LIFE'S CHEAP - IN SRILANKA

garam_kuta wrote:
A new documentary by channel 4 soon to be released.

goodcitizn wrote:

garam_kuta wrote:
A new documentary by channel 4 soon to be released.

I am shocked and sickened to see these two videos. Hopefully the U.N. is able to bring war criminals of the Sri Lankan government to justice.

Kayalvizhi wrote:Deeply concerned about allegations of violations of international humanitarian law and human rights in Sri Lanka over the LTTE leader Velupillai Prabhakaran's 12-year-old son Balachandran's killing, the US said that it plans to introduce its own resolution on the issue at the Human Rights Council meeting in Geneva.

India said, "As far as Sri Lanka is concerned, we are constantly in engagement with Sri Lanka. We are important neighbours, we are important partners. We have good friendship. The concerns that people have felt was reflected in our previous engagements."

India said that it could not say the photo is authentic. Did India analyze it or is it just hot air? A western forensic expert sai it was authentic. Also Channel 4 is a respected British news channel. They won't broadcast serious allegations without sound basis.

Karunanidhi said, “India's silence pains us. People in Tamil Nadu expect India to take forward the US resolution to UNHRC”

Jayalaltha called it a war crime.

goodcitizn wrote:I saw Sri Lankan foreign ambassador to India claim on TV that the pictures were morphed. Do you have any information on which Indian government official commented that the photos were not authentic?

Kayalvizhi wrote:

goodcitizn wrote:I saw Sri Lankan foreign ambassador to India claim on TV that the pictures were morphed. Do you have any information on which Indian government official commented that the photos were not authentic?

External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid said that India could not say the photo is authentic.

This Hindian gov will not believe photo evidence authenticated by western expert. They won't believe Tamil Nadu fishermen eye witnessaccount that Sri Lankan Navy shot and killed fellow fishermen.

doofus_maximus wrote:can some one explain to me like I am a five year old..

What does Indian govt get by appeasing the Sri Lankan govt? If they make a stand against the Sri Lankan govt they are bound to appease the massive vote bank in TN. What is the reason behind not following this logic?

doofus_maximus wrote:can some one explain to me like I am a five year old..

What does Indian govt get by appeasing the Sri Lankan govt? If they make a stand against the Sri Lankan govt they are bound to appease the massive vote bank in TN. What is the reason behind not following this logic?

doofus_maximus wrote:can some one explain to me like I am a five year old..

What does Indian govt get by appeasing the Sri Lankan govt? If they make a stand against the Sri Lankan govt they are bound to appease the massive vote bank in TN. What is the reason behind not following this logic?

Kayalvizhi wrote:Think about it. Eelam a plus or minus for India?

panini press wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:Think about it. Eelam a plus or minus for India?

That is why India risked its own troops to support the Sri Lankan Tamils.

Kayalvizhi wrote:

panini press wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:Think about it. Eelam a plus or minus for India?

That is why India risked its own troops to support the Sri Lankan Tamils.

When?

• Exclusive access to the much sort after Trinco harbor,
  
• SL promise not to allow expansion of Voice of America in SL
  

Kayalvizhi wrote:India sent troops to northeastern SL to disarm Tamil fighters. Can you tell me how it is help. They did not disarm Sinhala soldiers. THey did not devolve power to Tamil. How is it help?

panini press wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:India sent troops to northeastern SL to disarm Tamil fighters. Can you tell me how it is help. They did not disarm Sinhala soldiers. THey did not devolve power to Tamil. How is it help?

The disarmament was part of a broader plan to secure autonomy for the Tamil people. A plan that command... err was not happy with, so he sabotaged. His miscalculation is the reason so many Tamil people have died in the last two decades. It is also the reason why thousands of Tamil children were recruited as soldiers, many of them by force. All for what? For the self-aggrandizement of one delusional man.

Kayalvizhi wrote:

panini press wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:India sent troops to northeastern SL to disarm Tamil fighters. Can you tell me how it is help. They did not disarm Sinhala soldiers. THey did not devolve power to Tamil. How is it help?

The disarmament was part of a broader plan to secure autonomy for the Tamil people. A plan that command... err was not happy with, so he sabotaged. His miscalculation is the reason so many Tamil people have died in the last two decades. It is also the reason why thousands of Tamil children were recruited as soldiers, many of them by force. All for what? For the self-aggrandizement of one delusional man.

Only Indian plan was to disarm Tamil fighters. No devolution plan.

This was the situation when India attacked Tamil fighters.

India wanted LTTE to diusarm and THEN talk to SL gov on devolution. LTTE asked what will be devolved. Neither India nor SL would say. Lt Col Dileepan went on hinger strike asking India to say (1) if police powers would be devoved, (2) If North and east would be permanently merged. India said disarm and THEN talk to SL. Dileepan dies in hunger strike.

