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MaxEntropy_Man- Posts : 14702
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Re: Donald Jr...
by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:43 am
From the NYT report which broke open the story:
"Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email."
Jr's current defense reads, "She didn't give me anything useful, so no collusion." The FBI routinely does stings on pedophiles by entrapment, with one of their agents posing as a victim. If the pedo shows up, he is toast. The reason is that he showed intent. Same thing with Jr. She needn't have given him anything. The fact that he acted on an email message urging him to meet with someone with Kremlin connections who wanted to give him some dirt on Clinton should be sufficient.
But not to worry, Prez Orange or Prez Pence (whoever is in power) when the chickens finally come home to roost will issue liberal pardons to one and all.
"Before arranging a meeting with a Kremlin-connected Russian lawyer he believed would offer him compromising information about Hillary Clinton, Donald Trump Jr. was informed in an email that the material was part of a Russian government effort to aid his father’s candidacy, according to three people with knowledge of the email."
Jr's current defense reads, "She didn't give me anything useful, so no collusion." The FBI routinely does stings on pedophiles by entrapment, with one of their agents posing as a victim. If the pedo shows up, he is toast. The reason is that he showed intent. Same thing with Jr. She needn't have given him anything. The fact that he acted on an email message urging him to meet with someone with Kremlin connections who wanted to give him some dirt on Clinton should be sufficient.
But not to worry, Prez Orange or Prez Pence (whoever is in power) when the chickens finally come home to roost will issue liberal pardons to one and all.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by Guest Tue Jul 11, 2017 9:48 am
"ya you need to stop trusting liberal media. They themselves know there is NOTHING to Russia story. They are pushing this ONLY for their ratings, and because they are upset their candidate lost".
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Re: Donald Jr...
by Guest Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:05 am
I wonder if the trumps are experts are handling the media... trump was taking the heat on G20 - ivanka and putin, so Jr here got himself entrapped in some Russian controversy, which will be forgotten like all others. This one will either change to, 'he only hoped for intel, doesn't mean he was assured of it explicitly. There was no email'. Or, 'they didn't know what they were doing'. Or, another 'damaging' report will surface, and entire media will chase that one, and no one will pick up this one.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:24 am
It's possible the media will move on, and so will the people with their gnat like attention spans. But it is unlikely that Mueller is going to let this slip. I am waiting for the announcement of Leper firing Mueller any day now.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:29 am
Wow, wow, wow!! Just wow!
Jr just posted much of the exchange on Twitter in which it is clearly mentioned that the lawyer is a "Russian government lawyer." What more do we need?
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Ftv%2Fdonald-trump-jr-twitter-tantrum-145934482.html
One of Goldstone's email messages to Jr says, "This is very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr.Trump...."
Jr obviously posted it in a fit of anger, but he has Sonny Corleone's anger combined with Fredo's competence.
Jr just posted much of the exchange on Twitter in which it is clearly mentioned that the lawyer is a "Russian government lawyer." What more do we need?
https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.yahoo.com%2Ftv%2Fdonald-trump-jr-twitter-tantrum-145934482.html
One of Goldstone's email messages to Jr says, "This is very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government's support for Mr.Trump...."
Jr obviously posted it in a fit of anger, but he has Sonny Corleone's anger combined with Fredo's competence.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by Idéfix Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:44 am
So Don Jr.'s defense is: I deliberately tried to collude with the Russians. Our campaign boss and Kushner came along for the ride. But the Russians didn't give me anything useful! In Trevor Noah's words: "honey, I went to meet her because she said she wanted to fuck. But she really didn't, she wanted to talk about adoption. So I didn't cheat on you!"
Let the trumptards polish this turd now.
"He's new to this collusion. He doesn't know all the detailed protocols and procedures of how to collude successfully and not be caught. Give him time." -- Paul "Ron" Ryan
"I am deeply concerned with this collusion. Very disturbed, I am. Hahaha." -- John McCain, before rushing off to vote with Trump on every issue
"Ben Ghazi! Emails!! FAKE NEWS!!!" -- Fox News
"Hitlary! Shrillery!" -- SuCH trumptards
Let the trumptards polish this turd now.
