CATS, DOGS AND DEVOTEES

Maarjaala Nyaya and Markata Nyaya
http://roundtheclockstories.blogspot.com/2011/09/maarjaala-nyaya-and-markata-nyaya.html
We saw Leaders and Followers. We saw Elders and Youngsters. Both are
relative. Just like relatives. A close relative may be kept far far
away. A distant relative may be a closest friend. What about those Ahead
of us and are Behind us? There is a saying that there is no tallest
tree in the world. Technically there should be one and I was shown one
such tree in Redwood National Park in California. But when you actually
start the search you will always find a bigger tree.

In philosophy, there are many arguments about the relation between Bhakta (Soul or Devotee) and Bhagavanta
(The Lord or God whatever). In fact philosophy probably only means
argument, as it is based purely on Logic. If argument is removed from
Philosophy nothing will be left. Bhaktas are divided into two
categories. They have to be divided, because we believe in divide and
rule. To understand the two categories of Bhaktas we have to understand Maarjaala Nyaya and Markata Nyaya.

What is so special about these Nyayas? Maarjaala is the Sanskrit word
for Cat. Markata in Sanskrit means Monkey. Translated it becomes Cat
Nyaya and Monkey Nyaya. To understand this, we have to observe how cats
and Monkeys handle their little ones. When you closely observe the
difference between Cats handling kittens and Monkeys handling baby
monkeys (I am told there is no better word for baby monkeys!). Though
both appear to be the same, the difference is very clear when closely
observed.

Whenever a cat moves around with the kittens, it carries the young ones
in its mouth. We know cats have sharp canines and any rough handling
will result in serious injury to the frail kittens. A little
carelessness in holding the kitten firmly will result in dropping the
kitten to the ground, especially when the mother cats jump around. But
the mother cat does take care of this. Holds the kitten firmly enough in
the mouth so that they do not fall down and at the same time hold
gently enough so that the kittens are not injured. Best example for firm and gentle at the same time.
Automobile manuals refer to the brake this way. The brake should allow
full and free movement of the wheel, but the braking effect should start
at the slightest touch of the brake pedal! Kittens have no responsibility at all. Mother cat assumes all the responsibility. This is Maarjaala nyaya.

When the mother monkey carries around baby monkeys, the baby monkey has
to hold firmly to the belly of mother monkey. Mother monkey keeps moving
and jumping around trees as if it is alone. If the baby monkey does not
hold firmly, it will fall down and get seriously injured. Entire responsibility is of the Baby Monkey and mother has no responsibility. This Markata nyaya.

The Bhaktas or souls are also divided into these two categories. First category comprises of those bhaktas whose entire responsibility is taken up by the Bhagavanta, the lord himself. They have achieved such a level of Saadhana that
the Lord does not want to miss them! He assumes full responsibility
for the souls and is at their beck and call. They are Maarjaala Nyayi bhaktas. All other souls are running behind the Lord to please him and be with him.Pleasing the Lord is their responsibility and if they fail, they fall. These are Markata Nyayi bhaktas.

There are two famous Beluru in India. Newer one is near Calcutta
and is the headquarters of Ramakrishna Mission. The original famous
Belur is about 37 kms from Hassan and 233 kms from Bangalore. The old
name for Belur was Veelapuri. Velapuri and Dorasamudra
(now called Halebeedu which is 16 kms from Belur) were the capital
cities of the Hoysala Kings. Belur's Channa Keshava temple and Halebid's
Hoysaleswara-Shantaleswara temples are nearly 900 years old and are
fine examples of Hoysala architecture. Anybody visiting Karnataka and
Bangalore should not miss these temples. These temples have made Hoysala King Vishnuvardhana and his Queen Shantala Devi
immortal. Beauty of these temple carvings cannot be expressed in words
and they are to be seen to be believed. Both places can be visited from
Bangalore in one day and there are regular daily tours by Karnataka
Tourism and private operators.

There is a street next to the Channa Keshava temple in Belur, called Vaikhunta Daasa
street. One saint by name Vaikhunta Dasa (Dasa means servant of the
Lord) lived here in the 16th century. He was a contemporary of Saint
Purandara Dasa and Saint Kanaka Dasa who lived in the golden period of
Vijayanagar empire and King Krishnadevaraya.

