Veeu wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/04/05/mindy-kalings-brother-pretended-to-be-black-to-get-into-med-school/

Kris wrote:

Veeu wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/04/05/mindy-kalings-brother-pretended-to-be-black-to-get-into-med-school/

>>>Chokkalingam is right in his conclusion about AA, but the 'cathartic' revelation about pretending to be black to get into med school probably had to with the book opportunity in mind. The disagreement with the famous sister may also have to do with some advice from his publisher to get the book more visibility. In any event, this is the reason I am skeptical whenever I hear Indians play the "victim" card. In fairness here, the odds are stacked against asians/indians in these things because of some strange reason to create a politically correct balance. Lingam probably would not have gotten in even if he'd had a 3.8 GPA.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

Veeu wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/04/05/mindy-kalings-brother-pretended-to-be-black-to-get-into-med-school/

>>>Chokkalingam is right in his conclusion about AA, but the 'cathartic' revelation about pretending to be black to get into med school probably had to with the book opportunity in mind. The disagreement with the famous sister may also have to do with some advice from his publisher to get the book more visibility. In any event, this is the reason I am skeptical whenever I hear Indians play the "victim" card. In fairness here, the odds are stacked against asians/indians in these things because of some strange reason to create a politically correct balance. Lingam probably would not have gotten in even if he'd had a 3.8 GPA.

it's more than bad odds. not only do they have to have a much better resume than minorities, but they also need to be head and shoulders above the majority population of this country. if that's not discrimination, i don't know what is.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

Veeu wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/04/05/mindy-kalings-brother-pretended-to-be-black-to-get-into-med-school/

>>>Chokkalingam is right in his conclusion about AA, but the 'cathartic' revelation about pretending to be black to get into med school probably had to with the book opportunity in mind. The disagreement with the famous sister may also have to do with some advice from his publisher to get the book more visibility. In any event, this is the reason I am skeptical whenever I hear Indians play the "victim" card. In fairness here, the odds are stacked against asians/indians in these things because of some strange reason to create a politically correct balance. Lingam probably would not have gotten in even if he'd had a 3.8 GPA.

it's more than bad odds. not only do they have to have a much better resume than minorities, but they also need to be head and shoulders above the majority population of this country. if that's not discrimination, i don't know what is.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Well..it is THEIR country after all and they STILL run it. Dont expect them to behave like hindus or Indian Government to be subservient to non-majority.   Imagine if the americans and Californians and Whites behaved like Hindus and India Desis and Chinkus would take all medical/engineering/business schools.

So...like the Saudis say....if you dont like to work and make money with your mouth shut, then just go back to your country.  That is what I have learnt and every country and people protect their turf - except the Indians and the hindus in India.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Well..it is THEIR country after all and they STILL run it. Dont expect them to behave like hindus or Indian Government to be subservient to non-majority.   Imagine if the americans and Californians and Whites behaved like Hindus and India Desis and Chinkus would take all medical/engineering/business schools.

So...like the Saudis say....if you dont like to work and make money with your mouth shut, then just go back to your country.  That is what I have learnt and every country and people protect their turf - except the Indians and the hindus in India.

Huh! What country you live in? There are a plenty of whites who cry just like you, day in and day out, about browning of America.

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Well..it is THEIR country after all and they STILL run it. Dont expect them to behave like hindus or Indian Government to be subservient to non-majority.   Imagine if the americans and Californians and Whites behaved like Hindus and India Desis and Chinkus would take all medical/engineering/business schools.

So...like the Saudis say....if you dont like to work and make money with your mouth shut, then just go back to your country.  That is what I have learnt and every country and people protect their turf - except the Indians and the hindus in India.

Huh! What country you live in? There are a plenty of whites who cry just like you, day in and day out, about browning of America.

Playing the oppressed minority card with that huge chip on your shoulder again, Comrade?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Well..it is THEIR country after all and they STILL run it. Dont expect them to behave like hindus or Indian Government to be subservient to non-majority.   Imagine if the americans and Californians and Whites behaved like Hindus and India Desis and Chinkus would take all medical/engineering/business schools.

So...like the Saudis say....if you dont like to work and make money with your mouth shut, then just go back to your country.  That is what I have learnt and every country and people protect their turf - except the Indians and the hindus in India.

Huh! What country you live in? There are a plenty of whites who cry just like you, day in and day out, about browning of America.

