Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Here, enjoy. He ,along with others like him, thrived during his FIL YSR's regime: https://m.youtube.com/results?q=brother%20anil%20kumar&sm=12

Why did it not bother you then?

I understand your admiration for kafirs but there is huge difference between this and what's going on with chaddi-gang. I first heard of him when bayyaram mining scam was in the news. I don't think there were any serious media reports on his attempts to proselytize, if he weren't following the law I'm sure media would've outed him like they have been with BJP & Co.

It's not a question of not following the law. When hindus are converted to Christianity, Hindus are apathatic to it. But when Christians are converted back to Hinduidm, christians and their apologists make a huge hue and cry.

There are fundamental differences between Christianity/iSlam and old "religions" like Hinduism and Judaism. The old faiths didn't need conversions. The "new" ones needed converts and incorporated a process for survival and expansion. In Christianity, it is a virtue to convert others into the faith (they think they are saving savages from going to "hell"). iSlam is just a copycat.

Are "Ghar Vapasi" leaders (Togadia, et al.) changing Hinduism for worse?  Good question. Protecting "dharma" is a duty for every Hindu (and Buddhist & Sikh) and that involves not allowing others from exploiting. When Ravan was sending his followers to go and disrupt the activities of sages, Rama combed the forest and eliminated Ravan-ism. In fact, clearing Dandaka was a more significant activity than killing Ravan.

Coming back to Semitic faiths, they think that their religions are real and others (including pagans, natives, etc.) are going to hell. So, they are fundamentally opposed to the other faiths. Now, even if Hindus think that "all faiths lead to the same God", they can't just sit around and meditate on that thinking and expect others to abandon their belief systems. (As a kid, I have seen how some Christian preachers talk low of Hinduism. When I was at Andhra Loyola College, the "father" used twist Hinduism to show how wonderful his own fath was. When I interjected and clarified, I was fined for disrupting the class!)

Is Sonia a Hindu, Parsi, Catholic, CONwoman.....?

Unfortunately, these days, many Hindus with educational qualifications, use excuses for their inertia and give sermons to others who may be following dharma.

Sikularism Hatao Chaddi Bachao!

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Kinnera wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kinnera wrote:
Here, enjoy. He ,along with others like him, thrived during his FIL YSR's regime: https://m.youtube.com/results?q=brother%20anil%20kumar&sm=12

Why did it not bother you then?

I understand your admiration for kafirs but there is huge difference between this and what's going on with chaddi-gang. I first heard of him when bayyaram mining scam was in the news. I don't think there were any serious media reports on his attempts to proselytize, if he weren't following the law I'm sure media would've outed him like they have been with BJP & Co.

It's not a question of not following the law. When hindus are converted to Christianity, Hindus are apathatic to it. But when Christians are converted back to Hinduidm, christians and their apologists make a huge hue and cry.

There are fundamental differences between Christianity/iSlam and old "religions" like Hinduism and Judaism. The old faiths didn't need conversions. The "new" ones needed converts and incorporated a process for survival and expansion. In Christianity, it is a virtue to convert others into the faith (they think they are saving savages from going to "hell"). iSlam is just a copycat.

Are "Ghar Vapasi" leaders (Togadia, et al.) changing Hinduism for worse?  Good question. Protecting "dharma" is a duty for every Hindu (and Buddhist & Sikh) and that involves not allowing others from exploiting. When Ravan was sending his followers to go and disrupt the activities of sages, Rama combed the forest and eliminated Ravan-ism. In fact, clearing Dandaka was a more significant activity than killing Ravan.

Coming back to Semitic faiths, they think that their religions are real and others (including pagans, natives, etc.) are going to hell. So, they are fundamentally opposed to the other faiths. Now, even if Hindus think that "all faiths lead to the same God", they can't just sit around and meditate on that thinking and expect others to abandon their belief systems. (As a kid, I have seen how some Christian preachers talk low of Hinduism. When I was at Andhra Loyola College, the "father" used twist Hinduism to show how wonderful his own fath was. When I interjected and clarified, I was fined for disrupting the class!)

Is Sonia a Hindu, Parsi, Catholic, CONwoman.....?

Unfortunately, these days, many Hindus with educational qualifications, use excuses for their inertia and give sermons to others who may be following dharma.

Sikularism Hatao Chaddi Bachao!

rawemotions wrote:
India has had in its history the only case perhaps anywhere in the world , where a Sikh Guru prevented Hindus from being forcibly converted and in the process got tortured to death.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

rawemotions wrote:
India has had in its history the only case perhaps anywhere in the world , where a Sikh Guru prevented Hindus from being forcibly converted and in the process got tortured to death.

Rawmotions, wouldn't you agree that even by your own rather low standards, this must be the most senseless statement you have made till date?

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

Good try saying that in a Musalman forum or to a Musalman - FIRST.

Jews, Jains, Sikhs, Hindus never indulged in conversion games. Christians and then the iSlamis were the ONLY and Chief culprits as they used religion as a tool to control and spread power.

So which one is it you are going to start with ? Christians or Musalman?

bw wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

Good try saying that in a Musalman forum or to a Musalman - FIRST.