Saint Kanakadaasa, one of the foremost writer, composer and
social reformer of Karnataka came to Belur once wanting to have darshan
of Lord Channa Keshava (meaning handsome Vishnu). He also wanted to see
Saint Vaikhuntadaasa. It was nearly midnight when he arrived in Belur.
He reached Vaikhuntadasa's house and being unwilling to wake up
Vaikhuntadasa, slept outside the main door of the house. Early in the
morning Vaikhuntadasa opened the door and found Saint Kanakadasa
sleeping near the door. He felt very sad and asked Kanakadasa why he did
not wake him up in the night. Kanakadasa said he did not want to
disturb the sleeping Vaikhuntadasa. Vaikhuntadasa told Kanakadasa: "What
have you done Sir? You are a Maarjalanyayi. I am only a MarkatanyayiYou
are far ahead of me in Saadhana. Your sleeping outside my door will
make the Lord go further away from me!". Saint Kanakadaasa is said to
have comforted Saint Vaikhuntadasa with kind words and stayed with him
for many days, accepting his hospitality.

If we start as Markata Nyayi now, one day we may reach the level of Maarjala Nyayi some day.

Posted by
Keshava Murthy

garam_kuta wrote:Maarjaala Nyaya and Markata Nyaya
http://roundtheclockstories.blogspot.com/2011/09/maarjaala-nyaya-and-markata-nyaya.html
We saw Leaders and Followers. We saw Elders and Youngsters. Both are
relative. Just like relatives. A close relative may be kept far far
away. A distant relative may be a closest friend. What about those Ahead
of us and are Behind us? There is a saying that there is no tallest
tree in the world. Technically there should be one and I was shown one
such tree in Redwood National Park in California. But when you actually
start the search you will always find a bigger tree.

In philosophy, there are many arguments about the relation between Bhakta (Soul or Devotee) and Bhagavanta
(The Lord or God whatever). In fact philosophy probably only means
argument, as it is based purely on Logic. If argument is removed from
Philosophy nothing will be left. Bhaktas are divided into two
categories. They have to be divided, because we believe in divide and
rule. To understand the two categories of Bhaktas we have to understand Maarjaala Nyaya and Markata Nyaya.

What is so special about these Nyayas? Maarjaala is the Sanskrit word
for Cat. Markata in Sanskrit means Monkey. Translated it becomes Cat
Nyaya and Monkey Nyaya. To understand this, we have to observe how cats
and Monkeys handle their little ones. When you closely observe the
difference between Cats handling kittens and Monkeys handling baby
monkeys (I am told there is no better word for baby monkeys!). Though
both appear to be the same, the difference is very clear when closely
observed.

Whenever a cat moves around with the kittens, it carries the young ones
in its mouth. We know cats have sharp canines and any rough handling
will result in serious injury to the frail kittens. A little
carelessness in holding the kitten firmly will result in dropping the
kitten to the ground, especially when the mother cats jump around. But
the mother cat does take care of this. Holds the kitten firmly enough in
the mouth so that they do not fall down and at the same time hold
gently enough so that the kittens are not injured. Best example for firm and gentle at the same time.
Automobile manuals refer to the brake this way. The brake should allow
full and free movement of the wheel, but the braking effect should start
at the slightest touch of the brake pedal! Kittens have no responsibility at all. Mother cat assumes all the responsibility. This is Maarjaala nyaya.

When the mother monkey carries around baby monkeys, the baby monkey has
to hold firmly to the belly of mother monkey. Mother monkey keeps moving
and jumping around trees as if it is alone. If the baby monkey does not
hold firmly, it will fall down and get seriously injured. Entire responsibility is of the Baby Monkey and mother has no responsibility. This Markata nyaya.

The Bhaktas or souls are also divided into these two categories. First category comprises of those bhaktas whose entire responsibility is taken up by the Bhagavanta, the lord himself. They have achieved such a level of Saadhana that
the Lord does not want to miss them! He assumes full responsibility
for the souls and is at their beck and call. They are Maarjaala Nyayi bhaktas. All other souls are running behind the Lord to please him and be with him.Pleasing the Lord is their responsibility and if they fail, they fall. These are Markata Nyayi bhaktas.

