha-patriots, chaddies use no common sense; they could've done all this quietly under the radar, nobody would've cared, but no.. they ought to show their limp-wristed bravery to everyone and want the whole world to hear the empty noise produced by their feeble temper.

ya, what to do? They have not as savvy, cunning and tactful as the professional and seasoned missionaries. This hue and cry about the re-conversions is a cunning ploy too, of the anti-hindu, anti-modi junta (including you). It sure is going to backfire. Ppl are getting sick of all the double standards.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

Just like our maha-patriots, chaddies use no common sense; they could've done all this quietly under the radar, nobody would've cared, but no.. they ought to show their limp-wristed bravery to everyone and want the whole world to hear the empty noise produced by their feeble temper.

ya, what to do? They have not as savvy, cunning and tactful as the professional and seasoned missionaries. This hue and cry about the re-conversions is a cunning ploy too, of the anti-hindu, anti-modi junta (including you). It sure is going to backfire. Ppl are getting sick of all the double standards.

The difference is, missionaries don't force, it's all voluntary (you can call it cunning, if that makes you feel happy) where as our chaddies think it is their birthright to force conversions on others, always carrying that 1000 years of muslim rule chip on their shoulder.

Kinnera wrote:
You are only fooling yourself if you say that it's voluntary. Luring the poor with goodies, tricking them and using dubious methods on the innocent, illiterate masses, instigating them to turn against their own religion to order to make them convert is voluntary? If it's voluntary and ppl converted so out of their own strong convictions, they would stick to their converted religion no matter what. And you won't be so worried and insecure now that they could convert back to their own religion.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
You are only fooling yourself if you say that it's voluntary. Luring the poor with goodies, tricking them and using dubious methods on the innocent, illiterate masses, instigating them to turn against their own religion to order to make them convert is voluntary? If it's voluntary and ppl converted so out of their own strong convictions, they would stick to their converted religion no matter what. And you won't be so worried and insecure now that they could convert back to their own religion.

Amma pettadu adukku tina nivvadu, annatlu undi tamari argument. These low caste untouchables won't think of converting if they are treated as equals by so called caste people. By your logic, why aren't missionaries able to attract or turn as many high caste folks against their own religion?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
You are only fooling yourself if you say that it's voluntary. Luring the poor with goodies, tricking them and using dubious methods on the innocent, illiterate masses, instigating them to turn against their own religion to order to make them convert is voluntary? If it's voluntary and ppl converted so out of their own strong convictions, they would stick to their converted religion no matter what. And you won't be so worried and insecure now that they could convert back to their own religion.

Amma pettadu adukku tina nivvadu, annatlu undi tamari argument. These low caste untouchables won't think of converting if they are treated as equals by so called caste people. By your logic, why aren't missionaries able to attract or turn as many high caste folks against their own religion?

Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

How come you are so eager to talk about conversions, but not on the flare-up in pre-meditated violence committed on minorities - Muslim and Christian - ever since the BJP came to power?

truthbetold wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

How come you are so eager to talk about conversions, but not on the flare-up in pre-meditated violence committed on minorities - Muslim and Christian - ever since the BJP came to power?

Md

How come you cannot bring yourself to comment on Jehadi atrocities that are happening every day?  How come you are always present to divert jehadi related discussions?

Hyderabad: In the last six months, over 8,000 people in Andhra Pradesh and Telangana have been reconverted to Hinduism under the aegis of the VHP’s  “Ghar Wapsi” programme. And Hyderabad too is not lagging behind.

“More than 1,200 members (comprising families) were reconverted to Hinduism in Hyderabad. Reconversions were made mainly in Balajinagar of Kushaiguda, ST Hills, Borabanda, Uppal and other areas of the city,” said Mr Venkatesh, in-charge AP and TS, Vishwa Hindu Parishad (VHP).

