Re: Nizam's generous side and love for books

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:38 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:the reason the Razakars would not have killed hindus for being hindus
You are giving reasons something that happened could not have happened. That's what Holocaust deniers do. That is also what apologists for assorted religious fundamentalists do.

Rashmun wrote:is because they hindu supporters which included several hindu mathas (and no doubt also their followers) and also several hindu landowners (and no doubt also their retinue because of feudal loyalty).
The "Hindu supporters of the Razakars" are a complete distraction. They were a tiny majority of Hindus. Razakars did target Hindu villagers arbitrarily. They didn't administer a survey asking people, "do you want integration with India" and then kill / rape only those who said yes.

If only you paused to think instead of being the monkey at the keyboard, you would have gotten this a few days ago.

did the Razakars kills members of the hindu mathas which supported them and also hindu landowners (and their retinue) who supported them?
No. Doesn't mean they didn't target Hindus.

But they did not target Hindus for being Hindus if they did not target members of the hindu mathas which supported them and also the hindu landowners (and their retinue) who supported them.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:39 pm

Rashmun was right all along. There was a generous side to the Nizam. This picture proves it.

Nizam's generous side and love for books - Page 6 Nizam-10

Instead of focusing on this obviously existent generous side, why is everybody obsessing about his other sides? Why oh why?

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:40 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:also rashmun some unsolicited advice -- don't get taken in by the nicey nice tamils who want to tell you what you want hear and write BS on the internet. the majority of them are fair but unyielding SOBs (just like me) on matters pertaining to language. you'll want to know this considering your future marital situation and relatives you are going to get through marital ties.

‘TN must be vanguard in promoting Hindi’

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THE HINDU
Justice V.S. Malimath, President and Chancellor of Dakshina Bharath
Hindi Prachar Sabha, Chennai, giving away the medal to rank student at a
function Tiruchi on Sunday.Photo: R.M. Rajarathinam

Having made signal contribution to the freedom
struggle, Tamil Nadu must be in the vanguard in promoting teaching of
our national language Hindi, Justice V.S. Malimath, Chancellor &
President Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Chennai, said here on
Sunday.
The national poet Subramania Bharathi in his
article Young India published in 1905 had emphasised the need and
importance of our people learning Hindi, Justice Malimath said, while
delivering the convocation address at the 13th Visharad Convocation of
Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Tamil Nadu.
"We
must remember that Hindi has a place of pride in the languages spoken in
the world, the language spoken by the third largest number of people in
the world next only to Chinese and English. Hindi is spoken by the
largest number of people in India." Justice Malimath said.
Founded
by Mahatma Gandhi in 1918, the Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha has a
unique and distinguished heritage and enjoys a pride of place in the
nation. People of South India are fortunate that they are blessed with
such a great institution to foster teaching of Hindi to our people. "We
must take full advantage of the same and become active participants in
the nation building activity", Justice Malimath pointed out.
It
was after an enormous struggle and great sacrifices that we were able
to break the shackles of slavery and become a free and independent
nation. People from all parts of India joined the freedom struggle
irrespective of their religion, caste, creed or language.
"People
of India must live together as members of one family if we have to
preserve Independence and maintain unity and integrity of our nation. It
is for this reason that the founding fathers of our constitution chose
Hindi our national language", Justice Malimath said. He congratulated
the students for attaining proficiency in Hindi.
Visharad
degree certificates were distributed to over 3,000 students on the
occasion. Rank holders of the exam and four senior Pracharaks were
honoured on the occasion.
The president, Dakshina
Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Tamil Nadu A.P.C.V. Chokkalingam presided
over the convocation. R.F. Nirlakatti, Pro Vice-Chancellor of Post
Graduate and Research Institute, Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha,
Chennai, First Vice President of Tamil Nadu Sabha S. Arunachalam, M.S.
Muralidharan, Second Vice President of the Sabha, Chennai, General
Secretary C.N.V. Annamalai and Second Vice President of the Tamil Nadu
Sabha S. Ravindran and others participated in the programme.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article71427.ece

PP Method! My argument is that there are many Tamilians who are supporters of Hindi/Hindustani. This was a very specific response to something Max had written in his post which you conveniently deleted out.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:43 pm

Rashmun wrote:But they did not target Hindus for being Hindus if they did not target members of the hindu mathas which supported them and also the hindu landowners (and their retinue) who supported them.

You are seriously logically-challenged.

I did not say, "the Razakars targeted every single Hindu." I said they targeted Hindus for simply being who they were -- Hindus -- without regard for their political views. They didn't ask Hindus, "sir / madam, do you support integration with India" before killing / raping them. They just did their deeds, and left you to cover for them. When it came to Muslims, however, they only targeted those who were opposed to the Nizam. The fact that they did not attempt to kill every Hindu does not mean that they did not target Hindus for being Hindus.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:45 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:also rashmun some unsolicited advice -- don't get taken in by the nicey nice tamils who want to tell you what you want hear and write BS on the internet. the majority of them are fair but unyielding SOBs (just like me) on matters pertaining to language. you'll want to know this considering your future marital situation and relatives you are going to get through marital ties.

‘TN must be vanguard in promoting Hindi’

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THE HINDU
Justice V.S. Malimath, President and Chancellor of Dakshina Bharath
Hindi Prachar Sabha, Chennai, giving away the medal to rank student at a
function Tiruchi on Sunday.Photo: R.M. Rajarathinam

Having made signal contribution to the freedom
struggle, Tamil Nadu must be in the vanguard in promoting teaching of
our national language Hindi, Justice V.S. Malimath, Chancellor &
President Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Chennai, said here on
Sunday.
The national poet Subramania Bharathi in his
article Young India published in 1905 had emphasised the need and
importance of our people learning Hindi, Justice Malimath said, while
delivering the convocation address at the 13th Visharad Convocation of
Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Tamil Nadu.
"We
must remember that Hindi has a place of pride in the languages spoken in
the world, the language spoken by the third largest number of people in
the world next only to Chinese and English. Hindi is spoken by the
largest number of people in India." Justice Malimath said.
Founded
by Mahatma Gandhi in 1918, the Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha has a
unique and distinguished heritage and enjoys a pride of place in the
nation. People of South India are fortunate that they are blessed with
such a great institution to foster teaching of Hindi to our people. "We
must take full advantage of the same and become active participants in
the nation building activity", Justice Malimath pointed out.
It
was after an enormous struggle and great sacrifices that we were able
to break the shackles of slavery and become a free and independent
nation. People from all parts of India joined the freedom struggle
irrespective of their religion, caste, creed or language.
"People
of India must live together as members of one family if we have to
preserve Independence and maintain unity and integrity of our nation. It
is for this reason that the founding fathers of our constitution chose
Hindi our national language", Justice Malimath said. He congratulated
the students for attaining proficiency in Hindi.
Visharad
degree certificates were distributed to over 3,000 students on the
occasion. Rank holders of the exam and four senior Pracharaks were
honoured on the occasion.
The president, Dakshina
Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Tamil Nadu A.P.C.V. Chokkalingam presided
over the convocation. R.F. Nirlakatti, Pro Vice-Chancellor of Post
Graduate and Research Institute, Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha,
Chennai, First Vice President of Tamil Nadu Sabha S. Arunachalam, M.S.
Muralidharan, Second Vice President of the Sabha, Chennai, General
Secretary C.N.V. Annamalai and Second Vice President of the Tamil Nadu
Sabha S. Ravindran and others participated in the programme.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article71427.ece

PP Method! My argument is that there are many Tamilians who are supporters of Hindi/Hindustani. This was a very specific response to something Max had written in his post which you conveniently deleted out.

