Pakistan facilitating Iran's contacts with Taliban

by rawemotions Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:38 pm

Pakistan considers the Afghan Endgame the most important. The right noises are made with India, so that India does not derail Pakistan's plans to re-occupy Afghanistan. It is no secret that Iran,India and Russia's support to Northern Alliance kept it alive.

This time towards this endgame, Pakistan is trying to break this partnership. It is trying to drive a wedge between Iran and India, to ensure that Iran and India do not have a combined effort against Pakistan. If Iran does not co-operate, Tajkistan is the only route India has to stop a Taliban takeover. In addition Pakistan also has opened channels towards Russia.

Looks like Pakistan and its Army want complete hegemony over Afghanistan and occupy it by proxy.

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2013/06/03/taliban-seen-waltzing-in-tehran/

by Hellsangel Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:40 pm

Why the hell would Shia Iran work with the Sunni Taliban?

by indophile Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:12 pm

And they hire lobbyists here who help op-ed page opinions like this to be published in national newspapers. Look at the purport of this article -- U.S should help Pakistan (that part is okay), and concurrently India's arm needs to be twisted to help with Pakistan's economy (wonder what's in it for India, more terrorism?). That is because if you bring India in the equation, that will make it easier for Pakistan to wiggle through U.S. Congressional hazing (wah-re-wah, what logic!)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-should-remove-barriers-to-trade-with-pakistan-india/2013/06/06/fe7e5540-ce0d-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

by truthbetold Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:31 pm

Indo,
The writer did not ask for much from Indian side. A viable Pakistani democracy is good for India. It is difficult to trust any pak govt., India cannot change its neighbours. India has to be the big brother and continue to take chances without losing sight of security risks.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jun 08, 2013 5:40 pm

indophile wrote:And they hire lobbyists here who help op-ed page opinions like this to be published in national newspapers. Look at the purport of this article -- U.S should help Pakistan (that part is okay), and concurrently India's arm needs to be twisted to help with Pakistan's economy (wonder what's in it for India, more terrorism?). That is because if you bring India in the equation, that will make it easier for Pakistan to wiggle through U.S. Congressional hazing (wah-re-wah, what logic!)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-should-remove-barriers-to-trade-with-pakistan-india/2013/06/06/fe7e5540-ce0d-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

This is same old India being equated with PakiSaitan, which is what PakiSaitan believes and wants. Over the last few years India has been compared with China in everything, and pakistan hates it. This will bring India back in the Paki-Iran-Afghanistan group and away from China-Japan-SE.

India should seriously work to force others to delink India with Pakistan. IF US tilts towards Pakistan, Iran would work against Pakistan which is counter to Paki goals.

This is one problem that cannot be solved either by series or multivariate calculus.

by rawemotions Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:34 pm

indophile wrote:And they hire lobbyists here who help op-ed page opinions like this to be published in national newspapers. Look at the purport of this article -- U.S should help Pakistan (that part is okay), and concurrently India's arm needs to be twisted to help with Pakistan's economy (wonder what's in it for India, more terrorism?). That is because if you bring India in the equation, that will make it easier for Pakistan to wiggle through U.S. Congressional hazing (wah-re-wah, what logic!)

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/us-should-remove-barriers-to-trade-with-pakistan-india/2013/06/06/fe7e5540-ce0d-11e2-8845-d970ccb04497_story.html

Wow! This is the most outlandish piece of article I have ever seen being written. Pour some sugar into sour milk to make it palatable to the US Congress and make them forget the bad deeds of Pakistan. The author does not feel India needs better access to markets for India's own sake. He wants to tag along India to Pakistan, to make Pakistan more palatable. Moreover setting this precedent would effectively bring back the stupid India-Pakistan equation which was effectively broken with George Bush. Give anything to Pakistan, but also give it to India, so that US congress feels good about it. I agree with Uppili in this regard. It is stupid. I hope the Congress is not stupid enough to see through this.

I have a better suggestion to the author, why doesn't the author club Pakistan with Afghanistan or China. China already has duty free goods access.

Ultimately the precedent he wants to set is this. Pakistan is a Snake and it has to be given Milk to keep it from attacking US with its hordes of terrorists. However, to convince people to give it Milk, he wants to club it with a puppy, so that both gets it. The Snake will continue to attack the puppy. He does not care about that!

by rawemotions Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:39 pm

truthbetold wrote:Indo,
The writer did not ask for much from Indian side. A viable Pakistani democracy is good for India. It is difficult to trust any pak govt., India cannot change its neighbours. India has to be the big brother and continue to take chances without losing sight of security risks.

On the contrary the writer is asking a lot from India side.

India should trade with Pakistan only if it benefits Indian long term interests, not because it helps in taming a Snake to not attack the world at large (US). India needs to have its own policy on dealing with Pakistan. It should have full flexibility on when to increase or decrease trade based on Pakistan's actions Vis-a-Vis India NOT Pakistan's actions Vis-a-Vis US. India is NOT answerable to US on how and why it conducts its policies. US intransigence in disregarding repeated Indian claims of Chinese assistance to Pakistan is what degraded the security environment in first place, since it has made Pakistan more belligerent than ever, and now has graduated to Nuclear Blackmail of the world at large and India in particular for the most mundane things.

by rawemotions Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:41 pm

Hellsangel wrote:Why the hell would Shia Iran work with the Sunni Taliban?

Good question! I have a feeling, Iran wants to have its own leverage in the post US dispensation. and Pakistan gets them a way to deal with Taliban. There were also unconfirmed reports that Iran sheltered some Taliban elements in the past few years.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Sat Jun 08, 2013 11:27 pm

Even an illiterate cowherd from Indian village understands the pakistani politics, govt mindset better than these Western experts - really.

pakistan never ever will be really democratic and never free from Military control. kashmir, Islam, Punjabi-Sindh war, pathan-punjab schism, military control, and now Talbani jehadism are all at loggerheads with one another. Their interests cross and any resolution to any of the issues is equally opposed by some others for their own agenda. India also has very similar cross-currents (Cauvery; Tamil-Hindi) but Indians dont resort to AK-47 or Allah, whereas the Pakisaitanis react first by picking up their guns and next screaming to Allah - and the rest the whole world knows.

So this is an evil country that the world has to live with.

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