Mr Venkatesh added, “We don’t call it conversion but Ghar Wapsi (homecoming) as they were wrongly influenced to convert to other religions by claiming that their economic condition would improve.”

truthbetold wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

How come you are so eager to talk about conversions, but not on the flare-up in pre-meditated violence committed on minorities - Muslim and Christian - ever since the BJP came to power?

Md

How come you cannot bring yourself to comment on Jehadi atrocities that are happening every day?  How come you are always present to divert jehadi related discussions?

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:Where were all these ppl when the missionaries were converting poor hindus left and right over the past many decades? Where was your anguish when conversions were rampant in AP when YSR was at the helm? His own son-in-law, brother Anil was very active in that. I am damn sure you know about it all.

So when hindus are converted to christianity or islam, it is ok. But it is not ok when they are converted back to hinduism. Doing so is religious intolerance and the ones doing it are militants! The missionaries who did the same were holy people. right? And demeaning hinduism and calling hindu gods as false gods and demons and turning the converts against hindus and hinduism is religious tolerance. right?
Such hypocrisy and double standards is disgusting!

Just like our maha-patriots, chaddies use no common sense; they could've done all this quietly under the radar, nobody would've cared, but no.. they ought to show their limp-wristed bravery to everyone and want the whole world to hear the empty noise produced by their feeble temper.

ya, what to do? They have not as savvy, cunning and tactful as the professional and seasoned missionaries. This hue and cry about the re-conversions is a cunning ploy too, of the anti-hindu, anti-modi junta (including you). It sure is going to backfire. Ppl are getting sick of all the double standards.

The difference is, missionaries don't force, it's all voluntary (you can call it cunning, if that makes you feel happy) where as our chaddies think it is their birthright to force conversions on others, always carrying that 1000 years of muslim rule chip on their shoulder.

You are only fooling yourself if you say that it's voluntary. Luring the poor with goodies, tricking them and using dubious methods on the innocent, illiterate masses, instigating them to turn against their own religion to order to make them convert is voluntary? If it's voluntary and ppl converted so out of their own strong convictions, they would stick to their converted religion no matter what. And you won't be so worried and insecure now that they could convert back to their own religion.

pravalika nanda wrote:I don't know why SEs call it religious intolerance when hindus engage in conversions but are cool with it when non-hindus do the same. Anyone who thinks the latter are in anyway peaceful is just living in a urban, upper-class bubble far removed from the poverty that plagues the Indians who are subjected to this disruption in their lives.

And all of us including people who live in INdia are only watching this on TV or reading about it on the net, from a very safe distance . So it makes no difference whether you're in India or outside of it. I don't know why someone who lives in india eating foods from various countries and drinking european wines and playing golf and who has close to zero interactions with the indina poor thinks he's more indian than indina people in the US.

For instance, take Merlot, do you think he could survive a week in a rural village in southern india wearing a lungi or whatever the traditional male indian attire is in that part without shooting himself? I can easily do that and more. I'm willing to suffer a little. I have family and friends and business investments in India. Moreover I was born there. How's he more Indian? He's always politically correct but he's not always correct. It makes no sense that he thinks he has some special right to talk of India like it's nobody else's business.

It's like saying ebola is only west Africa's business.

southindian wrote:
"it's all voluntary" was fun.

In AP every Hindu caste has a price for conversion. A reputed Brahmin of social status and name is paid up to 4~5 lakhs for conversion to Christianity. A poor laborer could make 7~10 thousand rupees for whole family conversion. A city dweller gets more than a villager. Get you friends in... and you get the cut.

Its pure business of soul harvesting.

confuzzled dude wrote:

southindian wrote:
"it's all voluntary" was fun.

In AP every Hindu caste has a price for conversion. A reputed Brahmin of social status and name is paid up to 4~5 lakhs for conversion to Christianity. A poor laborer could make 7~10 thousand rupees for whole family conversion. A city dweller gets more than a villager. Get you friends in... and you get the cut.

Its pure business of soul harvesting.

