MaxEntropy_Man wrote:india's new english only generation:

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/indias-new-english-only-generation/

Rashmun wrote:CHENNAI: Efforts need to be taken to strengthen Hindi as a common language across India, even as many languages continue to flourish unhindered, said Tamil Nadu Governor K Rosaiah said. Speaking at the World Hindi Day celebrations at a function at the Raj Bhavan, Rosaiah said the bond of national unity could be strengthened only through a common language.

“When we see the history of the evolution of Indian languages, all letters belong to two families. One is the Aryan family and the other is the Dravidian family. Each and every language plays its own role in the composite culture of our country and there should be no competition between languages,” said the Governor. “Along with the growth of regional language, we need a common language for facilitating free and easy inter communication,” he added.

“The spirit of human feeling is one and it is the same in any language it is expressed. We need to strengthen this bond of unity. The unity of India lies in the art, music, drama and in languages of our country,” Rosaiah said.

The sixth World Hindi Day celebrations were organised by the Tamil Nadu Hindi Academy in association with the Dharmamurthi Rao Bahadur Calavala Cunnan Chetty Hindu College. Even as the programme was conducted entirely in Hindi, it stuck to protocol and began with the Tamil Thaai Vazhthu, with many of the Hindi scholars present singing the official State song.

Rosaiah, who is known to be fluent in a number of languages, chose to address the gathering in English, instead of Hindi.

“More and more people are learning Hindi in the South. This is especially true in Tamil Nadu. Hindi is growing. It is now taught in 165 universities around the world,” noted Balashowri Reddy, president of the Tamil Nadu Hindi Academy.

A Kanagaraj, chairman of the Jaya Group of Institutions, called on Hindi institutions and scholars to abandon their strong urban bias and look towards rural India. The depth of language and its understanding in rural India must not be underestimated, he said, offering his institution’s support for any rural programmes for language development.

DRBCCC Hindu College principal S Kalpana Bai, TNHA senior patron MK Mohan and TNHA working president RM Srinivasan were among those who took part in the function, in which a number of scholars of Hindi as well as those of other languages were felicitated by the Governor.

http://expressbuzz.com/topic/bond-of-national-unity-could-be-strengthened/352064.html

Rashmun wrote:

clarification: K. Rosaiah, the polyglot governor of TN, is himself a telugu.

kinnera wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

clarification: K. Rosaiah, the polyglot governor of TN, is himself a telugu.

I suspect he knows much hindi, though they say he's multilingual. He's from the coastal/andhra region, not telangana. Ppl in that area (and also from the Rayalaseema region) know as much hindi as anyone from say, Madhurai or Tanjavore. Very little. No wonder he gave the speech in english.

btw Rashmun, what are the nothies doing for national integration? How much/what is their effort towards it?

Depressing article, max. Bad that future indian citizens are going to be just monolingual. Regional languages are going to take a big blow coz of english. Not a good situation.

PS: I'm out before I get sucked in deeply into these discussions.

Rashmun wrote:

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:india's new english only generation:

http://india.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/06/01/indias-new-english-only-generation/

english is not the language of the common man in India; rather, it is the language of the elites. It is ridiculous to imagine someone earning twenty or thirty rupees a day to be speaking in english.

indophile wrote:I thought Rosiah is from Kurnool, so uncharacteristically gutless if Telugu movies are to be believed.

kinnera wrote:There was no india or north india at the time. It originated in the current Pakistan and Afghanistan too. Don't give any bullshit.

What are the current day north indians doing towards national integration?

kinnera wrote:

indophile wrote:I thought Rosiah is from Kurnool, so uncharacteristically gutless if Telugu movies are to be believed.

Isn't he from Guntur? I'm certain he's not from Kurnool. Kurnool is in Rayalaseema. Rayalaseema-ites are pretty bad in their knowledge of hindi too.

kinnera wrote:There was no india or north india at the time. It originated in the current Pakistan and Afghanistan too. Don't give any bullshit.

What are the current day north indians doing towards national integration?

Rashmun wrote:

kinnera wrote:

indophile wrote:I thought Rosiah is from Kurnool, so uncharacteristically gutless if Telugu movies are to be believed.

