reasons for becoming an academic economist

by swapna Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:36 am

apparently honest answers from posters at e.j.m.r. honest, because the forum is absolutely anonymous.

www.econjobrumors.com/topic/why-did-you-become-an-academic-economist

most of the posters are probably assistant professors and post-doctoral research scholars, more likely the former.

by Propagandhi711 Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:55 am

newsflash: no one here gives a shit

by swapna Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:10 am

some abbreviations and jargon in the posts linked:

LAC = liberal arts college;

HRM = high-ranked monkey, I.e. a person connected to a top-10 department; such a department;

reg monkey = regression monkey, contemptuous reference to researchers in economics who publish papers in low-ranked journals, based largely on empirical studies that are unaccompanied by theoretical insights.

by Guest Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:14 am

you seem to be basing too much of your life on your daughter's occupation. god knows what's the idea behind it, but doesn't seem right for your mental health.

by swapna Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:16 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:newsflash: no one here gives a shit

clearly, you do.

by Propagandhi711 Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:16 am

swapna wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:newsflash: no one here gives a shit
clearly, you do.

nobodygivesashit.com

by swapna Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:54 am

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:you seem to be basing too much of your life on your daughter's occupation. god knows what's tehe idea behind it, but doesn't seem right for your mental health.

it's an interest, somewhat strong now, which will abate as time passes, but not my life.

it has been quite a journey: ten years of after-school education, three degrees, two year-long research jobs, half a dozen relevant internships, starting in 11th grade, and a fellowship at a federal reserve bank, all of which enhanced her drive towards her objective.

plus fly-outs to, and presentations at half a dozen universities around the u.s., and the world bank, and interviews and quotations by the media, with more coming up.

she knew exactly what she was doing, declining high-paying jobs along the way, to gain the independence and intellectual environment she wanted. not all was perfect or ideal, but she made excellent, intelligent choices.

from her high-school days, we have not insisted on her taking any specific facultypath, but only remained available. nearly all the credit goes to her.

I am fully engaged in my work, and cheerfully so.

btw, last week, we drove several hundred miles, over two days, mostly for the fun of it, from chicago to her new campus in the northeast.

by swapna Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:11 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:
swapna wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:newsflash: no one here gives a shit
clearly, you do.

nobodygivesashit.com

weak.com

by swapna Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:15 am

swapna wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:you seem to be basing too much of your life on your daughter's occupation. god knows what's tehe idea behind it, but doesn't seem right for your mental health.
it's an interest, somewhat strong now, which will abate as time passes, but not my life.

it has been quite a journey: ten years of after-school education, three degrees, two year-long research jobs, half a dozen relevant internships, starting in 11th grade, and a fellowship at a federal reserve bank, all of which enhanced her drive towards her objective.

plus fly-outs to, and presentations at half a dozen universities around the u.s., and the world bank, and interviews and quotations by the media, with more coming up.

she knew exactly what she was doing, declining high-paying jobs along the way, to gain the independence and intellectual environment she wanted. not all was perfect or ideal, but she made excellent, intelligent choices.

from her high-school days, we have not insisted on her taking any specific facultypath, but only remained available. nearly all the credit goes to her.

I am fully engaged in my work, and cheerfully so.

btw, last week, we drove several hundred miles, over two days, mostly for the fun of it, from chicago to her new campus in the northeast.

correction in the third paragraph from below:

"path," not "facultypath."

by Guest Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:57 am

Hasn't she majored in Physics in undergrad? Why did she make the shift to Economics? A Phd in Physics would've been cool. Not many dare to tread that path. Econ is a bleh!

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:02 pm

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:you seem to be basing too much of your life on your daughter's occupation. god knows what's the idea behind it, but doesn't seem right for your mental health.

Flimmy is so proud he has really bloated to the point of a Sumo wrestler. He has every reason to be proud of her accomplishment but at THIS forum? for the Nth time ? and g get his daughter's name dragged by strangers and ebused?

