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Post by Merlot Daruwala Wed Feb 04, 2015 11:59 pm

Dear Je-Suis-Charlieing-NRI Patriot,

I was overjoyed to see you express solidarity with Charlie Hebdo a few weeks back and breathe fire over backward, intolerant religions which impose restrictions on free speech. I completely agreed with you back then that these religion-imposed constraints are completely out of place in the modern world.

However, your own government, headed by that rockstar you so enthusiastically cheered on a few months ago at Madison Sq Gardens, says: "Posting pictures and comments on social networking sites which hurt religious sentiments cannot be tolerated and people must be prosecuted under Section 66A of the Information Technology Act.."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Sec-66A-draconian-but-is-needed-Govt/articleshow/46125733.cms

And while "religious sentiments" is what they purport to defend, the law itself is far broader in scope and says that posting / sending anything via electronic means, which annoys someone, can land one behind bars.

Now, I don't expect you to spring out of your armchair shaking your fist, or flooding the internets with your outrage (and in one case, launching 500-word essays on civil awakening etc) given that this is a government which can do *no* wrong in your eyes (and anyone who disagrees must be a CONgoon). But at the very least, I hope this contemptible defence of an ill-drafted law that egregiously violates freedom of speech, causes one tiny wrinkle to appear on your foreheads and gives you some pause in your breathless cheerleading for this government.

If not, we know the value of all your Je-Suis-Charlieing.

Best Regards
MD
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Post by confuzzled dude Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:44 am

You anti-hindu-pro-islami-commies will never get the noble intentions of our great NRI patriots. It is those anti-hindus that violate and hurt religious sentiments of Hindus with heinous acts like love jihad, proselytization. What are you doing about that?

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Post by Propagandhi711 Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:49 am

oh yeah stand in a circle, grab lots of lotion, drop pants...

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Post by Seva Lamberdar Thu Feb 05, 2015 11:51 am

confuzzled dude wrote:You anti-hindu-pro-islami-commies will never get the noble intentions of our great NRI patriots. It is those anti-hindus that violate and hurt religious sentiments of Hindus with heinous acts like love jihad, proselytization. What are you doing about that?

LOL. There hardly seems any point in talking about religious freedom with someone to whom the religious freedom means, based on his / her religious teachings (scriptural edicts), accepting others as religiously unequal and inferior to him / her and as a legitimate target for religious conversions, thus effectively leading to the end of religious pluralism. 

Incidentally, that appears to be quite similar to talking about the political freedom with a person from a political party which, according to its political manifesto, believes only in one party system (for itself only) and sees other political parties as unacceptable and worthy only of getting rid and barred (thus leading to the end of multiparty system and real political freedom).
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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:18 pm

Here's what puzzles me. Are we so entitled that we think in a speech that calls out pretty much every nation in the world, we deserve a special exemption. Hey, you can talk about Holocaust, but don't you dare mention a single riot in our backyard. Or do we, like spoilt sixteen year olds, make everything about us? Or worse, are we so over-excited that an American President should mention India that we can't help but over-read his every word?
http://www.firstpost.com/world/dear-indians-heres-how-not-to-react-to-obamas-comment-on-religious-intolerance-2082771.html

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:48 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Here's what puzzles me. Are we so entitled that we think in a speech that calls out pretty much every nation in the world, we deserve a special exemption. Hey, you can talk about Holocaust, but don't you dare mention a single riot in our backyard. Or do we, like spoilt sixteen year olds, make everything about us? Or worse, are we so over-excited that an American President should mention India that we can't help but over-read his every word?
http://www.firstpost.com/world/dear-indians-heres-how-not-to-react-to-obamas-comment-on-religious-intolerance-2082771.html

...Just proves the point you are so far behind in everything....and you are citing the same 3-day old link that your Masterabetor Mir-alat-dar-allah was criticizing

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Post by confuzzled dude Sun Feb 08, 2015 9:53 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Here's what puzzles me. Are we so entitled that we think in a speech that calls out pretty much every nation in the world, we deserve a special exemption. Hey, you can talk about Holocaust, but don't you dare mention a single riot in our backyard. Or do we, like spoilt sixteen year olds, make everything about us? Or worse, are we so over-excited that an American President should mention India that we can't help but over-read his every word?
http://www.firstpost.com/world/dear-indians-heres-how-not-to-react-to-obamas-comment-on-religious-intolerance-2082771.html

...Just proves the point you are so far behind in everything....and you are citing the same 3-day old link that your Masterabetor Mir-alat-dar-allah was criticizing
I see that you had conveniently excluded the most relevant paragraph (A direct message to NRI patriots) in your thread.

