Ruth Prawer Jhabvala passes on..

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

i don't think he ever left. i think he was an architect.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

i don't think he ever left. i think he was an architect.

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

pravalika nanda wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

** well, what was she to do - run to the big apple and go speed-dating and hook up with a nice jewish man? not possible, not with those interesting looks. yes, yes, i know the elite will find something very attracrtive and intiguing about her looks. but i can tell you, that's not what gets you the "sexy beast award" or the "premium dating pass."
** i also don't know why she passed on into the elements. she's like any normal person, she finally "died." i hate pc-speak. i just found out you can't call anyone "illegal" anymore - listen, kids, they're called "undocumented persons." baby, when can we have people classified as "taxpayers" and "non-toxpayers?"
** anyway, getting back to this woman: one reason to be pervasively sad is a parent who commits suicide. so don't blame it on india. india is where she found her husband, and he gave her a pretty good life. she lived as any upper crust woman would, she got tons of respect and nice clothes and good kids. she had freedom of speech and lived a very good life. and if she didn't like that life, she wouldn't have liked any life.
** i also think such is the only place where random story-tellers are deified. news for rishi and kris: every day that ruth lived, she passed 2-3 liters of flatus. thanks for passing, ruth.
thank you for your time, boys and have a good day.

Propagandhi711 wrote:

pravalika nanda wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

** well, what was she to do - run to the big apple and go speed-dating and hook up with a nice jewish man? not possible, not with those interesting looks. yes, yes, i know the elite will find something very attracrtive and intiguing about her looks. but i can tell you, that's not what gets you the "sexy beast award" or the "premium dating pass."
** i also don't know why she passed on into the elements. she's like any normal person, she finally "died." i hate pc-speak. i just found out you can't call anyone "illegal" anymore - listen, kids, they're called "undocumented persons." baby, when can we have people classified as "taxpayers" and "non-toxpayers?"
** anyway, getting back to this woman: one reason to be pervasively sad is a parent who commits suicide. so don't blame it on india. india is where she found her husband, and he gave her a pretty good life. she lived as any upper crust woman would, she got tons of respect and nice clothes and good kids. she had freedom of speech and lived a very good life. and if she didn't like that life, she wouldn't have liked any life.
** i also think such is the only place where random story-tellers are deified. news for rishi and kris: every day that ruth lived, she passed 2-3 liters of flatus. thanks for passing, ruth.
thank you for your time, boys and have a good day.

you talk this trash afterif you get married, you're getting two, not one black eyes in the first year

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

pravalika nanda wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

** well, what was she to do - run to the big apple and go speed-dating and hook up with a nice jewish man? not possible, not with those interesting looks. yes, yes, i know the elite will find something very attracrtive and intiguing about her looks. but i can tell you, that's not what gets you the "sexy beast award" or the "premium dating pass."
** i also don't know why she passed on into the elements. she's like any normal person, she finally "died." i hate pc-speak. i just found out you can't call anyone "illegal" anymore - listen, kids, they're called "undocumented persons." baby, when can we have people classified as "taxpayers" and "non-toxpayers?"
** anyway, getting back to this woman: one reason to be pervasively sad is a parent who commits suicide. so don't blame it on india. india is where she found her husband, and he gave her a pretty good life. she lived as any upper crust woman would, she got tons of respect and nice clothes and good kids. she had freedom of speech and lived a very good life. and if she didn't like that life, she wouldn't have liked any life.
** i also think such is the only place where random story-tellers are deified. news for rishi and kris: every day that ruth lived, she passed 2-3 liters of flatus. thanks for passing, ruth.
thank you for your time, boys and have a good day.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

i don't think he ever left. i think he was an architect.

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

Kris wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

>>>I don't remember much by way of specifics from her works, but I didn't find her to be intellectually dishonest. There are two things I vaguely recall. One was about Indians' ability, including her husband and daughters, to sit around shoot the breeze for hours on end, which she couldn't do. The secon was the stages a westerner goes though in India- somehting along the lines of initial excitement, irritation and fatalistic acceptance. I think I have the order right:). On staying on in India, I think that is a generational thing where wife's put their preferences below that of the husbands back in the day.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:in other words, jhabvala's life in india and her early writings about india represent an intellectual artist's self-exploration and journey of discovery.

Kris wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

i don't think he ever left. i think he was an architect.

>>>>I believe he was. I assumed maybe he moved with her to NY, but I guess not. The husband had something unusual about his name-4 initials or some such thing. I am too lazy to google now..

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Kris wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

i don't think he ever left. i think he was an architect.

>>>>I believe he was. I assumed maybe he moved with her to NY, but I guess not. The husband had something unusual about his name-4 initials or some such thing. I am too lazy to google now..

here's more about jhabvala from a current blog in the new yorker for which she wrote many times. an excerpt:

...starting in the seventies, she split her time between New York and New Delhi. But, in fact, that understates her geographical range...

Ruth went on to live an international life. She earned a degree in English Literature at Queen Mary College, London University, and in 1951 she married Cyrus Jhabvala, an architect. Together, they moved to Delhi, where they raised three daughters, who are now married to an Indian, an American, and an Englishman. She had never felt quite settled in India, and eventually she moved to New York.

In a 1979 lecture, Jhabvala spoke about her rootlessness. She shared her admiration for writing that emerged from a sense of tradition and landscape, but she herself felt rootless: "...blown about from country to country, culture to culture, till I feel—till I am—nothing." And yet, she said, this was one of her strengths. Many of her stories are about a kind of inner travel: feeling rootless, her protagonists find new ways to feel at home in the worlds they happen to inhabit.

i see shades of rushdie in the last paragraph. there's a 1979 photograph of her in the blog in which she appears to be wearing a poTTu.

