While the Hindiwalas continue to rant...

by Merlot Daruwala Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:58 pm

The common man is voting with his feet...

Big shift from Hindi to English in Delhi schools
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Big-shift-from-Hindi-to-English-in-Delhi-schools/articleshow/49265206.cms via @timesofindia

by Guest Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:30 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:The common man is voting with his feet...

Big shift from Hindi to English in Delhi schools
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Big-shift-from-Hindi-to-English-in-Delhi-schools/articleshow/49265206.cms via @timesofindia

Merlot this is to be welcomed. Why should Hindiwalahs have a problem with this. All schools should gradually transition into english medium schools.

the problem is that the vast majority of Indians, particularly in rural areas, are unable to communicate in english. So we need a link language for one Indian to communicate with another. Hindustani, as of today, is the optimal link language for this purpose. A time will come, in the not too distant future, when the link language will become english. But as of today english cannot function as the link language because of the reason i have given.

by Guest Wed Oct 07, 2015 8:45 pm

Merlot please read this article and watch the video embedded in it.

http://www.ndtv.com/south/we-want-hindi-in-tamil-nadu-new-demand-speaks-language-of-change-578550

by Kris Wed Oct 07, 2015 11:51 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:The common man is voting with his feet...

Big shift from Hindi to English in Delhi schools
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Big-shift-from-Hindi-to-English-in-Delhi-schools/articleshow/49265206.cms via @timesofindia

Merlot this is to be welcomed. Why should Hindiwalahs have a problem with this. All schools should gradually transition into english medium schools.

the problem is that the vast majority of Indians, particularly in rural areas, are unable to communicate in english. So we need a link language for one Indian to communicate with another. Hindustani, as of today, is the optimal link language for this purpose. A time will come, in the not too distant future, when the link language will become english. But as of today english cannot function as the link language because of the reason i have given.

>>>The link language point is a valid one. Ideally, a three-language formula could make sense, provided the third language (Hindi) is optional. It is then up to the student if he opts in/out. If it is made mandatory, it will become a source of polarization, even more so than it already is. Even more importantly, there is a lot of emotion invested in this Hindi education among its proponents, that will result in sidelining English. That is going in the wrong direction in the context of globalization.

by Guest Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:17 am

Kris wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:The common man is voting with his feet...

Big shift from Hindi to English in Delhi schools
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Big-shift-from-Hindi-to-English-in-Delhi-schools/articleshow/49265206.cms via @timesofindia

Merlot this is to be welcomed. Why should Hindiwalahs have a problem with this. All schools should gradually transition into english medium schools.

the problem is that the vast majority of Indians, particularly in rural areas, are unable to communicate in english. So we need a link language for one Indian to communicate with another. Hindustani, as of today, is the optimal link language for this purpose. A time will come, in the not too distant future, when the link language will become english. But as of today english cannot function as the link language because of the reason i have given.
>>>The link language point is a valid one. Ideally, a three-language formula could make sense, provided the third language (Hindi) is optional. It is then up to the student if he opts in/out. If it is made mandatory, it will become a source of polarization, even more so than it already is. Even more importantly, there is a lot of emotion invested in this Hindi education among its proponents, that will result in sidelining English. That is going in the wrong direction in the context of globalization.

i agree with both your points. With respect to your second point, one way to recognize a Hindi fanatic is if he will insist on using esoteric words of sanskrit origin instead of commonly used words of persian origin in his written or spoken hindi.

Visitors from north India’s Hindi belt are often puzzled by the contradictory signals they get about Hindi in south India. On the one hand, they feel that every one understands them in the street--rikshawalas, shopkeepers, bus conductors and so on. Some of these visitors, like the Ugly American, patronizingly approve that the natives are speaking a tolerably understandable Hindi!

On the other hand, they find strong anti-Hindi feelings among the middle-class educated people. They conclude that actually Hindi is understood and ‘accepted’ by the common man in the south but it is being opposed by the ‘vested‘ interests who want to keep English alive for a better edge in the job market. So English, and for the leftists among them ‘imperialism’, is the enemy and they try the ‘Angrezi Hatao’ movement. Of course none of these ‘movements’ make a dent in the non-Hindi regions.

The problem with these people is that they think that Hindi is ‘their’ language, which is inherently so good that the rest of India has accepted it as the national language. They endlessly quote Rajgopalachari or Acharya Suniti Kumar Chattopadhyay for this purpose. In fact they are again puzzled that these stalwarts of Hindi later denounced Hindi chauvinism.

They fail to understand that the ‘Hindi’ that they hear in the South is actually Dakhni and that it has a much older literary history and in fact was the source of inspiration for modern Hindi to emerge as a literary language. The ‘lingua franca’ of India is not ‘their’ Hindi but the street Hindi that evolved from Dakhni and reached the Indian masses, through the Parsi theatre and the Bombay film industry. It is ‘their’ highly Sanskritized Hindi that is opposed all over the non-Hindi region. In fact, Acharya Suniti Kumar Chattopadhyay, in his article ‘Bharater Rashtra Bhasha Chalti Hindi’ even proposed Bombay Hindi as a national language whose ‘grammar can be written on a post card’!

http://www.bangalorenotes.com/dakhni.htm

by Kris Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:34 am

Rashmun wrote:
Kris wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:The common man is voting with his feet...