Playing the oppressed minority card with that huge chip on your shoulder again, Comrade?

Huh! where did I do that? I was merely pointing out a flaw in his argument. BTW, I don't necessarily give a damn about what school my kids attend. I'm pretty sure they will come on top given the advantage they have.

The experiment proves that racially biased preferential college admissions practices still exist, and its quite a strong bias. I therefore propose that from here on out, tall athletic non whites in the NBA be shackled to slow them down a bit, allowing shorter, slower whites to compete fairly with them. Thats fair, right ?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:affirmative action in any form is pernicious and soul destroying.  

read elsewhere:

The experiment proves that racially biased preferential college admissions practices still exist, and its quite a strong bias. I therefore propose that from here on out, tall athletic non whites in the NBA be shackled to slow them down a bit, allowing shorter, slower whites to compete fairly with them. Thats fair, right ?

confuzzled dude wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:affirmative action in any form is pernicious and soul destroying.  

read elsewhere:

The experiment proves that racially biased preferential college admissions practices still exist, and its quite a strong bias. I therefore propose that from here on out, tall athletic non whites in the NBA be shackled to slow them down a bit, allowing shorter, slower whites to compete fairly with them. Thats fair, right ?

Not sure if that is a valid analogy, running a country in democratic fashion is not anything like running a for profit business. If not for affirmative action, disadvantaged will remain disadvantaged for generations and generations. India is a prime example where downtrodden remained downtrodden for millenia.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Kris wrote:

Veeu wrote:http://nypost.com/2015/04/05/mindy-kalings-brother-pretended-to-be-black-to-get-into-med-school/

>>>Chokkalingam is right in his conclusion about AA, but the 'cathartic' revelation about pretending to be black to get into med school probably had to with the book opportunity in mind. The disagreement with the famous sister may also have to do with some advice from his publisher to get the book more visibility. In any event, this is the reason I am skeptical whenever I hear Indians play the "victim" card. In fairness here, the odds are stacked against asians/indians in these things because of some strange reason to create a politically correct balance. Lingam probably would not have gotten in even if he'd had a 3.8 GPA.

it's more than bad odds. not only do they have to have a much better resume than minorities, but they also need to be head and shoulders above the majority population of this country. if that's not discrimination, i don't know what is.

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:affirmative action in any form is pernicious and soul destroying.  

read elsewhere:

The experiment proves that racially biased preferential college admissions practices still exist, and its quite a strong bias. I therefore propose that from here on out, tall athletic non whites in the NBA be shackled to slow them down a bit, allowing shorter, slower whites to compete fairly with them. Thats fair, right ?

Not sure if that is a valid analogy, running a country in democratic fashion is not anything like running a for profit business. If not for affirmative action, disadvantaged will remain disadvantaged for generations and generations. India is a prime example where downtrodden remained downtrodden for millenia.

>>>The problem is that democracy does not mean a forced equality of everyone and forced equality of outcomes. If the idea is equal access to opportunities for everyone, that is a valid point, but that needs to be tackled at a root cause level. Beyond that, the safeguard should be no discrimination on the basis of race. In other words, a college should not keep anyone out on the basis of race, all other things being equal. I won't have any problems with investment in strengthening school facilities and teaching at the school level in minority communities, but lowering standards at  the post high school level (and even at the professional education level) is absurd. This may ease the guilt of certain people, but it is insidious. It compromises society's ability to field the best team in various endeavors, if you want to tie this to the basketball analogy. It also attaches a stigma to beneficiaries of AA as they become cast as people who got in only because of their race. The other weird claim in favor of AA is the benefit of "diversity". This "diversity" is defined in narrow terms and pretends racial groups are monoliths. If you are living in a multicultural society, why is it important to have this cradle to grave security of being amidst your own kind? And what exactly is the value added if your accountant/doctor/ teacher etc. is of your own background?  AA is at best a band-aid solution and has not produced real results for reasons that are pretty self-evident.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:affirmative action in any form is pernicious and soul destroying.  

read elsewhere:

The experiment proves that racially biased preferential college admissions practices still exist, and its quite a strong bias. I therefore propose that from here on out, tall athletic non whites in the NBA be shackled to slow them down a bit, allowing shorter, slower whites to compete fairly with them. Thats fair, right ?