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:in other words, jhabvala's life in india and her early writings about india represent an intellectual artist's self-exploration and journey of discovery.

concatenate random hifalutin words and phrases to sound intellectual? ensure?

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:in other words, jhabvala's life in india and her early writings about india represent an intellectual artist's self-exploration and journey of discovery.

concatenate random hifalutin words and phrases to sound intellectual? ensure?

Rishi wrote:

Huzefa Kapasi wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:in other words, jhabvala's life in india and her early writings about india represent an intellectual artist's self-exploration and journey of discovery.

concatenate random hifalutin words and phrases to sound intellectual? ensure?

I have to be honest here.

JM did what he himself accused TBT of doing.

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Kris wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

i don't think he ever left. i think he was an architect.

>>>>I believe he was. I assumed maybe he moved with her to NY, but I guess not. The husband had something unusual about his name-4 initials or some such thing. I am too lazy to google now..

here's more about jhabvala from a current blog in the new yorker for which she wrote many times. an excerpt:

...starting in the seventies, she split her time between New York and New Delhi. But, in fact, that understates her geographical range...

Ruth went on to live an international life. She earned a degree in English Literature at Queen Mary College, London University, and in 1951 she married Cyrus Jhabvala, an architect. Together, they moved to Delhi, where they raised three daughters, who are now married to an Indian, an American, and an Englishman. She had never felt quite settled in India, and eventually she moved to New York.

In a 1979 lecture, Jhabvala spoke about her rootlessness. She shared her admiration for writing that emerged from a sense of tradition and landscape, but she herself felt rootless: "...blown about from country to country, culture to culture, till I feel—till I am—nothing." And yet, she said, this was one of her strengths. Many of her stories are about a kind of inner travel: feeling rootless, her protagonists find new ways to feel at home in the worlds they happen to inhabit.

i see shades of rushdie in the last paragraph. there's a 1979 photograph of her in the blog in which she appears to be wearing a poTTu.

pravalika nanda wrote:

** i actually don't understand her self-pity. lots of us have spent time on different continents with people of different cultures and we're all doing fine. india is a fantastic place for a jewish woman, i'm sure there was less prejudice against her there than even in manhattan or brooklyn in those times. i think writers tend to be self-absorbed so i can't see myself praising them. it's a leisurely life.
** also, while india is a backward country, i think the indian pre-occupation with spirituality and dharma was what prevented them from killing each other. they had an outlet for their sorrows and explanation for their poverty and ill-luck. it also allowed them to be a multi-racial and religiously diverse nation in spite of the caste system. this is a jewish woman from germany, she could've easily made a happy home in india but it looks like she just spent her time cigarette in one hand, lamenting about this and that. it's not like she gave back to the country. i don't know what the fuss is about.

pravalika nanda wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Kris wrote:

Jeremiah Mburuburu wrote:

Rishi wrote:She was married to an Indian. And she hated India. She did not wanted to be there. In an introduction to one of her books, she said that India was backward which is a fact. She also opined that the spirituality and backwardness kept mutually reinforcing each other.

The only thing that kept her there she said was her love towards her Indian husband. It looks she paid a heavy price for that. If the place is a hellhole then you should not be hanging around there because your spouse does not want leave it.

i don't think he ever left. i think he was an architect.

>>>>I believe he was. I assumed maybe he moved with her to NY, but I guess not. The husband had something unusual about his name-4 initials or some such thing. I am too lazy to google now..

here's more about jhabvala from a current blog in the new yorker for which she wrote many times. an excerpt:

...starting in the seventies, she split her time between New York and New Delhi. But, in fact, that understates her geographical range...

Ruth went on to live an international life. She earned a degree in English Literature at Queen Mary College, London University, and in 1951 she married Cyrus Jhabvala, an architect. Together, they moved to Delhi, where they raised three daughters, who are now married to an Indian, an American, and an Englishman. She had never felt quite settled in India, and eventually she moved to New York.

In a 1979 lecture, Jhabvala spoke about her rootlessness. She shared her admiration for writing that emerged from a sense of tradition and landscape, but she herself felt rootless: "...blown about from country to country, culture to culture, till I feel—till I am—nothing." And yet, she said, this was one of her strengths. Many of her stories are about a kind of inner travel: feeling rootless, her protagonists find new ways to feel at home in the worlds they happen to inhabit.

i see shades of rushdie in the last paragraph. there's a 1979 photograph of her in the blog in which she appears to be wearing a poTTu.

** i actually don't understand her self-pity. lots of us have spent time on different continents with people of different cultures and we're all doing fine. india is a fantastic place for a jewish woman, i'm sure there was less prejudice against her there than even in manhattan or brooklyn in those times. i think writers tend to be self-absorbed so i can't see myself praising them. it's a leisurely life.
** also, while india is a backward country, i think the indian pre-occupation with spirituality and dharma was what prevented them from killing each other. they had an outlet for their sorrows and explanation for their poverty and ill-luck. it also allowed them to be a multi-racial and religiously diverse nation in spite of the caste system. this is a jewish woman from germany, she could've easily made a happy home in india but it looks like she just spent her time cigarette in one hand, lamenting about this and that. it's not like she gave back to the country. i don't know what the fuss is about.