There are two famous Beluru in India. Newer one is near Calcutta
and is the headquarters of Ramakrishna Mission. The original famous
Belur is about 37 kms from Hassan and 233 kms from Bangalore. The old
name for Belur was Veelapuri. Velapuri and Dorasamudra
(now called Halebeedu which is 16 kms from Belur) were the capital
cities of the Hoysala Kings. Belur's Channa Keshava temple and Halebid's
Hoysaleswara-Shantaleswara temples are nearly 900 years old and are
fine examples of Hoysala architecture. Anybody visiting Karnataka and
Bangalore should not miss these temples. These temples have made Hoysala King Vishnuvardhana and his Queen Shantala Devi
immortal. Beauty of these temple carvings cannot be expressed in words
and they are to be seen to be believed. Both places can be visited from
Bangalore in one day and there are regular daily tours by Karnataka
Tourism and private operators.

There is a street next to the Channa Keshava temple in Belur, called Vaikhunta Daasa
street. One saint by name Vaikhunta Dasa (Dasa means servant of the
Lord) lived here in the 16th century. He was a contemporary of Saint
Purandara Dasa and Saint Kanaka Dasa who lived in the golden period of
Vijayanagar empire and King Krishnadevaraya.

Saint Kanakadaasa, one of the foremost writer, composer and
social reformer of Karnataka came to Belur once wanting to have darshan
of Lord Channa Keshava (meaning handsome Vishnu). He also wanted to see
Saint Vaikhuntadaasa. It was nearly midnight when he arrived in Belur.
He reached Vaikhuntadasa's house and being unwilling to wake up
Vaikhuntadasa, slept outside the main door of the house. Early in the
morning Vaikhuntadasa opened the door and found Saint Kanakadasa
sleeping near the door. He felt very sad and asked Kanakadasa why he did
not wake him up in the night. Kanakadasa said he did not want to
disturb the sleeping Vaikhuntadasa. Vaikhuntadasa told Kanakadasa: "What
have you done Sir? You are a Maarjalanyayi. I am only a MarkatanyayiYou
are far ahead of me in Saadhana. Your sleeping outside my door will
make the Lord go further away from me!". Saint Kanakadaasa is said to
have comforted Saint Vaikhuntadasa with kind words and stayed with him
for many days, accepting his hospitality.

If we start as Markata Nyayi now, one day we may reach the level of Maarjala Nyayi some day.

Posted by
Keshava Murthy

Shoudn't the heading of this post be, "Cats, Monkeys and Devotees"?

yes saar .. apologies folks for mistitling.. was reading post on dogs and cats that took me to this post and i messed up the title

thanks gc ! saaptaeLa?
enna menu inniku ?

garam_kuta wrote:yes saar .. apologies folks for mistitling.. was reading post on dogs and cats that took me to this post and i messed up the title

thanks gc ! saaptaeLa?
enna menu inniku ?

Lunch: Pavakai pitlai, jeera melagu rasam, keerai masiyal, poricha ilai vadam (pathiya saapadu madhiri!)

Dinner: Ennai kathrikai pesanja sadham, rasam above, thalicha thayir sadham with homemade nellikai oorugai

goodcitizn wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:yes saar .. apologies folks for mistitling.. was reading post on dogs and cats that took me to this post and i messed up the title

thanks gc ! saaptaeLa?
enna menu inniku ?

Lunch: Pavakai pitlai, jeera melagu rasam, keerai masiyal, poricha ilai vadam (pathiya saapadu madhiri!)

Dinner: Ennai kathrikai pesanja sadham, rasam above, thalicha thayir sadham with homemade nellikai oorugai

The grounddog may rise from the shadows now.

Hellsangel wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:yes saar .. apologies folks for mistitling.. was reading post on dogs and cats that took me to this post and i messed up the title

thanks gc ! saaptaeLa?
enna menu inniku ?