Isn't he from Guntur? I'm certain he's not from Kurnool. Kurnool is in Rayalaseema. Rayalaseema-ites are pretty bad in their knowledge of hindi too.

i had an ex-colleague from rayalaseema whose hindi was not bad; he could definitely communicate in hindi. i had another ex-colleague from coastal andhra whose hindi was quite good. it is possible that my ex-colleagues do not represent the average person from rayalaseema and coastal andhra.

kinnera wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

kinnera wrote:

indophile wrote:I thought Rosiah is from Kurnool, so uncharacteristically gutless if Telugu movies are to be believed.

Isn't he from Guntur? I'm certain he's not from Kurnool. Kurnool is in Rayalaseema. Rayalaseema-ites are pretty bad in their knowledge of hindi too.

i had an ex-colleague from rayalaseema whose hindi was not bad; he could definitely communicate in hindi. i had another ex-colleague from coastal andhra whose hindi was quite good. it is possible that my ex-colleagues do not represent the average person from rayalaseema and coastal andhra.

If you understood that, you won't even mention your ex-colleagues.
I am from the Rayalaseema region, but grew up in Hyd. It could be the same situation with your ex-colleagues.

Rashmun wrote:

kinnera wrote:There was no india or north india at the time. It originated in the current Pakistan and Afghanistan too. Don't give any bullshit.

What are the current day north indians doing towards national integration?

Kinnera, please share your thoughts on the following:

If I remember correctly from news in the media at that time, Bansi Lal (then CM of Haryana) proposed that Telugu would be taught as 2nd language in Haryana schools leading to future Haryanavis knowing at least two Indian languages, one from North India (Hindi) and the other from South India (Telugu). It was not something planned at the expense of any other language, Punjabi and English for example. The state government was still interested in teaching English etc. in schools, in addition to Telugu as state’s 2nd language.

Haryana Govt. also had the plans, if I remember correctly, to have a special ‘sister states’ relationship between Haryana and Andhra, on the model of sister-cities. Unfortunately, it seems to have been only one-sided ‘love affair’, mainly on the part of Haryana, with little enthusiasm and response from Andhra. Andhra politicians probably did not see much benefit from such cozy relationship with a remote northern state, and might have thought that if Andhras were going to put any effort in north India, it might be better to do with Delhi, for a bigger piece of pie, rather than Haryana or Chandigarh, having little to offer. Needless to say, this one-sided undertaking on the part of Haryanavis, with respect to Andhra and Telugu, was not going to succeed, and that’s what happened.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?27254-Tamil-second-language-of-Haryana

kinnera wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

kinnera wrote:There was no india or north india at the time. It originated in the current Pakistan and Afghanistan too. Don't give any bullshit.

What are the current day north indians doing towards national integration?

Kinnera, please share your thoughts on the following:

If I remember correctly from news in the media at that time, Bansi Lal (then CM of Haryana) proposed that Telugu would be taught as 2nd language in Haryana schools leading to future Haryanavis knowing at least two Indian languages, one from North India (Hindi) and the other from South India (Telugu). It was not something planned at the expense of any other language, Punjabi and English for example. The state government was still interested in teaching English etc. in schools, in addition to Telugu as state’s 2nd language.

Haryana Govt. also had the plans, if I remember correctly, to have a special ‘sister states’ relationship between Haryana and Andhra, on the model of sister-cities. Unfortunately, it seems to have been only one-sided ‘love affair’, mainly on the part of Haryana, with little enthusiasm and response from Andhra. Andhra politicians probably did not see much benefit from such cozy relationship with a remote northern state, and might have thought that if Andhras were going to put any effort in north India, it might be better to do with Delhi, for a bigger piece of pie, rather than Haryana or Chandigarh, having little to offer. Needless to say, this one-sided undertaking on the part of Haryanavis, with respect to Andhra and Telugu, was not going to succeed, and that’s what happened.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?27254-Tamil-second-language-of-Haryana

Got a nice excuse, Rashmun. What do you expect AP politicians to do? Where there is a will, there is a way. Dont' lecture about south indians learning hindi for the sake of national integration until a south indian language is taught in north indian schools too.
I'm out of this thread.

kinnera wrote:

indophile wrote:I thought Rosiah is from Kurnool, so uncharacteristically gutless if Telugu movies are to be believed.

Isn't he from Guntur? I'm certain he's not from Kurnool. Kurnool is in Rayalaseema. Rayalaseema-ites are pretty bad in their knowledge of hindi too.

kinnera wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

kinnera wrote:There was no india or north india at the time. It originated in the current Pakistan and Afghanistan too. Don't give any bullshit.

