Onbehalf of SuCh Sikular Scholars, I demand.....

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sun Jul 19, 2015 9:29 pm

...... a new system to rank universities. Universities in India should be checked for their Sikular character, and given credit for admitting SC/ST students getting 6% & OBC students getting 30%, in exams. "Upper caste" students who get above 90% should be sent to Adilabad district in Telangana, Srikakulam district in AP, Southern Chhattisgarh, Bimaru Bihar and the tribal belt in Odisha to do hard labor under the Rajiv Gandui Yuva Yojana program.

Garibi Hatao.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150720/nation-education/article/no-indian-educational-institution-global-list-top-300-universities

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:03 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:...... a new system to rank universities. Universities in India should be checked for their Sikular character, and given credit for admitting SC/ST students getting 6% & OBC students getting 30%, in exams. "Upper caste" students who get above 90% should be sent to Adilabad district in Telangana, Srikakulam district in AP, Southern Chhattisgarh, Bimaru Bihar and the tribal belt in Odisha to do hard labor under the Rajiv Gandui Yuva Yojana program.

Garibi Hatao.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150720/nation-education/article/no-indian-educational-institution-global-list-top-300-universities

Nothing to worry....Media will soon discover some other survey that will list a couple of Indian universities in the "TOP 50" under some twisted classification.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sun Jul 19, 2015 10:22 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:...... a new system to rank universities. Universities in India should be checked for their Sikular character, and given credit for admitting SC/ST students getting 6% & OBC students getting 30%, in exams. "Upper caste" students who get above 90% should be sent to Adilabad district in Telangana, Srikakulam district in AP, Southern Chhattisgarh, Bimaru Bihar and the tribal belt in Odisha to do hard labor under the Rajiv Gandui Yuva Yojana program.

Garibi Hatao.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/150720/nation-education/article/no-indian-educational-institution-global-list-top-300-universities

The drop in rank is due to RSS/BJP/Modi

by MaxEntropy_Man Mon Jul 20, 2015 5:13 am

the ranking of the IITs is terrible, but where are the universities that are not specialized tech schools -- madras university, annamalai, andhra, and jadavpur?

by Seva Lamberdar Mon Jul 20, 2015 8:27 am

I just got the following email (reproduced in italics) from an IIT-classmate of mine (1970 batch), shedding further light on the sad situation.

Your concern are genuine -- I had tried to talk to Additional Secretory HRD -- when Kapil Sibble was the HRD minister-- he flatly told me that "" when IIT Directors are willing to tow the Government line -- so that they can get extension of their Services beyond sixty years -- how can they retaliate -- to lowering of teaching standards?""HRD ministers -- starting with Joshiji -- Arjun Singh -- Kapil Sibbal-- impregnated -- conceived and baby of lower standard delivered and currently she has little to do-- than to keep the system going.

If you are able to lay your hand on a World Bank report published three years back -- Indian standards of Technical Education was at the bottom end-- IIT were rated some 500 ths in ranking--poor teaching of SMET-- that is S- science: physics and chemistry M- mathematics - E- engineering-- T- technology was being down graded -- so as to push political agenda.

The best way for the Government is to " Spread thin teaching resources to larger number of IITs- thus allowing more liberal - ENTRY into the " Institute of Higher Learning.

The several Boards of Secondary Education-- have been preaching reservation -- now they have managed to practice it to one of the best IITs.

Going forward -- the Pan-IIT should draw up a resolution and send it to Cabinet Secretory -- PM and HRD Minister -- with copies to all IIT Directors and Secretary of HRD

Globally we have to compete with China also -- and they are far ahead -- look at their numbers in Bay Area and you will be convinced.[/size]

by swapna Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:30 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:the ranking of the IITs is terrible, but where are the universities that are not specialized tech schools -- madras university, annamalai, andhra, and jadavpur?

terrible? the iits' ranks are probably well-deserved. moreover, why should the general-interest universities such as madras university receive a high rank among the global 500 or global 1000? for their output of research findings that benefit humanity? for their innovations in the mass education of a newly-free, democratic nation with lofty aspirations?

this dose of reality and the introspection brought about by the global ranking will be beneficial to indian universities and indians. there are quite obvious actions to be taken, and policy changes to be made to improve indian universities. does anyone have any ideas? can anyone discuss them clearly in english?

here's a radically different idea: lower the admission standards, yes, for the iits too; increase, perhaps triple or quadruple the number of places ("seats"); after giving all freshmen an excellent education for one to 1.5 years, filter out those who don't meet the highest standards. we may find that 75% of the freshmen are filtered out.

then make arrangements for the appropriate education of those who are filtered out, and continue the high-level education of those who remain.

no matter how well-received such a plan might be, india should be more willing to experiment with and explore education systems that are more suited to its stage of economic development, and be prepared to shed unsuitable, inherited paradigms.

the other critical factor which I don't discuss here, but must be, is the quality of faculty; not buildings, but faculty.

by swapna Mon Jul 20, 2015 10:37 am

there is no such word as onbehalf.

by swapna Mon Jul 20, 2015 1:37 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:I just got the following email (reproduced in italics) from an IIT-classmate of mine (1970 batch), shedding further light on the sad situation.

