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http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150301/nation-current-affairs/article/reduced-grants-clip-andhra-pradesh%E2%80%99s-wingsHyderabad: Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister N. Chandrababu Naidu said that the Union Budget was most disappointing for the state.
He, however, acknowledged that a few schemes, like insurance for all, road connectivity for 1.75 lakh villages etc, were commendable.
Speaking to the media at the Lake View guesthouse, the CM said, “The Budget is not digestible; we had a lot of hopes from the budget, but it was disappointing. The Budget has broken the wings of the state, how can it fly?”
The CM also complained that there was no mention of funds for the construction of the new capital city.
Mr Naidu said that the Centre had reduced funds for agriculture and animal husbandry in the budget and asked how could these sectors could be developed on a reduced Budget?
He pointed out that the Centre had allotted Rs 100 crore for the Polavaram project and if the Centre allotted funds in this fashion, he didn’t know when the project would be completed.
Mr Naidu also rued that plans for special grants and funds to fill the state’s deficit had been ignored.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150301/nation-current-affairs/article/union-budget-2015-arun-jaitley-leaves-andhra-pradesh-telangana
confuzzled dude- Posts : 10205
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Jagan and KCR (and Jaya & Patnaik) should be happy.
A Paki and a Desi Kafir meditated on God who was very impressed with their devotion. He decided to fulfil their wishes. When he asked the Paki what he wanted, the Paki thought for a while and said, give me twice as much as what you give the Kafir. God goes to the Desi guy and asks him what he wants. The Desi guy, realizing that God first went to the Paki, asks him what he granted for the pieceful guy. God revealed what the Paki guy said. The Desi guy asked God to make him blind in one eye. Soon after, when the Paki guy asked for directions, the Desi guy directed him towards a cliff. The rest is history......
A Paki and a Desi Kafir meditated on God who was very impressed with their devotion. He decided to fulfil their wishes. When he asked the Paki what he wanted, the Paki thought for a while and said, give me twice as much as what you give the Kafir. God goes to the Desi guy and asks him what he wants. The Desi guy, realizing that God first went to the Paki, asks him what he granted for the pieceful guy. God revealed what the Paki guy said. The Desi guy asked God to make him blind in one eye. Soon after, when the Paki guy asked for directions, the Desi guy directed him towards a cliff. The rest is history......
Vakavaka Pakapaka- Posts : 7611
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What sir? Emitee asandharba prElApana? Modiji debbaki dimma tiriginatlundi tamariki.Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Jagan and KCR (and Jaya & Patnaik) should be happy.
A Paki and a Desi Kafir meditated on God who was very impressed with their devotion. He decided to fulfil their wishes. When he asked the Paki what he wanted, the Paki thought for a while and said, give me twice as much as what you give the Kafir. God goes to the Desi guy and asks him what he wants. The Desi guy, realizing that God first went to the Paki, asks him what he granted for the pieceful guy. God revealed what the Paki guy said. The Desi guy asked God to make him blind in one eye. Soon after, when the Paki guy asked for directions, the Desi guy directed him towards a cliff. The rest is history......
Once you are fully recovered from this budget induced concussion let us know as to what do you think of new Andhra capital standards? Would it resemble Singapore or Timbuktu?
confuzzled dude- Posts : 10205
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Modi can't escape from implementing the AP reorganization bill.
May be, CBN's aggressive approach is not liked by Modi & Jaitley. On top of it, KCR and Jagan are making a lot of noise to hurt CBN. Jaya, Mamata and Patnaik are putting pressure on Modi not to help AP.
May be, CBN's aggressive approach is not liked by Modi & Jaitley. On top of it, KCR and Jagan are making a lot of noise to hurt CBN. Jaya, Mamata and Patnaik are putting pressure on Modi not to help AP.
Vakavaka Pakapaka- Posts : 7611
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http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150301/nation-current-affairs/article/venkaiah-naidu-disagrees-chandrababu-says-enough-fund-given
Venkaiah naidu is using what VP calls CONartistry. 14th finance commission review the need of all states and set some policy guidelines for future tax money distribution. Every state gets money and so does AP. There is no special allocation to AP.
Vnaidu says you got money. That money would have been allocated to states as central grants but is now moved to state budgets to allow them some additional budgetary freedom. It is not extra money. What AP is complaining about is the funds promised under AP reorganization act. Instead of helping the state get more funds, Vnaidu is resorting to CONartistry to confuse and obfuscate facts.
Modi screwed AP big time.
Venkaiah naidu is using what VP calls CONartistry. 14th finance commission review the need of all states and set some policy guidelines for future tax money distribution. Every state gets money and so does AP. There is no special allocation to AP.
Vnaidu says you got money. That money would have been allocated to states as central grants but is now moved to state budgets to allow them some additional budgetary freedom. It is not extra money. What AP is complaining about is the funds promised under AP reorganization act. Instead of helping the state get more funds, Vnaidu is resorting to CONartistry to confuse and obfuscate facts.