You are really losing it. If you've still got it, that is.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:46 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:But they did not target Hindus for being Hindus if they did not target members of the hindu mathas which supported them and also the hindu landowners (and their retinue) who supported them.
You are seriously logically-challenged.

I did not say, "the Razakars targeted every single Hindu." I said they targeted Hindus for simply being who they were -- Hindus -- without regard for their political views. They didn't ask Hindus, "sir / madam, do you support integration with India" before killing / raping them. They just did their deeds, and left you to cover for them. When it came to Muslims, however, they only targeted those who were opposed to the Nizam. The fact that they did not attempt to kill every Hindu does not mean that they did not target Hindus for being Hindus.

it is you who is logically challenged. If a hindu were to be a member of a matha which supported the Razakars or if a hindu were a part of the retinue of the hindu landowners supporting the Razakars, would the Razakars still have gone ahead and killed them? Moreoever, the undergraduate thesis says that the number of people killed by the Razakars has been exaggerated.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:49 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
MaxEntropy_Man wrote:also rashmun some unsolicited advice -- don't get taken in by the nicey nice tamils who want to tell you what you want hear and write BS on the internet. the majority of them are fair but unyielding SOBs (just like me) on matters pertaining to language. you'll want to know this considering your future marital situation and relatives you are going to get through marital ties.

‘TN must be vanguard in promoting Hindi’

Staff Reporter

Share ·
print
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THE HINDU
Justice V.S. Malimath, President and Chancellor of Dakshina Bharath
Hindi Prachar Sabha, Chennai, giving away the medal to rank student at a
function Tiruchi on Sunday.Photo: R.M. Rajarathinam

Having made signal contribution to the freedom
struggle, Tamil Nadu must be in the vanguard in promoting teaching of
our national language Hindi, Justice V.S. Malimath, Chancellor &
President Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Chennai, said here on
Sunday.
The national poet Subramania Bharathi in his
article Young India published in 1905 had emphasised the need and
importance of our people learning Hindi, Justice Malimath said, while
delivering the convocation address at the 13th Visharad Convocation of
Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Tamil Nadu.
"We
must remember that Hindi has a place of pride in the languages spoken in
the world, the language spoken by the third largest number of people in
the world next only to Chinese and English. Hindi is spoken by the
largest number of people in India." Justice Malimath said.
Founded
by Mahatma Gandhi in 1918, the Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha has a
unique and distinguished heritage and enjoys a pride of place in the
nation. People of South India are fortunate that they are blessed with
such a great institution to foster teaching of Hindi to our people. "We
must take full advantage of the same and become active participants in
the nation building activity", Justice Malimath pointed out.
It
was after an enormous struggle and great sacrifices that we were able
to break the shackles of slavery and become a free and independent
nation. People from all parts of India joined the freedom struggle
irrespective of their religion, caste, creed or language.
"People
of India must live together as members of one family if we have to
preserve Independence and maintain unity and integrity of our nation. It
is for this reason that the founding fathers of our constitution chose
Hindi our national language", Justice Malimath said. He congratulated
the students for attaining proficiency in Hindi.
Visharad
degree certificates were distributed to over 3,000 students on the
occasion. Rank holders of the exam and four senior Pracharaks were
honoured on the occasion.
The president, Dakshina
Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Tamil Nadu A.P.C.V. Chokkalingam presided
over the convocation. R.F. Nirlakatti, Pro Vice-Chancellor of Post
Graduate and Research Institute, Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha,
Chennai, First Vice President of Tamil Nadu Sabha S. Arunachalam, M.S.
Muralidharan, Second Vice President of the Sabha, Chennai, General
Secretary C.N.V. Annamalai and Second Vice President of the Tamil Nadu
Sabha S. Ravindran and others participated in the programme.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article71427.ece

PP Method! My argument is that there are many Tamilians who are supporters of Hindi/Hindustani. This was a very specific response to something Max had written in his post which you conveniently deleted out.
You are really losing it. If you've still got it, that is.

I may or may not be losing it but you definitely lost your mind some time back when you started raving that Hyderabadi is distinct from Hindustani when it is universally accepted that Hyderabadi is a variant of Hindustani.
My post was not a distraction; it was a specific response to what Max had written in his post. But if you delete Max's words (which were a part of my post) then it does come across as a distraction which is exactly what you would fraudulently want to portray it as. PP Method!

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:51 pm

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:53 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:But they did not target Hindus for being Hindus if they did not target members of the hindu mathas which supported them and also the hindu landowners (and their retinue) who supported them.
You are seriously logically-challenged.

I did not say, "the Razakars targeted every single Hindu." I said they targeted Hindus for simply being who they were -- Hindus -- without regard for their political views. They didn't ask Hindus, "sir / madam, do you support integration with India" before killing / raping them. They just did their deeds, and left you to cover for them. When it came to Muslims, however, they only targeted those who were opposed to the Nizam. The fact that they did not attempt to kill every Hindu does not mean that they did not target Hindus for being Hindus.

it is you who is logically challenged. If a hindu were to be a member of a matha which supported the Razakars or if a hindu were a part of the retinue of the hindu landowners supporting the Razakars, would the Razakars still have gone ahead and killed them? Moreoever, the undergraduate thesis says that the number of people killed by the Razakars has been exaggerated.

Suppose you are a hindu in the Nizam's domain at that time and the Razakars have come to your house. Would they still go ahead and kill you if you shouted 'Long Live the Nizam' in Dakhini or if you claimed allegiance to a matha which supported the Nizam.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:58 pm

Rashmun wrote:Suppose you are a hindu in the Nizam's domain at that time and the Razakars have come to your house. Would they still go ahead and kill you if you shouted 'Long Live the Nizam' in Dakhini or if you claimed allegiance to a matha which supported the Nizam.

Suppose you are a Muslim, and lived in Gujarat. Suppose murderous mobs were going around your neighborhood killing Muslims. Suppose they might spare your life if you screamed "Long Live Narendra Modi" long and often enough. Would that make Narendra Modi secular?

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:04 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Suppose you are a hindu in the Nizam's domain at that time and the Razakars have come to your house. Would they still go ahead and kill you if you shouted 'Long Live the Nizam' in Dakhini or if you claimed allegiance to a matha which supported the Nizam.
Suppose you are a Muslim, and lived in Gujarat. Suppose murderous mobs were going around your neighborhood killing Muslims. Suppose they might spare your life if you screamed "Long Live Narendra Modi" long and often enough. Would that make Narendra Modi secular?