I think he is close to losing it.

by Seva Lamberdar Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:36 pm

swapna wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:you seem to be basing too much of your life on your daughter's occupation. god knows what's tehe idea behind it, but doesn't seem right for your mental health.
it's an interest, somewhat strong now, which will abate as time passes, but not my life.

it has been quite a journey: ten years of after-school education, three degrees, two year-long research jobs, half a dozen relevant internships, starting in 11th grade, and a fellowship at a federal reserve bank, all of which enhanced her drive towards her objective.

plus fly-outs to, and presentations at half a dozen universities around the u.s., and the world bank, and interviews and quotations by the media, with more coming up.

she knew exactly what she was doing, declining high-paying jobs along the way, to gain the independence and intellectual environment she wanted. not all was perfect or ideal, but she made excellent, intelligent choices.

from her high-school days, we have not insisted on her taking any specific facultypath, but only remained available. nearly all the credit goes to her.

I am fully engaged in my work, and cheerfully so.

btw, last week, we drove several hundred miles, over two days, mostly for the fun of it, from chicago to her new campus in the northeast.

Congratulations to you and your daughter. You again prove the point that parents need to take an active interest in their kids' education on the path to promising careers.

by SomeProfile Tue Aug 11, 2015 2:03 pm

Now it is clear why he is so interested in "caucasian men and the (Asian women) fetishes that stimulate their perpendicularities"!

by Propagandhi711 Tue Aug 11, 2015 3:36 pm

SomeProfile wrote:Now it is clear why he is so interested in "caucasian men and the (Asian women) fetishes that stimulate their perpendicularities"!

perhaps he's also pretending to be a korean female on that dumbfuck forum to get some whitie with yellow fever. we always knew phlegmy's a homosexual pederast so this makes complete sense

by swapna Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:07 pm

Kinnera wrote:Hasn't she majored in Physics in undergrad? Why did she make the shift to Economics? A Phd in Physics would've been cool. Not many dare to tread that path. Econ is a bleh!

she graduated from yale in four years with a b.s. in physics and a b.a. in economics. both were mathematics-heavy.

she would have preferred to major in mathematics than in physics, but she wanted both, and the physics department allowed her to take more math courses than the math department allowed her to take physics courses. hence, the physics major.

both her dissertation committee co-chairmen at chicago, who were well-known economists, had bachelor's degrees in mathematics.

by swapna Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:21 pm

[size=47]here's my favourite post in the thread I had linked at e.j.m.r.:

"2>>>>>>>>3=4>>>5>>>1[/size]

This for me as well. I've dreamt of economics since I was in middle school, and looking back my thought process and interests were fundamentally economic for far longer than that. I breathe economics: my job is simply a convenient way to cover my expenses while I indulge my own curiosity.
If I wasn't an academic, I'd probably still write/publish as my main hobby anyways.
(HRM "reg monkey" AP)"

the factor 2 that s/he refers to at the top is passion.

by swapna Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:33 pm

Seva Lamberdar wrote:
swapna wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:you seem to be basing too much of your life on your daughter's occupation. god knows what's tehe idea behind it, but doesn't seem right for your mental health.
it's an interest, somewhat strong now, which will abate as time passes, but not my life.

it has been quite a journey: ten years of after-school education, three degrees, two year-long research jobs, half a dozen relevant internships, starting in 11th grade, and a fellowship at a federal reserve bank, all of which enhanced her drive towards her objective.

plus fly-outs to, and presentations at half a dozen universities around the u.s., and the world bank, and interviews and quotations by the media, with more coming up.

she knew exactly what she was doing, declining high-paying jobs along the way, to gain the independence and intellectual environment she wanted. not all was perfect or ideal, but she made excellent, intelligent choices.

from her high-school days, we have not insisted on her taking any specific facultypath, but only remained available. nearly all the credit goes to her.