Lunch: Pavakai pitlai, jeera melagu rasam, keerai masiyal, poricha ilai vadam (pathiya saapadu madhiri!)

Dinner: Ennai kathrikai pesanja sadham, rasam above, thalicha thayir sadham with homemade nellikai oorugai

The grounddog may rise from the shadows now.

I doubt it. But he might be curious about how it is made. I just watched it being cooked today and it is quite intricate.

goodcitizn wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:yes saar .. apologies folks for mistitling.. was reading post on dogs and cats that took me to this post and i messed up the title

thanks gc ! saaptaeLa?
enna menu inniku ?

Lunch: Pavakai pitlai, jeera melagu rasam, keerai masiyal, poricha ilai vadam (pathiya saapadu madhiri!)

Dinner: Ennai kathrikai pesanja sadham, rasam above, thalicha thayir sadham with homemade nellikai oorugai

The grounddog may rise from the shadows now.

I doubt it. But he might be curious about how it is made. I just watched it being cooked today and it is quite intricate.

You don't know the chat history and his obsession with it.

Hellsangel wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:yes saar .. apologies folks for mistitling.. was reading post on dogs and cats that took me to this post and i messed up the title

thanks gc ! saaptaeLa?
enna menu inniku ?

Lunch: Pavakai pitlai, jeera melagu rasam, keerai masiyal, poricha ilai vadam (pathiya saapadu madhiri!)

Dinner: Ennai kathrikai pesanja sadham, rasam above, thalicha thayir sadham with homemade nellikai oorugai

The grounddog may rise from the shadows now.

LOL. GC's lunch posts are giving me a serious craving for SI fare. i think we will have an SI fest at home shortly. limited to the items (some of which i learnt through this board) we know of: more keerai, kutti vengaya sambar (note the sp. -- it is not sambhar), mysore rasam, thayir sadam (i meant perugu annam wunly BASH bros), urulai roast, idlis, dosas (note the sp. -- it is not dosai), utthapams (note the sp. -- it is not utthapA), paniyarams (sorry, ponganalu) and BBB topped by ummm, nah i don't like sweets. unfortunately none of the iyernis taught me the recipe for pavakai pithlai --more by design than accident i feel.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:yes saar .. apologies folks for mistitling.. was reading post on dogs and cats that took me to this post and i messed up the title

thanks gc ! saaptaeLa?
enna menu inniku ?

Lunch: Pavakai pitlai, jeera melagu rasam, keerai masiyal, poricha ilai vadam (pathiya saapadu madhiri!)

Dinner: Ennai kathrikai pesanja sadham, rasam above, thalicha thayir sadham with homemade nellikai oorugai

The grounddog may rise from the shadows now.

LOL. GC's lunch posts are giving me a serious craving for SI fare. i think we will have an SI fest at home shortly. limited to the items (some of which i learnt through this board) we know of: more keerai, kutti vengaya sambar (note the sp. -- it is not sambhar), mysore rasam, thayir sadam (i meant perugu annam wunly BASH bros), urulai roast, idlis, dosas (note the sp. -- it is not dosai), utthapams (note the sp. -- it is not utthapA), paniyarams (sorry, ponganalu) and BBB topped by ummm, nah i don't like sweets. unfortunately none of the iyernis taught me the recipe for pavakai pithlai --more by design than accident i feel.

Wow, you are a fast learner! Btw, pithalai is brass; pitlai it is.

goodcitizn wrote:Wow, you are a fast learner! Btw, pithalai is brass; pitlai it is.

got it! texas. arlington too.

In Tamil

and recipe in English:

http://www.kamalascorner.com/2010/03/pavakkai-bitter-gourd-pitlai.html

Hellsangel wrote:

In Tamil

and recipe in English:

http://www.kamalascorner.com/2010/03/pavakkai-bitter-gourd-pitlai.html

Damn! I guess next weekend it is appam and potato stew for breakfast!