Jews, Jains, Sikhs, Hindus never indulged in conversion games. Christians and then the iSlamis were the ONLY and Chief culprits as they used religion as a tool to control and spread power.

So which one is it you are going to start with ? Christians or Musalman?

how can one "convert" anyway? i can't even fathom what it means to convert - agree to do stupid rituals from another religion? i am not starting anything - just wish they all DIE. i don't care for any religion, islam and christianity included.

i have contempt for all religious zealots.  anyway, the whole religion thing was started by schizos and people with OCDs as per dr.sapolsky and who cares what flavour of OCD one chooses to adopt.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

bw wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

Good try saying that in a Musalman forum or to a Musalman - FIRST.

Jews, Jains, Sikhs, Hindus never indulged in conversion games. Christians and then the iSlamis were the ONLY and Chief culprits as they used religion as a tool to control and spread power.

So which one is it you are going to start with ? Christians or Musalman?

how can one "convert" anyway? i can't even fathom what it means to convert - agree to do stupid rituals from another religion? i am not starting anything - just wish they all DIE. i don't care for any religion, islam and christianity included.

i have contempt for all religious zealots.  anyway, the whole religion thing was started by schizos and people with OCDs as per dr.sapolsky and who cares what flavour of OCD one chooses to adopt.

You should tell that first to Fr. Gnana Sunyam who was openly converting Sowmya, Iyannan, ........ publicly in front of 100s of mostly hindu tourists in the urine-purified Parazhiyaaru under Mathur Aqueduct. in Kanyakumari DT.

bw wrote:gyana sunyam?? is that his real name? haha.

FluteHolder wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

bw wrote:gyana sunyam?? is that his real name? haha.

Fits TBT like a glove. I hope we are not violating Such privacy policy by revealing his purported real name.

bw wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

bw wrote:gyana sunyam?? is that his real name? haha.

Fits TBT like a glove. I hope we are not violating Such privacy policy by revealing his purported real name.

MD's favourite:

2014- uppili
2015 - tbt?

bw wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

bw wrote:gyana sunyam?? is that his real name? haha.

Fits TBT like a glove. I hope we are not violating Such privacy policy by revealing his purported real name.

MD's favourite:

2014- uppili
2015 - tbt?

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

what about all the great music, literature, and art inspired undoubtedly by religion?

FluteHolder wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

what about all the great music, literature, and art inspired undoubtedly by religion?

No. We negate anything which we donot like or understand. We love only new age dhadiwalas with a phd or in an university setting lecturing wearing 'shorts'?. If all concepts needs to die then this Dr.Spooky's too.

It is like another Dhadiwalla Chinmayanda said 'You donot ban knife completely just bcz someone doesnot know how to use the knife (knife can be used to cut a fruit but also can kill some one)".

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

what about all the great music, literature, and art inspired undoubtedly by religion?

bw wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

what about all the great music, literature, and art inspired undoubtedly by religion?

they may remain.

i know that religion has inspired people into producing great works of literature, art, music and architecture but overall, i feel religion has caused more harm than good. i can relate to religion as something that guides you to lead a 'good' life and provide solace in times of trouble but not the rest of it - the rituals, the theories of how world was formed, definition of who "god" is and so on. the most bitter wars of the world have been fought over religion.

i hope jesus, allah, krishna and other various beliefs all get reduced to the state of greek, roman and norse gods - enjoyed purely for their literary, entertainment and art value.

FluteHolder wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

what about all the great music, literature, and art inspired undoubtedly by religion?

No. We negate anything which we donot like or understand.

We love only new age dhadiwalas with a phd or in an university setting lecturing wearing 'shorts'?. If all concepts needs to die then this Dr.Spooky's too.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

bw wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

bw wrote:all religions - DIE!!!

that's all.

what about all the great music, literature, and art inspired undoubtedly by religion?

they may remain.

i know that religion has inspired people into producing great works of literature, art, music and architecture but overall, i feel religion has caused more harm than good. i can relate to religion as something that guides you to lead a 'good' life and provide solace in times of trouble but not the rest of it - the rituals, the theories of how world was formed, definition of who "god" is and so on. the most bitter wars of the world have been fought over religion.

i hope jesus, allah, krishna and other various beliefs all get reduced to the state of greek, roman and norse gods - enjoyed purely for their literary, entertainment and art value.

i mostly agree except the bit about wars. wars at their core once you have whittled away other trappings have always been about the fight for economic resources.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i didn't find sapolsky's lecture particularly insightful. just a bunch of assertions without proof. i may have posted this a long time ago, but i found this useful:

The bad news is 62% feel hotheads of the Sangh Parivar are adversely affecting the government’s development agenda. And that’s a problem because over 2/3 of those surveyed maintain that development and the economy should be the government’s focus.

The results should not surprise Modi. He never pretended to be anything but a proud unapologetic Hindu but he sold himself to the voters as an economy-builder, not a temple-builder. Indians are fine, even proud of him, for handing out Bhagvad Gitas to world leaders. But they are not so happy with Ghar Wapsi mega-rallies or Love Jihad hysteria or thugs vandalizing movie theaters screening PK.

