Looks like Telangana is a certainty

by indophile Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:19 am

because the story in Hindu.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/telangana-looks-certain/article4928690.ece?homepage=true

by truthbetold Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:41 am

The Hindu declares t for congress in 2014. 21 mp seats. that seems to be the reason behind the decision.
the article is saying it is going to be 'rayala telangana'. culturally that is the worst decision one could make.
Jagan will sweep andhra .
economic disaster for Telugu people.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:35 am

indophile wrote:because the story in Hindu.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/telangana-looks-certain/article4928690.ece?homepage=true

NTR was right. CONgress and its chamchas in AP are the curse for AP. Unfortunately, at this time, there is no charismatic leader with a vision. Division of AP will only create problems, pitting Telugus against Telugus for water, revenue sharing, allocation of central funds, building infrastructure, industry, etc. Also, I wonder how Seems people will feel if their area is split in half. Why is blood-sucker Nizam more important than Krishnadevaraya when it comes to maintaining identity? Rayalaseema should tell MT to get lost.

by Propagandhi711 Fri Jul 19, 2013 10:46 am

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
indophile wrote:because the story in Hindu.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/telangana-looks-certain/article4928690.ece?homepage=true

NTR was right. CONgress and its chamchas in AP are the curse for AP. Unfortunately, at this time, there is no charismatic leader with a vision. Division of AP will only create problems, pitting Telugus against Telugus for water, revenue sharing, allocation of central funds, building infrastructure, industry, etc. Also, I wonder how Seems people will feel if their area is split in half. Why is blood-sucker Nizam more important than Krishnadevaraya when it comes to maintaining identity? Rayalaseema should tell MT to get lost.

to be honest, outside of seemandhra there isnt a strong "telugu" identity, rayalaseema is border culture with kannada/tamilnadu culture mixed in. yeah the telangana peeps like to trot out their janapadam stuff but they feel more kinship with that grating hindi-telugu-urdu mix they like to converse in a loud manner over there, maybe they'll like to be part of MP etc in the long run and slip into further obscurity slowly with their feudal power structure/naxal/obstreperous nizam-muslim mix that's been brewing there for the longest. rayalaseema has kinship with coastal and telugu identity and in the long run it's better for these regions to ditch telangana from their own growth perspective, water sharing issues not withstanding. no big loss in the long run otherwise, from andhra perspective imo

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:08 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
indophile wrote:because the story in Hindu.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/telangana-looks-certain/article4928690.ece?homepage=true

NTR was right. CONgress and its chamchas in AP are the curse for AP. Unfortunately, at this time, there is no charismatic leader with a vision. Division of AP will only create problems, pitting Telugus against Telugus for water, revenue sharing, allocation of central funds, building infrastructure, industry, etc. Also, I wonder how Seems people will feel if their area is split in half. Why is blood-sucker Nizam more important than Krishnadevaraya when it comes to maintaining identity? Rayalaseema should tell MT to get lost.

to be honest, outside of seemandhra there isnt a strong "telugu" identity, rayalaseema is border culture with kannada/tamilnadu culture mixed in. yeah the telangana peeps like to trot out their janapadam stuff but they feel more kinship with that grating hindi-telugu-urdu mix they like to converse in a loud manner over there, maybe they'll like to be part of MP etc in the long run and slip into further obscurity slowly with their feudal power structure/naxal/obstreperous nizam-muslim mix that's been brewing there for the longest. rayalaseema has kinship with coastal and telugu identity and in the long run it's better for these regions to ditch telangana from their own growth perspective, water sharing issues not withstanding. no big loss in the long run otherwise, from andhra perspective imo

I agree. Nellore-Chittor Telumge is closer to Telugu than Domalgooda yaasa. KAAAkarkaaaa, bEndkaaaa, chkkukaaaaaa

by Idéfix Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:16 am

andani drAksha paLLu pullana.

by Propagandhi711 Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:37 am

Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.

I guess telangana is the draksha here? sure, lol

by indophile Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:46 am

Poll for a new capital. Nellore is way out in the southern corner, Srikakulam way up in the northern corner. The bread basket districts (the 2 godavari districts and Krishna) are out. Land is far too valuable there (they feed half the country) to be wated on roads and buildings and airports, movie studios, and industries. Vizag is okay, but not as political/cultural capital (also prone to cyclones). That leaves Kurnool and Amaravati in Guntur district where the Krishna river cuts through the mountains. Since there is a possibility that Kurnool too may go into a future Rayalaseema state, it's best to opt for Amaravati. Beautiful scenary, no water problem, reasonably good weather, and alsmost at the geographic center of the state. Also it was a capital of the Satavahana empire.

by Rishi Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:05 pm

indophile wrote:because the story in Hindu.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/telangana-looks-certain/article4928690.ece?homepage=true

Just Curious.

