What should France do?

by truthbetold Wed Jan 07, 2015 2:45 pm

11 jurnos were dead. You got a request from French president for an advice on what should France do?

What would you advice France?
How would you protect French press?

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:22 pm

why Wayne lapierre has a ready solution for France. Maybe France should heed his advice.

by Hellsangel Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:29 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:why Wayne lapierre has a ready solution for France. Maybe France should heed his advice.

Link, please?

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:43 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:why Wayne lapierre has a ready solution for France. Maybe France should heed his advice.

Link, please?

it's his general stated philosophy which he reemphasized in the sandy hook aftermath. he hasn't said it specifically for france, but i am sure that's what he'd say if you asked him.

by Hellsangel Wed Jan 07, 2015 3:50 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:why Wayne lapierre has a ready solution for France. Maybe France should heed his advice.

Link, please?

it's his general stated philosophy which he reemphasized in the sandy hook aftermath. he hasn't said it specifically for france, but i am sure that's what he'd say if you asked him.

Ah yes. Your special love for the NRA.

by truthbetold Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:00 pm

Max
What did he say?

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:04 pm

truthbetold wrote:Max
What did he say?

nothing specific about this attack, but i was referring to this:

“The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2012/12/10-top-quotes-from-nras-wayne-lapierre-85411.html#ixzz3OAic1oZQ

by truthbetold Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:36 pm

Max

I confused him with Dominique l. French Author of freedom at midnight.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:56 pm

Well, the G-20 leaders wanted to have a global strategy to deal with terrorism (Modi's initiative). May be, they should take the issue seriously and come with a strategy to eliminate the extremely pieceful.

In a way, it is good that monomaniacs are attacking places in Europe. Leaders of those countries will take it seriously. Countries like India will play sikular vote-bank politics and the US and China will have their options open.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:02 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Well, the G-20 leaders wanted to have a global strategy to deal with terrorism (Modi's initiative). May be, they should take the issue seriously and come with a strategy to eliminate the extremely pieceful.

In a way, it is good that monomaniacs are attacking places in Europe. Leaders of those countries will take it seriously. Countries like India will play sikular vote-bank politics and the US and China will have their options open.

try saying that aloud to yourself to hear what it feels like to a listener. MD is right that people with your mindset are almost gleeful when such things happen.

by truthbetold Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:30 pm

Max
You have time to pick holes in others arguments but have no time or ideas to suggest to French.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:36 pm

truthbetold wrote:Max
You have time to pick holes in others arguments but have no time or ideas to suggest to French.

as far as i can tell, no useful strategies for combating terrorism have come out of this forum. usually there is an eruption of glee on one side (as you just witnessed from videographer-garu, and flinging of sarcasm laden crap from both sides on each other. why change the plot now?

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:46 pm

i have a different question though in context. is there a fundamental difference in the relationship of the US and that of europe, particularly france with islam? a few factors come to mind. the US is generally respectful of religion with a huge majority adhering to some judeo-christian faith. the media does not deliberately poke at religious sensibilities too often. not so in europe where religion itself is fading, and the generally atheistic media makes it a point to constantly rile islamic sensibilities.

also while european societies talk the talk about secularism and democracy, i don't think that they are secular and democratic in the same sense as the US. the hijab prohibition would have never worked in the US for example. and when shit does happen, the US takes a much harder stance and hands out much harsher punishments than europe.

lastly france has a complicated colonial history with many african islamic countries that the US does not have.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:51 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Max
You have time to pick holes in others arguments but have no time or ideas to suggest to French.

as far as i can tell, no useful strategies for combating terrorism have come out of this forum. usually there is an eruption of glee on one side (as you just witnessed from videographer-garu, and flinging of sarcasm laden crap from both sides on each other. why change the plot now?

marathadi saamiyaar's let's bomb the crap out of them until they whimper has not produced any results as far as i can tell.

by Hellsangel Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:19 pm

This will be treated as a crime the same way the Boston marathon bombing is being treated. If the brothers are caught they will stand trial and probably sentenced to life in prison, France no longer having the death penalty. A few people will want to bring back the guillotine. But that won't happen.

An aside. An excellent look at Islamic and non Islamic gangs in prison in France can be found in the movie 'Un Prophète'

by southindian Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:23 pm

France does not have RSS or Lathi-wielding-ominous-chaddis so they are fine. Could this have happened 50 years ago before France opened its doors to amnesty leeches?