How much money did you make SI, brokering?

confuzzled dude wrote:Hope is in danger of crumbling that Prime Minister Narendra Modi would rein in the divisive agenda of his militant Hindu-nationalist supporters and allow India to concentrate on the important work of economic reform, and the blame lies squarely with Mr. Modi.

During the last days of its winter session ending on Tuesday, Parliament was unable to deal with important legislative business because of repeated adjournments and an uproar over attempts by Hindu groups to convert Christians and Muslims. The issue has come to a head following a “homecoming” campaign by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad — groups dedicated to transforming India’s secular democracy into a Hindu state — to “reconvert” Christians and Muslims to Hinduism.

In recent weeks, Hindu militants have engineered conversions of Muslims and Christians in Agra and in the states of Gujarat and Kerala. Police are investigating accusations that people have been induced to participate in mass conversion meetings by a combination of intimidation and bribery, including the promise of food ration cards. Attacks on Christians and their places of worship have intensified in recent weeks. One of New Delhi’s biggest churches burned down on Dec. 1 — arson is being blamed — and Christmas carolers were attacked on their way home in the city of Hyderabad on Dec. 12.

More than 80 percent of Indians are Hindus, but Muslims, Christians and Sikhs form important religious minorities with centuries of history in India. Religious pluralism and freedom are protected by India’s Constitution. The issue of religious conversion is contentious in India. Many Dalits, known formerly as untouchables, and other low-caste Hindus and Tribals admit they convert to Islam or Christianity primarily to escape crushing caste prejudice and oppression. The main architect of the Constitution, Dr. Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar, born a Dalit, famously converted to Buddhism to escape caste-oppression under Hinduism.

As opposition political leaders are demanding, Mr. Modi must break his silence and issue a stern warning to emboldened Hindu militants before their actions turn further progress on economic reform into a sideshow, with the politics and divisiveness occupying center stage.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/26/opinion/religious-intolerance-in-india.html?_r=0

Is religious fanaticism dragging India the Pakistan’s way?

When Indian media paid no attention to the repercussions of Narendra Modi’s leadership, it was a section of international media which predicted, during the general election campaign, that if a hardcore Hindu nationalist like Modi became the Prime Minister of the most religiously diverse country of the world, Hindu nationalism and religious fanaticism would increase with strident anti-Muslim sentiments. This could lead to communal and ethnic violence, instability and catastrophic incidents. Are these dire predictions turning into a reality now?

It is apparent, in the last six months, that fanatical Hindutva forces are not leaving any stone unturned to spread religious hatred. They are distorting history to hurt the sentiments of Muslim, conducting forcible conversions and making highly provocative statements. One after the other, top leaders of Sangh Parivar are publicly saying “India is a Hindu Rashtra” and that they would convert all the Muslims and Christians to Hinduism before 2021.

This excessive intolerance and religious fanaticism of Sangh Parivar is not only derailing the development agenda of BJP-led NDA government, but also disturbing communal harmony too. This may lead to communal violence and lawlessness. The horrific events happening in Pakistan are chilling examples of devastating side- effects of religious fanaticism. India should learn a lesson and curb the activities of religious bigots. Otherwise, the situation here would resemble Pakistan if things go adrift, as it is happening in the last six months.

Is religious fanaticism dragging India the Pakistan’s way?

http://twocircles.net/2014dec25/1419527587.html#.VKF6_P8JDA

This precisely was what secular SuCHers were worried about, all along. With a weak leader at the helm who has been relegated to puppet status, all the good work done over the years is in the danger of being ruined by the fanatics that belong to the ruling party. It is about time our maha-patriots took off their saffron-tinted glasses so they get the clear picture.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Great....so which option do you support to solve this Chaddi problem?

1. Ban all reconversion to hinduism

OR

2. Ban ALL conversion

1 or 2 ?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Great....so which option do you support to solve this Chaddi problem?

1. Ban all reconversion to hinduism

OR

2. Ban ALL conversion

1 or 2 ?

