Merlot Daruwala wrote:Aunty, before you start flapping that tongue and commencing your limpwristed breastbeating, at least read the story.

They are not denying you your right to bow to cows, bulls, bullocks, monkeys and any other animal you take fancy. As a conquered woman, that bowing and scraping probably comes naturally to you.

All they are saying is that it should not be made mandatory in government run schools.

Does that clarify, or were there any words in the prior sentence which need further elaboration?

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Aunty, before you start flapping that tongue and commencing your limpwristed breastbeating, at least read the story.

They are not denying you your right to bow to cows, bulls, bullocks, monkeys and any other animal you take fancy. As a conquered woman, that bowing and scraping probably comes naturally to you.

All they are saying is that it should not be made mandatory in government run schools.

Does that clarify, or were there any words in the prior sentence which need further elaboration?

seven wrote:If they believe Allah is everywhere, then he is in the Sun too. So they are technically bowing to allah.
Why label this anti Muslim. They're always about one thing or another about being Muslims n life being tough. 
They should all convert if they dont like difficulties. 


Or reform their religion. Become more accommodating, accepting etc. 

And uppli- don't send them to 'their own schools'. Everyone knows they produce terrorists.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.... "Surya namaskar should not be made mandatory in government schools," because Muslims bowed only before ‘Allah.’  The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) will launch a nationwide campaign against making ‘surya namaskar’ and yoga compulsory in schools.

So the 80% should "give up" their rights so as to keep the "20%" happy.

Hope the Musalmans make it a countrywide anti-hindu issue.

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.... "Surya namaskar should not be made mandatory in government schools," because Muslims bowed only before ‘Allah.’  The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) will launch a nationwide campaign against making ‘surya namaskar’ and yoga compulsory in schools.

So the 80% should "give up" their rights so as to keep the "20%" happy.

Hope the Musalmans make it a countrywide anti-hindu issue.

That's not correct, about 13% in India are not religious or do not believe in religion.

seven wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.... "Surya namaskar should not be made mandatory in government schools," because Muslims bowed only before ‘Allah.’  The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) will launch a nationwide campaign against making ‘surya namaskar’ and yoga compulsory in schools.

So the 80% should "give up" their rights so as to keep the "20%" happy.

Hope the Musalmans make it a countrywide anti-hindu issue.

That's not correct, about 13% in India are not religious or do not believe in religion.

nitpicker. as usual you dont see the big picture. 

muslims are whining about everything. they start small, you let them get away with it, they will demand more and then more. they are very intolerant and will start objecting to everything small and big that's even remotely prohibited in islam. people are concerned.

confuzzled dude wrote:

seven wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.... "Surya namaskar should not be made mandatory in government schools," because Muslims bowed only before ‘Allah.’  The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) will launch a nationwide campaign against making ‘surya namaskar’ and yoga compulsory in schools.

So the 80% should "give up" their rights so as to keep the "20%" happy.

Hope the Musalmans make it a countrywide anti-hindu issue.

That's not correct, about 13% in India are not religious or do not believe in religion.

nitpicker. as usual you dont see the big picture. 

muslims are whining about everything. they start small, you let them get away with it, they will demand more and then more. they are very intolerant and will start objecting to everything small and big that's even remotely prohibited in islam. people are concerned.

Public schools should be free of religious activities, period.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.... "Surya namaskar should not be made mandatory in government schools," because Muslims bowed only before ‘Allah.’  The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) will launch a nationwide campaign against making ‘surya namaskar’ and yoga compulsory in schools.

So the 80% should "give up" their rights so as to keep the "20%" happy.

Hope the Musalmans make it a countrywide anti-hindu issue.

confuzzled dude wrote:

seven wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.... "Surya namaskar should not be made mandatory in government schools," because Muslims bowed only before ‘Allah.’  The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) will launch a nationwide campaign against making ‘surya namaskar’ and yoga compulsory in schools.

So the 80% should "give up" their rights so as to keep the "20%" happy.

Hope the Musalmans make it a countrywide anti-hindu issue.

That's not correct, about 13% in India are not religious or do not believe in religion.

nitpicker. as usual you dont see the big picture. 

muslims are whining about everything. they start small, you let them get away with it, they will demand more and then more. they are very intolerant and will start objecting to everything small and big that's even remotely prohibited in islam. people are concerned.