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:26 pm

southindian wrote:France does not have RSS or Lathi-wielding-ominous-chaddis so they are fine. Could this have happened 50 years ago before France opened its doors to amnesty leeches?

most of the "amnesty leeches" are from ex colonies, just like the indian, bangladeshi and pakistani "leeches" in the UK.

by southindian Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:02 pm

Right Max. Smile

...and look what Muslim leeches have also done in UK.

Hint: Remember that daylight soldier hacked death video recorded ...and hundreds of ISIS volunteers from UK?

These leeches patrol London neighborhood in the night and chase away skirt wearing women asking them to convert to Islam.

Leasons learnt:- You give them amnesty, food, shelter ...and they will unite to change your culture, your clothing and your religion. Smile

by Propagandhi711 Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:16 pm

some helpful suggestions:

france should conduct gestapo style operations to round up all weapons and inpound them. that will leave only multi purpose knives in the hands of citizens which will help with all crime.

give islamics more rights so they can impose sharia and govern themselves effectively. this usually makes them docile and they wont have reason to cause problems.

french women need to stop being so slutty.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:22 pm

lord lapierre has recently commented specifically on this:

“It’s just a matter of time before the U.S. faces some kind of terrorist attack,” he wrote, and when that happens, Americans will want their guns at their sides because “the government can’t — or won’t — protect you.”

http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/28/the-n-r-a-s-instant-classic-attack-ads/

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/a9f484ab#/a9f484ab/5

the two NRA members on this forum can tell us more about the article behind the cover. this is the october issue of the NRA journal. please dig it up from your NRA journal stash and enlighten us.

by FluteHolder Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:33 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:some helpful suggestions:

france should conduct gestapo style operations to round up all weapons and inpound them.

When you have inventory of people getting in/out of a country, why not guns? If you buy acid (I think it is restricted) or rent a truck you are checked by authorities. But still there are illegal gun sales (in US) where no one could track the inventory.

Watch the movie 'Babel'. How an old rifle sold in one corner of the world affects others..

Nothing will stop this until, any important ones(VIPs) are affected (other than common civilians/police).

by bw Wed Jan 07, 2015 7:39 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/a9f484ab#/a9f484ab/5

oh, wow.

"a dangerous world is closing in" and the pictures - amazing!

by southindian Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:07 pm

Going back to protests against PK by 'Hindoos', makes me smile.... and idiots getting scared should learn a thing or two from these people.

...and learn more from Taslima Nasreen's twitter post. She is so damn right. LOL

https://mobile.twitter.com/taslimanasreen/status/548363419846328320

Live and Learn guys.... and try to see the direction your children's world is moving towards....globally.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:29 pm

in the US there is a concerted effort by law enforcement and intelligence agencies to keep track of what's going on in mosques and keep closely in touch with the local community (like in detroit). i wonder if the frenchies do this sort of thing.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:37 pm

by southindian Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:44 pm

Oops...

Now when french police targets these 3 gunmen....

The Muslims in Australia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Iran, Iraq, UK, USA, Germany, Russia and the rest of the world will become so terribly upset.

Waat to sey? Naat good...

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:50 pm

southindian wrote:

The Muslims in Australia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Iran, Iraq, UK, USA, Germany, Russia and the rest of the world will become so terribly upset.

here is a better way to write that sentence:

The Muslims ~~in Australia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, Iran, Iraq, UK, USA, Germany, Russia and the rest~~ of the world will become so terribly upset.

by confuzzled dude Wed Jan 07, 2015 8:57 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i have a different question though in context. is there a fundamental difference in the relationship of the US and that of europe, particularly france with islam? a few factors come to mind. the US is generally respectful of religion with a huge majority adhering to some judeo-christian faith. the media does not deliberately poke at religious sensibilities too often. not so in europe where religion itself is fading, and the generally atheistic media makes it a point to constantly rile islamic sensibilities.

also while european societies talk the talk about secularism and democracy, i don't think that they are secular and democratic in the same sense as the US. the hijab prohibition would have never worked in the US for example. and when shit does happen, the US takes a much harder stance and hands out much harsher punishments than europe.

lastly france has a complicated colonial history with many african islamic countries that the US does not have.

Bang on. Journalists are giving these attention mongers unnecessary importance with these cartoons on prophet. Best bet is to ignore.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/01/07/when-depictions-of-prophet-muhammad-have-outraged-muslims/

by Kris Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:07 pm

truthbetold wrote:11 jurnos were dead. You got a request from French president for an advice on what should France do?