Hellsangel wrote:

In Tamil

and recipe in English:

[url=http://www.kamalascorner.com/2010/03/pavakkai-bitter-gourd-pitlai.html

http://www.kamalascorner.com/2010/03/pavakkai-bitter-gourd-pitlai.html[/quote[/url]]

Here she didn't saute before boiling the bitter gourd slices. Otherwise it is similar to what I observed in my mom's kitchen.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:LOL. GC's lunch posts are giving me a serious craving for SI fare. i think we will have an SI fest at home shortly. limited to the items (some of which i learnt through this board) we know of: more keerai, kutti vengaya sambar (note the sp. -- it is not sambhar), mysore rasam, thayir sadam (i meant perugu annam wunly BASH bros), urulai roast, idlis, dosas (note the sp. -- it is not dosai), utthapams (note the sp. -- it is not utthapA), paniyarams (sorry, ponganalu) and BBB topped by ummm, nah i don't like sweets. unfortunately none of the iyernis taught me the recipe for pavakai pithlai --more by design than accident i feel.

hoozay, if i may make a suggestion, you should stick to exotic food floating in whitish sauce made from large quantities of mayonnaise and corn flour, of which you have proudly posted many photographs here. when the craving for exotica becomes overpowering, you might ask ganpat ram and the Braided One to make chicken choumein for you.

the mention of southern indian food in posts here has an entirely different function than the sharing of an interest in cooking and cuisines; it is to reveal one's caste, subcaste, and gothram(?) by subtle means, because many dishes and their variations are caste-specific. several posters here now know with near-certainty gc's, garam-kutta's, and the pitlai dravidgirls' caste attributes.

conversations about food are also opportunities to send secret messages about one's caste by using caste-specific language. for example, garam-kutta's "saptaeLa?" (have you eaten?) is not mainstream, standard, or good tamil; it is from a small subset of tamil used by tamil brahmins, and there may be subsets of that subset used by their subcastes.

these castes are not interested in your northindian version of caste or subcaste, so any conversation you have with them about food is futile. get back to the choumein, hoozay.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:LOL. GC's lunch posts are giving me a serious craving for SI fare. i think we will have an SI fest at home shortly. limited to the items (some of which i learnt through this board) we know of: more keerai, kutti vengaya sambar (note the sp. -- it is not sambhar), mysore rasam, thayir sadam (i meant perugu annam wunly BASH bros), urulai roast, idlis, dosas (note the sp. -- it is not dosai), utthapams (note the sp. -- it is not utthapA), paniyarams (sorry, ponganalu) and BBB topped by ummm, nah i don't like sweets. unfortunately none of the iyernis taught me the recipe for pavakai pithlai --more by design than accident i feel.

hoozay, if i may make a suggestion, you should stick to exotic food floating in whitish sauce made from large quantities of mayonnaise and corn flour, of which you have proudly posted many photographs here. when the craving for exotica becomes overpowering, you might ask ganpat ram and the Braided One to make chicken choumein for you.

the mention of southern indian food in posts here has an entirely different function than the sharing of an interest in cooking and cuisines; it is to reveal one's caste, subcaste, and gothram(?) by subtle means, because many dishes and their variations are caste-specific. several posters here now know with near-certainty gc's, garam-kutta's, and the pitlai dravidgirls' caste attributes.

conversations about food are also opportunities to send secret messages about one's caste by using caste-specific language. for example, garam-kutta's "saptaeLa?" (have you eaten?) is not mainstream, standard, or good tamil; it is from a small subset of tamil used by tamil brahmins, and there may be subsets of that subset used by subcastes of the tamil brahmins.

these castes are not interested in your northindian version of caste or subcaste, so any conversation you have about food with them is futile. get back to the choumein, hoozay.

I see that the Tambrahms are still not forgiven for not accepting you as one of their own.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:it is to reveal one's caste, subcaste, and gothram(?) by subtle means

Yeah, the use of subtlety in these matters is a real problem. One ought to proclaim one's subcaste with long posts about that subcaste and its history, cuisine, attire and other traditions, with references to the year the founder of the subcaste is said to have landed in India. Anyone who does it any other way is up to something fishy.

Nice one G_K, on Maarjaala Nyaya and Markata Nyaya.

