Modiji fulfilled a dream of Manmohan Singh

by confuzzled dude Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:40 pm

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/modiji-fulfilled-dream-of-manmohan-singh-but-in-reverse-order-twitterati-react-to-pms-lahore-visit_1838481.html

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Dec 25, 2015 11:50 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:

http://zeenews.india.com/news/india/modiji-fulfilled-dream-of-manmohan-singh-but-in-reverse-order-twitterati-react-to-pms-lahore-visit_1838481.html

Hahaha....the first twitter comment is by "ConfuzedSperm"

Is that you?

by southindian Sat Dec 26, 2015 6:02 am

Thr confuzed folks don't know how to react after this Modi visit to Pakistan... Smile

Obvoously confuzef.

by Merlot Daruwala Sat Dec 26, 2015 7:12 am

southindian wrote:Thr confuzed folks don't know how to react after this Modi visit to Pakistan...

Obvoously confuzef.

Avivek, it is NaMo who's confused. He keeps making amorous advances at Sharif and when the Paki army / ISI does its thing at the borders, he withdraws and sulks. Seems to have learned no lesson from Vajpayee's experiences.

by southindian Sat Dec 26, 2015 8:53 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
southindian wrote:Thr confuzed folks don't know how to react after this Modi visit to Pakistan...

Obvoously confuzef.
Avivek, it is NaMo who's confused. He keeps making amorous advances at Sharif and when the Paki army / ISI does its thing at the borders, he withdraws and sulks. Seems to have learned no lesson from Vajpayee's experiences.

Kerela Loin, Oh Yeah.

Gestures in 2015 are mere photo ops and going by comments made by morons like you on Modi selfies these are mostly photo op oppurtunities.

Modi knows this too and he made a perfect photo op on Paki expense and earned brownie points as well. Where else could he get free stopover at a restaurant, free food, people running around him, press drooling and world leaders complimenting him. Believe me, the next time Indian Army responds Paki insurgency with 3 times force the world won't even notice it.

Idiot, Modi must be laughing at his home now, thinking, "Oh boy, the food was good".

by Hellsangel Sat Dec 26, 2015 12:14 pm

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-nawaz-sharif-india-pakistan.html

by confuzzled dude Sat Dec 26, 2015 1:52 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
southindian wrote:Thr confuzed folks don't know how to react after this Modi visit to Pakistan...

Obvoously confuzef.
Avivek, it is NaMo who's confused. He keeps making amorous advances at Sharif and when the Paki army / ISI does its thing at the borders, he withdraws and sulks. Seems to have learned no lesson from Vajpayee's experiences.

Modiji's diplomacy towards Pakistan is similar to that of sulking saas's who blows cold and hot; madness without method.

by Merlot Daruwala Sat Dec 26, 2015 9:12 pm

Hellsangel wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-nawaz-sharif-india-pakistan.html

Typical of Western commentary to talk about Vajpayee's historic visit but staying mum on the historic betrayal. Apparently, India should keep talking peace no matter what the cost, while the US can bomb and invade countries over imaginary offences.

by Hellsangel Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:02 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-nawaz-sharif-india-pakistan.html

Typical of Western commentary to talk about Vajpayee's historic visit but staying mum on the historic betrayal. Apparently, India should keep talking peace no matter what the cost, while the US can bomb and invade countries over imaginary offences.

Which betrayal?

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Dec 27, 2015 12:10 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-nawaz-sharif-india-pakistan.html

Typical of Western commentary to talk about Vajpayee's historic visit but staying mum on the historic betrayal. Apparently, India should keep talking peace no matter what the cost, while the US can bomb and invade countries over imaginary offences.
Which betrayal?

The occupation of Kargil by Pak army even before the ink on the Lahore treaty was dry.

