Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ? It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Very true Aunty. Since there is no mention of Kashmir, it must mean that there is no problem at all over there and Kashmiris are all patriotic Indians who sing Vande Mataram and yell Bharat Mata ki Jai every time a cow moos. All that noise about riots and violence in Srinagar is a fiction created by Pakistan and their stooges in Indian media aka the presstitutes.

The only real problem there is the part of Kashmir that is occupied by Pakistan and whose people are yearning to be united with India so they too can sing Vande Mataram and yell Bharat Mata ki Jai every time a cow moos.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Very true Aunty. Since there is no mention of Kashmir, it must mean that there is no problem at all over there and Kashmiris are all patriotic Indians who sing Vande Mataram and yell Bharat Mata ki Jai every time a cow moos. All that noise about riots and violence in Srinagar is a fiction created by Pakistan and their stooges in Indian media aka the presstitutes.

The only real problem there is the part of Kashmir that is occupied by Pakistan and whose people are yearning to be united with India so they too can sing Vande Mataram and yell Bharat Mata ki Jai every time a cow moos.

What's your opinion about the part of Kashmir under the occupation of China and the following news item,
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/allahabad-school-that-banned-nation-anthem-sealed-manager-arrested-2961468/

Seva Lamberdar wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Very true Aunty. Since there is no mention of Kashmir, it must mean that there is no problem at all over there and Kashmiris are all patriotic Indians who sing Vande Mataram and yell Bharat Mata ki Jai every time a cow moos. All that noise about riots and violence in Srinagar is a fiction created by Pakistan and their stooges in Indian media aka the presstitutes.

The only real problem there is the part of Kashmir that is occupied by Pakistan and whose people are yearning to be united with India so they too can sing Vande Mataram and yell Bharat Mata ki Jai every time a cow moos.

What's your opinion about the part of Kashmir under the occupation of China and the following news item,
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/india-news-india/allahabad-school-that-banned-nation-anthem-sealed-manager-arrested-2961468/

Worse... the guy wanted all the children to shout "Allah u Akbar" Would he have accepted if the kids had shouted "God is Great" in English instead? or Allah knows only Arabic - the language of the Camels?

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Very true Aunty. Since there is no mention of Kashmir, it must mean that there is no problem at all over there and Kashmiris are all patriotic Indians who sing Vande Mataram and yell Bharat Mata ki Jai every time a cow moos. All that noise about riots and violence in Srinagar is a fiction created by Pakistan and their stooges in Indian media aka the presstitutes.

The only real problem there is the part of Kashmir that is occupied by Pakistan and whose people are yearning to be united with India so they too can sing Vande Mataram and yell Bharat Mata ki Jai every time a cow moos.

RNI Loin,

This is true. 

Are these stone throwing Kashmiris the same that stand in line for help from Indian Army, when hit by flood and other calamities?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

Obsolete CD,

Why would any sane person celebrate the death of a terrorist and risk losing one eye or both?

You will not do that... Will you?

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Stop your irrelevant blather and tell us whether or not you consider those Kashmiris who lost their vision as fellow Indians?

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Stop your irrelevant blather and tell us whether or not you consider those Kashmiris who lost their vision as fellow Indians?

Kashmiri muslims are NOT Indians...they are the ONLY ones who have oposed India and wanted to merge with Pakistan. If the hindus and Budhists also had joined them in demanding independence then there is some credit.

Before you ask your usual questions let me say...nope they cannot merge with Pakistan as the land belongs to India, and yes, they are free to go join their Ummah and ENJOY their AZADi. I even encourage India to fund their movement to Pakisaitan. If 15% of Pakistani hindu population could migrate to Hindustan leaving behind all their belonging, so can the Kashmiri Muslims.

southindian wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Very true Aunty. Since there is no mention of Kashmir, it must mean that there is no problem at all over there and Kashmiris are all patriotic Indians who sing Vande Mataram and yell Bharat Mata ki Jai every time a cow moos. All that noise about riots and violence in Srinagar is a fiction created by Pakistan and their stooges in Indian media aka the presstitutes.

The only real problem there is the part of Kashmir that is occupied by Pakistan and whose people are yearning to be united with India so they too can sing Vande Mataram and yell Bharat Mata ki Jai every time a cow moos.

RNI Loin,

This is true. 

Are these stone throwing Kashmiris the same that stand in line for help from Indian Army, when hit by flood and other calamities?

Avivek, you seem to be blind. There are no stone-throwing in Kashmir that is India. Those patriotic Indians burst into Vande Mataram and hug passing Indian soldiers (who are on their way to kill evil Pakistanis) and shout out Bharat Mata ki Jai every time they meet a fellow citizen from elsewhere in India. If someone has said otherwise, disbelieve them.

Stone-throwing Kashmiris are only in PoK where they are screaming for reunification with India where they can expect to be treated by their fellow citizens with love and respect, and not get shot with bullets and pellets by the occupying Paki soldiers.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Stop your irrelevant blather and tell us whether or not you consider those Kashmiris who lost their vision as fellow Indians?

Kashmiri muslims are NOT Indians...they are the ONLY ones who have oposed India and wanted to merge with Pakistan. If the hindus and Budhists also had joined them in demanding independence then there is some credit.