Modi screwed AP big time.
truthbetold- Posts : 6799
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I agree with TBT. May be, the people of AP should not just keep quiet. Their civilized complaints are not taken seriously by others. During the Telangana "movement" of KCR, no damage to public property took place in Seema and coastal areas. May be, this time, they should stop all trains going through Vijayawada. That will certainly wake up a lot of politicians.
Yes, I also noticed what Venkaiah said at his press conference. He can't fool the people like that. Looks like he himself is not taken seriously by Modi and Jaitley.
It is possible that BJP is trying to marginalize CBN thinking that that may improve their fortunes in the state. If they are planning along those lines, they are making a big mistake.
Yes, I also noticed what Venkaiah said at his press conference. He can't fool the people like that. Looks like he himself is not taken seriously by Modi and Jaitley.
It is possible that BJP is trying to marginalize CBN thinking that that may improve their fortunes in the state. If they are planning along those lines, they are making a big mistake.
Vakavaka Pakapaka- Posts : 7611
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Hmm, isn't Dongababu Naidu a big con artist? Even on CH there are no permanent enemies and friends in politics I see.
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Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:I agree with TBT. May be, the people of AP should not just keep quiet. Their civilized complaints are not taken seriously by others. During the Telangana "movement" of KCR, no damage to public property took place in Seema and coastal areas. May be, this time, they should stop all trains going through Vijayawada. That will certainly wake up a lot of politicians.
Yes, I also noticed what Venkaiah said at his press conference. He can't fool the people like that. Looks like he himself is not taken seriously by Modi and Jaitley.
It is possible that BJP is trying to marginalize CBN thinking that that may improve their fortunes in the state. If they are planning along those lines, they are making a big mistake.
Wasn't I screaming about this forever that Modi is just another ghatiya politician. Elections are over, he doesn't need A.P for next 4 years so he doesn't care about AP instead he will suck up to Nitesh Kumars and Yadavs of Bihar and UP. Also, remember he is buddies with Ambanis and the feud they & he had with YSR about KG basin rights, if anything Modi is anti-telugus.
confuzzled dude- Posts : 10205
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CD
Modi and CBN frenimies (friend and enemy at the same time). Both are cut throat. But that does not explain why modi screwed AP. If modi ever wants to win over people of AP to BJP, this is the budget and polavaram is the project. By dissing AP and granting a mere 100 crores to polavaram, modi matched sonia in stupidity and arrogance. Big mistake. People remember Modi's promise and they will remember his failure to deliver even more longer. Random favors at a later date won't recreate the same sense of reliability. Modi lost a major chance.
This is the beginning of the end of BJP-TDP relationship.
Modi and CBN frenimies (friend and enemy at the same time). Both are cut throat. But that does not explain why modi screwed AP. If modi ever wants to win over people of AP to BJP, this is the budget and polavaram is the project. By dissing AP and granting a mere 100 crores to polavaram, modi matched sonia in stupidity and arrogance. Big mistake. People remember Modi's promise and they will remember his failure to deliver even more longer. Random favors at a later date won't recreate the same sense of reliability. Modi lost a major chance.
This is the beginning of the end of BJP-TDP relationship.
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Modi cannot winover people of AP by hurting them and insulting them. Imagine the popularity of modi if some aspect of polavaram were to be declared operational before 2019 elections. He would sweep the coastal belt between Visaka to guntur. Whoever advised modi on the budget allocation strategy for AP made a major mistake. They just killed AP growth prospects. Along with it BJP growth prospects in AP.Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:I agree with TBT. May be, the people of AP should not just keep quiet. Their civilized complaints are not taken seriously by others. During the Telangana "movement" of KCR, no damage to public property took place in Seema and coastal areas. May be, this time, they should stop all trains going through Vijayawada. That will certainly wake up a lot of politicians.
Yes, I also noticed what Venkaiah said at his press conference. He can't fool the people like that. Looks like he himself is not taken seriously by Modi and Jaitley.
It is possible that BJP is trying to marginalize CBN thinking that that may improve their fortunes in the state. If they are planning along those lines, they are making a big mistake.
truthbetold- Posts : 6799
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TBT/CD:
CBN plans to talk to Modi and Jaitley. If those talks don't go anywhere, he should start moving away from BJP. The NRI community from AP (which is prosperous and of good size) should come out and criticize the budget and the treatment of AP by the central govt.
I wonder who the planners are in the Finance ministry - there may well be some from the states that don't like to see AP succeed. In any case, Modi and Jaitley obviously don't want to help AP. CBN went around talking about making AP an economic hub alerting other CMs.
Jaitley announced special packages for Bihar and WB (elections are coming). TBT is right. Modi thinks that AP can be ignored for the next 4 years.