Public schools should be free of religious activities, period.

seven wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

seven wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.... "Surya namaskar should not be made mandatory in government schools," because Muslims bowed only before ‘Allah.’  The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) will launch a nationwide campaign against making ‘surya namaskar’ and yoga compulsory in schools.

So the 80% should "give up" their rights so as to keep the "20%" happy.

Hope the Musalmans make it a countrywide anti-hindu issue.

That's not correct, about 13% in India are not religious or do not believe in religion.

nitpicker. as usual you dont see the big picture. 

muslims are whining about everything. they start small, you let them get away with it, they will demand more and then more. they are very intolerant and will start objecting to everything small and big that's even remotely prohibited in islam. people are concerned.

Public schools should be free of religious activities, period.

and surya namaskar is religious how?

pravalika nanda wrote: However why would anyone object to Yoga being made compulsory?

pravalika nanda wrote:I forget what a surya namaskaram is. Is it religious? It might be. .... I don't find anything religious about yoga at all. It's so beneficial to the mind and body.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Shaven, you probably don't know that traditionally, when you do the Surya Namaskar properly, you are supposed to chant various Sanskrit salutations to the Sun God. Eg: "Om Aadityaya namaha etc".

So yes, it is very much religious although one is free to ignore the religio-spiritual element and treat it purely as a fitness regime aka Indian Pilates.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:"My way or high way" is typical of fanatical followers of dogma.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:"My way or high way" is typical of fanatical followers of dogma.

The only fanatics here are the ones imposing their dietary preferences and their exercises on everyone.

By all means promote vegetarianism as a healthier option or yoga as a wellness exercise. But when you start restricting other people's freedom of choice and making your preferences mandatory to everyone else, you are no different from those crazy 7th century folks.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:"My way or high way" is typical of fanatical followers of dogma.

The only fanatics here are the ones imposing their dietary preferences and their exercises on everyone.

By all means promote vegetarianism as a healthier option or yoga as a wellness exercise. But when you start restricting other people's freedom of choice and making your preferences mandatory to everyone else, you are no different from those crazy 7th century folks.

Fanatics in all religions are a problem to societies.

Yoga is a helpful thing. There is nothing wrong in India asking people to take advantage of it. Opposing it for dogma is regressive. Supporting monomaniacs on this is fukularly Sikular.

confuzzled dude wrote:Wonder what would be the reaction of NRI patriots if the US mandated reciting of a few verses of bible in public schools.

confuzzled dude wrote:Wonder what would be the reaction of NRI patriots if the US mandated reciting of a few verses of bible in public schools.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Aunty, before you start flapping that tongue and commencing your limpwristed breastbeating, at least read the story.

They are not denying you your right to bow to cows, bulls, bullocks, monkeys and any other animal you take fancy. As a conquered woman, that bowing and scraping probably comes naturally to you.

All they are saying is that it should not be made mandatory in government run schools.

Does that clarify, or were there any words in the prior sentence which need further elaboration?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

seven wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

.... "Surya namaskar should not be made mandatory in government schools," because Muslims bowed only before ‘Allah.’  The All India Muslim Personal Law Board (AIMPLB) will launch a nationwide campaign against making ‘surya namaskar’ and yoga compulsory in schools.

So the 80% should "give up" their rights so as to keep the "20%" happy.

Hope the Musalmans make it a countrywide anti-hindu issue.

That's not correct, about 13% in India are not religious or do not believe in religion.

nitpicker. as usual you dont see the big picture. 

muslims are whining about everything. they start small, you let them get away with it, they will demand more and then more. they are very intolerant and will start objecting to everything small and big that's even remotely prohibited in islam. people are concerned.

Public schools should be free of religious activities, period.

What is a public school ?

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Shaven, you probably don't know that traditionally, when you do the Surya Namaskar properly, you are supposed to chant various Sanskrit salutations to the Sun God. Eg: "Om Aadityaya namaha etc".

So yes, it is very much religious although one is free to ignore the religio-spiritual element and treat it purely as a fitness regime aka Indian Pilates.

Why can't they recite some verses from the Koran while doing the physical exercises related to Suryanamaskar? After all, they face Mecca when they do their prayers (without thinking that Mecca is a God). If there is a cooperative will, there is a way. "My way or high way" is typical of fanatical followers of dogma. While Semitic religions are fundamentally opposed to science and logic, today's Christianity has adjusted itself to science. However, Islam is still frozen in the 7th century. It is a shame that Muslims who assisted Europe in pulling out of the dark ages are themselves opting to embrace it (while Sikularists cheer on)!