What's the need for a new law? Aren't laws against conversion in place, in may states? If Modi cannot raise his voice against BJP's sister organizations, he should resign and let someone else who is capable of, take over. So far he has been a failure; never seen things get out of control so drastically in such a short time period.

Kris wrote:
>>>1) These laws that are in place already. Have they been enforced previously to your satisfaction? 

Kris wrote:
2) Who would you suggest take over? And via what legal mechanism - a re-election? Allow Congress to take over because it is the opposition?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>>1) These laws that are in place already. Have they been enforced previously to your satisfaction? 

Yes, because BJP & her sister organizations didn't whine when they were sitting in opposition.

Kris wrote:
2) Who would you suggest take over? And via what legal mechanism - a re-election? Allow Congress to take over because it is the opposition?

What happens when PM resigns? would the opposition take over, is that typical?

Kris wrote:
>>> 1) My question was whether you think the laws were enforced. The opposition whining does not by itself doesn't make or break an issue.

Kris wrote:
       2) My second question is a straightforward one. You are asking that a PM elected with a thumping majority vote to resign. Aside from the weird precedent it would set, if he does that, what is the mechanism to replace him or his party? If there is a re-election, for whatever reason, what if they get elected again? If the ultimate arbiter in this is not the general population via an election, wouldn't that nullify the idea of a democratic election process?

confuzzled dude wrote:

What's the need for a new law? Aren't laws against conversion in place, in may states? If Modi cannot raise his voice against BJP's sister organizations, he should resign and let someone else who is capable of, take over. So far he has been a failure; never seen things get out of control so drastically in such a short time period.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:
>>> 1) My question was whether you think the laws were enforced. The opposition whining does not by itself doesn't make or break an issue.

I think the laws were adequately enforced as there weren't any murmurs under previous regime let alone the chest thumping & overt calls for a Hindu state since NDA came to power.

Kris wrote:
       2) My second question is a straightforward one. You are asking that a PM elected with a thumping majority vote to resign. Aside from the weird precedent it would set, if he does that, what is the mechanism to replace him or his party? If there is a re-election, for whatever reason, what if they get elected again? If the ultimate arbiter in this is not the general population via an election, wouldn't that nullify the idea of a democratic election process?

I said Modi should resign because of his inability to clampdown on Hindu militant activity, 33% of Indian citizens think that Modi is giving religious issues priority over development, which I think is significant number. About your question, President has the ultimate authority to dissolve the government, right? Going by history, he will ask BJP to elect a new PM with the confidence of both houses. If that doesn't happen and BJP gets re-elected then Modi shouldn't be appointed as PM given his utter failure to keep communal harmony.

Kris wrote:
1) On the other hand, the chest thumping could be a reaction to laws having been applied unequally. It may be bravado and not  healthy, but neither is selective application of the law. Either the law is against it or is okay with it, whether it is conversions or re-conversions.

Kris wrote:
2) 33% on one issue does not a majority make, to state the obvious. The President presumably cannot dissolve the government citing that. I understand you may not care for Modi. If he does not perform overall within a reasonable length of time, the elections offer the corrective. Viewed against the context of the prior administrations, this is way too early in the game to measure ROI.

confuzzled dude wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/26/opinion/religious-intolerance-in-india.html?_r=0

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Great....so which option do you support to solve this Chaddi problem?

1. Ban all reconversion to hinduism

OR

2. Ban ALL conversion

1 or 2 ?

What's the need for a new law? Aren't laws against conversion in place, in may states? If Modi cannot raise his voice against BJP's sister organizations, he should resign and let someone else who is capable of, take over. So far he has been a failure; never seen things get out of control so drastically in such a short time period.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Great....so which option do you support to solve this Chaddi problem?

1. Ban all reconversion to hinduism

OR

2. Ban ALL conversion

1 or 2 ?

What's the need for a new law? Aren't laws against conversion in place, in may states? If Modi cannot raise his voice against BJP's sister organizations, he should resign and let someone else who is capable of, take over. So far he has been a failure; never seen things get out of control so drastically in such a short time period.