AP can still take the AP reorganization bill to the Supreme Court. If nothing works, that may be an option. TN became prominent with anti-Hindi and "separatist" talk. AP can start using "separatist" rhetoric. NTR demolished Indira by invoking Telugu pride.
CBN plans to talk to Modi and Jaitley. If those talks don't go anywhere, he should start moving away from BJP. The NRI community from AP (which is prosperous and of good size) should come out and criticize the budget and the treatment of AP by the central govt.
I wonder who the planners are in the Finance ministry - there may well be some from the states that don't like to see AP succeed. In any case, Modi and Jaitley obviously don't want to help AP. CBN went around talking about making AP an economic hub alerting other CMs.
Jaitley announced special packages for Bihar and WB (elections are coming). TBT is right. Modi thinks that AP can be ignored for the next 4 years.
AP can still take the AP reorganization bill to the Supreme Court. If nothing works, that may be an option. TN became prominent with anti-Hindi and "separatist" talk. AP can start using "separatist" rhetoric. NTR demolished Indira by invoking Telugu pride.
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You mean NRI patriots who hold Modiji so close to their hearts, right? Why should normal NRI community bother for incompetence of Naidu dual? Voters will kick them out of the office in next elections.Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:TBT/CD:
CBN plans to talk to Modi and Jaitley. If those talks don't go anywhere, he should start moving away from BJP. The NRI community from AP (which is prosperous and of good size) should come out and criticize the budget and the treatment of AP by the central govt.
I wonder who the planners are in the Finance ministry - there may well be some from the states that don't like to see AP succeed. In any case, Modi and Jaitley obviously don't want to help AP. CBN went around talking about making AP an economic hub alerting other CMs.
Jaitley announced special packages for Bihar and WB (elections are coming). TBT is right. Modi thinks that AP can be ignored for the next 4 years.
AP can still take the AP reorganization bill to the Supreme Court. If nothing works, that may be an option. TN became prominent with anti-Hindi and "separatist" talk. AP can start using "separatist" rhetoric. NTR demolished Indira by invoking Telugu pride.
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The budget does mention special assistance for AP. So where is the deficit ?truthbetold wrote:Modi cannot winover people of AP by hurting them and insulting them. Imagine the popularity of modi if some aspect of polavaram were to be declared operational before 2019 elections. He would sweep the coastal belt between Visaka to guntur. Whoever advised modi on the budget allocation strategy for AP made a major mistake. They just killed AP growth prospects. Along with it BJP growth prospects in AP.Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:I agree with TBT. May be, the people of AP should not just keep quiet. Their civilized complaints are not taken seriously by others. During the Telangana "movement" of KCR, no damage to public property took place in Seema and coastal areas. May be, this time, they should stop all trains going through Vijayawada. That will certainly wake up a lot of politicians.
Yes, I also noticed what Venkaiah said at his press conference. He can't fool the people like that. Looks like he himself is not taken seriously by Modi and Jaitley.
It is possible that BJP is trying to marginalize CBN thinking that that may improve their fortunes in the state. If they are planning along those lines, they are making a big mistake.
Even if there is, isn't BJP an alliance partner of TDP in AP and in the AP government ? What are these folks doing ? BTW Telangana can get money on its own. Please note Telangana has large Coal deposits, that AP does not have. With Coal auction and the projects moving along, lot of money will flow into states with large Coal Deposits, which includes Telangana So AP is the one that needs the money, and without Hyderabad, a case can be made for special funds for AP.
CBN should stop openly talking about taking on other states like TN/Karnataka etc. and work silently. When Modi got Tatas to move to Gujarat from WB, news came out after he got the deal signed. When the ground itself is shaking (with AP having to start afresh on everything), why talk of competing with other states. He can make the case in the boardrooms of corporate's who he courts for investment rather than in open forums.
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rawemotions wrote:
CBN should stop openly talking about taking on other states like TN/Karnataka etc. and work silently. When Modi got Tatas to move to Gujarat from WB, news came out after he got the deal signed. When the ground itself is shaking (with AP having to start afresh on everything), why talk of competing with other states. He can make the case in the boardrooms of corporate's who he courts for investment rather than in open forums.
Yeah, I agree.
Vakavaka Pakapaka- Posts : 7611
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Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:rawemotions wrote:
CBN should stop openly talking about taking on other states like TN/Karnataka etc. and work silently. When Modi got Tatas to move to Gujarat from WB, news came out after he got the deal signed. When the ground itself is shaking (with AP having to start afresh on everything), why talk of competing with other states. He can make the case in the boardrooms of corporate's who he courts for investment rather than in open forums.
Yeah, I agree.
You mean, like this?
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confuzzled dude wrote:Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:I agree with TBT. May be, the people of AP should not just keep quiet. Their civilized complaints are not taken seriously by others. During the Telangana "movement" of KCR, no damage to public property took place in Seema and coastal areas. May be, this time, they should stop all trains going through Vijayawada. That will certainly wake up a lot of politicians.