Lamberdar

[quote="Hellsangel"]

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

conversations about food are also opportunities to send secret messages about one's caste by using caste-specific language. for example, garam-kutta's "saptaeLa?" (have you eaten?) is not mainstream, standard, or good tamil; it is from a small subset of tamil used by tamil brahmins, and there may be subsets of that subset used by subcastes of the tamil brahmins.

these castes are not interested in your northindian version of caste or subcaste, so any conversation you have about food with them is futile. get back to the choumein, hoozay.

I see that the Tambrahms are still not forgiven for not accepting you as one of their own.

mainstream thamiLu- thunnAchA/ thunteengaLa?
standard thamil- saapteengaLa ?
good Thamizh- undeergaLa ?

kottikineengaLA ? vetneengaLa? pudi pudicheengaLA ? and many more that you see in Thamizh TV serials are orphans, to be categorized. Before I do that, I hear "hei..thEri maa soru thunna bulAthireY..jaldhi aabha " so i gottago !

garam_kuta wrote:

Hellsangel wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

conversations about food are also opportunities to send secret messages about one's caste by using caste-specific language. for example, garam-kutta's "saptaeLa?" (have you eaten?) is not mainstream, standard, or good tamil; it is from a small subset of tamil used by tamil brahmins, and there may be subsets of that subset used by subcastes of the tamil brahmins.

these castes are not interested in your northindian version of caste or subcaste, so any conversation you have about food with them is futile. get back to the choumein, hoozay.

I see that the Tambrahms are still not forgiven for not accepting you as one of their own.

mainstream thamiLu- thunnAchA/ thunteengaLa?
standard thamil- saapteengaLa ?
good Thamizh- undeergaLa ?

kottikineengaLA ? vetneengaLa? pudi pudicheengaLA ? and many more that you see in Thamizh TV serials are orphans, to be categorized. Before I do that, I hear "hei..thEri maa soru thunna bulAthireY..jaldhi aabha " so i gottago !

Don't feel too offended, hot dog. The old dog makes no mention of POKCTAP or Il Professore in that list with all the mutual back scratching.

Hellsangel wrote:Don't feel too offended, hot dog. The old dog makes no mention of POKCTAP or Il Professore in that list with all the mutual back scratching.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:LOL. GC's lunch posts are giving me a serious craving for SI fare. i think we will have an SI fest at home shortly. limited to the items (some of which i learnt through this board) we know of: more keerai, kutti vengaya sambar (note the sp. -- it is not sambhar), mysore rasam, thayir sadam (i meant perugu annam wunly BASH bros), urulai roast, idlis, dosas (note the sp. -- it is not dosai), utthapams (note the sp. -- it is not utthapA), paniyarams (sorry, ponganalu) and BBB topped by ummm, nah i don't like sweets. unfortunately none of the iyernis taught me the recipe for pavakai pithlai --more by design than accident i feel.

hoozay, if i may make a suggestion, you should stick to exotic food floating in whitish sauce made from large quantities of mayonnaise and corn flour, of which you have proudly posted many photographs here. when the craving for exotica becomes overpowering, you might ask ganpat ram and the Braided One to make chicken choumein for you.

the mention of southern indian food in posts here has an entirely different function than the sharing of an interest in cooking and cuisines; it is to reveal one's caste, subcaste, and gothram(?) by subtle means, because many dishes and their variations are caste-specific. several posters here now know with near-certainty gc's, garam-kutta's, and the pitlai dravidgirls' caste attributes.

conversations about food are also opportunities to send secret messages about one's caste by using caste-specific language. for example, garam-kutta's "saptaeLa?" (have you eaten?) is not mainstream, standard, or good tamil; it is from a small subset of tamil used by tamil brahmins, and there may be subsets of that subset used by their subcastes.

these castes are not interested in your northindian version of caste or subcaste, so any conversation you have with them about food is futile. get back to the choumein, hoozay.

JM is upset since this menu totally disproves his claim that Tambrahms eat only thayir sadham (curd rice), a highly innutrious protein-deficient food item, for breakfast, lunch and dinner as attested by his one-time observation of his college mate, the son of a chemistry professor (and a colleague of his father), who grew up with him in the MCC campus grounds. That is one keen observation, the other being that of our Nephew tipping the scale to the other extreme of consuming prodigious kilos of high-fat, cholesterol-rich cattle flesh at one fell swoop, causing a severe perdition to the bovine population.