India promised LTTE that it would protect Tamils. Then SL arrested 12 LTTE leaders in the sea. LTTE proteszted and the 12 were handed over to India and kept lockded up. Then India decided to handover them to SL military against protest from Indian General in SL. The 12 would surely tortured to get LTTE secrets and murdered. The 12 took cyanide and died.

Heatring it commander got so upsset he crushed the glass in his hands. India sent paratroopers to capture commander, He was tipped off by an Indian communications officer. The paratroopers were killed. Then allout war broke out. It was India that initiated the war. Not LTTE.

panini press wrote:

doofus_maximus wrote:can some one explain to me like I am a five year old..

What does Indian govt get by appeasing the Sri Lankan govt? If they make a stand against the Sri Lankan govt they are bound to appease the massive vote bank in TN. What is the reason behind not following this logic?

Geopolitics is the answer. Sri Lanka has done a great job of playing India against China and Pakistan. If India does not support them, the fear in South Block is that they will turn to China and Pakistan. This fear is based on concrete actions from China, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka in the past.

India does not want a Chinese naval base in Sri Lanka. That would directly challenge India's dominance of the seas that it considers vital to its strategic interests (Bay of Bengal, Arabian Sea and the northern Indian Ocean). It also does not want Pakistan's ISI to gain a foothold on the island -- that would jeopardize security in Tamil Nadu and Kerala. The Sri Lankan attitude for a long time has been, "f you are not willing to help us, just say the word, and we have others who are more than willing to help."

India might still have said "fuck off" to the Sri Lankans. But the last straw that broke the camel's back was the attack in Sriperumbudur. That was colossal overreach on the LTTE's part which turned the heads of India's strategists against the Sri Lankan Tamil cause. It was PVN's government that restored friendly ties with Sri Lanka, and that policy has held since.

The victims of this horrible calculus (and the colossal miscalculations of the dead command... err) are the Tamils of Sri Lanka. Even if a Tamilian is the Prime Minister of India, I don't see this geopolitical calculus changing.

Kayalvizhi wrote:

Heatring it commander got so upsset he crushed the glass in his hands. India sent paratroopers to capture commander, He was tipped off by an Indian communications officer. The paratroopers were killed. Then allout war broke out. It was India that initiated the war. Not LTTE.

goodcitizn wrote:

panini press wrote:

doofus_maximus wrote:can some one explain to me like I am a five year old..

What does Indian govt get by appeasing the Sri Lankan govt? If they make a stand against the Sri Lankan govt they are bound to appease the massive vote bank in TN. What is the reason behind not following this logic?

Geopolitics is the answer. Sri Lanka has done a great job of playing India against China and Pakistan. If India does not support them, the fear in South Block is that they will turn to China and Pakistan. This fear is based on concrete actions from China, Pakistan, and Sri Lanka in the past.

India does not want a Chinese naval base in Sri Lanka. That would directly challenge India's dominance of the seas that it considers vital to its strategic interests (Bay of Bengal, Arabian Sea and the northern Indian Ocean). It also does not want Pakistan's ISI to gain a foothold on the island -- that would jeopardize security in Tamil Nadu and Kerala. The Sri Lankan attitude for a long time has been, "f you are not willing to help us, just say the word, and we have others who are more than willing to help."

India might still have said "fuck off" to the Sri Lankans. But the last straw that broke the camel's back was the attack in Sriperumbudur. That was colossal overreach on the LTTE's part which turned the heads of India's strategists against the Sri Lankan Tamil cause. It was PVN's government that restored friendly ties with Sri Lanka, and that policy has held since.

The victims of this horrible calculus (and the colossal miscalculations of the dead command... err) are the Tamils of Sri Lanka. Even if a Tamilian is the Prime Minister of India, I don't see this geopolitical calculus changing.

I don't agree. China already has established a huge commercial (not naval) base near Colombo, a foothold so to speak. India hasn't gained anything by its "3-do-nothing-monkeys" foreign policy. By not saying anything about Chinese aggression in Tibet and Sri Lankan atrocities against its own Tamil citizens, India has only displayed its weakness in the eyes of the world. America and other countries that appealed to the U.N. about Sri Lankan war crimes have done for Sri Lankan Tamils what India has failed to do. The UPA government, steered under Sonia Gandhi banner, is possibly prejudiced against Sri Lankan Tamils over what happened to Rajeev Gandhi (Sonia's husband). What is even worse is the welcome the Central Government gave to Rajapakse recently despite protests by so many Indians in Tamil Nadu. The vote bank politics in Tamil Nadu doesn't favor Congress (or BJP for that matter) so nobody cares. That is not true with Indira Gandhi's assassination by the sikhs because vote bank politics up north make a big impact.

bw wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:

Heatring it commander got so upsset he crushed the glass in his hands. India sent paratroopers to capture commander, He was tipped off by an Indian communications officer. The paratroopers were killed. Then allout war broke out. It was India that initiated the war. Not LTTE.

oh. did he watch a lot of hindian movies in his spare time?