Before you ask your usual questions let me say...nope they cannot merge with Pakistan as the land belongs to India, and yes, they are free to go join their Ummah and ENJOY their AZADi. I even encourage India to fund their movement to Pakisaitan. If 15% of Pakistani hindu population could migrate to Hindustan leaving behind all their belonging, so can the Kashmiri Muslims.

Aunty, you seem to have enough educational degrees - which supports an assumption of sufficient level of literacy - to know that land and people go together. If you want to keep Kashmir, you better get used to treating its people as fellow citizens with all due democratic rights.

You chaddis are amazing. On the one hand, you keep screaming how successive state elections are a form of plebiscite which is evidence that Kashmiris want to stay within the Indian Union and under the Indian constitution. On the other hand, when they demand normal democratic rights (such as the right not to be shot down by your own country's soldiers) you'll happily snatch away their citizenship and treat them like a colonized people, to the extent of imposing your idiotic cow-worshipping and cow-shit eating ways on them.

...Like I said....If it is a KASHMIRI moveent, then why there are no muslims or Budhists?


It is a movement of Pakistan, by Pakistan for pakistan.

Land and people go together - that's why all those Mohajirs from UP and Bihar moved to Sindh and Punjab(West).

Hellsangel wrote:Land and people go together - that's why all those Mohajirs from UP and Bihar moved to Sindh and Punjab(West).

They should cancel article 370. In no time, Biharis and UP walas will flood Kashmir.

Pakistanis and their Kashmiri Stooges will scream, yell, and go to International court, OIC, and UN.

India should do what it has been doing all along ignore all of them - saying it is an internal matter. No power on earth will want to mess around in that messy part of the world.

Case resolved and closed in 15 years.

Just watch the Pakistani stooges disappear for sometime.

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Why then was Kashmir the Achilles heel? The events that followed the Accession, the policies pursued, and, most of all, the relationship of the Kashmiris with remaining Indians ensured that the Kashmiris might accept, even among some sections, develop affection for, but never consider themselves Indian. And why is it that the 54 deaths in Kashmir and the blinding of more than 100 people are never referred to in media or in drawing room as the death and injury of Indians?

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Stop your irrelevant blather and tell us whether or not you consider those Kashmiris who lost their vision as fellow Indians?

Kashmiri muslims are NOT Indians...they are the ONLY ones who have oposed India and wanted to merge with Pakistan. If the hindus and Budhists also had joined them in demanding independence then there is some credit.

Before you ask your usual questions let me say...nope they cannot merge with Pakistan as the land belongs to India, and yes, they are free to go join their Ummah and ENJOY their AZADi. I even encourage India to fund their movement to Pakisaitan. If 15% of Pakistani hindu population could migrate to Hindustan leaving behind all their belonging, so can the Kashmiri Muslims.

Look at the double standards; you've no qualms supporting Sri Lankan Tamilians & their agenda though they are not Indian citizens but the sky will fall if you show sympathy towards Kashmiri Muslims who are citizens of India and are suffering from the same fate as Tamilians in Sri Lanka did.

Ha ha ha! The master of whataboutery, Comrade Reddy garu has started. But what about the Tamils, what about the Kurds, what about the Baluchis... wait, never a word about the Baluchis.

If Kashmiri Muslims are Indian citizens, are they guilty of treason for wanting to secede, Comrade?

One can’t help but think that the conservative lament over the “ethnic cleansing” of Kashmiri Hindus is nothing but a cynical tactic to derail the longer-lasting and deeper grievances of Kashmiri Muslims. It sadly means that the Kashmiri Hindu plight is exploited; and that implies a lack of sincere empathy.

In articles by conservatives (though few of such writers have visited Mishriwala camp in Jammu or Lajpat Nagar in Delhi), the statistics on Kashmiri Hindus often take on a life of their own. One Chennai reader (of my previous newspaper) once wrote in asking “What about the ethnic cleansing of seven lakh Kashmiri Pandits?” This number suspiciously mirrored the numbers of Indian soldiers that Pakistan inflates and claims we use in the Valley (the Pakistanis conveniently tack on the soldiers deployed in Siachen, along Aksai Chin, and at Udhampur, all technically a part of J&K).

The J&K relief commissioner, however, says there are 38,119 families comprising 1.42 lakh persons registered as migrants. Another 21,684 Pandit families are registered outside the state, most of them in Delhi; that’s another 80,000 persons. The government also says 219 Kashmiri Pandits were killed since 1989; an NGO, the Kashmiri Pandit Sangharsh Samiti puts the figure not much higher at 399. It is no argument to say these numbers do not give the real picture, because by the same token you would then have to accept the claim that the government’s figures on killed or missing Kashmiri Muslims is vastly underestimated. Needless to say, 399 killed does not equate to genocide, another term used loosely by conservatives when describing the Kashmiri Hindu plight.

http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column-kashmiri-pandits-sri-lankan-tamils-and-indian-hypocrisy-1571225

Chaddi propaganda succinctly explained..

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Stop your irrelevant blather and tell us whether or not you consider those Kashmiris who lost their vision as fellow Indians?