Yes, I also noticed what Venkaiah said at his press conference. He can't fool the people like that. Looks like he himself is not taken seriously by Modi and Jaitley.
It is possible that BJP is trying to marginalize CBN thinking that that may improve their fortunes in the state. If they are planning along those lines, they are making a big mistake.
Wasn't I screaming about this forever that Modi is just another ghatiya politician. Elections are over, he doesn't need A.P for next 4 years so he doesn't care about AP instead he will suck up to Nitesh Kumars and Yadavs of Bihar and UP. Also, remember he is buddies with Ambanis and the feud they & he had with YSR about KG basin rights, if anything Modi is anti-telugus.
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140519/business-latest/article/gujarat-state-petroleum-corp-may-begin-kg-basin-outputNew Delhi: The first major project to be commissioned after Narendra Modi takes over as Prime Minister may be one by his pet Gujarat firm GSPC, which is ready to produce gas from a field in the Krishna Godavari basin.
Gujarat State Petroleum Corp (GSPC) has completed the $2 billion development of the Deen Dayal shallow-water gas field and is conducting pre-commissioning and testing activities. Gas production is likely to start in June, sources privy to the development said. Gujarat government-owned GSPC, which faced several technical difficulties in developing the field in the Bay of Bengal, is keeping the commissioning date under wraps.
However, sources said most facilities both offshore as well as the onshore receipt and processing plant are ready and first gas is expected in June, by when the gas pricing issue would have been sorted out. GSPC last year sought to sell gas at the rate at which India imports long-term LNG (liquefied natural gas) from Qatar. At $100 per barrel of oil, the LNG import price comes to about $13 per million British thermal units.
The UPA government did not approve this rate and instead went by a formula suggested by a panel headed by C. Rangarajan, under which the price of gas in this quarter should be about $8.3 per mBtu.The price wasn’t notified due to the elections and the new government under Mr Modi is expected to decide on the matter.
Back in '03, the great Babu garu allowed Reliance have its way.
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confuzzled dude wrote:Wasn't I screaming about this forever that Modi is just another ghatiya politician.
And you still are, Comrade.
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This is not women's story telling forum to worry about emotions. 2015 budget is crucial to AP. In order to attract new industries to come to AP, it needed a good state govt and a strong central govt support. Ever since election, Modi is dillydallying on the special status citing other state elections. 2015 budget is the last chance for many industrialists to see what modi is going to offer. He offered an absolute zero incentive.
Any talks between CBN and modi/jaitley cannot change the perception that modi is not willing to help AP. Minor allocations to appease cbn will only help political discussions. The damage is done in terms of message. AP is a backward state with no particular advantage for industry to consider to move. An impression like that takes decades to change. Due to the shortsightedness of Jaitley, AP lost a major turning point. The moment is lost.
AP development burden has grown enormously. BJP is dead in AP.
What AP did not get:
1. Special status proposed by BJP and promised in parliament by the then PM.
2. National project polavaram got 100 crores. That is an insult to Andhras. Vnaidu also agreed that was an error.
3. No allocation to support AP capital construction.
4. No support for revenue short fall.
5. The supposedly increased tax revenue share to states is also cut due to national shortfall of tax collection.
Items 3 and 4 are also part of AP reorganization bill.
This is the year and time AP needed help. A rupee this year is worth a lot more in other years. I strongly believe modi decided to send the message of no help to AP. I am not sure what his political calculations are but the message could not be more clear by allocating a paltry 100 crores for Polavaram.
This is not women's story telling forum to worry about emotions. 2015 budget is crucial to AP. In order to attract new industries to come to AP, it needed a good state govt and a strong central govt support. Ever since election, Modi is dillydallying on the special status citing other state elections. 2015 budget is the last chance for many industrialists to see what modi is going to offer. He offered an absolute zero incentive.
Any talks between CBN and modi/jaitley cannot change the perception that modi is not willing to help AP. Minor allocations to appease cbn will only help political discussions. The damage is done in terms of message. AP is a backward state with no particular advantage for industry to consider to move. An impression like that takes decades to change. Due to the shortsightedness of Jaitley, AP lost a major turning point. The moment is lost.
AP development burden has grown enormously. BJP is dead in AP.
What AP did not get:
1. Special status proposed by BJP and promised in parliament by the then PM.
2. National project polavaram got 100 crores. That is an insult to Andhras. Vnaidu also agreed that was an error.
3. No allocation to support AP capital construction.
4. No support for revenue short fall.
5. The supposedly increased tax revenue share to states is also cut due to national shortfall of tax collection.
Items 3 and 4 are also part of AP reorganization bill.
This is the year and time AP needed help. A rupee this year is worth a lot more in other years. I strongly believe modi decided to send the message of no help to AP. I am not sure what his political calculations are but the message could not be more clear by allocating a paltry 100 crores for Polavaram.