I am fully engaged in my work, and cheerfully so.

btw, last week, we drove several hundred miles, over two days, mostly for the fun of it, from chicago to her new campus in the northeast.
Congratulations to you and your daughter. You again prove the point that parents need to take an active interest in their kids' education on the path to promising careers.

thank you, seva.

by Guest Tue Aug 11, 2015 6:39 pm

swapna wrote:
Kinnera wrote:Hasn't she majored in Physics in undergrad? Why did she make the shift to Economics? A Phd in Physics would've been cool. Not many dare to tread that path. Econ is a bleh!
she graduated from yale in four years with a b.s. in physics and a b.a. in economics. both were mathematics-heavy.

she would have preferred to major in mathematics than in physics, but she wanted both, and the physics department allowed her to take more math courses than the math department allowed her to take physics courses. hence, the physics major.

both her dissertation committee co-chairmen at chicago, who were well-known economists, had bachelor's degrees in mathematics.

Such a high achieving and intelligent girl should've done something better than a PhD in Economics and from a University which is better than University of Chicago. Isn't it where Wendy Doniger works, churning out her crappy pieces of sh*t and molding wackos who have no in depth knowledge of what they are working on? That says a lot about the school.

Your daughter is a gem for sure. But she is so wasted, methinks. That's a disappointment to someone who's been hearing abt all her achievements and abilities for years. Sad

Edit: That said, my hearty wishes to her. May she be satisfied in whatever she does and rise to the pinnacle of success. All the very best to her.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:06 pm

not going to comment about anything else on this thread because it involves discussing a person who is not here to speak on her/his behalf and that is inherently unfair. however, i wanted to just say that uchicago is a fantastic school, much better than the ivies in some disciplines and comparable to them in others.

wendy doniger is definitely an idiot. however, uchicago was also the academic home of subrahmanyan chandrasekhar until he passed away. so also enrico fermi. both gentlemen were people i read about and had a lot of admiration for, and the latter the author of a statistical distribution obeyed by a class of particles named eponymously for him, which is fundamental to many things in my own field. of course he did many other things besides that. uchicago was also the academic home of the great tamil, kannada, and english poet and essayist a.k.ramanujan till he passed away.

by Guest Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:28 pm

ya, univ of chicago is considered to be a great school. Wendy Doniger is also supposed to be a great scholar and a subject matter specialist. Bulls@it! The univ may be good in other departments, but Wendy negates it all. A school that employs and supports such idiots has no credibility.

by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:29 pm

India's current reserve bank chairman is also on leave from UChicago.

by Guest Tue Aug 11, 2015 7:42 pm

Nothing cuts it for me. I expressed my personal opinion and disappontment. You may hold a different opinion. It's futile to discuss this and try to change the opinion of the other. It won't happen. Let's give this a rest.

by pravalika nanda Tue Aug 11, 2015 10:10 pm

Kinnera wrote:
swapna wrote:
Kinnera wrote:Hasn't she majored in Physics in undergrad? Why did she make the shift to Economics? A Phd in Physics would've been cool. Not many dare to tread that path. Econ is a bleh!
she graduated from yale in four years with a b.s. in physics and a b.a. in economics. both were mathematics-heavy.

she would have preferred to major in mathematics than in physics, but she wanted both, and the physics department allowed her to take more math courses than the math department allowed her to take physics courses. hence, the physics major.

both her dissertation committee co-chairmen at chicago, who were well-known economists, had bachelor's degrees in mathematics.
Such a high achieving and intelligent girl should've done something better than a PhD in Economics and from a University which is better than University of Chicago.

** It's the best Univ for Econ in the world. The best kids from Europe and China end up their. And very few American students are selected. I'm not saying they are the brightest or geniuses but they come from academically privileged backgrounds. Takes a lot of planning to get there. A few brilliant wild cards too of course. That and their AI guys are smart too.