Kashmiri muslims are NOT Indians...they are the ONLY ones who have oposed India and wanted to merge with Pakistan. If the hindus and Budhists also had joined them in demanding independence then there is some credit.

Before you ask your usual questions let me say...nope they cannot merge with Pakistan as the land belongs to India, and yes, they are free to go join their Ummah and ENJOY their AZADi. I even encourage India to fund their movement to Pakisaitan. If 15% of Pakistani hindu population could migrate to Hindustan leaving behind all their belonging, so can the Kashmiri Muslims.

Aunty, you seem to have enough educational degrees - which supports an assumption of sufficient level of literacy - to know that land and people go together. If you want to keep Kashmir, you better get used to treating its people as fellow citizens with all due democratic rights.

You chaddis are amazing. On the one hand, you keep screaming how successive state elections are a form of plebiscite which is evidence that Kashmiris want to stay within the Indian Union and under the Indian constitution. On the other hand, when they demand normal democratic rights (such as the right not to be shot down by your own country's soldiers) you'll happily snatch away their citizenship and treat them like a colonized people, to the extent of imposing your idiotic cow-worshipping and cow-shit eating ways on them.

Well said. The chaddi approach will result in the separation of Kashmir from India.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:
http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/lead/wajahat-habibullah-on-kashmir-unrest-after-the-killing-of-burhan-wani/article8955946.ece

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Stop your irrelevant blather and tell us whether or not you consider those Kashmiris who lost their vision as fellow Indians?

Kashmiri muslims are NOT Indians...they are the ONLY ones who have oposed India and wanted to merge with Pakistan. If the hindus and Budhists also had joined them in demanding independence then there is some credit.

Before you ask your usual questions let me say...nope they cannot merge with Pakistan as the land belongs to India, and yes, they are free to go join their Ummah and ENJOY their AZADi. I even encourage India to fund their movement to Pakisaitan. If 15% of Pakistani hindu population could migrate to Hindustan leaving behind all their belonging, so can the Kashmiri Muslims.

Aunty, you seem to have enough educational degrees - which supports an assumption of sufficient level of literacy - to know that land and people go together. If you want to keep Kashmir, you better get used to treating its people as fellow citizens with all due democratic rights.

You chaddis are amazing. On the one hand, you keep screaming how successive state elections are a form of plebiscite which is evidence that Kashmiris want to stay within the Indian Union and under the Indian constitution. On the other hand, when they demand normal democratic rights (such as the right not to be shot down by your own country's soldiers) you'll happily snatch away their citizenship and treat them like a colonized people, to the extent of imposing your idiotic cow-worshipping and cow-shit eating ways on them.

RNI Loin,

You are so fucking wrong. The Government of India runs India which has done so since 1947. The GoI has been run by Congress for more than 50 years and now by the BJP.

NO GoI has treated Kashmiris ANY differently than they treat UP Wallahs or Keralites. The Kashmiris look at India differently and not their own. They get more subsidies than any other Indian state and think themselves as special. Why? How is a Kashmiri any different than you?

The so-called Cow-Bhakts, Modi-Bhakts came to power in 2014, though Kashmiris haven't changed for last 30+ years. You just pick on the BJP in 2016 because that's what you do best. That's all.

I know you have no ideas other than bringing in discussion Cow-Bhakts or Modi-Bhakts or even the so-called intolerant people. These folks have ZERO influence in the current situation in Kashmir and Kashmiris don't care either.

When I meet a Muslim Srinagar resident in Chicago, who studied at AMU and travels on an Indian passport I ask, how is he a different Indian than a Keralite in the same office? 

Idiot, why can't the rest or Kashmiris think like this Muslim Srinagar resident? Or like any other Muslim or Hindu resident for that matter?

RNI Loin,

Where art thou?

southindian wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

Marathadi-Saamiyaar wrote:

That is bcz ....in the worldwide operations of iSlamic terroris, kashmiri death of 54 people over 1 month is nothing...less than the 93 dead in one blAST in Quetta.

Here....do you see a single WORD about Kashmir ?  It is only in the minds of PakiSatanis and their Kashmiri Stooges - oh. also their Indian Stooges.

Stop your irrelevant blather and tell us whether or not you consider those Kashmiris who lost their vision as fellow Indians?

Kashmiri muslims are NOT Indians...they are the ONLY ones who have oposed India and wanted to merge with Pakistan. If the hindus and Budhists also had joined them in demanding independence then there is some credit.

Before you ask your usual questions let me say...nope they cannot merge with Pakistan as the land belongs to India, and yes, they are free to go join their Ummah and ENJOY their AZADi. I even encourage India to fund their movement to Pakisaitan. If 15% of Pakistani hindu population could migrate to Hindustan leaving behind all their belonging, so can the Kashmiri Muslims.

Aunty, you seem to have enough educational degrees - which supports an assumption of sufficient level of literacy - to know that land and people go together. If you want to keep Kashmir, you better get used to treating its people as fellow citizens with all due democratic rights.