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truthbetold wrote:Raw
This is not women's story telling forum to worry about emotions. 2015 budget is crucial to AP. In order to attract new industries to come to AP, it needed a good state govt and a strong central govt support. Ever since election, Modi is dillydallying on the special status citing other state elections. 2015 budget is the last chance for many industrialists to see what modi is going to offer. He offered an absolute zero incentive.
Any talks between CBN and modi/jaitley cannot change the perception that modi is not willing to help AP. Minor allocations to appease cbn will only help political discussions. The damage is done in terms of message. AP is a backward state with no particular advantage for industry to consider to move. An impression like that takes decades to change. Due to the shortsightedness of Jaitley, AP lost a major turning point. The moment is lost.
AP development burden has grown enormously. BJP is dead in AP.
What AP did not get:
1. Special status proposed by BJP and promised in parliament by the then PM.
2. National project polavaram got 100 crores. That is an insult to Andhras. Vnaidu also agreed that was an error.
3. No allocation to support AP capital construction.
4. No support for revenue short fall.
5. The supposedly increased tax revenue share to states is also cut due to national shortfall of tax collection.
Items 3 and 4 are also part of AP reorganization bill.
This is the year and time AP needed help. A rupee this year is worth a lot more in other years. I strongly believe modi decided to send the message of no help to AP. I am not sure what his political calculations are but the message could not be more clear by allocating a paltry 100 crores for Polavaram.
Yes, AP is being actively hurt by CONmen in the past and now by Modi.
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Ok on 2,3&4. If 3&4 were constitutionally mandated AP can force the issue in parliament, and has the right. BJP and TDP MP's can create noise.truthbetold wrote:Raw
This is not women's story telling forum to worry about emotions. 2015 budget is crucial to AP. In order to attract new industries to come to AP, it needed a good state govt and a strong central govt support. Ever since election, Modi is dillydallying on the special status citing other state elections. 2015 budget is the last chance for many industrialists to see what modi is going to offer. He offered an absolute zero incentive.
Any talks between CBN and modi/jaitley cannot change the perception that modi is not willing to help AP. Minor allocations to appease cbn will only help political discussions. The damage is done in terms of message. AP is a backward state with no particular advantage for industry to consider to move. An impression like that takes decades to change. Due to the shortsightedness of Jaitley, AP lost a major turning point. The moment is lost.
AP development burden has grown enormously. BJP is dead in AP.
What AP did not get:
1. Special status proposed by BJP and promised in parliament by the then PM.
2. National project polavaram got 100 crores. That is an insult to Andhras. Vnaidu also agreed that was an error.
3. No allocation to support AP capital construction.
4. No support for revenue short fall.
5. The supposedly increased tax revenue share to states is also cut due to national shortfall of tax collection.
Items 3 and 4 are also part of AP reorganization bill.
This is the year and time AP needed help. A rupee this year is worth a lot more in other years. I strongly believe modi decided to send the message of no help to AP. I am not sure what his political calculations are but the message could not be more clear by allocating a paltry 100 crores for Polavaram.
On 5, the overall share of states have gone up from 32% to 42%. Infact FM managed to reign in fiscal deficit despite a reduction in federal share itself is a feat, largely helped by reduction in Oil Prices. So surely AP like all other states also got more this year than last year. As per government reports this year 8.5L crores have been given compared to 7.3L Crores. So what facts are you using to make this determination?
What is the quantum, that Budget has allocated extra for AP ? Budget does say it allocated extra for AP, Bihar and another state. Do you know the numbers ?
On 1, BJP also promised special states to Bihar. Have they done that ? If so, they have not met their promises not just to AP but even to Bihar, a state they are much more invested in terms of political impact. While it is right to question them on not keeping promises, you cannot accuse them of ignoring only AP and attributing political motives to it.
My question earlier was not trivial and quite up to the point.
Since when is asking questions wrong ?
So I am going to ignore all this meaningless drivel you wrote and reproduced below. BTW even women do ask good questions, so you should probably not be sexist in your comments.
This is not women's story telling forum to worry about emotions.
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http://www.firstpost.com/politics/budget-2015-will-chandrababus-tdp-quit-nda-over-poor-allocation-to-andhra-2130207.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
looks like a lot of behind scene activity is going on. TDP party cadres are actively posting on social media.
I am not sure what BJP's political calculations are in AP, the relationship between bjp and tdp seem to be heading to split. For a while, Vnaidu played a good role in pushing polavaram and BJP was gaining ground in AP. Expectation is that 2015 budget will consolidate the growth. But over the past 6 to 7 weeks, modi's govt kept giving wrong signals including the leaked news of hints by Arun jaitley being opposed to special status to AP.
unfortunate result of these political mistake is that AP lost a magical moment and bjp lost a golden chance to get a foothold in AP.
looks like a lot of behind scene activity is going on. TDP party cadres are actively posting on social media.