And while the BJP’s supporters want to downplay these controversies as media-created, even Dasgupta writes in The Telegraph that “one of the principal reasons for the NDA’s unexpected defeat in 2004 was the near-total consolidation of India’s minorities – particularly Muslims and Christians against it.” He cautions that “the ghar wapisi movement has been blown up to such an extent that many Christians feels there is a national campaign of targeted persecution.”

In small-town northern India, Muslims are offered food and money to convert to Hinduism. If that doesn’t suffice, they say they’re threatened

“We told him we feel insecure and fearful,” said the Rev. Dominic Emmanuel, a Roman Catholic priest who was in a delegation of religious leaders who met a few days ago with Modi. “We told him, ‘If there were just two words from your side, prime minister, we would feel so much better.’ ”

But according to Emmanuel, Modi dismissed the fears as media exaggeration and told the group it wasn’t his role to weigh in on every issue.

Just how much Modi actually supports that sprawling agenda -- which includes everything from demands to rewrite school textbooks to, at the most extreme end, the expulsion of non-Hindus from India -- remains unclear.

Certainly, he is sympathetic to parts of it.

confuzzled dude wrote:

In small-town northern India, Muslims are offered food and money to convert to Hinduism. If that doesn’t suffice, they say they’re threatened

“We told him we feel insecure and fearful,” said the Rev. Dominic Emmanuel, a Roman Catholic priest who was in a delegation of religious leaders who met a few days ago with Modi. “We told him, ‘If there were just two words from your side, prime minister, we would feel so much better.’ ”

But according to Emmanuel, Modi dismissed the fears as media exaggeration and told the group it wasn’t his role to weigh in on every issue.

Just how much Modi actually supports that sprawling agenda -- which includes everything from demands to rewrite school textbooks to, at the most extreme end, the expulsion of non-Hindus from India -- remains unclear.

Certainly, he is sympathetic to parts of it.

http://www.macon.com/2015/01/03/3509420/religion-in-india-bubbles-over.html

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
What about the hindus who feel feel, threatened, and constantly pressured and intimidated. If what the RSS and BJP do is wrong, then they are only reflecting the fear and persecuation/pressure felt by a good 40% of the electorates..  And that - to me - is more important than the feelings of any others.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
What about the hindus who feel feel, threatened, and constantly pressured and intimidated. If what the RSS and BJP do is wrong, then they are only reflecting the fear and persecuation/pressure felt by a good 40% of the electorates..  And that - to me - is more important than the feelings of any others.

You mean the types that are scared to walk into Muslim localities city centers *fixed* after 8pm, and challenge others if they have guts to do that?

confuzzled dude wrote:Hope is in danger of crumbling that Prime Minister Narendra Modi would rein in the divisive agenda of his militant Hindu-nationalist supporters and allow India to concentrate on the important work of economic reform, and the blame lies squarely with Mr. Modi.

During the last days of its winter session ending on Tuesday, Parliament was unable to deal with important legislative business because of repeated adjournments and an uproar over attempts by Hindu groups to convert Christians and Muslims. The issue has come to a head following a “homecoming” campaign by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad — groups dedicated to transforming India’s secular democracy into a Hindu state 

confuzzled dude wrote:Hope is in danger of crumbling that Prime Minister Narendra Modi would rein in the divisive agenda of his militant Hindu-nationalist supporters and allow India to concentrate on the important work of economic reform, and the blame lies squarely with Mr. Modi.

During the last days of its winter session ending on Tuesday, Parliament was unable to deal with important legislative business because of repeated adjournments and an uproar over attempts by Hindu groups to convert Christians and Muslims. The issue has come to a head following a “homecoming” campaign by the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh and the Vishwa Hindu Parishad — groups dedicated to transforming India’s secular democracy into a Hindu state — to “reconvert” Christians and Muslims to Hinduism.

In recent weeks, Hindu militants have engineered conversions of Muslims and Christians in Agra and in the states of Gujarat and Kerala. Police are investigating accusations that people have been induced to participate in mass conversion meetings by a combination of intimidation and bribery, including the promise of food ration cards. Attacks on Christians and their places of worship have intensified in recent weeks. One of New Delhi’s biggest churches burned down on Dec. 1 — arson is being blamed — and Christmas carolers were attacked on their way home in the city of Hyderabad on Dec. 12.

More than 80 percent of Indians are Hindus, but Muslims, Christians and Sikhs form important religious minorities with centuries of history in India. Religious pluralism and freedom are protected by India’s Constitution. The issue of religious conversion is contentious in India. Many Dalits, known formerly as untouchables, and other low-caste Hindus and Tribals admit they convert to Islam or Christianity primarily to escape crushing caste prejudice and oppression. The main architect of the Constitution, Dr. Bhimrao Ramji Ambedkar, born a Dalit, famously converted to Buddhism to escape caste-oppression under Hinduism.

As opposition political leaders are demanding, Mr. Modi must break his silence and issue a stern warning to emboldened Hindu militants before their actions turn further progress on economic reform into a sideshow, with the politics and divisiveness occupying center stage.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/26/opinion/religious-intolerance-in-india.html?_r=0