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:42 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-nawaz-sharif-india-pakistan.html

Typical of Western commentary to talk about Vajpayee's historic visit but staying mum on the historic betrayal. Apparently, India should keep talking peace no matter what the cost, while the US can bomb and invade countries over imaginary offences.
Which betrayal?

recommended Google search: kargil war

by Hellsangel Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:55 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-nawaz-sharif-india-pakistan.html

Typical of Western commentary to talk about Vajpayee's historic visit but staying mum on the historic betrayal. Apparently, India should keep talking peace no matter what the cost, while the US can bomb and invade countries over imaginary offences.
Which betrayal?

recommended Google search: kargil war

Ah! The Kargil conflict riles you up, Il Professore?

by MaxEntropy_Man Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:43 pm

i noticed MD has already mentioned it. didn't scroll through before i posted my response.

by garam_kuta Sun Dec 27, 2015 11:16 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-nawaz-sharif-india-pakistan.html

Typical of Western commentary to talk about Vajpayee's historic visit but staying mum on the historic betrayal. Apparently, India should keep talking peace no matter what the cost, while the US can bomb and invade countries over imaginary offences.
Which betrayal?

recommended Google search: kargil war
Ah! The Kargil conflict riles you up, Il Professore?

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote: Are you trying to prove how prejudiced and biased you are?!
HTH, Comrade.
http://www.thepunctuationguide.com/exclamation-point.html

I realize that you come up with this kind of nonsense when you've no answer to my question. In any case, let's put an end to this nonsense, Wokay?

http://writingnorthidaho.blogspot.com/2013/08/may-you-use-or-in-writing.html
Carry on with your exclamations, Comrade....
Keep burying your head HA. I never retort without provocation.

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:07 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-nawaz-sharif-india-pakistan.html

Typical of Western commentary to talk about Vajpayee's historic visit but staying mum on the historic betrayal. Apparently, India should keep talking peace no matter what the cost, while the US can bomb and invade countries over imaginary offences.

By sheer coincidence, today's Mint editorial makes a similar point:

The Mint Editorial wrote:The peace-with-Pakistan lobby, which advocates a process of “uninterrupted and uninterruptible dialogue”,.... prefers dialogue at all levels and engagement at all costs....By prioritizing dialogue over outcomes, it tends to celebrate the process irrespective of whether objectives are being met or not.

It also tends to overvalue the importance of symbolism. Vajpayee’s bus journey to Lahore or his visit to Minar-e-Pakistan; the prospect of Singh visiting Nankana Sahib, the birthplace of Guru Nanak; Modi touching the feet of Sharif’s mother—while all of these have important symbolic value, they cannot possibly bridge the institutional trust deficit between the two countries.

The peace lobby places excessive reliance on individual leaders and their inclination to mend relations. While individual initiatives on the part of leaders of both India and Pakistan have definitely generated hope for better relations, none have survived the assaults from structural impediments.

One such structural impediment is terrorism—hosted, nurtured and deployed by the Pakistani army against its adversaries. India, the raison d’être of the Pakistani army’s lavish finances and unquestioned domestic supremacy, will retain the top adversarial slot despite diplomatic innovations from a few civilian leaders

Some supporters are contending that Modi’s diplomatic engagement will not stop him from responding adequately to terrorism. Well, the application of this principle may prove trickier. Modi faces two big challenges. One, a terror strike in India emanating from Pakistan is, at any time of the year, barely a scratch away. Two, the lines between the people who Modi and his team will engage diplomatically and those who sponsor strikes on Indian soil are almost always blurred and often non-existent.

Why then do almost all governments fall for this strategy? Because any calibrated and measured alternative to “Aman ki Asha” is reflexively branded as war-mongering.

But the more substantive answer lies in the failure of Modi’s own experiments before he settled for the peace process. He had initially laid two red lines for engaging constructively with Pakistan: a) no meddling by the Hurriyat, a Kashmir-based separatist organization, and b) talks on terror should clearly precede all other outstanding issues including Kashmir...Complying with New Delhi’s red lines was politically costly for Islamabad. India could have made it the more attractive option by increasing the cost of non-compliance, but, as is its wont, did not show the requisite will.

So, the Modi-led government is back to the zero-cost process of dialogue, at least till the structural impediments strike back.

by southindian Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:53 am

By sheer coincidence, a thousand more people are saying the same thing. All of them Smile

Modi is more shrewd than anyone credits him. He may have planned this with his team before going to Afghanistan. He didn't let go the perfect Brownie point moment.