You chaddis are amazing. On the one hand, you keep screaming how successive state elections are a form of plebiscite which is evidence that Kashmiris want to stay within the Indian Union and under the Indian constitution. On the other hand, when they demand normal democratic rights (such as the right not to be shot down by your own country's soldiers) you'll happily snatch away their citizenship and treat them like a colonized people, to the extent of imposing your idiotic cow-worshipping and cow-shit eating ways on them.

RNI Loin,

You are so fucking wrong. The Government of India runs India which has done so since 1947. The GoI has been run by Congress for more than 50 years and now by the BJP.

NO GoI has treated Kashmiris ANY differently than they treat UP Wallahs or Keralites. The Kashmiris look at India differently and not their own. They get more subsidies than any other Indian state and think themselves as special. Why? How is a Kashmiri any different than you?

The so-called Cow-Bhakts, Modi-Bhakts came to power in 2014, though Kashmiris haven't changed for last 30+ years. You just pick on the BJP in 2016 because that's what you do best. That's all.

I know you have no ideas other than bringing in discussion Cow-Bhakts or Modi-Bhakts or even the so-called intolerant people. These folks have ZERO influence in the current situation in Kashmir and Kashmiris don't care either.

When I meet a Muslim Srinagar resident in Chicago, who studied at AMU and travels on an Indian passport I ask, how is he a different Indian than a Keralite in the same office? 

Idiot, why can't the rest or Kashmiris think like this Muslim Srinagar resident? Or like any other Muslim or Hindu resident for that matter?

Psst... MD was responding directly to MS's statement that "Kashmiri Muslims are NOT Indians."

Can Idefix or CD or merlot explain what is non chaddi policy in Kashmir? How it helped integrate Kashmir into India?

Kashmir’s Problem Isn’t Wani Or Pellets; It’s Islamism And Refusal To Accept Democratic Verdict

confuzzled dude wrote:

One can’t help but think that the conservative lament over the “ethnic cleansing” of Kashmiri Hindus is nothing but a cynical tactic to derail the longer-lasting and deeper grievances of Kashmiri Muslims. It sadly means that the Kashmiri Hindu plight is exploited; and that implies a lack of sincere empathy.

In articles by conservatives (though few of such writers have visited Mishriwala camp in Jammu or Lajpat Nagar in Delhi), the statistics on Kashmiri Hindus often take on a life of their own. One Chennai reader (of my previous newspaper) once wrote in asking “What about the ethnic cleansing of seven lakh Kashmiri Pandits?” This number suspiciously mirrored the numbers of Indian soldiers that Pakistan inflates and claims we use in the Valley (the Pakistanis conveniently tack on the soldiers deployed in Siachen, along Aksai Chin, and at Udhampur, all technically a part of J&K).

The J&K relief commissioner, however, says there are 38,119 families comprising 1.42 lakh persons registered as migrants. Another 21,684 Pandit families are registered outside the state, most of them in Delhi; that’s another 80,000 persons. The government also says 219 Kashmiri Pandits were killed since 1989; an NGO, the Kashmiri Pandit Sangharsh Samiti puts the figure not much higher at 399. It is no argument to say these numbers do not give the real picture, because by the same token you would then have to accept the claim that the government’s figures on killed or missing Kashmiri Muslims is vastly underestimated. Needless to say, 399 killed does not equate to genocide, another term used loosely by conservatives when describing the Kashmiri Hindu plight.

http://www.dnaindia.com/analysis/column-kashmiri-pandits-sri-lankan-tamils-and-indian-hypocrisy-1571225

Chaddi propaganda succinctly explained..

a) Are you saying ethnic cleansing of Hindus did not happen ?
b) What are the long-standing grievances of Kashmiri Muslims ? 

   1) Are they being blocked from giving sermons on Islamism in Mosques, as is being done in China.
   2) Does somebody tell them  not to pray five times a day ?
   3) Did somebody block them from celebrating Festivals like Eid ?
   4) Is the government preventing people from fasting during Ramzan ?
   5) Are the Shia Muslims being told not to observe Muharram
   6) Are people being prevented from wearing their favorite skull Cap and Burqa (as is being done in China)
   7 ) Did the Indian government even intervene, when the Political Islamists went about terrorizing Kashmiri Muslim women
        by throwing acid in their faces and force them to wear Burqa ?
  
On the other hand (they in all the sentences below refer to Political Islamists)
   1) The Political Islamist Muslims seem to remember environment & every kind if ruse, 
       to block Hindu pilgrims going to Amarnath and forcing them on difficult routes
   2) They also want to limit number of Hindu Pilgrims
   3) Hindu properties  (houses and Lands) which were snatched away by Political Islamists after the ethnic cleansing , have 
      not been returned
   4) Even those Hindus who want to return are being told they cannot stay together for security (A strange requirement given that
       all over India Muslims live in Ghettos).
   5) No special effort have been made to repair the temples that were destroyed during the ethnic cleansing
   6) They are NOT Secular and there is "massive intolerance". They do not allow the Christians to convert Muslims and asked
       Christian priests to get out.
   7) They do not want Hindu labour force from the rest of the country to come and work in Kashmir, 
       but are ok with Muslim labourers from Bihar and UP.
   8 ) They do not want to give land to any companies that want to invest, unless they are run by Muslims alone, but still cry about
        unemployment
   9 ) They do not observe Indian laws that give reservation
   10 ) They terrorize Kashmiri Muslim girls, for simple things like singing songs and forming a band, indicating that they are 
          against individual freedom to express oneself.
   11) There are people in the valley who openly say they cannot live with Non-Muslims, and nobody says anything against them.