What would you advice France?
How would you protect French press?

>>>Monitor mosques, take a strict law and order approach and not get cowed by political correctness, let go of the idea that multi-culturalism works, even when one segment does not buy into pluralism and tweak immigration laws to scrutinize and screen out radical elements, work with other European countries that are on the receiving end of terrorism. This is a time bomb waiting to explode. It is a double whammy with the increasing Islamic radicalism and second, with the reactionary groups gaining traction because of public perception that the governments (western european)are not cracking down. That clash can become very ugly. Unlike Americans, Europeans still have a strong sense of nationhood closely tied to ethnicity. They too are new at this pluralism game and it is easy to upset the apple cart.

by Hellsangel Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:09 pm

by southindian Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:14 pm

Good job Max. I can only count on your grammar skills when FlimFlam is away.

Well done!

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:15 pm

Kris wrote:
truthbetold wrote:11 jurnos were dead. You got a request from French president for an advice on what should France do?

What would you advice France?
How would you protect French press?
>>>Monitor mosques, take a strict law and order approach and not get cowed by political correctness, let go of the idea that multi-culturalism works, even when one segment does not buy into pluralism and tweak immigration laws to scrutinize and screen out radical elements, work with other European countries that are on the receiving end of terrorism. This is a time bomb waiting to explode. It is a double whammy with the increasing Islamic radicalism and second, with the reactionary groups gaining traction because of public perception that the governments (western european)are not cracking down. That clash can become very ugly. Unlike Americans, Europeans still have a strong sense of nationhood closely tied to ethnicity. They too are new at this pluralism game and it is easy to upset the apple cart.

i get the sense that european multiculturalism is far more fragile than america's because europe does not have the painful experience that americans went through, right from the civil war and abolition, japanese internment during world war II, to the civil rights era. it seems to me that while the US has had a more militaristic response to islamic terrorism abroad, legal protections of minorities at home in the US including muslims are more robust. whereas they seem to be blundering along in europe letting the events shape them.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:16 pm

southindian wrote:Good job Max. I can only count on your grammar skills when FlimFlam is away.

Well done!

not grammar, logic.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:16 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Well, the G-20 leaders wanted to have a global strategy to deal with terrorism (Modi's initiative). May be, they should take the issue seriously and come with a strategy to eliminate the extremely pieceful.

In a way, it is good that monomaniacs are attacking places in Europe. Leaders of those countries will take it seriously. Countries like India will play sikular vote-bank politics and the US and China will have their options open.

try saying that aloud to yourself to hear what it feels like to a listener. MD is right that people with your mindset are almost gleeful when such things happen.

????

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:19 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Well, the G-20 leaders wanted to have a global strategy to deal with terrorism (Modi's initiative). May be, they should take the issue seriously and come with a strategy to eliminate the extremely pieceful.

In a way, it is good that monomaniacs are attacking places in Europe. Leaders of those countries will take it seriously. Countries like India will play sikular vote-bank politics and the US and China will have their options open.

try saying that aloud to yourself to hear what it feels like to a listener. MD is right that people with your mindset are almost gleeful when such things happen.
????

if you cannot even muster that level of self awareness, i am afraid i cannot help you.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:20 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Well, the G-20 leaders wanted to have a global strategy to deal with terrorism (Modi's initiative). May be, they should take the issue seriously and come with a strategy to eliminate the extremely pieceful.

In a way, it is good that monomaniacs are attacking places in Europe. Leaders of those countries will take it seriously. Countries like India will play sikular vote-bank politics and the US and China will have their options open.

try saying that aloud to yourself to hear what it feels like to a listener. MD is right that people with your mindset are almost gleeful when such things happen.
????

if you cannot even muster that level of self awareness, i am afraid i cannot help you.

You are extremely brilliant.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:21 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Well, the G-20 leaders wanted to have a global strategy to deal with terrorism (Modi's initiative). May be, they should take the issue seriously and come with a strategy to eliminate the extremely pieceful.