He did not have to detour to go to Pakistan. Paki land was on his way back home.
He siezed the opportunity to gate crash Sharif's birthday. What an excuse.
I don't think Modi had any agenda. He grabbed a perfect photo op moment to work for his advantage.
Free food, stay and Sharif's ammi respect were bonus.
People, meet the politician with a camera. Smile

Nothing changes on the ground. If Pakis shell at Border, the Indian Army will respond with more force, but then the world will blame the Pakis.

If I understand the BJP strategy correctly, they will not do anything to upset Muslim appeasers in India in relation to Pakistan. That will keep the Resident Non-Indians (RNI) quiet. But they will play the Paki game against the Pakis. I suspect that Pakis too know this very well. Smile

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:48 am

Wow..so incredibly shrewd of you, Avivek, to see through the incredibly shrewd strategy of that clever old fox!! The Pakis are so boxed in now, they have no option but to reel in their proxies and play nice after this. Master stroke indeed. The 31st century is ours!!

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:52 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Wow..so incredibly shrewd of you, Avivek, to see through the incredibly shrewd strategy of that clever old fox!! The Pakis are so boxed in now, they have no option but to reel in their proxies and play nice after this. Master stroke indeed. The 31st century is ours!!

Wrong!

Soonya, Kraziwallah, Laloo, et al., are the smart ones in this world. They are able to fool a lot of extremely brilliant Sikular scholars including some here on SuCh.

by southindian Mon Dec 28, 2015 12:55 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Wow..so incredibly shrewd of you, Avivek, to see through the incredibly shrewd strategy of that clever old fox!! The Pakis are so boxed in now, they have no option but to reel in their proxies and play nice after this. Master stroke indeed. The 31st century is ours!!

Hah!

Kerala Loin, Please go change it. You smell bad... and look upset too. I mentioned you too in my post when I wrote Resident Non-Indians (RNI).

Pakis don't have to play nice and they won't. Remember... they are Pakis. Just like you are a Kerala Loin.

I'm merely supporting the non-BJP logic, that BJP is a Hindu party (and are opposed to Pakistanis). So BJP (Modi) will play nice to Pakis and still have hidden agenda against them. Right? I think Modi does have the agenda. Play nice to them and be shrewd with Pakis. He did the first part right by stopping in Pakistan in his return trip.

Being a political party, why would BJP want to lose its Hindu base? So they have to be shrewd. Smile

Wouldn't that be harakari by PM Modi if they don't? If BJP (Modi) do that then what's there for you and couple others to oppose them?

Don't bother. It's not easy to understand for RNIs anyways.

by Hellsangel Mon Dec 28, 2015 7:50 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-nawaz-sharif-india-pakistan.html

Typical of *Libby* Western commentary to talk about Vajpayee's historic visit but staying mum on the historic betrayal. Apparently, India should keep talking peace no matter what the cost, while the US can bomb and invade countries over imaginary offences.

*Fixed*

by Hellsangel Mon Dec 28, 2015 8:02 pm

On the other hand:

http://m.jpost.com/Opinion/Israel-and-India-423750#article=6022N0UxMEYwNjAwQzIzQjU4RTMwNTM0QzM3MkY4NTI1RjQ= wrote:Even the Palestinians have consistently and overwhelmingly favored Pakistan over India. In contrast, Israel has supported India’s position vis-à-vis Kashmir, offering it critical counter-terror know-how and technologies at least since the 1999 Kargil War.

Also, India has undergone significant political and social changes in recent decades, reflected by the rise to power of Modi’s Bharatiya Janata Party. Hindutva, the ideology of Hindu-ness, has reached the apex of its influence inside India. If India’s leftists viewed Israel as a “neo-imperialist proxy of America,” BJP supporters – and Hindus in general – tend to see Israel as a plucky democracy with a strong, non-Muslim religious identity standing up to nihilistic Islamist terrorists – not unlike the Indians themselves.

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:41 pm

southindian wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:Wow..so incredibly shrewd of you, Avivek, to see through the incredibly shrewd strategy of that clever old fox!! The Pakis are so boxed in now, they have no option but to reel in their proxies and play nice after this. Master stroke indeed. The 31st century is ours!!
Hah!