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Nice one G_K, on Maarjaala Nyaya and Markata Nyaya.

Lamberdar

Hot Dog / Seva Unkil, shouldn't it be Maarjaara?

goodcitizn wrote:JM is upset since this menu totally disproves his claim that Tambrahms eat only thayir sadham (curd rice), a highly innutrious protein-deficient food item, for breakfast, lunch and dinner as attested by his one-time observation of his college mate, the son of a chemistry professor (and a colleague of his father), who grew up with him in the MCC campus grounds. That is one keen observation, the other being that of our Nephew tipping the scale to the other extreme of consuming prodigious kilos of high-fat, cholesterol-rich cattle flesh at one fell swoop, causing a severe perdition to the bovine population.

Haha..many things upset JM Unkil. Here are the Top 5 things / people that get his goat:

- Northindia, Northindians and Northindian culture

- Anyone who doesn't share his loathing for Northindia, Northindians and Northindian culture (aka ingratiators)

- Carvaka and Hellsangel

- TamBrahms with The Thing, who denied him access despite his ability to write essays in Tamil (after 15 yrs of learning the language). The historic anger often spills over onto random victims, even TamBrahms without The Thing.

- Anyone who relishes beef fry, beef roast etc; delicacies which he can no longer eat / digest

goodcitizn wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:LOL. GC's lunch posts are giving me a serious craving for SI fare. i think we will have an SI fest at home shortly. limited to the items (some of which i learnt through this board) we know of: more keerai, kutti vengaya sambar (note the sp. -- it is not sambhar), mysore rasam, thayir sadam (i meant perugu annam wunly BASH bros), urulai roast, idlis, dosas (note the sp. -- it is not dosai), utthapams (note the sp. -- it is not utthapA), paniyarams (sorry, ponganalu) and BBB topped by ummm, nah i don't like sweets. unfortunately none of the iyernis taught me the recipe for pavakai pithlai --more by design than accident i feel.

hoozay, if i may make a suggestion, you should stick to exotic food floating in whitish sauce made from large quantities of mayonnaise and corn flour, of which you have proudly posted many photographs here. when the craving for exotica becomes overpowering, you might ask ganpat ram and the Braided One to make chicken choumein for you.

the mention of southern indian food in posts here has an entirely different function than the sharing of an interest in cooking and cuisines; it is to reveal one's caste, subcaste, and gothram(?) by subtle means, because many dishes and their variations are caste-specific. several posters here now know with near-certainty gc's, garam-kutta's, and the pitlai dravidgirls' caste attributes.

conversations about food are also opportunities to send secret messages about one's caste by using caste-specific language. for example, garam-kutta's "saptaeLa?" (have you eaten?) is not mainstream, standard, or good tamil; it is from a small subset of tamil used by tamil brahmins, and there may be subsets of that subset used by their subcastes.

these castes are not interested in your northindian version of caste or subcaste, so any conversation you have with them about food is futile. get back to the choumein, hoozay.

JM is upset since this menu totally disproves his claim that Tambrahms eat only thayir sadham (curd rice), a highly innutrious protein-deficient food item, for breakfast, lunch and dinner as attested by his one-time observation of his college mate, the son of a chemistry professor (and a colleague of his father), who grew up with him in the MCC campus grounds. That is one keen observation, the other being that of our Nephew tipping the scale to the other extreme of consuming prodigious kilos of high-fat, cholesterol-rich cattle flesh at one fell swoop, causing a severe perdition to the bovine population.

i thought curd/yoghurt is quite protein rich?

goodcitizn wrote:That is one keen observation, the other being that of our Nephew tipping the scale to the other extreme of consuming prodigious kilos of high-fat, cholesterol-rich cattle flesh at one fell swoop, causing a severe perdition to the bovine population.

what is a severe "perdition" to the bovine population?