Kayalvizhi wrote:

Heatring it commander got so upsset he crushed the glass in his hands. India sent paratroopers to capture commander, He was tipped off by an Indian communications officer. The paratroopers were killed. Then allout war broke out. It was India that initiated the war. Not LTTE.

panini press wrote:This is because the two major parties of Tamil Nadu have not come together and made their 40 seats in Lok Sabha count. If a national alliance cannot have DMK, it automatically has AIADMK and vice-versa.

panini press wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:

panini press wrote:

Kayalvizhi wrote:India sent troops to northeastern SL to disarm Tamil fighters. Can you tell me how it is help. They did not disarm Sinhala soldiers. THey did not devolve power to Tamil. How is it help?

The disarmament was part of a broader plan to secure autonomy for the Tamil people. A plan that command... err was not happy with, so he sabotaged. His miscalculation is the reason so many Tamil people have died in the last two decades. It is also the reason why thousands of Tamil children were recruited as soldiers, many of them by force. All for what? For the self-aggrandizement of one delusional man.

Only Indian plan was to disarm Tamil fighters. No devolution plan.

This was the situation when India attacked Tamil fighters.

India wanted LTTE to diusarm and THEN talk to SL gov on devolution. LTTE asked what will be devolved. Neither India nor SL would say. Lt Col Dileepan went on hinger strike asking India to say (1) if police powers would be devoved, (2) If North and east would be permanently merged. India said disarm and THEN talk to SL. Dileepan dies in hunger strike.

India promised LTTE that it would protect Tamils. Then SL arrested 12 LTTE leaders in the sea. LTTE proteszted and the 12 were handed over to India and kept lockded up. Then India decided to handover them to SL military against protest from Indian General in SL. The 12 would surely tortured to get LTTE secrets and murdered. The 12 took cyanide and died.

Heatring it commander got so upsset he crushed the glass in his hands. India sent paratroopers to capture commander, He was tipped off by an Indian communications officer. The paratroopers were killed. Then allout war broke out. It was India that initiated the war. Not LTTE.

I revise my statement:

... one a few delusional man people.

Maria S wrote:Carvaka,
*I am sorry to see you call people who have been involved/sacrificed in a freedom struggle for Srilankan Tamils..delusional.

Maria S wrote:*Oh, I am sure you can differentiate between hyperbole, over dramatization and reality..who cares about crushing of anything -unless it is to glorify/ridicule someone?

Maria S wrote:*Is using children terrible? Sure. But, in an "all out civil war"..when the parents/grandparents/families are bombed mercilessly, raped, maimed, held prisoners, killed..how can clean lines can be drawn..and the outrage is "selectively" for children and not for everyone who is dead/wounded.

Maria S wrote:The same is for any Country..one can't "bomb a country/let drones wildly roam" and talk about love for children and compassion there- such hypocrisy.

panini press wrote:

Maria S wrote:*Oh, I am sure you can differentiate between hyperbole, over dramatization and reality..who cares about crushing of anything -unless it is to glorify/ridicule someone?

Exactly, that glorification of Prabhakaran is what I take issue with, given the awful things he did.

Maria S wrote:*Is using children terrible? Sure. But, in an "all out civil war"..when the parents/grandparents/families are bombed mercilessly, raped, maimed, held prisoners, killed..how can clean lines can be drawn..and the outrage is "selectively" for children and not for everyone who is dead/wounded.

Yes, recruiting children as soldiers is terrible, even in those circumstances.

Maria S wrote:The same is for any Country..one can't "bomb a country/let drones wildly roam" and talk about love for children and compassion there- such hypocrisy.

I agree with you on this.

Maria wrote: You have perhaps read the "letter from the grave"- by the Srilankan journalist who was attacked and finally murdered (*he does condemn the LTTE):

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/stevecoll/2009/01/letter-from-the.html

*I think people outside of US (esp. NRIs) are far more objective when it comes to human rights violations..and in TN there is a tide now to so do something about it. *But for people like Kayal who have tirelessly spoken about this..nothing would happen.


I may not agree with Jayalalitha on many things..but, I applaud her for this:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/tamil-nadu/we-wont-host-asian-athletics-championships-jayalalithaa/article4438291.ece