I am not sure what BJP's political calculations are in AP, the relationship between bjp and tdp seem to be heading to split. For a while, Vnaidu played a good role in pushing polavaram and BJP was gaining ground in AP. Expectation is that 2015 budget will consolidate the growth. But over the past 6 to 7 weeks, modi's govt kept giving wrong signals including the leaked news of hints by Arun jaitley being opposed to special status to AP.
unfortunate result of these political mistake is that AP lost a magical moment and bjp lost a golden chance to get a foothold in AP.
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I will ignore lot of irrelevant stuff you wrote but focus on couple of important issues.
I am sure MPs from AP will make a case for different funds discussed above. The point is TDP is part of NDA govt. if part of the govt makes noise about its own budget and may be vote against the budget, how does that look to the nation? Such allocations should have been discussed in prior conversations and agreements must be reached. That is failure on Modi's part.
The intense reaction from all sections of AP is because of the extreme nature of budget allocation to AP. not just denial of extra pork but deprivation of basic funds (polavaram, revenue deficit covering and capital). Added to that denial of special status of AP by delaying it and putting it in cold storage (instead of saying a clear no). AP is a special case where the current of standard living of a state is threatened due to the stupidity of rulers in 2013/2014. It is govt created problem. Bihar is a different case.
14 finance comm gave out some numbers on how much states will receive. Those amounts were reduced as tax collections were below expectations. That short fall in 2015/16 for AP is close to 10,000 cr.
one more thing that bothers AP people is that they believed modi is a different type of politician. When he failed to deliver on his promise to help AP, people are angrily coming to the conclusion that modi lied just like other politicians. His credibility is greatly damaged in AP.
I will ignore lot of irrelevant stuff you wrote but focus on couple of important issues.
I am sure MPs from AP will make a case for different funds discussed above. The point is TDP is part of NDA govt. if part of the govt makes noise about its own budget and may be vote against the budget, how does that look to the nation? Such allocations should have been discussed in prior conversations and agreements must be reached. That is failure on Modi's part.
The intense reaction from all sections of AP is because of the extreme nature of budget allocation to AP. not just denial of extra pork but deprivation of basic funds (polavaram, revenue deficit covering and capital). Added to that denial of special status of AP by delaying it and putting it in cold storage (instead of saying a clear no). AP is a special case where the current of standard living of a state is threatened due to the stupidity of rulers in 2013/2014. It is govt created problem. Bihar is a different case.
14 finance comm gave out some numbers on how much states will receive. Those amounts were reduced as tax collections were below expectations. That short fall in 2015/16 for AP is close to 10,000 cr.
one more thing that bothers AP people is that they believed modi is a different type of politician. When he failed to deliver on his promise to help AP, people are angrily coming to the conclusion that modi lied just like other politicians. His credibility is greatly damaged in AP.
truthbetold- Posts : 6799
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rawemotions wrote:
The budget does mention special assistance for AP. So where is the deficit ?
Those are empty words.
100 cr. for Polavaram (and Venkaiah's statement that Polavaram was not in the AP reorganization act) is telling.
The people of AP will not keep quiet this time. They will protest.
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rawemotions wrote:
On 1, BJP also promised special states to Bihar. Have they done that ? If so, they have not met their promises not just to AP but even to Bihar, a state they are much more invested in terms of political impact. While it is right to question them on not keeping promises, you cannot accuse them of ignoring only AP and attributing political motives to it.
In the budget, there was a mention of special fund allocation to Bihar and WB.
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At the moment it is not important whether BJP takes root in AP. That is immaterial. The focus should be on whether AP got its due. There is a decent and sincere (atleast seemingly) government in AP led by CBN with BJP as alliance partner, who can do justice to governance and if he gets the support from centre.truthbetold wrote:Raw
I am sure MPs from AP will make a case for different funds discussed above. The point is TDP is part of NDA govt. if part of the govt makes noise about its own budget and may be vote against the budget, how does that look to the nation? Such allocations should have been discussed in prior conversations and agreements must be reached. That is failure on Modi's part.
The intense reaction from all sections of AP is because of the extreme nature of budget allocation to AP. not just denial of extra pork but deprivation of basic funds (polavaram, revenue deficit covering and capital). Added to that denial of special status of AP by delaying it and putting it in cold storage (instead of saying a clear no). AP is a special case where the current of standard living of a state is threatened due to the stupidity of rulers in 2013/2014. It is govt created problem. Bihar is a different case.
14 finance comm gave out some numbers on how much states will receive. Those amounts were reduced as tax collections were below expectations. That short fall in 2015/16 for AP is close to 10,000 cr.
one more thing that bothers AP people is that they believed modi is a different type of politician. When he failed to deliver on his promise to help AP, people are angrily coming to the conclusion that modi lied just like other politicians. His credibility is greatly damaged in AP.