Don't beat around the bush. 1 or 2.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

Great....so which option do you support to solve this Chaddi problem?

1. Ban all reconversion to hinduism

OR

2. Ban ALL conversion

1 or 2 ?

What's the need for a new law? Aren't laws against conversion in place, in may states? If Modi cannot raise his voice against BJP's sister organizations, he should resign and let someone else who is capable of, take over. So far he has been a failure; never seen things get out of control so drastically in such a short time period.

Don't beat around the bush. 1 or 2.

What beating around the bush? my answer was direct. Another law on top of existing law(s) would be redundant and ridiculous. Looks like BJP is just another attention mongering whore.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Then why are you whining about VHP converting 100 people into hindus and not uttering a word about the 80,000 hindus converted into Christians?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Then why are you whining about VHP converting 100 people into hindus and not uttering a word about the 80,000 hindus converted into Christians?

Because this is government sponsored..

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Then why are you whining about VHP converting 100 people into hindus and not uttering a word about the 80,000 hindus converted into Christians?

Because this is government sponsored..

Is the Govt of India funding it?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Then why are you whining about VHP converting 100 people into hindus and not uttering a word about the 80,000 hindus converted into Christians?

Because this is government sponsored..

Is the Govt of India funding it?

Did you forget Modi's approval of telecast of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat's speech leveraging a state-funded entity.

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Then why are you whining about VHP converting 100 people into hindus and not uttering a word about the 80,000 hindus converted into Christians?

Because this is government sponsored..

Is the Govt of India funding it?

Did you forget Modi's approval of telecast of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat's speech leveraging a state-funded entity.

You did't answer my question. Modi's approval of some telecast doesn't make this govt sponsered.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
Because this is government sponsored..

Is the Govt of India funding it?

Did you forget Modi's approval of telecast of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat's speech leveraging a state-funded entity.

You did't answer my question. Modi's approval of some telecast doesn't make this govt sponsered.

Did RSS pay for TV slot? That was the beginning of this madness; All BJP sister organizations were assured & encouraged by Govt.'s open partnership & support to RSS.

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Is the Govt of India funding it?

Did you forget Modi's approval of telecast of RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat's speech leveraging a state-funded entity.

You did't answer my question. Modi's approval of some telecast doesn't make this govt sponsered.

Did RSS pay for TV slot? That was the beginning of this madness; All BJP sister organizations were assured & encouraged by Govt.'s open partnership & support to RSS.

Here, enjoy. He ,along with others like him, thrived during his FIL YSR's regime: https://m.youtube.com/results?q=brother%20anil%20kumar&sm=12

Why did it not bother you then?

Kinnera wrote:
Here, enjoy. He ,along with others like him, thrived during his FIL YSR's regime: https://m.youtube.com/results?q=brother%20anil%20kumar&sm=12

Why did it not bother you then?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Is religious fanaticism dragging India the Pakistan’s way?

When Indian media paid no attention to the repercussions of Narendra Modi’s leadership, it was a section of international media which predicted, during the general election campaign, that if a hardcore Hindu nationalist like Modi became the Prime Minister of the most religiously diverse country of the world, Hindu nationalism and religious fanaticism would increase with strident anti-Muslim sentiments. This could lead to communal and ethnic violence, instability and catastrophic incidents. Are these dire predictions turning into a reality now?

It is apparent, in the last six months, that fanatical Hindutva forces are not leaving any stone unturned to spread religious hatred. They are distorting history to hurt the sentiments of Muslim, conducting forcible conversions and making highly provocative statements. One after the other, top leaders of Sangh Parivar are publicly saying “India is a Hindu Rashtra” and that they would convert all the Muslims and Christians to Hinduism before 2021.