Your concern are genuine -- I had tried to talk to Additional Secretory HRD -- when Kapil Sibble was the HRD minister-- he flatly told me that "" when IIT Directors are willing to tow the Government line -- so that they can get extension of their Services beyond sixty years -- how can they retaliate -- to lowering of teaching standards?""HRD ministers -- starting with Joshiji -- Arjun Singh -- Kapil Sibbal-- impregnated -- conceived and baby of lower standard delivered and currently she has little to do-- than to keep the system going.

If you are able to lay your hand on a World Bank report published three years back -- Indian standards of Technical Education was at the bottom end-- IIT were rated some 500 ths in ranking--poor teaching of SMET-- that is S- science: physics and chemistry M- mathematics - E- engineering-- T- technology was being down graded -- so as to push political agenda.

The best way for the Government is to " Spread thin teaching resources to larger number of IITs- thus allowing more liberal - ENTRY into the " Institute of Higher Learning.

The several Boards of Secondary Education-- have been preaching reservation -- now they have managed to practice it to one of the best IITs.

Going forward -- the Pan-IIT should draw up a resolution and send it to Cabinet Secretory -- PM and HRD Minister -- with copies to all IIT Directors and Secretary of HRD

Globally we have to compete with China also -- and they are far ahead -- look at their numbers in Bay Area and you will be convinced.[/size]

"science: physics and chemistry"'-- seva's iit classmate.

I find it interesting that biology, that most important and rapidly developing of all the sciences of the 21st century, does not find a place in seva's classmate's definition of science!

by Seva Lamberdar Tue Jul 21, 2015 8:50 am

swapna wrote:
"science: physics and chemistry"'-- seva's iit classmate.

I find it interesting that biology, that most important and rapidly developing of all the sciences of the 21st century, does not find a place in seva's classmate's definition of science!

>>> Did you have any classes / courses in biology (botany and / or zoology) when you were studying engineering at IIT Madras?

by swapna Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:02 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
"science: physics and chemistry"'-- seva's iit classmate.

I find it interesting that biology, that most important and rapidly developing of all the sciences of the 21st century, does not find a place in seva's classmate's definition of science!

>>> Did you have any classes / courses in biology (botany and / or zoology) when you were studying engineering at IIT Madras?

the question you ask is irrelevant to the definition of sciemce as merely physics and chemistry.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Jul 21, 2015 9:04 am

swapna wrote:there is no such word as onbehalf.

We have a saying in Telugu that roughly translates into: "just like a barber, who doesn't have any work, shaving the head of a cat"......

by swapna Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:39 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
swapna wrote:there is no such word as onbehalf.

We have a saying in Telugu that roughly translates into: "just like a barber, who doesn't have any work, shaving the head of a cat"......

I admit that it's better to carp, whine, wail, and gnash your teeth here about the gandhi family than to get someone else worked up sufficiently to kill abdul the autorickshaw driver; however, what you do is the equivalent of shaving thousands of cats.

furthermore, no telugu proverb will negate my earlier words: there is no such word as "onbehalf." you may now thank me for teaching you something.

by Seva Lamberdar Tue Jul 21, 2015 1:51 pm

swapna wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
"science: physics and chemistry"'-- seva's iit classmate.

I find it interesting that biology, that most important and rapidly developing of all the sciences of the 21st century, does not find a place in seva's classmate's definition of science!

>>> Did you have any classes / courses in biology (botany and / or zoology) when you were studying engineering at IIT Madras?
the question you ask is irrelevant to the definition of sciemce as merely physics and chemistry.

The discussion or context (including the email) was not about the definition of science subjects but what subjects (e.g. chemistry and physics) are necessary during the engineering education (at IITs especially).

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Jul 21, 2015 6:02 pm

swapna wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
swapna wrote:there is no such word as onbehalf.