Who is going to make the ultimate decision to divide Andhra Pradesh?

Is it Sonia Gandhi, a white woman who twenty years ago had no idea where Andhra was?

by confuzzled dude Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:07 pm

Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.

Hahaha! was thinking the same, badmouthing other regions ain't gonna do any good.

by Hellsangel Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:15 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.

Hahaha! was thinking the same, badmouthing other regions ain't gonna do any good.

Don't you do that all the time about the part of your state outside of the DC area?

by truthbetold Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:16 pm

Rishi ,
we can blame sonia . but the truth is it is the political greed of certain politicians.
i was born in andhra but spent most of my life in hyd. i am familiar with urban and rural people of both areas and visited more places than most people.
it breaks my heart to see the state broken into pieces. i feel like my joint Hindu family is broken.
vakavaka stated correctly above. this break up will lead to lot of problems. andhra will face water issues and loss of revenues. t will in the longrun lose because of geographical and cultural limitations.
sad times for Telugu people.

by confuzzled dude Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:22 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
indophile wrote:because the story in Hindu.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/telangana-looks-certain/article4928690.ece?homepage=true

NTR was right. CONgress and its chamchas in AP are the curse for AP. Unfortunately, at this time, there is no charismatic leader with a vision. Division of AP will only create problems, pitting Telugus against Telugus for water, revenue sharing, allocation of central funds, building infrastructure, industry, etc. Also, I wonder how Seems people will feel if their area is split in half. Why is blood-sucker Nizam more important than Krishnadevaraya when it comes to maintaining identity? Rayalaseema should tell MT to get lost.

NTR and his cronies should be indebted to Congress forever, for rejecting his request for Rajysabha seat, else he'd have left this world as another chamcha of congress Smile

by truthbetold Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:32 pm

Cd,
who gave you the real inside story of ntr begging for rajya sabha seat?
Irresponsible speculation based comments.

by confuzzled dude Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:33 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.

Hahaha! was thinking the same, badmouthing other regions ain't gonna do any good.

Don't you do that all the time about the part of your state outside of the DC area?

Come again, please. They weren't opining ideological differences.

by Hellsangel Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:34 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.

Hahaha! was thinking the same, badmouthing other regions ain't gonna do any good.

Don't you do that all the time about the part of your state outside of the DC area?

Come again, please. They weren't opining ideological differences.

I see. What were they opining?

by indophile Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:40 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:
indophile wrote:
I agree. Nellore-Chittor Telumge is closer to Telugu than Domalgooda yaasa. KAAAkarkaaaa, bEndkaaaa, chkkukaaaaaa

hatavidhee! Telugu Mahabharata - 15 of the total 18 parvas (books) was written in Nellore. Vemana, Annamacharya and Tyagaraja's ancestors were all from Rayalaseema. Telugu Bhagavatam of Potana was written in Warangal in Telangana. The golden period of Telugu literature occurred during Krishnadevaraya's time in Rayalaseema. Vemulavada Bheemakavi was from Telangana. Bharachala Ramadas was from Telangana. Mallinatha Suri, whose commentaries on the pancha-maha-kavyas of Sanskrit (the 5 greatest works in Sanskrit) which are unsurpassed to this day, was from Medak in Telangana. Ponnaganti Teluganna, who wrote the only real Telugu kavya (without employing a single Sanskrit word) was from Hyderabad. These achievements in the Telugu language from Telanganites and Rayaseemites cannot be completely discounted.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:54 pm

NizamE. Avvanni paatavi. Aa rOjullO arava vaalla influence takkuva (Nellore, Chittor, etc.). Potana time lO, Kaakateeyas spoke proper telugu. Tul-ur-mar came after that. Atu arava vaallu, itu Bahamani/Golkonda vaallu, Telugu ni khoonee chEsaaru. Ippudu, POtana bhaagavatam Warangal kurraallaki ardham kaadEmO.

by Propagandhi711 Fri Jul 19, 2013 12:58 pm

Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Hellsangel wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.