FluteHolder wrote:Why can't they recite some verses from the Koran while doing the physical exercises related to Suryanamaskar?
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I guess while doing yoga, there is no recital of any mantra is done. And breathing is controlled or directed as per pose. If anyone recites mantra or verses the yogic pose/exercise may not be effective. If one understands yoga is mostly for physical well being, there should not be objections to it. 

Actually, it is misleading to describe AIMPLB’s threatened protest as a "Muslim" reaction. Its grandees who took the decision represent nobody but themselves. And this is evident from the fact that apart from the usual suspects such as the likes of All India Majlis-e-Ittehadul Muslimeen’s Asaduddin Owaisi, few muslims have come out in its support of the Muslim Board’s call.

On the contrary, even as its leading lights were busy milking the surya namaskar row, young muslims were protesting outside its offices in Lucknow questioning its narrow minded agenda and demanding a say in its affairs. They also criticised the closed-door meeting at which the resolution on the surya namaskar issue was adopted, according to a report in The Indian Express.

Most Muslims I spoke to in a quick phone-around didn't seem to care so long as nobody was forced to do it. My own nephew, Kaif Mahmood, a young academic, who is heavily into yoga said:" I've practised yoga for over a decade and it is one of the most important aspects of my life. I have no problems doing the surya namaskar or chanting a mantra. If God is more concerned about which direction your head is bowed in rather than what lies in your heart when you perform that pose, and at all other times, then I doubt if he/she is a god worth worshipping at all. The God that I know is less concerned with such external superficialities. At the same time, as a liberal I fully support anyone's right to not have any kind of practice imposed on them, however absurd their reasons for objecting might be, as they are in this case.’’

SomeProfile wrote:Even if you chant the mantras when doing Suryanamaskar, it's nothing religious. The mantras are nothing more than greeting the Sun like you would greet a friend. It may be a little weird for some people to greet something they consider to be inanimate. But nothing religious about it, especially when you consider the meaning of the mantras. A few examples:

Mitraaya namaha - greetings to the friendly one (Sun is considered to be friendly to all)

Ravaye namaha - greetings to the radiant one

Khagaaya namaha - greetings to the one who moves across the sky

And so on...

Such subtlety is of course lost on Abrahamic followers and the sickulars. After all, they opposed the Vande Mataram song because they thought it is in praise of goddess Lakshmi, Durga, Saraswati! LOL!! The truth is that the song merely describes the country as being like Lakshmi (the giver of wealth), Saraswati (the giver of wisdom), and Durga (the giver of strength).

FluteHolder wrote:
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I guess while doing yoga, there is no recital of any mantra is done. And breathing is controlled or directed as per pose. If anyone recites mantra or verses the yogic pose/exercise may not be effective. If one understands yoga is mostly for physical well being, there should not be objections to it. 

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

SomeProfile wrote:Even if you chant the mantras when doing Suryanamaskar, it's nothing religious. The mantras are nothing more than greeting the Sun like you would greet a friend. It may be a little weird for some people to greet something they consider to be inanimate. But nothing religious about it, especially when you consider the meaning of the mantras. A few examples:

Mitraaya namaha - greetings to the friendly one (Sun is considered to be friendly to all)

Ravaye namaha - greetings to the radiant one

Khagaaya namaha - greetings to the one who moves across the sky

And so on...

Such subtlety is of course lost on Abrahamic followers and the sickulars. After all, they opposed the Vande Mataram song because they thought it is in praise of goddess Lakshmi, Durga, Saraswati! LOL!! The truth is that the song merely describes the country as being like Lakshmi (the giver of wealth), Saraswati (the giver of wisdom), and Durga (the giver of strength).

Yup that makes a lot of sense. Om Suryaya Namaha,  Om Shivaya Namaha, Om Vishnave namaha etc have nothing to do with religion. It is just Sanskrit for "Hey Bud, whatup!" to be said to our good buddies - the various forces in nature such as the Sun, the destructive forces and the sustaining forces etc.