Kerala Loin, Please go change it. You smell bad... and look upset too. I mentioned you too in my post when I wrote Resident Non-Indians (RNI).

Pakis don't have to play nice and they won't. Remember... they are Pakis. Just like you are a Kerala Loin.

I'm merely supporting the non-BJP logic, that BJP is a Hindu party (and are opposed to Pakistanis). So BJP (Modi) will play nice to Pakis and still have hidden agenda against them. Right? I think Modi does have the agenda. Play nice to them and be shrewd with Pakis. He did the first part right by stopping in Pakistan in his return trip.

Being a political party, why would BJP want to lose its Hindu base? So they have to be shrewd. Wouldn't that be harakari by PM Modi if they don't? If BJP (Modi) do that then what's there for you and couple others to oppose them?

Don't bother. It's not easy to understand for RNIs anyways.

In summary, because they are a political party that wouldn't want to lose its base, everything they do must be very shrewd. Like Vajpayee going in a bus to Lahore and hugging Sharif and reciting poetry, Advani praising Jinnah and now NaMo landing in Lahore on an unplanned visit and hugging Sharif again - are all undoubtedly sterling displays of the BJP's shrewdness in dealing with the Pakis.

Now that you have educated us about the PM's shrewdness and the breath-taking cleverness of his strategy, I feel so much reassured. I bet this will go a long way in eliminating cross border terrorism. Thank you Avivek.

by Merlot Daruwala Mon Dec 28, 2015 11:43 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/26/world/asia/narendra-modi-nawaz-sharif-india-pakistan.html

Typical of *Libby* Western commentary to talk about Vajpayee's historic visit but staying mum on the historic betrayal. Apparently, India should keep talking peace no matter what the cost, while the US can bomb and invade countries over imaginary offences.
*Fixed*

Hardly. The talks-at-all-costs agenda has been forced on us by GoP as well as Dem administrations. By Conservative as well as Labor governments. There is complete and consistent bipartisanship in Western hypocrisy vis-a-vis India.

by southindian Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:36 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
southindian wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:Wow..so incredibly shrewd of you, Avivek, to see through the incredibly shrewd strategy of that clever old fox!! The Pakis are so boxed in now, they have no option but to reel in their proxies and play nice after this. Master stroke indeed. The 31st century is ours!!
Hah!

Kerala Loin, Please go change it. You smell bad... and look upset too. I mentioned you too in my post when I wrote Resident Non-Indians (RNI).

Pakis don't have to play nice and they won't. Remember... they are Pakis. Just like you are a Kerala Loin.

I'm merely supporting the non-BJP logic, that BJP is a Hindu party (and are opposed to Pakistanis). So BJP (Modi) will play nice to Pakis and still have hidden agenda against them. Right? I think Modi does have the agenda. Play nice to them and be shrewd with Pakis. He did the first part right by stopping in Pakistan in his return trip.

Being a political party, why would BJP want to lose its Hindu base? So they have to be shrewd. Wouldn't that be harakari by PM Modi if they don't? If BJP (Modi) do that then what's there for you and couple others to oppose them?

Don't bother. It's not easy to understand for RNIs anyways.

In summary, because they are a political party that wouldn't want to lose its base, everything they do must be very shrewd. Like Vajpayee going in a bus to Lahore and hugging Sharif and reciting poetry, Advani praising Jinnah and now NaMo landing in Lahore on an unplanned visit and hugging Sharif again - are all undoubtedly sterling displays of the BJP's shrewdness in dealing with the Pakis.

Now that you have educated us about the PM's shrewdness and the breath-taking cleverness of his strategy, I feel so much reassured. I bet this will go a long way in eliminating cross border terrorism. Thank you Avivek.

Kerala Loin, What are you trying to say again?

If you can, explain your point in simple English.

Read slowly and carefully the following. If you can understand.

All Prime Ministers are different. Even within BJP. All Ministers are different. Even within BJP. But the party is same. BJP.

BJP has Hindu base, they wouldn't want to lose. Right? And they wouldn't to upset Muslims either to coalesce and unite against BJP.

Hindus are fragmented as religious body. Muslims are not.
Hindus middle class don't go for the religion carrot. 80% Muslims do.