It appears to me that Hindus & Sikhs are being discriminated against rather than the other way around.

Not surprised that CD or idefix or merlot has an answer yet. 

Kashmir valley muslims are under the influence of Pakistan brand of islam. They will vote for Pakistan or some variation of Paki state. 

India is holding on to the land for strategic reasons. If it is purely the future of their children,  vote for India had a chance but logic does not work in emotional minds overtaken religious fervor. 

The question is what is your solution. 

Give up all of J&K as Pakistan claims? 

What is your specific solution?

TBT, the non-chaddi policy is one that assumes that Kashmir stays in India for the long term if and only if Kashmiris want to stay in India. Non-chaddi policies would emphasize political engagement and recognize that there is no possible military solution. When the militancy started in earnest in 1989, it was non-chaddi policies under PVNR that brought the valley back from the very brink.

Idefix,

What is bringing back from brink mean? Completing the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri pandits being complete? Peace returning to valley as the Hindu targets were eliminated? Just for record,Non chaddi govts were in power during these starting points of insurgency? Actions by those non chaddi (Rajiv and VP Singh) ignited the insurgency? 

The question is what exactly did non chaddi congress policies of 10 years between 2004 and 2014 achieve? 

If you want to join Gulam Nabi Azad and want to wage a political battle with clueless RSS methodology, that is fine. But please do not say that somehow non chaddi policy is suddenly creating a new danger to Kashmir being integral to India.  

On another front of discussion, why are kashmiris protesting the killing of Vani (whatever his name is)?
What do you expect a govt to do if they face a terrorist in an exchange of fire? What do you expect govt to do in the face of violent protests?

Idéfix wrote:TBT, the non-chaddi policy is one that assumes that Kashmir stays in India for the long term if and only if Kashmiris want to stay in India. Non-chaddi policies would emphasize political engagement and recognize that there is no possible military solution. When the militancy started in earnest in 1989, it was non-chaddi policies under PVNR that brought the valley back from the very brink.

The CON approach won't solve the problem, it will just keep it simmering. 
India should quietly foster dissent in Balochistan, Gilgit, Baltistan and Sindh to keep pieceful Paki Punjabis busy. A "thousand cuts" policy by India will work better than that of PakiSatan.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Idéfix wrote:TBT, the non-chaddi policy is one that assumes that Kashmir stays in India for the long term if and only if Kashmiris want to stay in India. Non-chaddi policies would emphasize political engagement and recognize that there is no possible military solution. When the militancy started in earnest in 1989, it was non-chaddi policies under PVNR that brought the valley back from the very brink.

The CON approach won't solve the problem, it will just keep it simmering. 
India should quietly foster dissent in Balochistan, Gilgit, Baltistan and Sindh to keep pieceful Paki Punjabis busy. A "thousand cuts" policy by India will work better than that of PakiSatan.

Looks like Modi is thinking along the same line but is going a little too far. The rhetoric has to match with action and that requires a lot of strategizing and guessing. The international community will either stay neutral or support India. China must be wondering what it has to do. Their port in Balochistan may become a target for Balochi separatist attacks (and India should quietly fund and arm them). India should make a deal with the US on supporting Balochi independence so that a route to Central Asia is created bypassing PakiSatan. If that happens, PakiSatan will lose its strategic importance.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Prime-Minister-Narendra-Modi-holds-POK-Balochistan-mirror-to-Pakistan/articleshow/53715922.cms

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/With-comments-on-Balochistan-PM-signals-no-more-unnecessary-restraint-on-Kashmir-Experts/articleshow/53710953.cms

More than 68,000 people have been killed since rebel groups began fighting Indian forces in 1989 and in the subsequent Indian military crackdown. India accuses Pakistan of arming and training rebels, a charge Islamabad denies.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/08/20/world/asia/ap-as-kashmir-protests.html?_r=0

Wonder how many of them were Pandits.

confuzzled dude wrote:

More than 68,000 people have been killed since rebel groups began fighting Indian forces in 1989 and in the subsequent Indian military crackdown. India accuses Pakistan of arming and training rebels, a charge Islamabad denies.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2016/08/20/world/asia/ap-as-kashmir-protests.html?_r=0

Wonder how many of them were Pandits.

Another very good reason for India to dump any support for the Palestinian terrorists, Comrade.

The reason why Kashmir will blow hot and cold is Pakistan's instigation.  Pakistan will continue to play negative role because China is encouraging Pakistan to play negative with India. 

China will not change till India is forced to withdraw support for Tibet which is not likely to happen any time soon.  China will exploit Pakistan's sense of inferiority after the loss of Bangladesh and encourage it to foster trouble in Kashmir. Pakistan and its religious extremist groups will be delighted with such support and jump in killing fields with abandon. 

BJP or congress govt actions will have minimal impact on Kashmir.