"He's new to this collusion. He doesn't know all the detailed protocols and procedures of how to collude successfully and not be caught. Give him time." -- Paul "Ron" Ryan
"I am deeply concerned with this collusion. Very disturbed, I am. Hahaha." -- John McCain, before rushing off to vote with Trump on every issue
"Ben Ghazi! Emails!! FAKE NEWS!!!" -- Fox News
"Hitlary! Shrillery!" -- SuCH trumptards
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Re: Donald Jr...
by Idéfix Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:49 am
If you read the email chain, one more thing becomes very clear.
Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner were forwarded the email chain in June 2016 before the meeting. The email chain says that the meeting was with a Russian government lawyer to discuss the Russian government's support for Trump. They both attended the meeting after knowing this.
Manafort was then the Chairman of the Trump campaign. Don Jr. just confirmed that the Trump campaign tried to collude with the Russian government.
Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner were forwarded the email chain in June 2016 before the meeting. The email chain says that the meeting was with a Russian government lawyer to discuss the Russian government's support for Trump. They both attended the meeting after knowing this.
Manafort was then the Chairman of the Trump campaign. Don Jr. just confirmed that the Trump campaign tried to collude with the Russian government.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jul 11, 2017 10:57 am
Idéfix wrote:If you read the email chain, one more thing because very clear.
Paul Manafort and Jared Kushner were forwarded the email chain in June 2016 before the meeting. The email chain says that the meeting was with a Russian government lawyer to discuss the Russian government's support for Trump. They both attended the meeting after knowing this.
Manafort was then the Chairman of the Trump campaign. Don Jr. just confirmed that the Trump campaign tried to collude with the Russian government.
Excellent point, and JaKu is a senior advisor to the president and currently on the staff. Thus the Trump campaign and now the Trump administration are directly involved.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:20 am
Looks like the Times may have forced Jr's hand. They contacted him and told him they were about to publish the emails and that prompted the tweeting out of the emails himself.
His only defense now is, see I posted it, so I am not guilty. Or, I posted it, and since I posted it so freely, I didn't realize this was a crime.
His only defense now is, see I posted it, so I am not guilty. Or, I posted it, and since I posted it so freely, I didn't realize this was a crime.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by Idéfix Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:25 am
The Times has played this round very well. They got Don Jr. contradicting himself. And as they published this series of stories, they got more information from their sources.
A nice contrast to that story of the Ryan and McCarthy on tape around the same timeframe, with McCarthy swearing to God that Putin pays Trump, and Ryan telling people to keep that within the family. WaPo took a different approach there when Ryan and McCarthy denied the conversation ever took place. They told them they had the transcript; so Ryan and McCarthy immediately change their story to "it happened, but it was a joke." It would have been better to run the original report with the denial, and then post the transcript.
A nice contrast to that story of the Ryan and McCarthy on tape around the same timeframe, with McCarthy swearing to God that Putin pays Trump, and Ryan telling people to keep that within the family. WaPo took a different approach there when Ryan and McCarthy denied the conversation ever took place. They told them they had the transcript; so Ryan and McCarthy immediately change their story to "it happened, but it was a joke." It would have been better to run the original report with the denial, and then post the transcript.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jul 11, 2017 11:33 am
Latest defense is that collusion is not a crime.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by Idéfix Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:19 pm
First, it wasn't Russia that hacked the DNC. It was a 400 lb guy in his basement, or Chyna. Nobody knew for sure. Nobody, believe me.Latest defense is that collusion is not a crime.
Even if it was Russia, it wasn't the Russian government. Fake news.
Even if it was the Russian government, that wasn't done to help Trump. Fake News!
Even if it was done to help Trump, there were no contacts between Trump campaign and the Russians. FAKE NEWS!! Seth Rich.
Even if there were contacts between Trump campaign and Russians, they didn't mean to collude.
Even if they meant to collude, it isn't a crime. <== we are here now.
Even if it is a crime, we didn't know it was a crime so it was ok.