Whether Nizam was secular or not is a separate issue and can be discussed separately.

The point is that the Razakars were not targeting Hindus for being Hindus. They were targeting people who were against the continuance and preservation of the Nizam's state.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:06 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Suppose you are a hindu in the Nizam's domain at that time and the Razakars have come to your house. Would they still go ahead and kill you if you shouted 'Long Live the Nizam' in Dakhini or if you claimed allegiance to a matha which supported the Nizam.
Suppose you are a Muslim, and lived in Gujarat. Suppose murderous mobs were going around your neighborhood killing Muslims. Suppose they might spare your life if you screamed "Long Live Narendra Modi" long and often enough. Would that make Narendra Modi secular?

Whether Nizam was secular or not is a separate issue and can be discussed separately.

The point is that the Razakars were not targeting Hindus for being Hindus. They were targeting people who were against the continuance and preservation of the Nizam's state.

Nizam's generous side and love for books - Page 6 Images

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:07 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Suppose you are a hindu in the Nizam's domain at that time and the Razakars have come to your house. Would they still go ahead and kill you if you shouted 'Long Live the Nizam' in Dakhini or if you claimed allegiance to a matha which supported the Nizam.
Suppose you are a Muslim, and lived in Gujarat. Suppose murderous mobs were going around your neighborhood killing Muslims. Suppose they might spare your life if you screamed "Long Live Narendra Modi" long and often enough. Would that make Narendra Modi secular?

Whether Nizam was secular or not is a separate issue and can be discussed separately.

The point is that the Razakars were not targeting Hindus for being Hindus. They were targeting people who were against the continuance and preservation of the Nizam's state.

.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:10 pm

in another thread, Kinnera points out that KCR has praised the Nizam. I had pointed this out earlier. If the Nizam would have been a demonic person, and if the people of Telangana hated him, then it would have been political suicide for a prominent Telangana leader like KCR (who is moreover a Hindu) to have praised the Nizam.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:32 pm

We enter the Golden age of the Dakhni with the
emergence of its Golconda phase (1518-1687). Now Mullah Vajahi (d. about
1660) heads the caravan. He saw the rule of three Sultans—possibly
four. He was the court poet of the founder of Hyderabad – Mohd. Quli
Qutb Shah. He wrote a long allegorical poem - ‘Qutb Mushtari’. It is
supposed to be a dramatised fictitious version of the love story of
Mohd. Quli and Bhagmati and was highly flattering to his young patron.
Notice the original and lavish metaphors used by him when he describes
the celebrations on the birth of Mohd. Quli:
‘Because in this
gathering, angels had come to render service, the king gave them so much
gold that they made a new sky of gold. The sky itself was given so much
gold that it keeps on going round day and night to fine a place to keep
it (according to the belief of the age, prevalent in Urdu poetry even
till now, the sky gyrates). The earth itself was given so much wealth
that it is begging heavens for space to keep it. After all these
charities, the king himself celebrated the festival of spring (Basant)
with diamonds. On Muhammad Quli’s birth gold was distributed so
liberally that it has become cheaper than dirt. So many jewels and gems
were scattered all over that swans have started coming on land to pick
up their food. Because of the o the fall in its value, Gold has become
pale.’ Vajahi

Vajahi’s poem on ‘Love’ in
his prose work ‘Sabras’ is remarkable for its repetitive use of the word
‘Ishq’ (love) and its detailed exposition of the phenomenon of love:
‘Love
is week; love is strong. Love is wise; love is mad. Love shines by
itself; it looks good by itself. Who can control the wayward behaviour
of love? Love is sun; love is moon. Love is faith; love is belief. Love
is ruler. Love lights the skies; love illumines both the worlds...’

And so on it goes for a whole page.

In
the original Dakhni it has overpowering rhythm and sway of a ‘qawwali’.
I therefore included it as a qawwali in the film script that I wrote
for the Zee TV on the love story of Mohd. Quli and Bhagmati.
Similarly,
his discourse on ‘Aql’(wisdom) is a torrential flow of words, which is
untranslatable. Vajahi was very proud of Deccan – and Telangana. He
says:
‘There is no place like the Deccan; it abounds in the merited
Splendid Deccan crowns the head of other lands
Deccan is a special land; and Telangana is its heart’

If
ever a Telangana state is formed, doubtless Vajahi will be its patron
–poet. And his poem will perhaps provide a draft for the State anthem.

http://narendralutherarchives.blogspot.com/search/label/Dakhni

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:39 pm

Rashmun wrote:We enter the Golden age of the Dakhni with the
emergence of its Golconda phase (1518-1687). Now Mullah Vajahi (d. about
1660) heads the caravan. He saw the rule of three Sultans—possibly
four. He was the court poet of the founder of Hyderabad – Mohd. Quli
Qutb Shah. He wrote a long allegorical poem - ‘Qutb Mushtari’. It is
supposed to be a dramatised fictitious version of the love story of
Mohd. Quli and Bhagmati and was highly flattering to his young patron.
Notice the original and lavish metaphors used by him when he describes
the celebrations on the birth of Mohd. Quli:
‘Because in this
gathering, angels had come to render service, the king gave them so much
gold that they made a new sky of gold. The sky itself was given so much
gold that it keeps on going round day and night to fine a place to keep
it (according to the belief of the age, prevalent in Urdu poetry even
till now, the sky gyrates). The earth itself was given so much wealth
that it is begging heavens for space to keep it. After all these
charities, the king himself celebrated the festival of spring (Basant)
with diamonds. On Muhammad Quli’s birth gold was distributed so
liberally that it has become cheaper than dirt. So many jewels and gems
were scattered all over that swans have started coming on land to pick
up their food. Because of the o the fall in its value, Gold has become
pale.’ Vajahi

Vajahi’s poem on ‘Love’ in
his prose work ‘Sabras’ is remarkable for its repetitive use of the word
‘Ishq’ (love) and its detailed exposition of the phenomenon of love:
‘Love
is week; love is strong. Love is wise; love is mad. Love shines by
itself; it looks good by itself. Who can control the wayward behaviour
of love? Love is sun; love is moon. Love is faith; love is belief. Love
is ruler. Love lights the skies; love illumines both the worlds...’

And so on it goes for a whole page.