Not sure if that is a valid analogy, running a country in democratic fashion is not anything like running a for profit business. If not for affirmative action, disadvantaged will remain disadvantaged for generations and generations. India is a prime example where downtrodden remained downtrodden for millenia.

>>>The problem is that democracy does not mean a forced equality of everyone and forced equality of outcomes. If the idea is equal access to opportunities for everyone, that is a valid point, but that needs to be tackled at a root cause level. Beyond that, the safeguard should be no discrimination on the basis of race. In other words, a college should not keep anyone out on the basis of race, all other things being equal. I won't have any problems with investment in strengthening school facilities and teaching at the school level in minority communities, but lowering standards at  the post high school level (and even at the professional education level) is absurd. This may ease the guilt of certain people, but it is insidious. It compromises society's ability to field the best team in various endeavors, if you want to tie this to the basketball analogy. It also attaches a stigma to beneficiaries of AA as they become cast as people who got in only because of their race. The other weird claim in favor of AA is the benefit of "diversity". This "diversity" is defined in narrow terms and pretends racial groups are monoliths. If you are living in a multicultural society, why is it important to have this cradle to grave security of being amidst your own kind? And what exactly is the value added if your accountant/doctor/ teacher etc. is of your own background?  AA is at best a band-aid solution and has not produced real results for reasons that are pretty self-evident.

You theory would work in an ideal world but I'm afraid it is just a good whitepaper in real world. In current scenario, an average student from disadvantaged background will never be able to compete with an average student that belongs to upper middle-class or rich background without AA, as they don't simply have the same resources available to them, monetary or otherwise (e.g. prepping/coaching as the most Asians do). I don't think a small percentage of students admitted via AA will dilute or lower the standards. On a different but related note, I assume you would want the govt. to do  away with the business development programs that promote women or veteran owned or minority owned businesses, as they could be lowering the standards set by the BIG BULLY corporations.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:affirmative action in any form is pernicious and soul destroying.  

read elsewhere:

The experiment proves that racially biased preferential college admissions practices still exist, and its quite a strong bias. I therefore propose that from here on out, tall athletic non whites in the NBA be shackled to slow them down a bit, allowing shorter, slower whites to compete fairly with them. Thats fair, right ?

Not sure if that is a valid analogy, running a country in democratic fashion is not anything like running a for profit business. If not for affirmative action, disadvantaged will remain disadvantaged for generations and generations. India is a prime example where downtrodden remained downtrodden for millenia.

>>>The problem is that democracy does not mean a forced equality of everyone and forced equality of outcomes. If the idea is equal access to opportunities for everyone, that is a valid point, but that needs to be tackled at a root cause level. Beyond that, the safeguard should be no discrimination on the basis of race. In other words, a college should not keep anyone out on the basis of race, all other things being equal. I won't have any problems with investment in strengthening school facilities and teaching at the school level in minority communities, but lowering standards at  the post high school level (and even at the professional education level) is absurd. This may ease the guilt of certain people, but it is insidious. It compromises society's ability to field the best team in various endeavors, if you want to tie this to the basketball analogy. It also attaches a stigma to beneficiaries of AA as they become cast as people who got in only because of their race. The other weird claim in favor of AA is the benefit of "diversity". This "diversity" is defined in narrow terms and pretends racial groups are monoliths. If you are living in a multicultural society, why is it important to have this cradle to grave security of being amidst your own kind? And what exactly is the value added if your accountant/doctor/ teacher etc. is of your own background?  AA is at best a band-aid solution and has not produced real results for reasons that are pretty self-evident.

You theory would work in an ideal world but I'm afraid it is just a good whitepaper in real world. In current scenario, an average student from disadvantaged background will never be able to compete with an average student that belongs to upper middle-class or rich background without AA, as they don't simply have the same resources available to them, monetary or otherwise (e.g. prepping/coaching as the most Asians do). I don't think a small percentage of students admitted via AA will dilute or lower the standards. On a different but related note, I assume you would want the govt. to do  away with the business development programs that promote women or veteran owned or minority owned businesses, as they could be lowering the standards set by the BIG BULLY corporations.

southindian wrote:
A scenario: 3 heart doctors (1 surgeon) get jobs in one hospital based on AA despite not being the brightest. The following week CD gets a heart attack and is taken to the same hospital. The AA admitted surgeon and other 2 AA doctors are assisting chief surgeon in OT. Right before surgery chief surgeon's stomach gets upset leaving onto AA admitted surgeon and doctors to perform surgery on CD's heart.