This excessive intolerance and religious fanaticism of Sangh Parivar is not only derailing the development agenda of BJP-led NDA government, but also disturbing communal harmony too. This may lead to communal violence and lawlessness. The horrific events happening in Pakistan are chilling examples of devastating side- effects of religious fanaticism. India should learn a lesson and curb the activities of religious bigots. Otherwise, the situation here would resemble Pakistan if things go adrift, as it is happening in the last six months.

http://twocircles.net/2014dec25/1419527587.html#.VKF6_P8JDA

This precisely was what secular SuCHers were worried about, all along. With a weak leader at the helm who has been relegated to puppet status, all the good work done over the years is in the danger of being ruined by the fanatics that belong to the ruling party. It is about time our maha-patriots took off their saffron-tinted glasses so they get the clear picture.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Here, enjoy. He ,along with others like him, thrived during his FIL YSR's regime: https://m.youtube.com/results?q=brother%20anil%20kumar&sm=12

Why did it not bother you then?

I understand your admiration for kafirs but there is huge difference between this and what's going on with chaddi-gang. I first heard of him when bayyaram mining scam was in the news. I don't think there were any serious media reports on his attempts to proselytize, if he weren't following the law I'm sure media would've outed him like they have been with BJP & Co.

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Here, enjoy. He ,along with others like him, thrived during his FIL YSR's regime: https://m.youtube.com/results?q=brother%20anil%20kumar&sm=12

Why did it not bother you then?

I understand your admiration for kafirs but there is huge difference between this and what's going on with chaddi-gang. I first heard of him when bayyaram mining scam was in the news. I don't think there were any serious media reports on his attempts to proselytize, if he weren't following the law I'm sure media would've outed him like they have been with BJP & Co.

It's not a question of not following the law. When hindus are converted to Christianity, Hindus are apathatic to it. But when Christians are converted back to Hinduidm, christians and their apologists make a huge hue and cry.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Here, enjoy. He ,along with others like him, thrived during his FIL YSR's regime: https://m.youtube.com/results?q=brother%20anil%20kumar&sm=12

Why did it not bother you then?

I understand your admiration for kafirs but there is huge difference between this and what's going on with chaddi-gang. I first heard of him when bayyaram mining scam was in the news. I don't think there were any serious media reports on his attempts to proselytize, if he weren't following the law I'm sure media would've outed him like they have been with BJP & Co.

It's not a question of not following the law. When hindus are converted to Christianity, Hindus are apathatic to it. But when Christians are converted back to Hinduidm, christians and their apologists make a huge hue and cry.

There are fundamental differences between Christianity/iSlam and old "religions" like Hinduism and Judaism. The old faiths didn't need conversions. The "new" ones needed converts and incorporated a process for survival and expansion. In Christianity, it is a virtue to convert others into the faith (they think they are saving savages from going to "hell"). iSlam is just a copycat.

Are "Ghar Vapasi" leaders (Togadia, et al.) changing Hinduism for worse?  Good question. Protecting "dharma" is a duty for every Hindu (and Buddhist & Sikh) and that involves not allowing others from exploiting. When Ravan was sending his followers to go and disrupt the activities of sages, Rama combed the forest and eliminated Ravan-ism. In fact, clearing Dandaka was a more significant activity than killing Ravan.

Coming back to Semitic faiths, they think that their religions are real and others (including pagans, natives, etc.) are going to hell. So, they are fundamentally opposed to the other faiths. Now, even if Hindus think that "all faiths lead to the same God", they can't just sit around and meditate on that thinking and expect others to abandon their belief systems. (As a kid, I have seen how some Christian preachers talk low of Hinduism. When I was at Andhra Loyola College, the "father" used twist Hinduism to show how wonderful his own fath was. When I interjected and clarified, I was fined for disrupting the class!)

Is Sonia a Hindu, Parsi, Catholic, CONwoman.....?

Unfortunately, these days, many Hindus with educational qualifications, use excuses for their inertia and give sermons to others who may be following dharma.

Sikularism Hatao Chaddi Bachao!

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Protecting "dharma" is a duty for every Hindu (and Buddhist & Sikh) and that involves not allowing others from exploiting.