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:JM is upset since this menu totally disproves his claim that Tambrahms eat only thayir sadham (curd rice), a highly innutrious protein-deficient food item, for breakfast, lunch and dinner as attested by his one-time observation of his college mate, the son of a chemistry professor (and a colleague of his father), who grew up with him in the MCC campus grounds. That is one keen observation, the other being that of our Nephew tipping the scale to the other extreme of consuming prodigious kilos of high-fat, cholesterol-rich cattle flesh at one fell swoop, causing a severe perdition to the bovine population.

Haha..many things upset JM Unkil. Here are the Top 5 things / people that get his goat:

- Northindia, Northindians and Northindian culture

- Anyone who doesn't share his loathing for Northindia, Northindians and Northindian culture (aka ingratiators)

- Carvaka and Hellsangel

- TamBrahms with The Thing, who denied him access despite his ability to write essays in Tamil (after 15 yrs of learning the language). The historic anger often spills over onto random victims, even TamBrahms without The Thing.

- Anyone who relishes beef fry, beef roast etc; delicacies which he can no longer eat / digest

His aversion to the Telugu clan didn't make the top 5, I suppose.

Aversion to Telugu clan is a function of #2 and #3

Note to self: do not ignore a thread if people are posting in it regularly. Most likely it has shifted miles away from the mentioned topic.

goodcitizn wrote:

Main Entry:	loss
Part of Speech:	noun
Definition:	misfortune, deficit; something misplaced or lost
Synonyms:	accident, bad luck, bereavement, calamity, casualty, cataclysm, catastrophe, cost, damage, death, debit, debt, defeat, deficiency, depletion, deprivation, destitution, destruction, detriment, disadvantage, disappearance, disaster, dispossession, failure, fall, fatality, forfeiture, harm, hurt, impairment, injury, losing, misadventure, mishap, mislaying, misplacing, need, perdition, privation, retardation, ruin, sacrifice, shrinkage, squandering, trial, trouble, undoing, want, waste, wreckage

look up the meaning of "perdition."

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Nice one G_K, on Maarjaala Nyaya and Markata Nyaya.

Lamberdar

Hot Dog / Seva Unkil, shouldn't it be Maarjaara?

impressive, MD - your Maarjaara Nyaya appears to be old traditional sanskrit and the maarjaala could be slightly decadent (!) version. As I recall, in an other context, Raja Rao uses the maarjaara nyaya in his book ''serpent and the rope''

I recall another time you were good with the thamizh conjunctions, I forget the post though. The secret agent that you are, seem to know many languages and dialects, i should think

garam_kuta wrote:

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

Seva Lamberdar wrote:Nice one G_K, on Maarjaala Nyaya and Markata Nyaya.

Lamberdar

Hot Dog / Seva Unkil, shouldn't it be Maarjaara?

impressive, MD - your Maarjaara Nyaya appears to be old traditional sanskrit and the maarjaala could be slightly decadent (!) version. As I recall, in an other context, Raja Rao uses the maarjaara nyaya in his book ''serpent and the rope''

I recall another time you were good with the thamizh conjunctions, I forget the post though. The secret agent that you are, seem to know many languages and dialects, i should think

I believe marjaala is the Teluguized word. That's the form I remember reading in school.

Merlot Daruwala wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:JM is upset since this menu totally disproves his claim that Tambrahms eat only thayir sadham (curd rice), a highly innutrious protein-deficient food item, for breakfast, lunch and dinner as attested by his one-time observation of his college mate, the son of a chemistry professor (and a colleague of his father), who grew up with him in the MCC campus grounds. That is one keen observation, the other being that of our Nephew tipping the scale to the other extreme of consuming prodigious kilos of high-fat, cholesterol-rich cattle flesh at one fell swoop, causing a severe perdition to the bovine population.

Haha..many things upset JM Unkil. Here are the Top 5 things / people that get his goat:

- Northindia, Northindians and Northindian culture

- Anyone who doesn't share his loathing for Northindia, Northindians and Northindian culture (aka ingratiators)

- Carvaka and Hellsangel

- TamBrahms with The Thing, who denied him access despite his ability to write essays in Tamil (after 15 yrs of learning the language). The historic anger often spills over onto random victims, even TamBrahms without The Thing.

- Anyone who relishes beef fry, beef roast etc; delicacies which he can no longer eat / digest