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Post by southindian Sun Feb 08, 2015 10:56 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Dear Je-Suis-Charlieing-NRI Patriot,

I was overjoyed to see you express solidarity with Charlie Hebdo a few weeks back and breathe fire over backward, intolerant religions which impose restrictions on free speech. I completely agreed with you back then that these religion-imposed constraints are completely out of place in the modern world.

However, your own government, headed by that rockstar you so enthusiastically cheered on a few months ago at Madison Sq Gardens, says: "Posting pictures and comments on social networking sites which hurt religious sentiments cannot be tolerated and people must be prosecuted under Section 66A of the Information Technology Act.."

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Sec-66A-draconian-but-is-needed-Govt/articleshow/46125733.cms

And while "religious sentiments" is what they purport to defend, the law itself is far broader in scope and says that posting / sending anything via electronic means, which annoys someone, can land one behind bars.

Now, I don't expect you to spring out of your armchair shaking your fist, or flooding the internets with your outrage (and in one case, launching 500-word essays on civil awakening etc) given that this is a government which can do *no* wrong in your eyes (and anyone who disagrees must be a CONgoon). But at the very least, I hope this contemptible defence of an ill-drafted law that egregiously violates freedom of speech, causes one tiny wrinkle to appear on your foreheads and gives you some pause in your breathless cheerleading for this government.

If not, we know the value of all your Je-Suis-Charlieing.

Best Regards
MD
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Post by Guest Mon Feb 09, 2015 10:59 am

You still didn't get it. Did you, MD? If the Hebdo guys went overboard with their freedom of expression and hurt the sentiments of any religious group, that group has every right to protest, condemn, oppose, debate, take them to the court of law, etc. But, storming in with machine guns and executing them? Is that the way to protest?

Do you expect the NRI patriots and chaddies to murder M.F Hussain, Jeffry Kirpal, Wendy Donniger and all her children, and the manufactures of foot ware and toilet seats with hindu gods' images, etc?
There are limits to freedom of expression and there are ways to protest (laws, if possible) if anyone goes overboard. Or, if you want complete freedom of speech, apply the same standard to everyone equally.

What happened to the stance of the pseudos' championing of complete, absolute and unlimited freedom of speech (which they vehemently advocated when it came to Hussain's paintings, wendy's writings, hindu gods' images on chappals and toilet seats, PK, etc) when it came to Chales Hebdo? Why are they being so wimpy now? They are trying to be on the other side of the fence. Double standards and hypocrisy?

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Post by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:09 am

Kinnera wrote:You still didn't get it. Did you, MD?

What happened to the stance of the pseudos' championing of complete, absolute and unlimited freedom of speech (which they vehemently advocated when it came to Hussain's paintings, wendy's writings, hindu gods' images on chappals and toilet seats, PK, etc) when it came to Chales Hebdo? Why are they being so wimpy now? They are trying to be on the other side of the fence. Double standards and hypocrisy?

He does not realize?...? You are naive. He knows full well what he is doing/posting. He is simply aping the iSlamic attitude of all rules apply to others and they can do whatever they want as they are only following their book.

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 09, 2015 11:23 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Kinnera wrote:You still didn't get it. Did you, MD?

What happened to the stance of the pseudos' championing of complete, absolute and unlimited freedom of speech (which they vehemently advocated when it came to Hussain's paintings, wendy's writings, hindu gods' images on chappals and toilet seats, PK, etc) when it came to Chales Hebdo? Why are they being so wimpy now? They are trying to be on the other side of the fence. Double standards and hypocrisy?

He does not realize?...? You are naive. He knows full well what he is doing/posting.  He is simply aping the iSlamic attitude of all rules apply to others and they can do whatever they want as they are only following their book.
Pseudos and hypocrites! What more can you say?

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Post by truthbetold Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:16 pm

Md has all the time in the world to criticize nri patriots but gets tongue tied when it comes to jihadi zealots. He can vomit 500 words to demean regular law abiding citizens but cannot find a single word to criticise Isis or book haram.

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