Isn't it where Wendy Doniger works, churning out her crappy pieces of sh*t and molding wackos who have no in depth knowledge of what they are working on? That says a lot about the school.

**There are a lot of crazy dumb leftist wackos there. Interestingly they have a department where they teach telugu and some white girl wanted to discuss Tyagaraja with me. I was not interested in encouraging such foolishness, you shouldn't waste 60-80K per year on a hobby.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:11 pm

swapna wrote:

I am fully engaged in my work, and cheerfully so.

btw, last week, we drove several hundred miles, over two days, mostly for the fun of it, from chicago to her new campus in the northeast.

you took TWO days to drive from there to theeeere????

really ?

by Seva Lamberdar Wed Aug 12, 2015 8:19 am

pravalika nanda wrote:
Kinnera wrote:
swapna wrote:
Kinnera wrote:Hasn't she majored in Physics in undergrad? Why did she make the shift to Economics? A Phd in Physics would've been cool. Not many dare to tread that path. Econ is a bleh!
she graduated from yale in four years with a b.s. in physics and a b.a. in economics. both were mathematics-heavy.

she would have preferred to major in mathematics than in physics, but she wanted both, and the physics department allowed her to take more math courses than the math department allowed her to take physics courses. hence, the physics major.

both her dissertation committee co-chairmen at chicago, who were well-known economists, had bachelor's degrees in mathematics.
Such a high achieving and intelligent girl should've done something better than a PhD in Economics and from a University which is better than University of Chicago.

** It's the best Univ for Econ in the world. The best kids from Europe and China end up their. And very few American students are selected. I'm not saying they are the brightest or geniuses but they come from academically privileged backgrounds. Takes a lot of planning to get there. A few brilliant wild cards too of course. That and their AI guys are smart too.

Isn't it where Wendy Doniger works, churning out her crappy pieces of sh*t and molding wackos who have no in depth knowledge of what they are working on? That says a lot about the school.

**There are a lot of crazy dumb leftist wackos there. Interestingly they have a department where they teach telugu and some white girl wanted to discuss Tyagaraja with me. I was not interested in encouraging such foolishness, you shouldn't waste 60-80K per year on a hobby.

How did your meeting with the narthie go?

by swapna Wed Aug 12, 2015 9:42 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
swapna wrote:

I am fully engaged in my work, and cheerfully so.

btw, last week, we drove several hundred miles, over two days, mostly for the fun of it, from chicago to her new campus in the northeast.

you took TWO days to drive from there to theeeere????

really ?

see the blue text above.

I had taken a few days off, and she had plenty of time - zero teaching load this summer, and in the fall semester - so we did some easy driving, breaking the journey in the middle, in a largish city. used an airbnb place, a 2br apartment. my first experience of airbnb. it was quite a favourable one.

spent two days in her new city, helped her set up in the apartment, met her neighbour - a writer and his wife - walked around her campus - huge, wooded with streams, beautiful.

earlier, in chicago, met her advisor, a nobel laureate - by accident, met her apartment-mate, a new assistant professor (ap) of psychology, and also her long-time tennis partner who will soon start as an ap at uc-berkeley.

she has nice friends, and, if all goes as anticipated, should have an enjoyable, interesting, intellectual life at her new university.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 10:32 am

at 27-28 we had a kid and a house, all the while XH's dad complaining how we don't even seek his opinion...

let's see how we fare with our kids at that age... as of now I plan to retire with enough money to be on cruises 8/12 months of the year. otoh older wants to have babies early and me to raise them. let's see how it goes...

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:01 am

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:at 27-28 we had a kid and a house, all the while XH's dad complaining how we don't even seek his opinion...

let's see how we fare with our kids at that age... as of now I plan to retire with enough money to be on cruises 8/12 months of the year. otoh older wants to have babies early and me to raise them. let's see how it goes...