Hahaha! was thinking the same, badmouthing other regions ain't gonna do any good.

Don't you do that all the time about the part of your state outside of the DC area?

Come again, please. They weren't opining ideological differences.

I see. What were they opining?

they were opining armament differences.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:04 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.

I guess telangana is the draksha here? sure, lol

In reality, Hyderabad drAksha paLLu are much better than Kosta grapes. I used to go to Mozamjahi market to buy a variety of them (and peddA maamidi rasaalu).

by indophile Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:18 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:NizamE. Avvanni paatavi. Aa rOjullO arava vaalla influence takkuva (Nellore, Chittor, etc.). Potana time lO, Kaakateeyas spoke proper telugu. Tul-ur-mar came after that. Atu arava vaallu, itu Bahamani/Golkonda vaallu, Telugu ni khoonee chEsaaru. Ippudu, POtana bhaagavatam Warangal kurraallaki ardham kaadEmO.

ఈ రొజుల్లో సినిమా భాష - భక్తప్రహ్లాద

ప్రహ్లాద --- నీకంత సీను లేదు డాడీ

హిరణ్యకశిపు ---- ఏమన్నవు నీ యెంకమ్మా, నిను అడ్డంగా నరికేసి, లేపేస్తా నా కొడకా, నకరాలు చేస్తావుర

ప్రహ్లాద --- లైట్ తీస్కో డాడీ, ఆడెక్కడబడితే అక్కడే ఉన్నాడని యాద్ ఉంచుకో

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:26 pm

indophile wrote:Poll for a new capital. Nellore is way out in the southern corner, Srikakulam way up in the northern corner. The bread basket districts (the 2 godavari districts and Krishna) are out. Land is far too valuable there (they feed half the country) to be wated on roads and buildings and airports, movie studios, and industries. Vizag is okay, but not as political/cultural capital (also prone to cyclones). That leaves Kurnool and Amaravati in Guntur district where the Krishna river cuts through the mountains. Since there is a possibility that Kurnool too may go into a future Rayalaseema state, it's best to opt for Amaravati. Beautiful scenary, no water problem, reasonably good weather, and alsmost at the geographic center of the state. Also it was a capital of the Satavahana empire.

Aahaa manchi maata selavicchhaaru - Guntur zillaa polaala dharalu perigi pOtAi. Maa polaalu ammukoni, retire aipOyi, Vizag lO Raamakrishnaa matam beach ki velli kwality icecream thintoo koorchOvacchu.

Reality check: Varada vasthE, Amaravati munigi pOtundi.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jul 19, 2013 1:28 pm

indophile wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:NizamE. Avvanni paatavi. Aa rOjullO arava vaalla influence takkuva (Nellore, Chittor, etc.). Potana time lO, Kaakateeyas spoke proper telugu. Tul-ur-mar came after that. Atu arava vaallu, itu Bahamani/Golkonda vaallu, Telugu ni khoonee chEsaaru. Ippudu, POtana bhaagavatam Warangal kurraallaki ardham kaadEmO.

ఈ రొజుల్లో సినిమా భాష - భక్తప్రహ్లాద

ప్రహ్లాద --- నీకంత సీను లేదు డాడీ

హిరణ్యకశిపు ---- ఏమన్నవు నీ యెంకమ్మా, నిను అడ్డంగా నరికేసి, లేపేస్తా నా కొడకా, నకరాలు చేస్తావుర

ప్రహ్లాద --- లైట్ తీస్కో డాడీ, ఆడెక్కడబడితే అక్కడే ఉన్నాడని యాద్ ఉంచుకో

LOL.

by Propagandhi711 Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:22 pm

truthbetold wrote:Cd,
who gave you the real inside story of ntr begging for rajya sabha seat?
Irresponsible speculation based comments.

he got the inside track to YSR and jagan's camp..they gave him the skinny on dealings back in 1983

by indophile Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:36 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Aahaa manchi maata selavicchhaaru - Guntur zillaa polaala dharalu perigi pOtAi. Maa polaalu ammukoni, retire aipOyi, Vizag lO Raamakrishnaa matam beach ki velli kwality icecream thintoo koorchOvacchu.

