kinnera wrote:Everything. Nature, nurture, being at the right time at the right place, luck/fate, etc.

harharmahadev wrote:

kinnera wrote:Everything. Nature, nurture, being at the right time at the right place, luck/fate, etc.

...like it was meant to be.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:This is interesting: Steve who was brought up by uneducated adoptive parents, and who himself never had a degree became a successful, if not a brilliant man.

Compare him with his biological sister - famous Novelist and a professor - who was brought up by her educated mother all along. Both had highly educated biological parents and who are/were also thought to be smart.

So the debate is: Did Steve jobs turned out this way bcz of his biological parents or his adoptive parents, who were street smart.

Steve Jobs thought his traits were mostly bcz of Nurturing until a few years ago, when he changed his views to genes and nature.

Isn't there a saying "You are what you are and everything is fixed at birth (just that we don't realize it at that time)."

Tracy Whitney wrote:Is street-smartness an inherited trait or a learned trait? The answer to this will also answer your question I guess.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:This is interesting: Steve who was brought up by uneducated adoptive parents, and who himself never had a degree became a successful, if not a brilliant man.

Compare him with his biological sister - famous Novelist and a professor - who was brought up by her educated mother all along. Both had highly educated biological parents and who are/were also thought to be smart.

So the debate is: Did Steve jobs turned out this way bcz of his biological parents or his adoptive parents, who were street smart.

Steve Jobs thought his traits were mostly bcz of Nurturing until a few years ago, when he changed his views to genes and nature.

Isn't there a saying "You are what you are and everything is fixed at birth (just that we don't realize it at that time)."

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:
consider this: ceteris paribus, steve jobs may have been even more successful and brilliant, had he been raised by his educated, biological parents, rather than by his adoptive parents.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:
consider this: ceteris paribus, steve jobs may have been even more successful and brilliant, had he been raised by his educated, biological parents, rather than by his adoptive parents.

harharmahadev wrote:

kinnera wrote:Everything. Nature, nurture, being at the right time at the right place, luck/fate, etc.

...like it was meant to be.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:This is interesting: Steve who was brought up by uneducated adoptive parents, and who himself never had a degree became a successful, if not a brilliant man.

Compare him with his biological sister - famous Novelist and a professor - who was brought up by her educated mother all along. Both had highly educated biological parents and who are/were also thought to be smart.

So the debate is: Did Steve jobs turned out this way bcz of his biological parents or his adoptive parents, who were street smart.

Steve Jobs thought his traits were mostly bcz of Nurturing until a few years ago, when he changed his views to genes and nature.

Isn't there a saying "You are what you are and everything is fixed at birth (just that we don't realize it at that time)."

Kris wrote:

>>>> Intelligence is inherited (grrr..!. The nurture aspect comes in when you consider how it is channeled. He probably would have been successful if he had been raised by his biological parents, only it may beer in some other field.

artood2 wrote:all the theories work for moderate levels of "success". All these insanely successful folks are outliers in their own way.



And everything is pre-determined at birth. Stars/moons/rekhas whatever.

artood2 wrote:all the theories work for moderate levels of "success". All these insanely successful folks are outliers in their own way.



And everything is pre-determined at birth. Stars/moons/rekhas whatever.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

artood2 wrote:all the theories work for moderate levels of "success". All these insanely successful folks are outliers in their own way.



And everything is pre-determined at birth. Stars/moons/rekhas whatever.

Genes, lineage, ????

These are not superstitions anymore - more and more these have medical, scientific, and biological evidence. Even depression. anxeity, and other "mental" illnesses have strong genetic and parental linkages. Ironically, even Steve Jobs - who until recent years thot the env made him who he was - changed his views attributing nature to who he was.
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Please note that I don't and I NEVER associate "degrees" (alone) to intelligence or smartness. I agree with flimmy, he could have done much better with his educated biological parents. OTOH, he could have ended up with a PhD and a professorship at some university, leaving us all to MP3 players or Walkmans.

nutmeg wrote:

Kris wrote:

>>>> Intelligence is inherited (grrr..!. The nurture aspect comes in when you consider how it is channeled. He probably would have been successful if he had been raised by his biological parents, only it may beer in some other field.