MaxEntropy_Man wrote:idiotic.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:idiotic.

Tracy Whitney wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:idiotic.

been a while sine I saw it, but the movie (Padoson) was really funny. one of the biggest hits of all times. watch it if you can. and mehmood's character was more loved than mocked.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:idiotic.

do you find peter sellers' blackface depiction, not that there is anything wrong with it, of an indian as a simple-hearted, buffoon in the party idiotic too?

Tracy Whitney wrote:
been a while sine I saw it, but the movie (Padoson) was really funny. one of the biggest hits of all times. watch it if you can. and mehmood's character was more loved than mocked.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Tracy Whitney wrote:
been a while sine I saw it, but the movie (Padoson) was really funny. one of the biggest hits of all times. watch it if you can. and mehmood's character was more loved than mocked.

yeah i've heard that thing repeated on many other boards and the person who says it is almost always a northindian.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Tracy Whitney wrote:
been a while sine I saw it, but the movie (Padoson) was really funny. one of the biggest hits of all times. watch it if you can. and mehmood's character was more loved than mocked.

yeah i've heard that thing repeated on many other boards and the person who says it is almost always a northindian.

max do you find the depiction of a south indian in this song offensive?

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:idiotic.

do you find peter sellers' blackface depiction, not that there is anything wrong with it, of an indian as a simple-hearted, buffoon in the party idiotic too?

i don't know i haven't seen the movie but since you have, let me ask you the following q: does the movie make fun of the indianness of the character or his general bungling ways, similar to inspector jacques closeau in the pink panther movies also played by the same actor?

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It is based on a Bengali story "Pasher Bari" [2] by Arun Chowdhury, which was first adapted in Bengali in 1952 as Pasher Bari directed by Sudhir Mukherjee and starring Bhanu Bannerjee.[3] It was made in Telugu as Pakkinti Ammayi (1953)[4] starring Anjali Devi, Relangi, and singer A. M. Rajah, in Tamil as Adutha Veettu Penn (1960). It was again remade into the Telugu film Pakkinti Ammayi (1981) starring Jayasudha, K. Chakravarthi and S.P. Balasubrahmanyam. In Kannada as 'Pakkadamane Hudugi' (2003) starring Raghavendra Rajkumar and Anant Nag.

Reportedly the song 'Ek Chatur Naar' (a duet by Kishore Kumar and Manna Dey) was partly improvised by Kishore Kumar at the time of recording and Manna Dey, determined to show Kishore Kumar how he would sing the duet better (since Kishore had not been trained classically), got into the mood of the song and immortalized 'Ek Chatur Naar'. Legend also has it that Manna Dey was upset by the fact that in the picturisation of the song, the singing competition between the two heroes (Dutt and Mehmood) was won by Dutt, for whom the background singing was done by Kishore. Dey didn't like the fact that a classically trained singer like himself would have to lose, though only on-screen, to an un-trained singer (Kishore). In the song, at a couple of times Mehmood had to say "sur gadbad jee" against Sunil Dutt where Kishore was singing hence Dey refused to say those words so Mehmood gave his own voice for the same.

Tracy Whitney wrote:Sunil Dutt a panjabi.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:it is not my intention to defend or criticize alternate versions of this disgusting movie. i have a vague recollection of aduththa vIttuppeNN and i don't remember this specific type of idiotic stereotyping of any group. anyway that's besides the point.

the fact that no southern indian here with the exception of TBT has said that they enjoyed this characterization tells you something -- they haven't seen the movie or that they dislike it (aside: they may chime in now and say they enjoyed it, especially because i've said this). the former is less likely because there are certain things about indian popular culture that one can't easily escape growing up and this ugly movie is one of them.

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:

Tracy Whitney wrote:

on another note, should short statured men find this song offensive?

garam_kuta wrote:Perhaps the legacy of colonialism and reverence for the mythical tall europeans i don't know - another irony the mainstream brits men particularly, were mostly of the same height and stout as the indians.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:Perhaps the legacy of colonialism and reverence for the mythical tall europeans i don't know - another irony the mainstream brits men particularly, were mostly of the same height and stout as the indians.

Could be. I suppose it is harmless as long as it remains confined to the silver screen and the momentary hours of "suspended disbelief' it induces. Spill over can be dangerous but we are also a free society insofar as watching desired content in a movie goes.

But what you say about AB is not entirely true either. AB was a flop hero for a long time - his height and chiselled jaw line did not help. In fact his failure and lack of offers were attributed to his disproportionate height that dwarfed heroines. He ran into luck when he "invented" the "angry young man" role that resonated with the frustrated youths of the 70s. Later, by when he had tasted success, he switched to comedy and proved his versatility. I don't think we have any other example of a 6'3" hero -- his son maybe?

There are many things I don't like about him btw.