We have a saying in Telugu that roughly translates into: "just like a barber, who doesn't have any work, shaving the head of a cat"......
I admit that it's better to carp, whine, wail, and gnash your teeth here about the gandhi family than to get someone else worked up sufficiently to kill abdul the autorickshaw driver; however, what you do is the equivalent of shaving thousands of cats.

furthermore, no telugu proverb will negate my earlier words: there is no such word as "onbehalf." you may now thank me for teaching you something.

It was just a spacing error. Takeit easy!

by swapna Wed Jul 22, 2015 10:33 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
"science: physics and chemistry"'-- seva's iit classmate.

I find it interesting that biology, that most important and rapidly developing of all the sciences of the 21st century, does not find a place in seva's classmate's definition of science!

>>> Did you have any classes / courses in biology (botany and / or zoology) when you were studying engineering at IIT Madras?
the question you ask is irrelevant to the definition of sciemce as merely physics and chemistry.
The discussion or context (including the email) was not about the definition of science subjects but what subjects (e.g. chemistry and physics) are necessary during the engineering education (at IITs especially).

[size=48]"SMET-- that is S- science: physics and chemistry M- mathematics - E- engineering-- T- technology" -- an iit grad.[/size]

[size=48]he first defines SMET to be made up of science, mathematics, engineering, and technology; then he further defines science to be made up of physics and chemistry. it's quite clear. and surprising.[/size]

by Seva Lamberdar Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:22 am

swapna wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
"science: physics and chemistry"'-- seva's iit classmate.

I find it interesting that biology, that most important and rapidly developing of all the sciences of the 21st century, does not find a place in seva's classmate's definition of science!

>>> Did you have any classes / courses in biology (botany and / or zoology) when you were studying engineering at IIT Madras?
the question you ask is irrelevant to the definition of sciemce as merely physics and chemistry.
The discussion or context (including the email) was not about the definition of science subjects but what subjects (e.g. chemistry and physics) are necessary during the engineering education (at IITs especially).
"SMET-- that is S- science: physics and chemistry M- mathematics - E- engineering-- T- technology" -- an iit grad.

he first defines SMET to be made up of science, mathematics, engineering, and technology; then he further defines science to be made up of physics and chemistry. it's quite clear. and surprising.

Don't forget the context in the above -- science in engineering education, which includes little biology (botany and zoology),
" IIT were rated some 500 ths in ranking--poor teaching of SMET-- that is S- science: physics and chemistry M- mathematics - E- engineering-- T- technology was being down graded"

by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:27 am

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:

>>> Did you have any classes / courses in biology (botany and / or zoology) when you were studying engineering at IIT Madras?
the question you ask is irrelevant to the definition of sciemce as merely physics and chemistry.
The discussion or context (including the email) was not about the definition of science subjects but what subjects (e.g. chemistry and physics) are necessary during the engineering education (at IITs especially).
"SMET-- that is S- science: physics and chemistry M- mathematics - E- engineering-- T- technology" -- an iit grad.

he first defines SMET to be made up of science, mathematics, engineering, and technology; then he further defines science to be made up of physics and chemistry. it's quite clear. and surprising.

Don't forget the context in the above -- science in engineering education, which includes little biology (botany and zoology),
" IIT were rated some 500 ths in ranking--poor teaching of SMET-- that is S- science: physics and chemistry M- mathematics - E- engineering-- T- technology was being down graded"

no longer. perusing this may be helpful: http://www.nibib.nih.gov/
IIT-B's BioEngineering homepage: http://www.bio.iitb.ac.in/

by Seva Lamberdar Thu Jul 23, 2015 8:37 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
the question you ask is irrelevant to the definition of sciemce as merely physics and chemistry.
The discussion or context (including the email) was not about the definition of science subjects but what subjects (e.g. chemistry and physics) are necessary during the engineering education (at IITs especially).
"SMET-- that is S- science: physics and chemistry M- mathematics - E- engineering-- T- technology" -- an iit grad.

he first defines SMET to be made up of science, mathematics, engineering, and technology; then he further defines science to be made up of physics and chemistry. it's quite clear. and surprising.

Don't forget the context in the above -- science in engineering education, which includes little biology (botany and zoology),
" IIT were rated some 500 ths in ranking--poor teaching of SMET-- that is S- science: physics and chemistry M- mathematics - E- engineering-- T- technology was being down graded"

no longer. perusing this may be helpful: http://www.nibib.nih.gov/
IIT-B's BioEngineering homepage: http://www.bio.iitb.ac.in/

This is a specialized field (bio-engineering) in the overall engineering. It involves a limited use of biological sciences (zoology and botany), just like I had a course in botany at IIT during my B.Tech. degree in agr. engg. It does not warrant that botany and zoology be the required courses to all engineering students.

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