Again , on your point (5), you quote this 10000 Cr Shortfall. You say tax collections have reduced it. The increase on states's share has been 10% from last year. Are you saying Tax Collection this year has fallen more than 10% compared to last year ? I have no issues with your points 2 to 4, in your earlier posts.
I only read some news reports and viewed talks on budget. I do not have hard facts either.
Can you list out what exactly has been AP's share ?
How much AP got last year? How much AP was expected to get this year ? How much was overall tax collection reduced ? How is your short fall calculated ?
Budget does mention special funds for AP. How much was that ? If you state figures, it is better to give raw data that back them up.Give some links.
My point on special status is NOT whether Bihar is different from AP. I am trying to discount your point that not giving special status to AP is due to some political calculus. Bihar is much important to BJP and special status has not been given to them either.
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Why is Jaya/ Mamata and Patnaik opposed to AP re-establishing itself. Perhaps it is time for the people to openly protest against these politicians and call their bluff. Mamata's TMC is an out and out political Islamist party. Jagan anyway has nothing else to do. KCR should be called a traitor to the Andhra cause. His state has called Coal deposits that helps him get money. AP has none.Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:Modi can't escape from implementing the AP reorganization bill.
May be, CBN's aggressive approach is not liked by Modi & Jaitley. On top of it, KCR and Jagan are making a lot of noise to hurt CBN. Jaya, Mamata and Patnaik are putting pressure on Modi not to help AP.
AP should make the case for extra royalty on new Gas deposit finds in Krishna Godaravi Basin.
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rawemotions wrote:
Why is Jaya/ Mamata and Patnaik opposed to AP re-establishing itself.
AP should make the case for extra royalty on new Gas deposit finds in Krishna Godaravi Basin.
There were media reports last month that Jaya, Mamata and Patnaik wrote to Modi.
Re: Gas. Ambani is a friend of Modi. CBN may not succeed on this.
TDP has a majority on its own in AP assembly. BJP has never been popular in AP and with what Jaitley/Modi did to AP, there is no danger that TDP will lose much by pulling out of the alliance at the centre.
Really sad how things are shaping up for AP.
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VP I disagree.Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:rawemotions wrote:
Why is Jaya/ Mamata and Patnaik opposed to AP re-establishing itself.
AP should make the case for extra royalty on new Gas deposit finds in Krishna Godaravi Basin.
There were media reports last month that Jaya, Mamata and Patnaik wrote to Modi.
Re: Gas. Ambani is a friend of Modi. CBN may not succeed on this.
TDP has a majority on its own in AP assembly. BJP has never been popular in AP and with what Jaitley/Modi did to AP, there is no danger that TDP will lose much by pulling out of the alliance at the centre.
Really sad how things are shaping up for AP.
It is foolish for CBN to pull out of the government. It is impulsive. That is not the right strategy.
Yes, this year has not been good ( I am still waiting for data from TBT though to verify some of the facts TBT mentioned). But Budget is not the only place things get done.
There are ways to get stuff for AP if the right noise is made. Also pulling out means, next year also will give them nothing. If they are in NDA, may be they will get something next year.
TDP+BJP MP's can make noise. People can protest against Mamta/Jaya etc.. for derailing AP. If they wrote, they would have to deny it or accept what happened. Once noise in public is made, if they speak against any future benefits to AP, people will come to know.
Also points 2-4 is AP's right in State re-organization bill. So on those aspects CBN can demand implementation.
On Gas, it is immaterial what Ambani thinks. Whatever royalty centre gets, CBN can ask for a larger share. Infact isn't this what Co-operative federalism is all about. Whatever percentage Telangana gets in Coal, atleast the same number CBN should get out of centre's share for Gas.
Andhra is endowed with hot sun. So AP can also ask for a larger share of the Solar power projects.
It is a better strategy to keep hammering this mistake to get much more in return.
CBN needs Centre for various other stuff, for example clearance for investments from Singapore.
CBN has been known to be an intelligent guy. I hope he will not make this impulsive mistake you are suggested.
The strategy is to threaten the votes on other bills (not land acq., which is important for CBN)
in Rajya sabha. In a joint session of Parliament. TDP seats become important.
If at all there is some politics is at play like what TBD suggested. I feel it could be in Polavaram. I remember folks explaining that Polavaram was opposed by KCR. Perhaps KCR is dangling the crucial support NDA needs in Rajya Sabha to derail Polavaram and may be BJP took the bait in the larger interest of passing land acq bill. There was this mysterious news of KCR joining NDA that was being floated, which BJP denied.
AP should go on the offensive and collect money from private people for Polavaram and get it going. If necessary float Bonds. If Polavram is that important and gives results, it should be difficult to mop up money using bonds. Then hammer BJP next year to get the additional share.
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Raw,
http://www.eenadu.net/news/newsitem.aspx?item=hyd-panel&no=6
This is an article in telugu. It is a news item about Polavaram authority, the central govt instrument to oversee the project construction. The expected completion time is June 2018. In order to meet that deadline, they were expecting an yearly allocation of 5000 crores. Since this is first year they were planning to makedo with 3000 crores. They got 100 crores (even that is not allocated to be available to authority).