Idefix and CD refuse to accept the reality and try to give some feeble explanations.

truthbetold wrote:The reason why Kashmir will blow hot and cold is Pakistan's instigation.  Pakistan will continue to play negative role because China is encouraging Pakistan to play negative with India. 

China will not change till India is forced to withdraw support for Tibet which is not likely to happen any time soon.  China will exploit Pakistan's sense of inferiority after the loss of Bangladesh and encourage it to foster trouble in Kashmir. Pakistan and its religious extremist groups will be delighted with such support and jump in killing fields with abandon. 

BJP or congress govt actions will have minimal impact on Kashmir.

Idefix and CD refuse to accept the reality and try to give some feeble explanations.

The reality is India's obsession over Kashmir. It is high-time that India fulfilled majority of Kashmiris' wishes. It is inhuman to see so many young lives wasted in the name of some fictitious hindu-mythical connection to Kashmir.

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:The reason why Kashmir will blow hot and cold is Pakistan's instigation.  Pakistan will continue to play negative role because China is encouraging Pakistan to play negative with India. 

China will not change till India is forced to withdraw support for Tibet which is not likely to happen any time soon.  China will exploit Pakistan's sense of inferiority after the loss of Bangladesh and encourage it to foster trouble in Kashmir. Pakistan and its religious extremist groups will be delighted with such support and jump in killing fields with abandon. 

BJP or congress govt actions will have minimal impact on Kashmir.

Idefix and CD refuse to accept the reality and try to give some feeble explanations.

The reality is India's obsession over Kashmir. It is high-time that India fulfilled majority of Kashmiris' wishes. It is inhuman to see so many young lives wasted in the name of some fictitious hindu-mythical connection to Kashmir.

CD,

Why don't you tell us what those kashmiri wishes were?

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:The reason why Kashmir will blow hot and cold is Pakistan's instigation.  Pakistan will continue to play negative role because China is encouraging Pakistan to play negative with India. 

China will not change till India is forced to withdraw support for Tibet which is not likely to happen any time soon.  China will exploit Pakistan's sense of inferiority after the loss of Bangladesh and encourage it to foster trouble in Kashmir. Pakistan and its religious extremist groups will be delighted with such support and jump in killing fields with abandon. 

BJP or congress govt actions will have minimal impact on Kashmir.

Idefix and CD refuse to accept the reality and try to give some feeble explanations.

The reality is India's obsession over Kashmir. It is high-time that India fulfilled majority of Kashmiris' wishes. It is inhuman to see so many young lives wasted in the name of some fictitious hindu-mythical connection to Kashmir.

CD,

Why don't you tell us what those kashmiri wishes were?

Oh my bad! I forgot that Kashmir is heaven on earth, where of sages live and meditate; any news of Kashmir problem is a myth or fabrication of biased media.

CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

My dear TBT, escape route was your previous post. Kashmiris want freedom, they don't want to be a part of India. How difficult is it to understand?

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

My dear TBT, escape route was your previous post. Kashmiris want freedom, they don't want to be a part of India. How difficult is it to understand?

TBT, if still have any doubts...

This time, though, the ground has shifted. There are two reasons for it.

First, the complexion of the uprising has changed on the ground and the movement for azadi has transcended human rights issues. Unlike previous upsurges in 2008, 2009 and 2010, the protestors aren’t angry against a civilian killing. Though there are a number of reasons for this accumulated anger, the trigger for this massive outpouring explains the shift.

These large gatherings aren’t a protest against the killing of Kashmiri militant Burhan Wani. Instead, Kashmir has risen to endorse what Burhan stood for and the consensus seems to be around one theme: “We don’t want to be part of India.” The language of the people has never been so clear.

In 2016, there is no illusion that anything would convince New Delhi to accept and engage with the evident reality that a vast majority of Kashmiris don’t want to be part of India. The fear seems to have evaporated completely. The young men, who go out to confront the armed forces, are aware of the costs.

http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/kashmir-protests-all-party-meet-pm-modi-rajnath-singh-burhan-wani-2969273/

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

My dear TBT, escape route was your previous post. Kashmiris want freedom, they don't want to be a part of India. How difficult is it to understand?

Nizam also didn't want to be with India. Vallabhai Patel kicked him in the groin until he screamed.

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

My dear TBT, escape route was your previous post. Kashmiris want freedom, they don't want to be a part of India. How difficult is it to understand?

Nizam also didn't want to be with India. Vallabhai Patel kicked him in the groin until he screamed.

Guruvu gaaru, the vast majority of the Nizam's subjects wanted to join India. That is why he didn't resist the police action. In Kashmir today, we are dealing with the loss of yet another generation.

Idéfix wrote:

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

My dear TBT, escape route was your previous post. Kashmiris want freedom, they don't want to be a part of India. How difficult is it to understand?

Nizam also didn't want to be with India. Vallabhai Patel kicked him in the groin until he screamed.

Guruvu gaaru, the vast majority of the Nizam's subjects wanted to join India. That is why he didn't resist the police action. In Kashmir today, we are dealing with the loss of yet another generation.

I agree. Modi can't be hard-nosed towards Pakis and at the same time alienate the youth in the valley.

