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sorry to rain on obama love fest
by truthbetold Thu May 10, 2012 11:27 pm
In some of the other threads there seems to be a never ending praise convention going on.
Obama showed as much courage as mittromney did when he switched to supporting anti abortion crowd. Gay marriage is a dem issue and right wing got as much from it as can over the past few rounds of national elections. Dems calculated min residual vote loss versus gain in some passionate support. Yes. It has some risk. May be more risk than driving to your mall but it was not difficult or earth shattering de ision for obama. If he stuck to his original belief it would have been more surprising.
Stimulus autobailout healthcare are all part of a dems normal political book. Nothing surprising about those things. A realistic approach to cut entitlements for thenlongterm welfare og usa would require courage. He mentions it but does not puzh it.
Marriage is a social arrangement between man and woman. Such families formed the.nucleus of humannsociety. Do not confuse gay union with marriage. It is a political tactic to assign social equilency between gay union and marriage. It is a back door method to gain legal rights using the marriage name.
Obama showed as much courage as mittromney did when he switched to supporting anti abortion crowd. Gay marriage is a dem issue and right wing got as much from it as can over the past few rounds of national elections. Dems calculated min residual vote loss versus gain in some passionate support. Yes. It has some risk. May be more risk than driving to your mall but it was not difficult or earth shattering de ision for obama. If he stuck to his original belief it would have been more surprising.
Stimulus autobailout healthcare are all part of a dems normal political book. Nothing surprising about those things. A realistic approach to cut entitlements for thenlongterm welfare og usa would require courage. He mentions it but does not puzh it.
Marriage is a social arrangement between man and woman. Such families formed the.nucleus of humannsociety. Do not confuse gay union with marriage. It is a political tactic to assign social equilency between gay union and marriage. It is a back door method to gain legal rights using the marriage name.
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Re: sorry to rain on obama love fest
by Idéfix Thu May 10, 2012 11:36 pm
Think about North Carolina. And repeat the thought process with all major swing states. Obama's coalition consists of Latino and black voters; both groups are on average more opposed to same-sex marriage than the general population. So, as Obama said in the ABC News interview, how this cuts politically is not at all clear.truthbetold wrote:Yes. It has some risk. May be more risk than driving to your mall but it was not difficult or earth shattering de ision for obama.
He pushed it with Boehner. Boehner didn't want to do a deal.truthbetold wrote:A realistic approach to cut entitlements for thenlongterm welfare og usa would require courage. He mentions it but does not puzh it.
Not at all. It is a matter of equal rights. Religious groups are welcome to have their own definitions of marriage, but the state ought to accord the same rights and privileges to all citizens, regardless of race, ethnicity, or sexual orientation. Just like laws prohibiting inter-racial marriages were an overreach, so in my opinion are anti-same-sex-marriage laws.truthbetold wrote:It is a political tactic to assign social equilency between gay union and marriage. It is a back door method to gain legal rights using the marriage name.
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Re: sorry to rain on obama love fest
by Idéfix Thu May 10, 2012 11:49 pm
Here is Politico on the seven states that Obama risks because of his same-sex marriage stance. The key ones to note are North Carolina, Colorado, Florida and Ohio where this can make the difference in the final analysis.
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76143.html
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0512/76143.html
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Re: sorry to rain on obama love fest
by truthbetold Thu May 10, 2012 11:54 pm
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Right wing canvassed for atlrast 4 plus years that obama sleeps with gay crowd. Other than few residual votes not much will change. Latinos and blacks can separate obama and gay issue just like catholics vote dem despite abortion.
I did not follow thewhole story but this whole change of heart could have been choreographed.
Right wing canvassed for atlrast 4 plus years that obama sleeps with gay crowd. Other than few residual votes not much will change. Latinos and blacks can separate obama and gay issue just like catholics vote dem despite abortion.
I did not follow thewhole story but this whole change of heart could have been choreographed.
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Re: sorry to rain on obama love fest
by truthbetold Fri May 11, 2012 12:00 am
Panini
Boehner was a known dead end. Why is he not going to people? Probably it is not going to get.him additional votes. Now doing that is a suicidal risk. Takes tons ofcourage for dem presidential candidate.
Boehner was a known dead end. Why is he not going to people? Probably it is not going to get.him additional votes. Now doing that is a suicidal risk. Takes tons ofcourage for dem presidential candidate.
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Re: sorry to rain on obama love fest
by truthbetold Fri May 11, 2012 12:15 am
Panini
Right wing was wrong about denying civil rights to gays. Extremist propaganda mayhave peak ed . Not many votes are there tobeswayed.
However gay union is arecent social phenomena. Call..ing iit a marra iage is nonsensical. Give it a different name and pass laws to support gay civil rights. A legal set up to match marriage related rights could be a possibility. But calling gay union is a marriage is an un critical un scientific approach. It is a politicallyexpedient act. 'Pulini choosi nakka vatalu pettukkunnatlu'
Right wing was wrong about denying civil rights to gays. Extremist propaganda mayhave peak ed . Not many votes are there tobeswayed.
However gay union is arecent social phenomena. Call..ing iit a marra iage is nonsensical. Give it a different name and pass laws to support gay civil rights. A legal set up to match marriage related rights could be a possibility. But calling gay union is a marriage is an un critical un scientific approach. It is a politicallyexpedient act. 'Pulini choosi nakka vatalu pettukkunnatlu'
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