extra judicial punishment, custodial violence, and bihar

by MaxEntropy_Man Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:04 pm

i watched this movie gangaajal recently. it has many of the themes we discuss here often -- extra judicial punishment, encounters, and mob frenzy. one also gets a sense of how things work in rural bihar. it is a horrendously violent movie. it had good potential but ultimately did not live up to it. still it's quite an education about what the cops have to contend with on an everyday basis. i recommend it.

by Rishi Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:27 pm

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i watched this movie gangaajal recently. it has many of the themes we discuss here often -- extra judicial punishment, encounters, and mob frenzy. one also gets a sense of how things work in rural bihar. it is a horrendously violent movie. it had good potential but ultimately did not live up to it. still it's quite an education about what the cops have to contend with on an everyday basis. i recommend it.

Once I saw in a railway station in Maharashtra, a cop was beating up a man mercilessly, the man's son who was hardly five years old was crying and begging the cop to stop.

Most of the cops in India are thugs in uniform.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:17 am

i don't know very much about indian cops. it's hard to believe the entire system without exception is corrupt and that they are all thugs. could it be that they are under constant political pressure that prevents them from doing their jobs effectively?

i have a close relative who rose through the ranks of a particular branch of govt in TN to basically become the administrative head that branch of the govt. for the entire state. the daily political pressures he was subject to were often unbearable.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:25 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i don't know very much about indian cops. it's hard to believe the entire system without exception is corrupt and that they are all thugs. could it be that they are under constant political pressure that prevents them from doing their jobs effectively?

i have a close relative who rose through the ranks of a particular branch of govt in TN to basically become the administrative head that branch of the govt. for the entire state. the daily political pressures he was subject to were often unbearable.

The police cadre is a solid "jobs bank" for the state govts to provide the SSLC dropouts jobs. These are all quota based people who get through recommendation. The few good ones are succumb to the stink and become corrupted. MA was right policemen - for most part - are thugs in uniform, and licensed to practice hooliganism.

Of course, EVERYONE has a reason and justification for any misdeed.

by MaxEntropy_Man Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:41 am

i have a vague recollection of watching another cop drama way back in the 80s with smitha patil and om puri. very similar theme and also quite violent. it seems like these cop dramas, gripping as they are, never change the basic story line as they move from decade to decade. india sure has some enormous law enforcement problems.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:55 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i have a vague recollection of watching another cop drama way back in the 80s with smitha patil and om puri. very similar theme and also quite violent. it seems like these cop dramas, gripping as they are, never change the basic story line as they move from decade to decade. india sure has some enormous law enforcement problems.

I usually look and act like a small town Indian whenever I visit India. I had to go to the local police station on some visa issues. The head constable already asked for me to take care of them (he had no idea why I was there). when the Si walked in he was yelling at everyone and when I went to his desk he yelled at me as well... When I told him what I wanted (in Tamil), he was confused at my look, act, and language... but toned down his voice and told me where I should go for the info. Those 30 min gave me a peep into a typical police station. The poice station is next to a female college, and all the cops were mostly sitting at the front of the station looking at all the girls walking to/from the next door college gate.

What they show in the movies has some reality.

by Idéfix Fri Jan 04, 2013 2:39 am

MaxEntropy_Man wrote:i don't know very much about indian cops. it's hard to believe the entire system without exception is corrupt and that they are all thugs. could it be that they are under constant political pressure that prevents them from doing their jobs effectively?

The fact is that the sort of person who enjoys being a cop in the Indian system is one who likes meting out instant extrajudicial punishment to the first suspect he can find, regardless of guilt. I have experienced the excesses of Indian policemen first-hand, and I tend to agree that a large majority of them are thugs. I have also had good interactions with some honest, upright police officers, particularly of the Indian Police Service. But those officers live in a world where their men are usually undereducated men who would be equally happy serving the local political goonda if they were not on the force.

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