In
the original Dakhni it has overpowering rhythm and sway of a ‘qawwali’.
I therefore included it as a qawwali in the film script that I wrote
for the Zee TV on the love story of Mohd. Quli and Bhagmati.
Similarly,
his discourse on ‘Aql’(wisdom) is a torrential flow of words, which is
untranslatable. Vajahi was very proud of Deccan – and Telangana. He
says:
‘There is no place like the Deccan; it abounds in the merited
Splendid Deccan crowns the head of other lands
Deccan is a special land; and Telangana is its heart’

If
ever a Telangana state is formed, doubtless Vajahi will be its patron
–poet. And his poem will perhaps provide a draft for the State anthem.

http://narendralutherarchives.blogspot.com/search/label/Dakhni

it is quite remarkable that according to this writer the state anthem for a Telangana state, if it is ever formed, will be in Dakhini (and not in Telangana Telugu). Dakhini, of course, is a variant of the Hindustani language.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:48 pm

The seventh Nizam led a very simple life, yet he was one of the richest
men in the world. He donated generously to every cause in India as well
as abroad irrespective of caste and religion. If it was the Muslim
theological school at Deoband which received financial help, it was also
the privilege of the Benaras Hindu University. His list of donations
included Rabindranth Tagore’s Shantiniketan and several other
institutions including hospitals, schools, for famine relief, etc. The
golden temple in Amritsar also enjoyed an annual donation.

The Nizam’s rule saw the growth of Hyderabad economically and
culturally. Electricity, railways, roads and airways developed. Huge
reservoirs and irrigation projects such as the Tungabhadra, and
Nizamsagar were completed. The early work on Nagarjunasagar was
undertaken. The Osmania University, Colleges and Schools were founded
throughout the state. Nearly all the public buildings currently in such
as the Osmania General Hospital, High Court, Central State Library,
Assembly Hall, Jubilee Hall and other buildings in the Public Garden
were built during Osman Ali Khan’s reign.

Soon after India gained independence in 1947, all princely states were
invited to join the Republic. Nizam VII was reluctant to do so; but in
1948, after the
Police Action,
his state was merged into the Indian Union. Mir Osman Ali Khan, the
last Nizam, died on Friday 24 February 1967. It was the end of the
princely era.

http://www.hyderabad.co.uk/nizam.htm

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:19 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

‘TN must be vanguard in promoting Hindi’

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THE HINDU
Justice V.S. Malimath, President and Chancellor of Dakshina Bharath
Hindi Prachar Sabha, Chennai, giving away the medal to rank student at a
function Tiruchi on Sunday.Photo: R.M. Rajarathinam

Having made signal contribution to the freedom
struggle, Tamil Nadu must be in the vanguard in promoting teaching of
our national language Hindi, Justice V.S. Malimath, Chancellor &
President Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Chennai, said here on
Sunday.
The national poet Subramania Bharathi in his
article Young India published in 1905 had emphasised the need and
importance of our people learning Hindi, Justice Malimath said, while
delivering the convocation address at the 13th Visharad Convocation of
Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Tamil Nadu.
"We
must remember that Hindi has a place of pride in the languages spoken in
the world, the language spoken by the third largest number of people in
the world next only to Chinese and English. Hindi is spoken by the
largest number of people in India." Justice Malimath said.
Founded
by Mahatma Gandhi in 1918, the Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha has a
unique and distinguished heritage and enjoys a pride of place in the
nation. People of South India are fortunate that they are blessed with
such a great institution to foster teaching of Hindi to our people. "We
must take full advantage of the same and become active participants in
the nation building activity", Justice Malimath pointed out.
It
was after an enormous struggle and great sacrifices that we were able
to break the shackles of slavery and become a free and independent
nation. People from all parts of India joined the freedom struggle
irrespective of their religion, caste, creed or language.
"People
of India must live together as members of one family if we have to
preserve Independence and maintain unity and integrity of our nation. It
is for this reason that the founding fathers of our constitution chose
Hindi our national language", Justice Malimath said. He congratulated
the students for attaining proficiency in Hindi.
Visharad
degree certificates were distributed to over 3,000 students on the
occasion. Rank holders of the exam and four senior Pracharaks were
honoured on the occasion.
The president, Dakshina
Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha, Tamil Nadu A.P.C.V. Chokkalingam presided
over the convocation. R.F. Nirlakatti, Pro Vice-Chancellor of Post
Graduate and Research Institute, Dakshina Bharat Hindi Prachar Sabha,
Chennai, First Vice President of Tamil Nadu Sabha S. Arunachalam, M.S.
Muralidharan, Second Vice President of the Sabha, Chennai, General
Secretary C.N.V. Annamalai and Second Vice President of the Tamil Nadu
Sabha S. Ravindran and others participated in the programme.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/states/tamil-nadu/article71427.ece

PP Method! My argument is that there are many Tamilians who are supporters of Hindi/Hindustani. This was a very specific response to something Max had written in his post which you conveniently deleted out.
You are really losing it. If you've still got it, that is.

I may or may not be losing it but you definitely lost your mind some time back when you started raving that Hyderabadi is distinct from Hindustani when it is universally accepted that Hyderabadi is a variant of Hindustani.
My post was not a distraction; it was a specific response to what Max had written in his post. But if you delete Max's words (which were a part of my post) then it does come across as a distraction which is exactly what you would fraudulently want to portray it as. PP Method!

on re-reading some of the earlier posts, i find that Charvaka had in fact not deleted Max's words and hence it was wrong my part to have accused him of doing so.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:21 pm

Earlier Charvaka compares the Nizam with Hitler and the Nazis. But if the Nizam was so demonic, one would not have seen the existence of so many restaurants with his name. Like this one:

http://nizamindianfood.com/

by MaxEntropy_Man Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:22 pm

Rashmun wrote:

on re-reading some of the earlier posts, i find that Charvaka had in fact not deleted Max's words and hence it was wrong my part to have accused him of doing so.

as a penance, 100 times:

"duckini-cluckini delicious, amoool"

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 4:28 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:
Rashmun wrote:

on re-reading some of the earlier posts, i find that Charvaka had in fact not deleted Max's words and hence it was wrong my part to have accused him of doing so.

as a penance, 100 times:

"duckini-cluckini delicious, amoool"

in my opinion, it is wrong to make fun of any language which is dear to the hearts of many people. For instance:

opinion

Quo Vadis, Hyderabad?

Whatever happens, the Dakhni in their souls will unite the people of this city

Bakhtiar K. Dadabhoy
Union home minister P.
Chidambaram’s declaration on the midnight of December 9 that the Centre
would initiate the process of forming the state of Telangana seems to
have thrown most Hyderabadis into a severe identity crisis. The last
major upheaval relating to Telangana was in 1969. Forty years on,
Hyderabad finds itself caught once more in the political crossfire. In
the case of Telangana, it has not been ethnicity but socio-economic
deprivation resulting from political exclusion that has powered the
sinews of the demand for a separate state. Language and culture are no
longer a focal point of identity in the dynamics of federalism. It is
economics which determines the new federal politics. Telangana and
Andhra speak the same language but their economic interests are
diametrically opposed. In fact, the latter accuses coastal Andhra of
exploiting its resources.

There was a feeling (which still persists) that people from outside
(read Andhra) were carpetbaggers and not stakeholders in Hyderabad. In
part, this feeling can be explained by the fact that the feudal culture
of Hyderabad was unable to deal with the entrepreneurial spirit of the
people from Andhra. Their aggression and drive proved more than a
bellyful for the laidback Hyderabadis. Anyone who has lived in Hyderabad
will testify that ‘parsaun’, which in the Hindi heartland
means ‘the day after tomorrow’, can stretch from a week to never. To
live by such lexical precision is to create avoidable tension, and ever
since I moved to Secunderabad, I have tried to liberate myself from the
tyranny of the calendar and the clock in such matters.