Even if we knew it was a crime, y'all deserved it because of Hitlary.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by Idéfix Tue Jul 11, 2017 12:27 pm
Two days before the meeting, Il Douche talked at a campaign rally about a speech he would give the following week about the Clintons.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MYvdDNNgYQ&feature=youtu.be&t=6m29s
"I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week. And we are going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you are going to find it very informative, and very very interesting."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MYvdDNNgYQ&feature=youtu.be&t=6m29s
"I am going to give a major speech on probably Monday of next week. And we are going to be discussing all of the things that have taken place with the Clintons. I think you are going to find it very informative, and very very interesting."
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Re: Donald Jr...
by MaxEntropy_Man Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:18 pm
Paul Ryan commenting on junior's behavior:
He’s just new to this. He doesn't yet know how not to commit collusion and treason. Give him time, he'll figure how to stop talking to the Russian government. I am not saying it's an acceptable excuse, it's just my observation.
He’s just new to this. He doesn't yet know how not to commit collusion and treason. Give him time, he'll figure how to stop talking to the Russian government. I am not saying it's an acceptable excuse, it's just my observation.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by Guest Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:31 pm
a little after 1:00 mark... 'if this lawyer was such a threat ... then why did Obama administration let her into this country in 2016 ... this lawyer ... eventually was allowed into this country btw, under president Obama ... this meeting could have been a setup made to give the appearance of Russian collusion ....!' 
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Re: Donald Jr...
by Idéfix Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:37 pm
As it turns out, the Obama state department did reject her visa...
http://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-secretly-met-rep-of-accused-russian-crime-family
Veselnitskaya was initially refused entry to the United States when she applied for a visa for herself and her children for the end of 2015. According to court files, she said she was granted a temporary “parole letter” allowing her into the country to assist her client Katsyv, who was facing a trial in the U.S. linked to his alleged part in the $230 million fraud uncovered by Magnitsky.
She applied in the Southern District of New York for that temporary access to be extended beyond Jan. 6, 2016, when it was due to expire. Court transcripts show that prosecutors were reluctant to give Veselnitskaya a blank check to remain in the U.S. while the case stalled.
"What we've told defense counsel, when they have asked for it to be extended, is we will reauthorize the immigration parole to allow them to attend for trial and for reasonable pretrial preparation once there is a trial date," said assistant U.S. attorney Paul Monteleoni. "We think that's really the end of the matter.”
A judge ordered an extension, with the expectation that trial would start soon.
The judge allowed her to stay only to defend a client in a criminal matter. Preet Bharara was the US Attorney overseeing that prosecution. Trump fired Bharara.
Sean Hannity doesn't understand the constitution. He doesn't know that judges don't work for the president.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/team-trump-secretly-met-rep-of-accused-russian-crime-family
Veselnitskaya was initially refused entry to the United States when she applied for a visa for herself and her children for the end of 2015. According to court files, she said she was granted a temporary “parole letter” allowing her into the country to assist her client Katsyv, who was facing a trial in the U.S. linked to his alleged part in the $230 million fraud uncovered by Magnitsky.
She applied in the Southern District of New York for that temporary access to be extended beyond Jan. 6, 2016, when it was due to expire. Court transcripts show that prosecutors were reluctant to give Veselnitskaya a blank check to remain in the U.S. while the case stalled.
"What we've told defense counsel, when they have asked for it to be extended, is we will reauthorize the immigration parole to allow them to attend for trial and for reasonable pretrial preparation once there is a trial date," said assistant U.S. attorney Paul Monteleoni. "We think that's really the end of the matter.”
A judge ordered an extension, with the expectation that trial would start soon.
The judge allowed her to stay only to defend a client in a criminal matter. Preet Bharara was the US Attorney overseeing that prosecution. Trump fired Bharara.
Sean Hannity doesn't understand the constitution. He doesn't know that judges don't work for the president.
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Re: Donald Jr...
by Idéfix Tue Jul 11, 2017 3:47 pm
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:Paul Ryan commenting on junior's behavior:
He’s just new to this. He doesn't yet know how not to commit collusion and treason. Give him time, he'll figure how to stop talking to the Russian government. I am not saying it's an acceptable excuse, it's just my observation.
here are a few more: https://such.forumotion.com/t43473-donald-jr#240088
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