Fadnavis had said at a function in Nagpur: “It makes me wonder where are we heading? Why should I feel ashamed of saying “Bharat Mata ki Jai” in my own country… There is still a dispute over saying ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai’ and those opposed to say it, should not have any right to stay in India. Those living here should say ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai.”

Abdullah, the National Conference President and former Jammu and Kashmir chief minister, tweeted “I look forward to seeing all the members of the PDP-BJP alliance say this as soon as they take their oath tomorrow.”

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:all also have the right to not say 'bharat mata ki jai'.

truthbetold wrote:CD,

are you suggesting muslims must say "bharat mata ki Jai" to remain in India?

I think it is stupid to impose any condition on an Indian to remain an indian.  Muslims came to India starting around 1000 A.D. Most Indian muslims are native indians who changed their religion for whatever their reasons. They belong to that land much before India was a country.  

It is a stupid BJP trick rake this issue to show muslims are somehow less patriotic.  Frankly it doesnot matter whether person is patriotic or not in a civilization like India that existed for thousands of years.  Those people belong there. Period.

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

are you suggesting muslims must say "bharat mata ki Jai" to remain in India?

I think it is stupid to impose any condition on an Indian to remain an indian.  Muslims came to India starting around 1000 A.D. Most Indian muslims are native indians who changed their religion for whatever their reasons. They belong to that land much before India was a country.  

It is a stupid BJP trick rake this issue to show muslims are somehow less patriotic.  Frankly it doesnot matter whether person is patriotic or not in a civilization like India that existed for thousands of years.  Those people belong there. Period.

For once I agreed with the BJP, even then you don't seem to agree with me

confuzzled dude wrote:

Fadnavis had said at a function in Nagpur: “It makes me wonder where are we heading? Why should I feel ashamed of saying “Bharat Mata ki Jai” in my own country… There is still a dispute over saying ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai’ and those opposed to say it, should not have any right to stay in India. Those living here should say ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai.”

Abdullah, the National Conference President and former Jammu and Kashmir chief minister, tweeted “I look forward to seeing all the members of the PDP-BJP alliance say this as soon as they take their oath tomorrow.”

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/omar-abdullah-will-pdp-mlas-say-bharat-mata-ki-jai-after-mondays-swearing-in/

I'll support the BJP if they want to kick Kashmir out of Indian union for PDP members not uttering "‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai"

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Fadnavis had said at a function in Nagpur: “It makes me wonder where are we heading? Why should I feel ashamed of saying “Bharat Mata ki Jai” in my own country… There is still a dispute over saying ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai’ and those opposed to say it, should not have any right to stay in India. Those living here should say ‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai.”

Abdullah, the National Conference President and former Jammu and Kashmir chief minister, tweeted “I look forward to seeing all the members of the PDP-BJP alliance say this as soon as they take their oath tomorrow.”

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/omar-abdullah-will-pdp-mlas-say-bharat-mata-ki-jai-after-mondays-swearing-in/

I'll support the BJP if they want to kick Kashmir out of Indian union for PDP members not uttering "‘Bharat Mata Ki Jai"

How does your logic work  -- why kick Kashmir out of Indian Union if someone under the cover / tag of PDP refuses to utter "Bharat Mata Ki Jai"?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:all also have the right to not say 'bharat mata ki jai'.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:all also have the right to not say 'bharat mata ki jai'.

That's what happens when Govt. allows people the use of religious laws. They start believing that it will offend their religious sensibilities  if they sing the glory or wish the well-being of their country (e.g. "bharat mata ki jai"). 

truthbetold wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:all also have the right to not say 'bharat mata ki jai'.

That's what happens when Govt. allows people the use of religious laws. They start believing that it will offend their religious sensibilities  if they sing the glory or wish the well-being of their country (e.g. "bharat mata ki jai"). 

what gives any one the right to make any one sing anything against their wishes?

Religion was older than many of the newer national borders. A diverse nation has to adjust to different religious setiments rather force minorities to conform to a belief system of some vocal parts of majority.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

truthbetold wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:all also have the right to not say 'bharat mata ki jai'.

That's what happens when Govt. allows people the use of religious laws. They start believing that it will offend their religious sensibilities  if they sing the glory or wish the well-being of their country (e.g. "bharat mata ki jai"). 

what gives any one the right to make any one sing anything against their wishes?

Religion was older than many of the newer national borders. A diverse nation has to adjust to different religious setiments rather force minorities to conform to a belief system of some vocal parts of majority.

Here is the point .... if people (minority or whatever) think that it will offend their religious sensibilities if they sing / utter the words praising or wishing for the well being of their country (e.g. "long live India" or "bharat mata ki jai"), then what lies ahead (in terms of their reaction etc.) if someone asks them to give up their religious laws in favor a non-religious UCC (one law for everyone, irrespective of religion, caste and gender)

Seva Lamberdar wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/All-have-right-to-say-Bharat-Mata-Ki-Jai-Smriti-Irani/articleshow/51661705.cms

>>> What is wrong in saying  'Bharat Mata Ki Jai' (Long Live India!) if a person is Indian citizen, and how does it (saying so) clash with someone's religious belief?

P.S.:  It is 9:30 AM (Daylight Saving Time) in Toronto (and New York etc.) and the SUCH clock is showing 3:30 P.M. What 'Time' is SUCH following? 

southindian wrote:Nobody is forcing to say anything. NOBODY. Not BJP and not RSS.

It's the 'Intolerance Gang' again... working hard to keep the issue alive. Morons

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/All-have-right-to-say-Bharat-Mata-Ki-Jai-Smriti-Irani/articleshow/51661705.cms

>>> What is wrong in saying  'Bharat Mata Ki Jai' (Long Live India!) if a person is Indian citizen, and how does it (saying so) clash with someone's religious belief?

P.S.:  It is 9:30 AM (Daylight Saving Time) in Toronto (and New York etc.) and the SUCH clock is showing 3:30 P.M. What 'Time' is SUCH following? 

Nobody is questioning anyone's right to say BMKJ. It is the chaddis who are labeling people as anti-national when those folks exercise their right *NOT* to say those words.

Smriti Irani is an illiterate nincompoop. Citing her to build your case puts you in the same category.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

southindian wrote:Nobody is forcing to say anything. NOBODY. Not BJP and not RSS.

It's the 'Intolerance Gang' again... working hard to keep the issue alive. Morons

Avivek, learn to stay quiet when you know nothing about an issue.

southindian wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

southindian wrote:Nobody is forcing to say anything. NOBODY. Not BJP and not RSS.

It's the 'Intolerance Gang' again... working hard to keep the issue alive. Morons

Avivek, learn to stay quiet when you know nothing about an issue.

RNI Loin,

NOBODY is forcing ANYONE to chant anything. NOBODY. Not sure about your education level, but that's an opinion from BJP you posted.

You shit here everyday (just as on this thread) and we don't ask you to stop shitting here. We can't take away your right to shit.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

southindian wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

southindian wrote:Nobody is forcing to say anything. NOBODY. Not BJP and not RSS.

It's the 'Intolerance Gang' again... working hard to keep the issue alive. Morons

Avivek, learn to stay quiet when you know nothing about an issue.

RNI Loin,

NOBODY is forcing ANYONE to chant anything. NOBODY. Not sure about your education level, but that's an opinion from BJP you posted.

You shit here everyday (just as on this thread) and we don't ask you to stop shitting here. We can't take away your right to shit.

Avivek, read what you wrote originally (in bold for your convenience). Btw what I told you is good advice. Stop fmaking a fool of yourself with every post.