I always suspected that you hit it big...Who is it ? Which multi-millionaire is it? The only big advantage of having a XH is it opens up the opportunities once more to catch a big fish.... Wink

Looks like your D is going to get married in her 30s...Unless she has someone already in mind and planning to get married soon after graduation. A lot of high schoolers get married soon after high school graduation.

by Guest Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:33 am

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:
Beatrix Kiddo wrote:at 27-28 we had a kid and a house, all the while XH's dad complaining how we don't even seek his opinion...

let's see how we fare with our kids at that age... as of now I plan to retire with enough money to be on cruises 8/12 months of the year. otoh older wants to have babies early and me to raise them. let's see how it goes...

I always suspected that you hit it big...Who is it ? Which multi-millionaire is it? The only big advantage of having a XH is it opens up the opportunities once more to catch a big fish....

Looks like your D is going to get married in her 30s...Unless she has someone already in mind and planning to get married soon after graduation. A lot of high schoolers get married soon after high school graduation.

lol... the bigger question is, why would a multi-millionaire go for a 42-year-old fat desi aunty with a bad medical family history, when he can easily get any 24-year-old healthy trophy; and if he does, I will be mighty suspicious of him. so ya, not happening. based on so many oldies that i see on cruise ships, i was hoping regular middle class people can save/invest wisely to enjoy retired life. quite obviously, i am clueless.

ya i think too that D will marry in her 30s, rather that's what i think everyone must do, if at all.

by Propagandhi711 Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:45 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:not going to comment about anything else on this thread because it involves discussing a person who is not here to speak on her/his behalf and that is inherently unfair. however, i wanted to just say that uchicago is a fantastic school, much better than the ivies in some disciplines and comparable to them in others.

wendy doniger is definitely an idiot. however, uchicago was also the academic home of subrahmanyan chandrasekhar until he passed away. so also enrico fermi. both gentlemen were people i read about and had a lot of admiration for, and the latter the author of a statistical distribution obeyed by a class of particles named eponymously for him, which is fundamental to many things in my own field. of course he did many other things besides that. uchicago was also the academic home of the great tamil, kannada, and english poet and essayist a.k.ramanujan till he passed away.

much better than yale, duke, haavard etc thats for sure. i think ucb, stanford, u of c & mit are more relevant ivies of the 21st century.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Wed Aug 12, 2015 3:38 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:not going to comment about anything else on this thread because it involves discussing a person who is not here to speak on her/his behalf and that is inherently unfair. however, i wanted to just say that uchicago is a fantastic school, much better than the ivies in some disciplines and comparable to them in others.

wendy doniger is definitely an idiot. however, uchicago was also the academic home of subrahmanyan chandrasekhar until he passed away. so also enrico fermi. both gentlemen were people i read about and had a lot of admiration for, and the latter the author of a statistical distribution obeyed by a class of particles named eponymously for him, which is fundamental to many things in my own field. of course he did many other things besides that. uchicago was also the academic home of the great tamil, kannada, and english poet and essayist a.k.ramanujan till he passed away.

much better than yale, duke, haavard etc thats for sure. i think ucb, stanford, u of c & mit are more relevant ivies of the 21st century.

Princeton, UPenn, Cornell, Columbia, Yale, harvard, ~~Brown, Dartmouth~~ are great Ivy League schools depending on the Field. Each is ranked high only in 2 or 3 fields. They are just so-so in all other fields.

The only brownie point one gets for the 60K/year expense is that your ward goes to IVY to non-IVY parents.

by swapna Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:03 pm

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:The only brownie point one gets for the 60K/year expense is that your ward goes to IVY to non-IVY parents.

by swapna Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:06 pm

Beatrix Kiddo wrote:at 27-28 we had a kid and a house, all the while XH's dad complaining how we don't even seek his opinion...

let's see how we fare with our kids at that age... as of now I plan to retire with enough money to be on cruises 8/12 months of the year. otoh older wants to have babies early and me to raise them. let's see how it goes...

thank you for that interesting info; it makes me proud of myself.

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