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

My dear TBT, escape route was your previous post. Kashmiris want freedom, they don't want to be a part of India. How difficult is it to understand?

CD,

Your inability to state your side of equation clearly is the problem. Sentiment of religiously charged islamic Kashmiris is well understood. The policies of 40 years Indian govt are bend but not break.  Kashmir problem has gone up and down in religious intensity and terrorist violence over these 40 years based on local factors and international instigation. 

The hypocrisy of congress supporters like you is that you are painting the current turmoil as suddenly bigger than at any other time (remember 1986 or 19991 or 2001parliament attack  to 2008 - mumbai Taj terrorism) because such perception is hoped to Modi politically.  Your intense hatred for Modi does not change ground reality.
The Indian govt position is not much different from 3 years ago. The so called kashmiri sentiment is decades old. (Read BBC's) . The only difference is that cong supporters are openly coming out for Kashmir secession. Congress will be happy to see Kashmir simmer through UP elections to gather more muslim votes to their side. 
Foreign interests have been stoking national sentiments along Indian borders for several decades and making those areas vulnerable. Congress that ran govt all those years used bend but not break. It will not change under Modi.  Remember Kashmir problem is in existence as long as Palestine issue. 

Kashmir problem can only be solved if India is defeated or Pakistan disintegrates or China reconciles itself to better relations with India and accepts the idea that it is worth pushing Pakistan aside. None of those events are on cards for few more decades.

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

My dear TBT, escape route was your previous post. Kashmiris want freedom, they don't want to be a part of India. How difficult is it to understand?

CD,

Your inability to state your side of equation clearly is the problem. Sentiment of religiously charged islamic Kashmiris is well understood. The policies of 40 years Indian govt are bend but not break.  Kashmir problem has gone up and down in religious intensity and terrorist violence over these 40 years based on local factors and international instigation. 

The hypocrisy of congress supporters like you is that you are painting the current turmoil as suddenly bigger than at any other time (remember 1986 or 19991 or 2001parliament attack  to 2008 - mumbai Taj terrorism) because such perception is hoped to Modi politically.  Your intense hatred for Modi does not change ground reality.
The Indian govt position is not much different from 3 years ago. The so called kashmiri sentiment is decades old. (Read BBC's) . The only difference is that cong supporters are openly coming out for Kashmir secession. Congress will be happy to see Kashmir simmer through UP elections to gather more muslim votes to their side. 
Foreign interests have been stoking national sentiments along Indian borders for several decades and making those areas vulnerable. Congress that ran govt all those years used bend but not break. It will not change under Modi.  Remember Kashmir problem is in existence as long as Palestine issue. 

Kashmir problem can only be solved if India is defeated or Pakistan disintegrates or China reconciles itself to better relations with India and accepts the idea that it is worth pushing Pakistan aside. None of those events are on cards for few more decades.

Comparison of other terrorist activities with Kashmir issue makes me wonder about your knowledge of the state of India, Are you really this dumb or trying hard to be a dumb dude? My support for kicking Kashmir out of the union (India) has got nothing to do with BJP or Congress. My point is that Kashmir has been a drag on India for decades, sucking out enormous resources - financial, military or otherwise. When a country has no qualms bifurcating (or even trifurcate) several states based on economic/development agenda what's wrong with breaking ties with this state for the future of India.

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

My dear TBT, escape route was your previous post. Kashmiris want freedom, they don't want to be a part of India. How difficult is it to understand?

CD,

Your inability to state your side of equation clearly is the problem. Sentiment of religiously charged islamic Kashmiris is well understood. The policies of 40 years Indian govt are bend but not break.  Kashmir problem has gone up and down in religious intensity and terrorist violence over these 40 years based on local factors and international instigation. 

The hypocrisy of congress supporters like you is that you are painting the current turmoil as suddenly bigger than at any other time (remember 1986 or 19991 or 2001parliament attack  to 2008 - mumbai Taj terrorism) because such perception is hoped to Modi politically.  Your intense hatred for Modi does not change ground reality.
The Indian govt position is not much different from 3 years ago. The so called kashmiri sentiment is decades old. (Read BBC's) . The only difference is that cong supporters are openly coming out for Kashmir secession. Congress will be happy to see Kashmir simmer through UP elections to gather more muslim votes to their side. 
Foreign interests have been stoking national sentiments along Indian borders for several decades and making those areas vulnerable. Congress that ran govt all those years used bend but not break. It will not change under Modi.  Remember Kashmir problem is in existence as long as Palestine issue. 

Kashmir problem can only be solved if India is defeated or Pakistan disintegrates or China reconciles itself to better relations with India and accepts the idea that it is worth pushing Pakistan aside. None of those events are on cards for few more decades.

TBT and CD, why are both of you silent about the plight of Kashmiri pandits? how can you forget so easily that ethnic cleansing took place in kashmir and kashmiri pandits were driven away in the 1980s and 1990s?

Idefix,

What is your criteria for self contained unit that can ask for independence?  Can Old city muslims rise in revolt asking to be united with Paksitan?  Their population may be larger than some of the Indian border states. What if the muslims of HYD, mumbai and bangalore combine to ask for non contigous muslim nation? Can religious fervor alone be sufficient to create new nations? 