So far BJP top leadership (other than Vnaidu) made no effort to assure people of AP.
http://www.eenadu.net/news/newsitem.aspx?item=hyd-panel&no=6
This is an article in telugu. It is a news item about Polavaram authority, the central govt instrument to oversee the project construction. The expected completion time is June 2018. In order to meet that deadline, they were expecting an yearly allocation of 5000 crores. Since this is first year they were planning to makedo with 3000 crores. They got 100 crores (even that is not allocated to be available to authority).
So far BJP top leadership (other than Vnaidu) made no effort to assure people of AP.
truthbetold- Posts : 6799
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Modiji announces a package to J&K. Are you gullible mod-backers from Andhra taking a notice?
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http://indianexpress.com/article/world/world-news/chandrababu-naidu-andhra-pradesh-special-status-bjp-arun-jaitley-2943395/Naidu particularly picked up Union Finance Minister Arun Jaitley for the attack, saying the latter failed to come up with proper answers to various questions related to the state bifurcation and implementation of the AP Reorganisation Act, which paved the way of creation of Telangana in 2014.
Addressing a press conference here late tonight, he castigated Jaitley for claiming in the Upper House of Parliament that “we have done a lot to Andhra Pradesh” so far.
“What have they done? Jaitley says injustice has been done to AP. What has he done to correct it? Why did the BJP support the bifurcation (in 2014) when it knew the Centre’s financial condition is bad,” Naidu questioned.
Is Naidu feeling like a cheap whore, the day after, who has been used and dumped. Well, this is what you get in return for putting on the short skirt to get attention of an old & bearded scumbag, and where is that pimp Venkaiah Naidu?
confuzzled dude- Posts : 10205
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"Modiji screws Telugus sideways"
Whether it is Modiji or some other horny guy, screwing sideways is a very bad idea.
Actually, it is Jaitley who has been doing this. Modi may be supporting him because, TN, Odisha, Karnataka, Chattisgarh and WB are all opposed to helping Andhra. Modi may change his tune if the people of Andhra make enough noise and his party wins enough seats in UP. However, I don't see strong protests coming from Andhra people and CONmen will ensure that the Dalits and the pieceful will jump up and down and complain about "communalism" until the UP elections are over.
Jagan is more worried about Chanchalguda right now. So CON men are the main party trying to get some milage out of lack of implementation of the AP reorganization bill. However, the people of AP won't forgive them for what Soonya, Chidambaram, Ramesh and Shinde did.
Whether it is Modiji or some other horny guy, screwing sideways is a very bad idea.
Actually, it is Jaitley who has been doing this. Modi may be supporting him because, TN, Odisha, Karnataka, Chattisgarh and WB are all opposed to helping Andhra. Modi may change his tune if the people of Andhra make enough noise and his party wins enough seats in UP. However, I don't see strong protests coming from Andhra people and CONmen will ensure that the Dalits and the pieceful will jump up and down and complain about "communalism" until the UP elections are over.
Jagan is more worried about Chanchalguda right now. So CON men are the main party trying to get some milage out of lack of implementation of the AP reorganization bill. However, the people of AP won't forgive them for what Soonya, Chidambaram, Ramesh and Shinde did.
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For every Rupee Andhra pays Indian gov in taxes, it gets back about 60 cents. Uttar Pradesh gets 178 cents, (TN gets 40 cents, Kerala gets 38 cents.)
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<<<< This is an article in telugu. It is a news item about Polavaram authority, the central govt instrument to oversee the project construction. The expected completion time is June 2018. In order to meet that deadline, they were expecting an yearly allocation of 5000 crores. Since this is first year they were planning to makedo with 3000 crores. They got 100 crores (even that is not allocated to be available to authority).>>>
This trick of not allocating not enough money is prevalent for Sothern projects. Here are some examples
Madurai-Rameswaram project received 10 crore Rupees out of the total cost of 240 crores. Cuddalore-Salem project received 6 crores out of the total project cost of 198 crores. Thiruchendur-Virudhunagar project received 20 crores while the project cost was 327 crores. Thiruchi-Manamadurai project received 10 crores out of the necessary 175 crores.
You can read more about this discriminatory projects at
http://www.tamiltribune.com/03/0602.html
This trick of not allocating not enough money is prevalent for Sothern projects. Here are some examples
Madurai-Rameswaram project received 10 crore Rupees out of the total cost of 240 crores. Cuddalore-Salem project received 6 crores out of the total project cost of 198 crores. Thiruchendur-Virudhunagar project received 20 crores while the project cost was 327 crores. Thiruchi-Manamadurai project received 10 crores out of the necessary 175 crores.
You can read more about this discriminatory projects at
http://www.tamiltribune.com/03/0602.html
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