Big shift from Hindi to English in Delhi schools
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Big-shift-from-Hindi-to-English-in-Delhi-schools/articleshow/49265206.cms via @timesofindia

Merlot this is to be welcomed. Why should Hindiwalahs have a problem with this. All schools should gradually transition into english medium schools.

the problem is that the vast majority of Indians, particularly in rural areas, are unable to communicate in english. So we need a link language for one Indian to communicate with another. Hindustani, as of today, is the optimal link language for this purpose. A time will come, in the not too distant future, when the link language will become english. But as of today english cannot function as the link language because of the reason i have given.
>>>The link language point is a valid one. Ideally, a three-language formula could make sense, provided the third language (Hindi) is optional. It is then up to the student if he opts in/out. If it is made mandatory, it will become a source of polarization, even more so than it already is. Even more importantly, there is a lot of emotion invested in this Hindi education among its proponents, that will result in sidelining English. That is going in the wrong direction in the context of globalization.

i agree with both your points. With respect to your second point, one way to recognize a Hindi fanatic is if he will insist on using esoteric words of sanskrit origin instead of commonly used words of persian origin in his written or spoken hindi.

>>>Oh, I meant fanatic in the sense of the 'hindi over english' types, not of the language purist variety, although there could be an overlap there too. In the whole language issue, my biggest concern is the country will end up reversing course in an area that could hurt it in global commerce. There was a debate someone had posted here recently where the woman refused to speak in English in a debate. That mindset springs from a post colonial paranoia and the politics being what it is, will be a big setback.

by Guest Thu Oct 08, 2015 12:41 am

Kris wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Kris wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:The common man is voting with his feet...

Big shift from Hindi to English in Delhi schools
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Big-shift-from-Hindi-to-English-in-Delhi-schools/articleshow/49265206.cms via @timesofindia

Merlot this is to be welcomed. Why should Hindiwalahs have a problem with this. All schools should gradually transition into english medium schools.

the problem is that the vast majority of Indians, particularly in rural areas, are unable to communicate in english. So we need a link language for one Indian to communicate with another. Hindustani, as of today, is the optimal link language for this purpose. A time will come, in the not too distant future, when the link language will become english. But as of today english cannot function as the link language because of the reason i have given.
>>>The link language point is a valid one. Ideally, a three-language formula could make sense, provided the third language (Hindi) is optional. It is then up to the student if he opts in/out. If it is made mandatory, it will become a source of polarization, even more so than it already is. Even more importantly, there is a lot of emotion invested in this Hindi education among its proponents, that will result in sidelining English. That is going in the wrong direction in the context of globalization.

i agree with both your points. With respect to your second point, one way to recognize a Hindi fanatic is if he will insist on using esoteric words of sanskrit origin instead of commonly used words of persian origin in his written or spoken hindi.
>>>Oh, I meant fanatic in the sense of the 'hindi over english' types, not of the language purist variety, although there could be an overlap there too. In the whole language issue, my biggest concern is the country will end up reversing course in an area that could hurt it in global commerce. There was a debate someone had posted here recently where the woman refused to speak in English in a debate. That mindset springs from a post colonial paranoia and the politics being what it is, will be a big setback.

your debate example represents very silly behavior on the part of the woman; i have never heard of this before and although it could have occurred this is surely a very rare phenomenon. The fact is that north indians are clamoring to learn english in large numbers because of better job opportunities. To illustrate this point one may see http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2015-09-20/news/66731032_1_english-classes-allahabad-university-mother-tongue

In a few hundred years both hindi and tamil may well become extinct. and we will be left with english (which may have absorbed more hindi and tamil words and words of other languages within it by then).

by confuzzled dude Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:23 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:The common man is voting with his feet...

Big shift from Hindi to English in Delhi schools
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Big-shift-from-Hindi-to-English-in-Delhi-schools/articleshow/49265206.cms via @timesofindia

Damn Italian Mata, Pappu, Madam Mohan have ruined it completely, now it falls on the broad shoulders of Modiji to fix the mess created 60+ years ruling of conmen.

by confuzzled dude Thu Oct 08, 2015 1:30 am

Rashmun wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:The common man is voting with his feet...

Big shift from Hindi to English in Delhi schools
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Big-shift-from-Hindi-to-English-in-Delhi-schools/articleshow/49265206.cms via @timesofindia

Merlot this is to be welcomed. Why should Hindiwalahs have a problem with this. All schools should gradually transition into english medium schools.

the problem is that the vast majority of Indians, particularly in rural areas, are unable to communicate in english. So we need a link language for one Indian to communicate with another. Hindustani, as of today, is the optimal link language for this purpose. A time will come, in the not too distant future, when the link language will become english. But as of today english cannot function as the link language because of the reason i have given.

South and other parts of India have been doing absolutely fine (better than those Hindi speaking regions) for nearly 70 years, so what's the need for Hindi, the so called link language, now, in the age of information.

by Guest Thu Oct 08, 2015 6:35 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:The common man is voting with his feet...

Big shift from Hindi to English in Delhi schools
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/education/news/Big-shift-from-Hindi-to-English-in-Delhi-schools/articleshow/49265206.cms via @timesofindia

Merlot this is to be welcomed. Why should Hindiwalahs have a problem with this. All schools should gradually transition into english medium schools.

the problem is that the vast majority of Indians, particularly in rural areas, are unable to communicate in english. So we need a link language for one Indian to communicate with another. Hindustani, as of today, is the optimal link language for this purpose. A time will come, in the not too distant future, when the link language will become english. But as of today english cannot function as the link language because of the reason i have given.
South and other parts of India have been doing absolutely fine (better than those Hindi speaking regions) for nearly 70 years, so what's the need for Hindi, the so called link language, now, in the age of information.

Please read this article: http://www.bangalorenotes.com/dakhni.htm

thank you.

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