You sir, are a hoot. Do post more often.

southindian wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

SomeProfile wrote:Even if you chant the mantras when doing Suryanamaskar, it's nothing religious. The mantras are nothing more than greeting the Sun like you would greet a friend. It may be a little weird for some people to greet something they consider to be inanimate. But nothing religious about it, especially when you consider the meaning of the mantras. A few examples:

Mitraaya namaha - greetings to the friendly one (Sun is considered to be friendly to all)

Ravaye namaha - greetings to the radiant one

Khagaaya namaha - greetings to the one who moves across the sky

And so on...

Such subtlety is of course lost on Abrahamic followers and the sickulars. After all, they opposed the Vande Mataram song because they thought it is in praise of goddess Lakshmi, Durga, Saraswati! LOL!! The truth is that the song merely describes the country as being like Lakshmi (the giver of wealth), Saraswati (the giver of wisdom), and Durga (the giver of strength).

Yup that makes a lot of sense. Om Suryaya Namaha,  Om Shivaya Namaha, Om Vishnave namaha etc have nothing to do with religion. It is just Sanskrit for "Hey Bud, whatup!" to be said to our good buddies - the various forces in nature such as the Sun, the destructive forces and the sustaining forces etc.

You sir, are a hoot. Do post more often.

aVivek,

You can say "Allah Surya Namaha, Allah Surya Namaha, Allah Surya Namaha" and perform Yoga.

Who's stopping you... other than your limited reasoning and your pea brain?

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

southindian wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

SomeProfile wrote:Even if you chant the mantras when doing Suryanamaskar, it's nothing religious. The mantras are nothing more than greeting the Sun like you would greet a friend. It may be a little weird for some people to greet something they consider to be inanimate. But nothing religious about it, especially when you consider the meaning of the mantras. A few examples:

Mitraaya namaha - greetings to the friendly one (Sun is considered to be friendly to all)

Ravaye namaha - greetings to the radiant one

Khagaaya namaha - greetings to the one who moves across the sky

And so on...

Such subtlety is of course lost on Abrahamic followers and the sickulars. After all, they opposed the Vande Mataram song because they thought it is in praise of goddess Lakshmi, Durga, Saraswati! LOL!! The truth is that the song merely describes the country as being like Lakshmi (the giver of wealth), Saraswati (the giver of wisdom), and Durga (the giver of strength).

Yup that makes a lot of sense. Om Suryaya Namaha,  Om Shivaya Namaha, Om Vishnave namaha etc have nothing to do with religion. It is just Sanskrit for "Hey Bud, whatup!" to be said to our good buddies - the various forces in nature such as the Sun, the destructive forces and the sustaining forces etc.

You sir, are a hoot. Do post more often.

aVivek,

You can say "Allah Surya Namaha, Allah Surya Namaha, Allah Surya Namaha" and perform Yoga.

Who's stopping you... other than your limited reasoning and your pea brain?

Oh Avivek. Did you really think recycling VVPP Unkil's lame suggestion would make you look clever??

southindian wrote:
Nope! never thought of that...

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

southindian wrote:
Nope! never thought of that...

Yes, it was unfair to expect you to think. I didn't mean to rub it in. Sorry.

southindian wrote:
If you want I can play this all day long today.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

southindian wrote:
If you want I can play this all day long today.

Yes, I want you to keep playing with yourself. Anything to keep you busy and out of mischief.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote: However why would anyone object to Yoga being made compulsory?

Why should anything be made mandatory? If you like to do Surya Namaskar, feel free to do it. Why insist that others should follow suit? How would you like it if tomorrow Impy becomes PM and decides to make a morning session of Bharatnatyam mandatory to all because it alleviates stress and improves muscle strength, stamina, flexibility and balance??

** i would be seriously pissed off if anything as ridiculous as BN is made mandatory.

pravalika nanda wrote:I forget what a surya namaskaram is. Is it religious? It might be. .... I don't find anything religious about yoga at all. It's so beneficial to the mind and body.

Sigh. Pravu. Either it is religious or it is not. And if you forgot what it is, you could not also know about its benefits to mind and body.

** i'm getting very confused. is the SN part of yoga?

**anyhow, i don't think anything religious should be made compulsory and i think the practice of religion should be kept out of school. yoga however is indian in origin and as far as i know it can be practiced and taught in a non-religious fashion.
the thing is indian muslims and christinas have problems with all things indian though they themselves are indina. if they don't want to practice yoga that is their loss, not mine.

**when i read about the physical and mental benefits of yoga i feel that i would have benefited from learning it as a youngster. you cannot compare yoga to bn. how can you?