Hyderabad has been the meeting place of many different cultures and
traditions. It has over the years developed its own distinctive
‘Ganga-Jamuna’ culture. Hyderabad is a cosmopolitan city: people never
identify themselves by their religion but only as Hyderabadis. Dussehra,
Diwali or Sankranti are all meant to be enjoyed, whether one is Hindu
or not. And Id brings celebrations not for a single community but for
the entire city. Faith is a personal matter and what unites one is the
sense of belonging to Hyderabad. (Old-timers say all this is a thing of
the past, but I believe such pessimism is unwarranted).

Language is not a problem. The unique lingua franca, Dakhni, one of
the most identifiable markers of Hyderabad, is a delicious blend of
Hindi, Urdu and Telugu, with a lacing of old Marathi. The plural
character of the city dates back to its founder, Quli Qutb Shah, who was
also a Telugu scholar. Geographically too, it is inclusive: the twin
cities, Hyderabad and Secunderabad, do not exhibit the cleavage in
environment that divides, say, South Mumbai and the suburbs, or the
Calcuttan whose life is confined south of Park Street. And now there is
also Cyberabad, as the 400-year-old city constantly reinvents itself.

Hyderabad is not only cosmopolitan but also a pan-Indian city. Since the
city was never ruled directly by the British (there was a Resident
stationed there), it owes its plural character not so much to the
British but to the Nizams, who encouraged Parsis, Kayasthas and
Maharashtrians to join the civil service. What is important is that the
inclusive nature of the city blended all these communities into a
harmonious whole, distinguished by the adoption, in their own manner, of
what is known as the ‘Hyderabadi tehzeeb’—the traditional composite of
civility, hospitality, courtesy and grace in social interaction, the
hallmark of which is respect and consideration. The outsider in
Hyderabad (though I believe that the city does not treat anyone as such)
does not jar. A posting in Hyderabad invariably ends with it being the
city of choice post-retirement, or at least the acquisition of some
property. Those who stay on mould their tastes and even language to the
habitat. There is no need or wish to retain separateness—all willingly
and happily submit to the warm embrace of the composite and cosmopolitan
culture of a city, where visitors as far back as 400 years were in no
hurry to leave once they had arrived.

My family, both from the paternal and maternal side, has lived in
Secunderabad for the last four generations. Both my paternal
great-grandfather and my grandfather served in the railways. I recollect
my late father recounting with great pride how his grandfather was an
‘officer’ who rode to the club in a dog-cart (a small two-wheeled buggy
drawn by a single horse). I was born in Secunderabad, but my father’s
peripatetic existence took us to all parts of the country. But wherever
our peregrinations took us, Secunderabad was always home. This was where
we belonged. As kids, my sister and I always looked forward to holidays
with my maternal grandmother. I vividly remember climbing a large
tamarind tree and also eating a little more imli than was good for me.

I recall an interesting anecdote about belonging to Secunderabad
involving my father and Morarji Desai, the former chief minister of
undivided Bombay, who later became prime minister. My father was a young
superintendent of police posted in Kutch in the mid-’60s. He had
arrested some Congress workers for disturbing the peace and Morarjibhai,
who was visiting the district as a Congress leader, asked to see him.
To his credit, the stern and austere Morarjibhai did not make the
arrests an issue. He only asked what they had done and readily accepted
my father’s version of their misdemeanours. But a grilling of a
different kind was in store. Knowing my father was a Parsi, Morarjibhai
asked him where he came from. “Mool vatni kyan na? (What is
your hometown?),” he asked him, only to receive what must have seemed to
him an astonishing answer: Secunderabad. “Can’t be,” he told my father
bluntly. “You have to be from Surat, Navsari, Bombay or somewhere on the
west coast.” After some very probing questions about our forbears, he
finally bullied my father into agreeing that we were originally from
Surat! Having conceded defeat, my father still managed to have the last
word: “My forefathers might have lived in Surat, Sir, but I am from
Secunderabad.”

“I am from Hyderabad.” That, for me, is the bottom line. Ultimately,
it is not important whether Hyderabad goes to Telangana or to Andhra, or
becomes a Union Territory or a joint capital. No doubt chauvinism,
economics and politics will all play a role when that decision is taken.
There are fears that ‘Brand Hyderabad’ will suffer. But let’s not sweat
the small stuff. Our concern should be about the disappearance of the
inclusive personality that Hyderabad fostered, reveling as it did in its
multi-religious and multilingual diversity—a composite character which
Nehru not only lauded but also hoped that the rest of India would
emulate. To anything which seeks to destroy this syncretism we must say a
polite ‘Nakko’, because ‘Hum logaan ko aisich rehna.’

(Bakhtiar K. Dadabhoy is a civil servant whose family has lived
in Hyderabad for over four generations. He is the author of five books,
including the bestselling Jeh: A Life of JRD Tata, and Sugar in Milk: Lives of Eminent Parsis.)
http://www.outlookindia.com/article.aspx?263401

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:10 pm

Rashmun wrote:in my opinion, it is wrong to make fun of any language which is dear to the hearts of many people.

Is this a personal subjective opinion or an absolute opinion? Because just this morning you seemed to approve of such "fun" to the point of wanting to post my guruvu-gaaru's posts mocking Telangana Telugu. Or for that matter hate-speech about an entire language group which you merrily scavenged for days on end.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:20 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:in my opinion, it is wrong to make fun of any language which is dear to the hearts of many people.
Is this a personal subjective opinion or an absolute opinion? Because just this morning you seemed to approve of such "fun" to the point of wanting to post my guruvu-gaaru's posts mocking Telangana Telugu. Or for that matter hate-speech about an entire language group which you merrily scavenged for days on end.

now that your crooked behavior wherein you tried to disassociate the Hyderabadi language from Dakhini (and hence from Hindustani) has been exposed it is natural to see you bringing in all kinds of meaningless digressions to try and change the topic.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:24 pm

Rashmun wrote:now that your crooked behavior wherein you tried to disassociate the Hyderabadi language from Dakhini

I thought according to you they are two names for the same thing. You did an entire thread calling Telangana Telugu an offshoot of Dakhni that rests on the assumption that they are the same. If they are two names for the same thing, how can anyone possibly dissociate them? I prefer the name Hyderabadi for my language -- not yours -- but you are welcome to use Duckini, Cluckini or anything else.

PS: It is not just duckini-cluckini that is delicious, but also your confusion on all matters to do with language.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:31 pm

And what's more delicious is your absolute hypocrisy. Just because you can't take it when someone mocks Dakhni, without a modicum of self-awareness, without thinking about what you did just this morning and weeks before that, you say this: "in my opinion, it is wrong to make fun of any language which is dear to the hearts of many people." Hahaha.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:33 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:now that your crooked behavior wherein you tried to disassociate the Hyderabadi language from Dakhini
I thought according to you they are two names for the same thing. You did an entire thread calling Telangana Telugu an offshoot of Dakhni that rests on the assumption that they are the same. If they are two names for the same thing, how can anyone possibly dissociate them? I prefer the name Hyderabadi for my language -- not yours -- but you are welcome to use Duckini, Cluckini or anything else.