CD doesn't mind a thing. That's bliss.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Kris wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:affirmative action in any form is pernicious and soul destroying.  

read elsewhere:

The experiment proves that racially biased preferential college admissions practices still exist, and its quite a strong bias. I therefore propose that from here on out, tall athletic non whites in the NBA be shackled to slow them down a bit, allowing shorter, slower whites to compete fairly with them. Thats fair, right ?

Not sure if that is a valid analogy, running a country in democratic fashion is not anything like running a for profit business. If not for affirmative action, disadvantaged will remain disadvantaged for generations and generations. India is a prime example where downtrodden remained downtrodden for millenia.

>>>The problem is that democracy does not mean a forced equality of everyone and forced equality of outcomes. If the idea is equal access to opportunities for everyone, that is a valid point, but that needs to be tackled at a root cause level. Beyond that, the safeguard should be no discrimination on the basis of race. In other words, a college should not keep anyone out on the basis of race, all other things being equal. I won't have any problems with investment in strengthening school facilities and teaching at the school level in minority communities, but lowering standards at  the post high school level (and even at the professional education level) is absurd. This may ease the guilt of certain people, but it is insidious. It compromises society's ability to field the best team in various endeavors, if you want to tie this to the basketball analogy. It also attaches a stigma to beneficiaries of AA as they become cast as people who got in only because of their race. The other weird claim in favor of AA is the benefit of "diversity". This "diversity" is defined in narrow terms and pretends racial groups are monoliths. If you are living in a multicultural society, why is it important to have this cradle to grave security of being amidst your own kind? And what exactly is the value added if your accountant/doctor/ teacher etc. is of your own background?  AA is at best a band-aid solution and has not produced real results for reasons that are pretty self-evident.

You theory would work in an ideal world but I'm afraid it is just a good whitepaper in real world. In current scenario, an average student from disadvantaged background will never be able to compete with an average student that belongs to upper middle-class or rich background without AA, as they don't simply have the same resources available to them, monetary or otherwise (e.g. prepping/coaching as the most Asians do). I don't think a small percentage of students admitted via AA will dilute or lower the standards. On a different but related note, I assume you would want the govt. to do  away with the business development programs that promote women or veteran owned or minority owned businesses, as they could be lowering the standards set by the BIG BULLY corporations.

ashaNirasha wrote:He lied, and is now trying to pass it off as some kind of social experiment. He dropped out of med school after 2 years, so he is able to come out with that without coming across as being unethical. Why would he need to continue for that long if it was to just prove a point?

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

ashaNirasha wrote:He lied, and is now trying to pass it off as some kind of social experiment. He dropped out of med school after 2 years, so he is able to come out with that without coming across as being unethical. Why would he need to continue for that long if it was to just prove a point?

he might have lied long ago, but the findings from his experience are still valid.

seven wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

ashaNirasha wrote:He lied, and is now trying to pass it off as some kind of social experiment. He dropped out of med school after 2 years, so he is able to come out with that without coming across as being unethical. Why would he need to continue for that long if it was to just prove a point?

he might have lied long ago, but the findings from his experience are still valid.

Findings from one case that too so ambiguous are of no value. It's hardly an experiment. Insufficient data. Negligible in fact.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:hahaha@ chokal-ingam!

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:nanda -- what asians are railing against is not affirmative action, but the expectation that they have to score over 140 points above the mainstream white population.

Kinnera wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:nanda -- what asians are railing against is not affirmative action, but the expectation that they have to score over 140 points above the mainstream white population.

With all the high end  suburban neighborhoods that they live in, the top notch high schools that they go to, and the coaching and extra help that they get inside and ouside their homes, shouldn't they be scoring easily over 140 points above the mainstream white population though?

b_A wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:hahaha@ chokal-ingam!

What a bunch of ingratiators in that family?
The dad seems to be a fan of Bacchhan and gave a northindian/sanskrit name to the son.
The sister modified the last name to sound like a northindian kingdom and the brother trying to ingratiate to the americans calls himself ,  chokal-ingam.
What is wrong with the nice 100%tamil sounding name like chokkalingam? Why are they running away from their roots?