So who needs to be treated more carefully? Off course Muslims.

For BJP, Pakistan needs to be handled to keep RNIs at bay but handled firmly publicly to have Hindus behind BJP. BJP will do both. Visit to Pakistan from Afghanistan was easy step to handle RNIs, Congress and fringe parties in India. Response at border will make hard-line Hindus happy.

Shrewdness does NOT come from a single act, but through long term agenda. Agenda that may have an act by the PM and others by Ministers and even Hindu thinkers. By extempore visit to Pakistan Modi is displaying he has some agenda. And not just pleasing Pakistan and Sharif's mother as it appears to some.

by Merlot Daruwala Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:15 am

Every time an Indian PM hankering for peace with Pakistan goes and hugs Sharif, innocent Indians die...

Looks like we have more peace when we don't go hankering for talks!

by MaxEntropy_Man Sat Jan 02, 2016 7:29 am

I don't remember PVN doing this my house is your house na, my wife is your wife na thing with the pakis. Every other PM seems to have this bhai-bhai hankering.

by confuzzled dude Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:55 pm

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Every time an Indian PM hankering for peace with Pakistan goes and hugs Sharif, innocent Indians die...

Looks like we have more peace when we don't go hankering for talks!

"enemies of humanity!" bwah! we had high hopes on that 56-inch chest.

by truthbetold Sat Jan 02, 2016 3:32 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:Every time an Indian PM hankering for peace with Pakistan goes and hugs Sharif, innocent Indians die...

Looks like we have more peace when we don't go hankering for talks!
"enemies of humanity!" bwah! we had high hopes on that 56-inch chest.

In the pseudo seculars view, victim is always the perpetrator of rape. Wah! Wah!

by Merlot Daruwala Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:07 pm

truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:Every time an Indian PM hankering for peace with Pakistan goes and hugs Sharif, innocent Indians die...

Looks like we have more peace when we don't go hankering for talks!
"enemies of humanity!" bwah! we had high hopes on that 56-inch chest.

In the pseudo seculars view, victim is always the perpetrator of rape. Wah! Wah!

In chaddis' view, limpwristed MMS-like responses are manly too if they come from their ~~Supreme Leader~~ God. Wah! Wah!

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:13 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:Every time an Indian PM hankering for peace with Pakistan goes and hugs Sharif, innocent Indians die...

Looks like we have more peace when we don't go hankering for talks!

One attack is apparently not sufficient to derail our 'peace' talks. Can NRI Patriots please educate me on how many attacks and how many dead Indians are needed before the hankering for peace talks dies down??

by truthbetold Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:31 am

Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:Every time an Indian PM hankering for peace with Pakistan goes and hugs Sharif, innocent Indians die...

Looks like we have more peace when we don't go hankering for talks!
"enemies of humanity!" bwah! we had high hopes on that 56-inch chest.

In the pseudo seculars view, victim is always the perpetrator of rape. Wah! Wah!

In chaddis' view, limpwristed MMS-like responses are manly too if they come from their ~~Supreme Leader~~ God. Wah! Wah!

Jehadi apologist,

Dialogue must continue with enemy even if it does not produce immediate results. That will eliminate the jehadi option of terror attacks to derail talks. As far as you are concerned, keep gloating.

by Merlot Daruwala Sun Jan 03, 2016 2:32 am

truthbetold wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:
truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Merlot Daruwala wrote:Every time an Indian PM hankering for peace with Pakistan goes and hugs Sharif, innocent Indians die...

Looks like we have more peace when we don't go hankering for talks!
"enemies of humanity!" bwah! we had high hopes on that 56-inch chest.

In the pseudo seculars view, victim is always the perpetrator of rape. Wah! Wah!

In chaddis' view, limpwristed MMS-like responses are manly too if they come from their ~~Supreme Leader~~ God. Wah! Wah!

Jehadi apologist,

Dialogue must continue with enemy even if it does not produce immediate results. That will eliminate the jehadi option of terror attacks to derail talks. As far as
you are concerned, keep gloating.

Paki terror-lover, how many Indians do you want to see dead before you can bring yourself to condemn Paki terrorism?

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