If Kashmiri view point needs to be taken into account because they lived there for few hundred years, what about the rest of India views about it? Kashmir has been part of Indian religious and political history forever. Why does it have no weight in your view point?

Related questions were, Kashmir insurgency's strength lies in a small geographical area within Kashmir. What about the rest of Jammu and Kashmir?  Should Kashmir remain one unit or split into several parts based on different religions? 

If so called kashmiri wishes were granted, why can't west bengal border district muslims and western up muslims cannot claim independence?  IN WB, border districts have received huge influx of Bangladesh refugees. Should their vote count? 

What is basis of this national sentiment?  What is politically palatable at the moment?

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

My dear TBT, escape route was your previous post. Kashmiris want freedom, they don't want to be a part of India. How difficult is it to understand?

CD,

Your inability to state your side of equation clearly is the problem. Sentiment of religiously charged islamic Kashmiris is well understood. The policies of 40 years Indian govt are bend but not break.  Kashmir problem has gone up and down in religious intensity and terrorist violence over these 40 years based on local factors and international instigation. 

The hypocrisy of congress supporters like you is that you are painting the current turmoil as suddenly bigger than at any other time (remember 1986 or 19991 or 2001parliament attack  to 2008 - mumbai Taj terrorism) because such perception is hoped to Modi politically.  Your intense hatred for Modi does not change ground reality.
The Indian govt position is not much different from 3 years ago. The so called kashmiri sentiment is decades old. (Read BBC's) . The only difference is that cong supporters are openly coming out for Kashmir secession. Congress will be happy to see Kashmir simmer through UP elections to gather more muslim votes to their side. 
Foreign interests have been stoking national sentiments along Indian borders for several decades and making those areas vulnerable. Congress that ran govt all those years used bend but not break. It will not change under Modi.  Remember Kashmir problem is in existence as long as Palestine issue. 

Kashmir problem can only be solved if India is defeated or Pakistan disintegrates or China reconciles itself to better relations with India and accepts the idea that it is worth pushing Pakistan aside. None of those events are on cards for few more decades.

Comparison of other terrorist activities with Kashmir issue makes me wonder about your knowledge of the state of India, Are you really this dumb or trying hard to be a dumb dude? My support for kicking Kashmir out of the union (India) has got nothing to do with BJP or Congress. My point is that Kashmir has been a drag on India for decades, sucking out enormous resources - financial, military or otherwise. When a country has no qualms bifurcating (or even trifurcate) several states based on economic/development agenda what's wrong with breaking ties with this state for the future of India.

india cannot let go of kashmir in the same way that china cannot let go of tibet. the chinese know that if tibet goes, then there is a serious danger of xinjian, inner mongolia and other provinces also saying sayonara to china.

in india, if kashmir goes then we can say goodbye to the north-eastern states to begin with and other states would follow suit. there would be no india (as we know it) left.

Rashmun wrote:
TBT and CD, why are both of you silent about the plight of Kashmiri pandits? how can you forget so easily that ethnic cleansing took place in kashmir and kashmiri pandits were driven away in the 1980s and 1990s?

You mean to say - ethnic cleansing organized by then Governor Jagmohan? How many Kashmiri Pandits were killed in all these decades and compare this with the Hindus that were killed during Khalistan movement. And what about those 68,000 Kashmiris killed since the insurgency [began in the '90s]

truthbetold wrote:

confuzzled dude wrote:

truthbetold wrote:CD,

Searching for escape routes already.  Adding that stock answer makes really stupid and clueless.

My dear TBT, escape route was your previous post. Kashmiris want freedom, they don't want to be a part of India. How difficult is it to understand?

CD,

Your inability to state your side of equation clearly is the problem. Sentiment of religiously charged islamic Kashmiris is well understood. The policies of 40 years Indian govt are bend but not break.  Kashmir problem has gone up and down in religious intensity and terrorist violence over these 40 years based on local factors and international instigation. 

The hypocrisy of congress supporters like you is that you are painting the current turmoil as suddenly bigger than at any other time (remember 1986 or 19991 or 2001parliament attack  to 2008 - mumbai Taj terrorism) because such perception is hoped to Modi politically.  Your intense hatred for Modi does not change ground reality.
The Indian govt position is not much different from 3 years ago. The so called kashmiri sentiment is decades old. (Read BBC's) . The only difference is that cong supporters are openly coming out for Kashmir secession. Congress will be happy to see Kashmir simmer through UP elections to gather more muslim votes to their side. 
Foreign interests have been stoking national sentiments along Indian borders for several decades and making those areas vulnerable. Congress that ran govt all those years used bend but not break. It will not change under Modi.  Remember Kashmir problem is in existence as long as Palestine issue. 

Kashmir problem can only be solved if India is defeated or Pakistan disintegrates or China reconciles itself to better relations with India and accepts the idea that it is worth pushing Pakistan aside. None of those events are on cards for few more decades.

Kashmir problem can be solved if oil prices can be kept low for a couple of decades (so that the Saudis go back to riding camels and wiping their butts with stones) and Unkil Sam stops pumping money into PakiSatan. If Balochistan separates from PakiSatan, the latter will lose its strategic importance.