PS: It is not just duckini-cluckini that is delicious, but also your confusion on all matters to do with language.

The 'Telangana Telugu is an offshoot of Dakhini' was not my view but the view of someone else which i posted. Moreover, even if it is an offshoot of Dakhini what it would mean is that Telangana Telugu evolved from Dakhini. Like how Hindi evolved from Sanskrit.

It is one thing for Max to refer to Dakhini as duckini-cluckini and another for a bonafide Hyderabadi to do so. In my opinion your zeal to disassociate yourself from Dakhini reveals your deep bias and prejudice against the muslims of your home state, since Dakhini was patronized by the muslim kings of Hyderabad. Otherwise there is no reason for you to kick your own culture.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:34 pm

Now that the discussion in this topic has moved beyond the Nizam and his generous side, this is an opportune time to summarize what we have discovered on this thread reading said generous side. The summary is: yes, Rashmun was right. The Nizam did have a visible generous side. We should not ignore that generous side.

Nizam's generous side and love for books - Page 6 Nizam-10

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:34 pm

charvaka wrote:And what's more delicious is your absolute hypocrisy. Just because you can't take it when someone mocks Dakhni, without a modicum of self-awareness, without thinking about what you did just this morning and weeks before that, you say this: "in my opinion, it is wrong to make fun of any language which is dear to the hearts of many people." Hahaha.

what i did this morning was to warn you and Max that if you mock the languages of other people, sooner or later other people will mock your languages. If you continue to mock Dakhini i do intend to post the views of sandilya on Telangana Telugu here so as to teach you a lesson in manners and courtesy.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:35 pm

charvaka wrote:Now that the discussion in this topic has moved beyond the Nizam and his generous side, this is an opportune time to summarize what we have discovered on this thread reading said generous side. The summary is: yes, Rashmun was right. The Nizam did have a visible generous side. We should not ignore that generous side.

Nizam's generous side and love for books - Page 6 Distra10

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:39 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:now that your crooked behavior wherein you tried to disassociate the Hyderabadi language from Dakhini
I thought according to you they are two names for the same thing. You did an entire thread calling Telangana Telugu an offshoot of Dakhni that rests on the assumption that they are the same. If they are two names for the same thing, how can anyone possibly dissociate them? I prefer the name Hyderabadi for my language -- not yours -- but you are welcome to use Duckini, Cluckini or anything else.

PS: It is not just duckini-cluckini that is delicious, but also your confusion on all matters to do with language.

I was born and brought up in Hyd. I lived there for more than two decades. Never have I in my entire life heard of anything called 'dakhni' for hyderabadi. Hyderabadi it is, not dakhni or sankni or lankhni (like the names of the ghosts).
And telangana is one of the dielects of telugu.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:44 pm

Rashmun wrote:It is one thing for Max to refer to Dakhini as duckini-cluckini and another for a bonafide Hyderabadi to do so. In my opinion your zeal to disassociate yourself from Dakhini reveals your deep bias and prejudice against the muslims of your home state, since Dakhini was patronized by the muslim kings of Hyderabad. Otherwise there is no reason for you to kick your own culture.

Far from kicking my culture, I am intimately familiar with it, and I take pride in Hyderabadi language and culture. Unlike you (who has admitted to worse knowledge of Hindi than a non-native speaker like myself), my appreciation for Hyderabadi is not based on some random dude's internet blog; it is based on direct experience and memory. I think Hyderabadi is an accurate name for the language I grew up with. If you want to call it Dakhni, or Duckini, or anything else, go ahead, I don't care either way.

I understand your need for a distraction here, the need to assure yourself that you at least landed one punch, what with you being showed up a fool on point after point. Sarojini Naidu, ~~not~~ deleting Max's comment, Majlis ban in 1946, Nizam's support for the communal party that you condemned "completely and unequivocally" before you knew the Nizam supported it, etc. So please go ahead and repeat that I am a fool, that I am a bigot, or my family this or that -- whatever makes you happy.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:46 pm

kinnera wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:now that your crooked behavior wherein you tried to disassociate the Hyderabadi language from Dakhini
I thought according to you they are two names for the same thing. You did an entire thread calling Telangana Telugu an offshoot of Dakhni that rests on the assumption that they are the same. If they are two names for the same thing, how can anyone possibly dissociate them? I prefer the name Hyderabadi for my language -- not yours -- but you are welcome to use Duckini, Cluckini or anything else.

PS: It is not just duckini-cluckini that is delicious, but also your confusion on all matters to do with language.

I was born and brought up in Hyd. I lived there for more than two decades. Never have I in my entire life heard of anything called 'dakhni' for hyderabadi. Hyderabadi it is, not dakhni or sankni or lankhni (like the names of the ghosts).
And telangana is one of the dielects of telugu.

Bakhtiar Dadabhoy, who wrote the Outlook article, is also a Hyderabadi and four generations of his ancestors have lived in Hyderabad. Dadabhoy says that the language of Hyderabad is Dakhni. He is right. Of course, the Dakhini of Bangalore is slightly different from the Dakhini of Hyderabad as has been pointed out earlier in another article which i have posted in this thread.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:47 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:And what's more delicious is your absolute hypocrisy. Just because you can't take it when someone mocks Dakhni, without a modicum of self-awareness, without thinking about what you did just this morning and weeks before that, you say this: "in my opinion, it is wrong to make fun of any language which is dear to the hearts of many people." Hahaha.

what i did this morning was to warn you and Max that if you mock the languages of other people, sooner or later other people will mock your languages. If you continue to mock Dakhini i do intend to post the views of sandilya on Telangana Telugu here so as to teach you a lesson in manners and courtesy.

One thing you should know about me is that I don't give in to threats. Go right ahead and do what you think is right. No, let me rephrase that. Go right ahead and do what in your opinion "is wrong." Whatever makes you happy.

Duckini-cluckini delicious, Amul!

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:48 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:It is one thing for Max to refer to Dakhini as duckini-cluckini and another for a bonafide Hyderabadi to do so. In my opinion your zeal to disassociate yourself from Dakhini reveals your deep bias and prejudice against the muslims of your home state, since Dakhini was patronized by the muslim kings of Hyderabad. Otherwise there is no reason for you to kick your own culture.
Far from kicking my culture, I am intimately familiar with it, and I take pride in Hyderabadi language and culture. Unlike you (who has admitted to worse knowledge of Hindi than a non-native speaker like myself), my appreciation for Hyderabadi is not based on some random dude's internet blog; it is based on direct experience and memory. I think Hyderabadi is an accurate name for the language I grew up with. If you want to call it Dakhni, or Duckini, or anything else, go ahead, I don't care either way.