In a way, it is good that monomaniacs are attacking places in Europe. Leaders of those countries will take it seriously. Countries like India will play sikular vote-bank politics and the US and China will have their options open.

try saying that aloud to yourself to hear what it feels like to a listener. MD is right that people with your mindset are almost gleeful when such things happen.
????

if you cannot even muster that level of self awareness, i am afraid i cannot help you.
You are extremely brilliant.

sure.

by Propagandhi711 Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:24 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i have a different question though in context. is there a fundamental difference in the relationship of the US and that of europe, particularly france with islam? a few factors come to mind. the US is generally respectful of religion with a huge majority adhering to some judeo-christian faith. the media does not deliberately poke at religious sensibilities too often. not so in europe where religion itself is fading, and the generally atheistic media makes it a point to constantly rile islamic sensibilities.

also while european societies talk the talk about secularism and democracy, i don't think that they are secular and democratic in the same sense as the US. the hijab prohibition would have never worked in the US for example. and when shit does happen, the US takes a much harder stance and hands out much harsher punishments than europe.

lastly france has a complicated colonial history with many african islamic countries that the US does not have.
Bang on. Journalists are giving these attention mongers unnecessary importance with these cartoons on prophet. Best bet is to ignore.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/01/07/when-depictions-of-prophet-muhammad-have-outraged-muslims/

great suggestion. plan 2 to eradicate islamic terrorism is to censor all news regarding them. if press doesnt report news featuring their acts islamic terrorists denied attention will eventually get bored and become kebab makers

by Hellsangel Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:26 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i have a different question though in context. is there a fundamental difference in the relationship of the US and that of europe, particularly france with islam? a few factors come to mind. the US is generally respectful of religion with a huge majority adhering to some judeo-christian faith. the media does not deliberately poke at religious sensibilities too often. not so in europe where religion itself is fading, and the generally atheistic media makes it a point to constantly rile islamic sensibilities.

also while european societies talk the talk about secularism and democracy, i don't think that they are secular and democratic in the same sense as the US. the hijab prohibition would have never worked in the US for example. and when shit does happen, the US takes a much harder stance and hands out much harsher punishments than europe.

lastly france has a complicated colonial history with many african islamic countries that the US does not have.
Bang on. Journalists are giving these attention mongers unnecessary importance with these cartoons on prophet. Best bet is to ignore.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/worldviews/wp/2015/01/07/when-depictions-of-prophet-muhammad-have-outraged-muslims/

great suggestion. plan 2 to eradicate islamic terrorism is to censor all news regarding them. if press doesnt report news featuring their acts islamic terrorists denied attention will eventually get bored and become kebab makers

Or tailors in Virginia specializing in C4 vests.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:29 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Bang on. Journalists are giving these attention mongers unnecessary importance with these cartoons on prophet. Best bet is to ignore.

not sure ignoring them is the right answer. they have to be desensitized. that's the answer. such a low tolerance to religious offense is no fault but their own.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-killers-must-not-silence-us

This is partly why I don’t like the fashionable terms Islamophobia or Islamofascism. It should be perfectly possible to criticise any culture that limits women without being accused of hating every Muslim. All fundamentalist religions (including those rooted in Judaism or Christianity) seek to control female sexuality. It should be possible to ask what these different versions of Islam are about, and how they relate to each other, without suggesting all Muslims are fascists.

Yet to talk openly, freely, is of course what the gunmen want to stop. They demand respect for their god with the barrel of a gun.

In response we must fight them. And we must laugh, ridicule and ultimately disrespect them. Fanatics, as Amos Oz said, don’t really do jokes. There cannot be peaceful coexistence with those who are want to return to a fantasy of the seventh century. They brook no dissent. They fear laughter. Rushdie has spoken of how religion, all religion, deserves “our fearless disrespect”. Some have died for this. The least we can do is carry on being disrespectful.

by Hellsangel Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:32 pm

The wussy Left in Europe.

by southindian Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:32 pm

Max, You are saying this just to please. I can't believe grammar was correct?

Anyways, you are topic-neutered (just coined) when you start reading sentence construction in someone's response.

by southindian Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:50 pm

Max, You are saying this just to please. I can't believe grammar was correct?

Anyways, you are topic-neutered (just coined) when you start reading sentence construction in someone's response.

by confuzzled dude Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:08 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Bang on. Journalists are giving these attention mongers unnecessary importance with these cartoons on prophet. Best bet is to ignore.

not sure ignoring them is the right answer. they have to be desensitized. that's the answer. such a low tolerance to religious offense is no fault but their own.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-killers-must-not-silence-us

This is partly why I don’t like the fashionable terms Islamophobia or Islamofascism. It should be perfectly possible to criticise any culture that limits women without being accused of hating every Muslim. All fundamentalist religions (including those rooted in Judaism or Christianity) seek to control female sexuality. It should be possible to ask what these different versions of Islam are about, and how they relate to each other, without suggesting all Muslims are fascists.