What are the current day north indians doing towards national integration?

Kinnera, please share your thoughts on the following:

If I remember correctly from news in the media at that time, Bansi Lal (then CM of Haryana) proposed that Telugu would be taught as 2nd language in Haryana schools leading to future Haryanavis knowing at least two Indian languages, one from North India (Hindi) and the other from South India (Telugu). It was not something planned at the expense of any other language, Punjabi and English for example. The state government was still interested in teaching English etc. in schools, in addition to Telugu as state’s 2nd language.

Haryana Govt. also had the plans, if I remember correctly, to have a special ‘sister states’ relationship between Haryana and Andhra, on the model of sister-cities. Unfortunately, it seems to have been only one-sided ‘love affair’, mainly on the part of Haryana, with little enthusiasm and response from Andhra. Andhra politicians probably did not see much benefit from such cozy relationship with a remote northern state, and might have thought that if Andhras were going to put any effort in north India, it might be better to do with Delhi, for a bigger piece of pie, rather than Haryana or Chandigarh, having little to offer. Needless to say, this one-sided undertaking on the part of Haryanavis, with respect to Andhra and Telugu, was not going to succeed, and that’s what happened.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?27254-Tamil-second-language-of-Haryana

Got a nice excuse, Rashmun. What do you expect AP politicians to do? Where there is a will, there is a way. Dont' lecture about south indians learning hindi for the sake of national integration until a south indian language is taught in north indian schools too.
I'm out of this thread.

Natalia Romanova wrote:Why Odisha and Odia? Why not Orrisa and Oriya? Did this name change too?

Rashmun wrote:

Natalia Romanova wrote:Why Odisha and Odia? Why not Orrisa and Oriya? Did this name change too?

yes.

Rashmun wrote:

kinnera wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

kinnera wrote:There was no india or north india at the time. It originated in the current Pakistan and Afghanistan too. Don't give any bullshit.

What are the current day north indians doing towards national integration?

Kinnera, please share your thoughts on the following:

If I remember correctly from news in the media at that time, Bansi Lal (then CM of Haryana) proposed that Telugu would be taught as 2nd language in Haryana schools leading to future Haryanavis knowing at least two Indian languages, one from North India (Hindi) and the other from South India (Telugu). It was not something planned at the expense of any other language, Punjabi and English for example. The state government was still interested in teaching English etc. in schools, in addition to Telugu as state’s 2nd language.

Haryana Govt. also had the plans, if I remember correctly, to have a special ‘sister states’ relationship between Haryana and Andhra, on the model of sister-cities. Unfortunately, it seems to have been only one-sided ‘love affair’, mainly on the part of Haryana, with little enthusiasm and response from Andhra. Andhra politicians probably did not see much benefit from such cozy relationship with a remote northern state, and might have thought that if Andhras were going to put any effort in north India, it might be better to do with Delhi, for a bigger piece of pie, rather than Haryana or Chandigarh, having little to offer. Needless to say, this one-sided undertaking on the part of Haryanavis, with respect to Andhra and Telugu, was not going to succeed, and that’s what happened.

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?27254-Tamil-second-language-of-Haryana

Got a nice excuse, Rashmun. What do you expect AP politicians to do? Where there is a will, there is a way. Dont' lecture about south indians learning hindi for the sake of national integration until a south indian language is taught in north indian schools too.
I'm out of this thread.

on another note, i have zero interest in forcing anyone to learn hindi. on the other hand, if someone wants to learn hindi because they think it would be beneficial for them then i am opposed to some language fanatics trying to discourage them from learning the language.

indophile wrote:

Rashmun wrote:

Natalia Romanova wrote:Why Odisha and Odia? Why not Orrisa and Oriya? Did this name change too?

yes.

apono ki kichi odiya kohiparibe?

Kayalvizhi wrote:All employees who have to communicate with state residents, businesses and government must be proficient in the state official language (SOL). Those who cannot provide school certificates to prove that they studied the SOL at school shall be required to pass a language examination before appointment. Level of the examination shall be commensurate with job duties. Language examinations set up by the state government for its employees shall be used (See 2-2).

A construction worker must be able to talk to fellow workers and supervisors in the SOL. Failure to communicate with fellow workers and supervisors could affect safety at the construction site. It is up to the out-of-state worker to know the state language and not up to the local workers to learn the out-of-state language.

From' the article "A Bill of Rights for Indian Languages"

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