I understand your need for a distraction here, the need to assure yourself that you at least landed one punch, what with you being showed up a fool on point after point. Sarojini Naidu, ~~not~~ deleting Max's comment, Majlis ban in 1946, Nizam's support for the communal party that you condemned "completely and unequivocally" before you knew the Nizam supported it, etc. So please go ahead and repeat that I am a fool, that I am a bigot, or my family this or that -- whatever makes you happy.

Dakhini is what someone who has been living in Hyderabad and whose ancestors have been residing in Hyderabad for four generations prefers to call the language (refer to the Outlook article which i posted earlier in this thread). Your own ancestors were not residing in Hyderabad; rather, they were residing in villages in Telangana. So it is understandable that you have less knowledge and less emotional attachment to Hyderabadi culture than someone whose ancestors have been residing in Hyderabad for four generations.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:50 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:And what's more delicious is your absolute hypocrisy. Just because you can't take it when someone mocks Dakhni, without a modicum of self-awareness, without thinking about what you did just this morning and weeks before that, you say this: "in my opinion, it is wrong to make fun of any language which is dear to the hearts of many people." Hahaha.

what i did this morning was to warn you and Max that if you mock the languages of other people, sooner or later other people will mock your languages. If you continue to mock Dakhini i do intend to post the views of sandilya on Telangana Telugu here so as to teach you a lesson in manners and courtesy.
One thing you should know about me is that I don't give in to threats. Go right ahead and do what you think is right. No, let me rephrase that. Go right ahead and do what in your opinion "is wrong." Whatever makes you happy.

Duckini-cluckini delicious, Amul!

Because he is communal, and has an inherent hatred for the muslims of Hyderabad, Charvaka ridicules the Dakhini language which was patronized by the muslim kings of Hyderabad and which is another name for the Hyderabadi language.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:52 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:And what's more delicious is your absolute hypocrisy. Just because you can't take it when someone mocks Dakhni, without a modicum of self-awareness, without thinking about what you did just this morning and weeks before that, you say this: "in my opinion, it is wrong to make fun of any language which is dear to the hearts of many people." Hahaha.

what i did this morning was to warn you and Max that if you mock the languages of other people, sooner or later other people will mock your languages. If you continue to mock Dakhini i do intend to post the views of sandilya on Telangana Telugu here so as to teach you a lesson in manners and courtesy.
One thing you should know about me is that I don't give in to threats. Go right ahead and do what you think is right. No, let me rephrase that. Go right ahead and do what in your opinion "is wrong." Whatever makes you happy.

Duckini-cluckini delicious, Amul!

Because he is communal, and has an inherent hatred for the muslims of Hyderabad, Charvaka ridicules the Dakhini language which was patronized by the muslim kings of Hyderabad and which is another name for the Hyderabadi language.

The reason why Charvaka hates Hyderabadi muslims is because some of them came along and beat up his ancestors during the rule of the Nizam. (He himself admits that they fought against the Nizams.)

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:53 pm

Rashmun wrote:
Because he is communal, and has an inherent hatred for the muslims of Hyderabad, Charvaka ridicules the Dakhini language which was patronized by the muslim kings of Hyderabad and which is another name for the Hyderabadi language.

The only person who has been established to be communal on this thread is His Exalted Highness. Please refer to the chart below for clarifications.

Nizam's generous side and love for books - Page 6 Nizam-10

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:54 pm

Rashmun wrote:The reason why Charvaka hates Hyderabadi muslims is because some of them came along and beat up his ancestors during the rule of the Nizam. (He himself admits that they fought against the Nizams.)

I don't hate Hyderabadi Muslims. Anybody who has read my posts on CH over the years knows that. But don't let me interrupt the ancestor-worship rituals. Carry on.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:55 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The reason why Charvaka hates Hyderabadi muslims is because some of them came along and beat up his ancestors during the rule of the Nizam. (He himself admits that they fought against the Nizams.)
I don't hate Hyderabadi Muslims. Anybody who has read my posts on CH over the years knows that. But don't let me interrupt the ancestor-worship rituals. Carry on.

Behind the facade of secularism lies someone with a deep bias and prejudice against the muslims of Hyderabad who beat up Charvaka's ancestors. Hence his ridiculing of the Dakhini language which was patronized by the muslim kings of Hyderabad.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:56 pm

Rashmun wrote:Dakhini is what someone who has been living in Hyderabad and whose ancestors have been residing in Hyderabad for four generations prefers to call the language (refer to the Outlook article which i posted earlier in this thread). Your own ancestors were not residing in Hyderabad; rather, they were residing in villages in Telangana. So it is understandable that you have less knowledge and less emotional attachment to Hyderabadi culture than someone whose ancestors have been residing in Hyderabad for four generations.

One internet blogger > all the people I have ever met and talked to in Hyderabadi about Hyderabadi. Got it.

Duckini-cluckini delicious.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:58 pm

[quote="Rashmun"]

kinnera wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:now that your crooked behavior wherein you tried to disassociate the Hyderabadi language from Dakhini
I thought accor

Bakhtiar Dadabhoy, who wrote the Outlook article, is also a Hyderabadi and four generations of his ancestors have lived in Hyderabad. Dadabhoy says that the language of Hyderabad is Dakhni. He is right. Of course, the Dakhini of Bangalore is slightly different from the Dakhini of Hyderabad as has been pointed out earlier in another article which i have posted in this thread.

Someone writes something and you take it as a gospel? How foolish can that be? Wonder if you have been to hyd even once in your life. You read some article somewhere and claim to be an authority, even challenging the ones who grew up in that culture. Go ask any one of the millions of hyderabadis if they ever heard of anything called 'dakni', that the language that they talk 24/7 is called 'dakhni'. They'll give you a 'what the heck are you talking abt. u crazy?' look.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:59 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The reason why Charvaka hates Hyderabadi muslims is because some of them came along and beat up his ancestors during the rule of the Nizam. (He himself admits that they fought against the Nizams.)
I don't hate Hyderabadi Muslims. Anybody who has read my posts on CH over the years knows that. But don't let me interrupt the ancestor-worship rituals. Carry on.

Behind the facade of secularism lies someone with a deep bias and prejudice against the muslims of Hyderabad who beat up Charvaka's ancestors. Hence his ridiculing of the Dakhini language which was patronized by the muslim kings of Hyderabad.

Nonsense. On this thread, you have supported a traitor who supporter Pakistan while India was at war with that country. You have supported mass murderers who killed innocent people -- mostly Hindus but some Muslims as well. In the past you have exhibited bigotry towards Telugu people. You lost your veneer of intellectualism a while ago -- although you don't seem to be aware of the loss.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:00 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:Dakhini is what someone who has been living in Hyderabad and whose ancestors have been residing in Hyderabad for four generations prefers to call the language (refer to the Outlook article which i posted earlier in this thread). Your own ancestors were not residing in Hyderabad; rather, they were residing in villages in Telangana. So it is understandable that you have less knowledge and less emotional attachment to Hyderabadi culture than someone whose ancestors have been residing in Hyderabad for four generations.
One internet blogger > all the people I have ever met and talked to in Hyderabadi about Hyderabadi. Got it.