Yet to talk openly, freely, is of course what the gunmen want to stop. They demand respect for their god with the barrel of a gun.

In response we must fight them. And we must laugh, ridicule and ultimately disrespect them. Fanatics, as Amos Oz said, don’t really do jokes. There cannot be peaceful coexistence with those who are want to return to a fantasy of the seventh century. They brook no dissent. They fear laughter. Rushdie has spoken of how religion, all religion, deserves “our fearless disrespect”. Some have died for this. The least we can do is carry on being disrespectful.

I highly doubt "fearless disrespect", especially from outsiders works. It will hurt sensibilities of moderates more than anything. Just look at how our NRI patriots reacted to ridiculing of "Vedic Vimanas", most of them ended up supporting chaddis or the reaction of Hindus to offensive commercials by Tommy Hilfiger. Like I said in the other thread, muslim moderates will have to train themselves and their families. Society can play a role by helping/pushing them to reach that goal or better yet provide a platform to those moderates who are willing to poke fun at prophet publicly.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:14 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Bang on. Journalists are giving these attention mongers unnecessary importance with these cartoons on prophet. Best bet is to ignore.

not sure ignoring them is the right answer. they have to be desensitized. that's the answer. such a low tolerance to religious offense is no fault but their own.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jan/07/charlie-hebdo-killers-must-not-silence-us

This is partly why I don’t like the fashionable terms Islamophobia or Islamofascism. It should be perfectly possible to criticise any culture that limits women without being accused of hating every Muslim. All fundamentalist religions (including those rooted in Judaism or Christianity) seek to control female sexuality. It should be possible to ask what these different versions of Islam are about, and how they relate to each other, without suggesting all Muslims are fascists.

Yet to talk openly, freely, is of course what the gunmen want to stop. They demand respect for their god with the barrel of a gun.

In response we must fight them. And we must laugh, ridicule and ultimately disrespect them. Fanatics, as Amos Oz said, don’t really do jokes. There cannot be peaceful coexistence with those who are want to return to a fantasy of the seventh century. They brook no dissent. They fear laughter. Rushdie has spoken of how religion, all religion, deserves “our fearless disrespect”. Some have died for this. The least we can do is carry on being disrespectful.

I highly doubt "fearless disrespect", especially from outsiders works. It will hurt sensibilities of moderates more than anything. Just look at how our NRI patriots reacted to ridiculing of "Vedic Vimanas", most of them ended up supporting chaddis or the reaction of Hindus to offensive commercials by Tommy Hilfiger. Like I said in the other thread, muslim moderates will have to train themselves and their families. Society can play a role by helping/pushing them to reach that goal or better yet provide a platform to those moderates who are willing to poke fun at prophet publicly.

they all need to be equally trashed and desensitized. i have some minor personal experience with this sort of thing. we used to watch the mahabharat which aired in the late eighties, early nineties on the hostel TV mostly to make fun of the actors and the picturization. a couple of us were on a bombay local train talking about one particular episode in a disparaging way. some local shiv sena thug took offense to this and started picking a fight with us and physically threatened us. the funny thing about the whole incident was how tiny he was contrasted with how angry he got. anyway a bunch of well meaning people on the train defused the fight and all was well.

by confuzzled dude Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:21 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
they all need to be equally trashed and desensitized. i have some minor personal experience with this sort of thing. we used to watch the mahabharat which aired in the late eighties, early nineties on the hostel TV mostly to make fun of the actors and the picturization. a couple of us were on a bombay local train talking about one particular episode in a disparaging way. some local shiv sena thug took offense to this and started picking a fight with us and physically threatened us. the funny thing about the whole incident was how tiny he was contrasted with how angry he got. anyway a bunch of well meaning people on the train defused the fight and all was well.

Imagine if you guys were muslims, situation might not have been defused as easily.

by ashdoc Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:24 pm

Stop muslim immigration into France .

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:24 pm

ashdoc wrote:Stop muslim immigration into France .

and the french should eat more goat.

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:28 pm

looks like the youngest of the three turned himself in.

by confuzzled dude Wed Jan 07, 2015 10:36 pm

Hellsangel wrote:The wussy Left in Europe.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/erik-wemple/wp/2015/01/07/fox-news-has-no-plans-to-air-charlie-hebdo-cartoons/?hpid=z6

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