Duckini-cluckini delicious.

You did not know about Bibi Nancharamma despite being from Hyderabad. Your knowledge about your own state seems rather miniscule.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:02 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:The reason why Charvaka hates Hyderabadi muslims is because some of them came along and beat up his ancestors during the rule of the Nizam. (He himself admits that they fought against the Nizams.)
I don't hate Hyderabadi Muslims. Anybody who has read my posts on CH over the years knows that. But don't let me interrupt the ancestor-worship rituals. Carry on.

Behind the facade of secularism lies someone with a deep bias and prejudice against the muslims of Hyderabad who beat up Charvaka's ancestors. Hence his ridiculing of the Dakhini language which was patronized by the muslim kings of Hyderabad.
Nonsense. On this thread, you have supported a traitor who supporter Pakistan while India was at war with that country. You have supported mass murderers who killed innocent people -- mostly Hindus but some Muslims as well. In the past you have exhibited bigotry towards Telugu people. You lost your veneer of intellectualism a while ago -- although you don't seem to be aware of the loss.

the person you call 'traitor' enjoys support amongst many hyderabadi hindus and i have posted many articles in this thread itself to prove this. One of the most important leaders of Telangana, KCR, glorifies him. Should we believe that all these people are traitors or should we believe that you have developed a deep bias and prejudice against the Nizam because of which you are unable to recognize the good things he did, because some of his men beat up your ancestors.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:08 pm

Rashmun wrote:the person you call 'traitor'

You agreed he is a traitor. Here: It is also true--from an Indian perspective-- that the Nizam was a traitor to India.

Hope that helps.

PS: Don't worry, I haven't called you a traitor. Unlike you, I don't believe in wildly flinging random accusations like monkeys fling their own feces. When I accuse you of something, I make sure there's good, reasonable evidence for it. I only accuse you of supporting a traitor.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:13 pm

charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:the person you call 'traitor'
You agreed he is a traitor. Here: It is also true--from an Indian perspective-- that the Nizam was a traitor to India.

Hope that helps.

PS: Don't worry, I haven't called you a traitor. Unlike you, I don't believe in wildly flinging random accusations like monkeys fling their own feces. When I accuse you of something, I make sure there's good, reasonable evidence for it. I only accuse you of supporting a traitor.

Of course he is a traitor from an Indian perspective for not agreeing to merge his kingdom with India. But he was not a traitor when he did good things for his state like constructing the Nizamsagar which supplies drinking water even today to Hyderabad and Secunderabad and also for constructing various landmark buildings in Hyderabad. Also, he gave full support to many colleages and universities, scholarships to students irrespective of religion and caste, and gave attention to health care. Primary Education was made compulsory by the Nizam.

When judging the Nizam we need to analyze him without any bias or prejudice in accordance with what the great Kashmiri historian Kalhana says (I gave Kalhana's quote earlier in this thread).
Unfortunately your deep hatred and prejudice against the Nizam, because his men beat up some of your ancestors, means you are unable to analyze him in the way Kalhana would have approved of.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:17 pm

Rashmun wrote:
charvaka wrote:
Rashmun wrote:the person you call 'traitor'
You agreed he is a traitor. Here: It is also true--from an Indian perspective-- that the Nizam was a traitor to India.

Hope that helps.

PS: Don't worry, I haven't called you a traitor. Unlike you, I don't believe in wildly flinging random accusations like monkeys fling their own feces. When I accuse you of something, I make sure there's good, reasonable evidence for it. I only accuse you of supporting a traitor.

Of course he is a traitor from an Indian perspective for not agreeing to merge his kingdom with India. But he was not a traitor when he did good things for his state like constructing the Nizamsagar which supplies drinking water even today to Hyderabad and Secunderabad and also for constructing various landmark buildings in Hyderabad. Also, he gave full support to many colleages and universities, scholarships to students irrespective of religion and caste, and gave attention to health care. Primary Education was made compulsory by the Nizam.

When judging the Nizam we need to analyze him without any bias or prejudice in accordance with what the great Kashmiri historian Kalhana says (I gave Kalhana's quote earlier in this thread).
Unfortunately your deep hatred and prejudice against the Nizam, because his men beat up some of your ancestors, means you are unable to analyze him in the way Kalhana would have approved of.

This is what Kalhana, one of the greatest of all historians India has produced, had said:

That noble-minded poet alone merits praise whose word, like
the sentence of a judge, keeps free from love or hatred in recording the
past.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:19 pm

kinnera wrote:Someone writes something and you take it as a gospel? How foolish can that be? Wonder if you have been to hyd even once in your life. You read some article somewhere and claim to be an authority, even challenging the ones who grew up in that culture. Go ask any one of the millions of hyderabadis if they ever heard of anything called 'dakni', that the language that they talk 24/7 is called 'dakhni'. They'll give you a 'what the heck are you talking abt. u crazy?' look.

Max gave some excellent advice to Rashmun the other day in this connection.

you are a prime example of how our education system does not foster
critical thinking skills. if something is printed somewhere, that
doesn't mean it is automatically true. you have to be particularly
careful in this internet era when any monkey with an internet connection
and a keyboard can wreak havoc on hapless individuals like you.

by Guest Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:20 pm

charvaka wrote:
kinnera wrote:Someone writes something and you take it as a gospel? How foolish can that be? Wonder if you have been to hyd even once in your life. You read some article somewhere and claim to be an authority, even challenging the ones who grew up in that culture. Go ask any one of the millions of hyderabadis if they ever heard of anything called 'dakni', that the language that they talk 24/7 is called 'dakhni'. They'll give you a 'what the heck are you talking abt. u crazy?' look.
Max gave some excellent advice to Rashmun the other day in this connection.

you are a prime example of how our education system does not foster
critical thinking skills. if something is printed somewhere, that
doesn't mean it is automatically true. you have to be particularly
careful in this internet era when any monkey with an internet connection
and a keyboard can wreak havoc on hapless individuals like you.

your deep bias and prejudice against the Nizam, because his men beat up some of your ancestors, means you will continue to ignore the wise words of Kalhana of Kashmir and keep talking nonsense.

by charvaka Wed Apr 25, 2012 6:26 pm

Rashmun wrote:When judging the Nizam we need to analyze him without any bias or prejudice in accordance with what the great Kashmiri historian Kalhana says

I completely agree. This is why I have accepted that you were right about the Nizam's generous side. The Nizam does have a generous side, and we all need to acknowledge that. I have acknowledged the Nizam's generous side in appropriate proportion to all his other sides in my chart that summarizes this thread. I like to focus on the positives in people, so have also chosen to highlight the generous side with a red arrow and with the generous side's label in bold, large, red letters while all other sides are arrowless and their labels are relegated to smaller, blacker, thinner fonts. This shows my complete lack of bias and prejudice. I am telling the facts as they are.

Nizam's generous side and love for books - Page 6 Nizam-10

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