Reality check: Varada vasthE, Amaravati munigi pOtundi.

amaraavati ante maree amaraavate avvakkarle. aa pakkane vunna kondala meeda, mittala meeda kattocchugaa illoo vaakilloonu.

by confuzzled dude Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:41 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Cd,
who gave you the real inside story of ntr begging for rajya sabha seat?
Irresponsible speculation based comments.

he got the inside track to YSR and jagan's camp..they gave him the skinny on dealings back in 1983

Per the blog linked below, it was in the book authored by Nadendla Bhaskara rao, architect of Telugu Desam party.

When he was about to leave, Nadendla told NTR that, he heard that, NTR was trying for Rajya Sabha seat.

by confuzzled dude Fri Jul 19, 2013 2:45 pm

indophile wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:

Aahaa manchi maata selavicchhaaru - Guntur zillaa polaala dharalu perigi pOtAi. Maa polaalu ammukoni, retire aipOyi, Vizag lO Raamakrishnaa matam beach ki velli kwality icecream thintoo koorchOvacchu.

Reality check: Varada vasthE, Amaravati munigi pOtundi.

amaraavati ante maree amaraavate avvakkarle. aa pakkane vunna kondala meeda, mittala meeda kattocchugaa illoo vaakilloonu.

Daactaru gari vvuru pick cheyyandi; all happies(u)

by indophile Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:01 pm

Rishi wrote:
indophile wrote:because the story in Hindu.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/telangana-looks-certain/article4928690.ece?homepage=true

Just Curious.

Who is going to make the ultimate decision to divide Andhra Pradesh?

Is it Sonia Gandhi, a white woman who twenty years ago had no idea where Andhra was?

In reality it's Sonia Gandhi. But they keep talking about CWC (Congress Working Committee) deciding, and the proposal to be introduced at a Central Cabinet meeting. Something like - "We will hang him after the trial." (decide first, and then follow some cooked up procedure to accord some legitimacy to the decision.

by Kayalvizhi Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:19 pm

Why are Hindians in New delhi deciding the matter instead of Telugus? Are you Telugus take offense?

by indophile Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:26 pm

That is because Telugus are divided across regional lines (language variations, resource sharing, castes and creeds etc.), and politicians only look after their persoanl interests.

by confuzzled dude Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:49 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:Why are Hindians in New delhi deciding the matter instead of Telugus? Are you Telugus take offense?

No. Telugus like to follow democratic process unlike you know who.

by truthbetold Fri Jul 19, 2013 3:56 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Why are Hindians in New delhi deciding the matter instead of Telugus? Are you Telugus take offense?

No. Telugus like to follow democratic process unlike you know who.

Prostrating before sonia is a form of democracy?

by confuzzled dude Fri Jul 19, 2013 4:05 pm

truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Why are Hindians in New delhi deciding the matter instead of Telugus? Are you Telugus take offense?

No. Telugus like to follow democratic process unlike you know who.
Prostrating before sonia is a form of democracy?

Did CBN do that! I thought he was on-board with separate Telangana idea along with other political parties after changing his allegiances a few times, not that anything wrong with that it's hallmark of every politician

by pravalika nanda Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:25 pm

Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.

dude, no one cares about hyderabad....I imagine pak must be smtg like that. but are those guys going to get ttd? ttd is so wealthy and rich in history, i'd hate to lose it to those kind of people who'd not value it. but as mom says jagan won't get his hands on it.

I feel sad too, you and I won't be from the same state any more and in a few hundred years we're going to be like Andhra and Karnataka - we'll share the same script and a few words and nothing else.

anyhow, vichara karamaina visesham.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:39 pm

Rayalaseema should be merged with TN...otherwise they will be abused and exploited by Andhra, Telengana, and Nizaami gults.

We Thamizhans are with Rayalaseemalus.

by Kayalvizhi Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:44 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Why are Hindians in New delhi deciding the matter instead of Telugus? Are you Telugus take offense?

No. Telugus like to follow democratic process unlike you know who.

Do you understand democracy? It is peoplke deciding their future. Here Telugu people. Why arte Hindians deciding your future? You could as well stayed under British decide it for you.

by Kayalvizhi Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:47 pm

What is mntg, ttd?

by goodcitizn Fri Jul 19, 2013 8:52 pm

Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.

Does this translate to "the grass is greener on that side"?

Which faction wants the division more, the telangana or the rayalseema?

How will the central government funding be apportioned ... based on population strength, percentage of tax revenue contributed or what?

by Kayalvizhi Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:04 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
How will the central government funding be apportioned ... based on population strength, percentage of tax revenue contributed or what?

Hindians will take a lot of tax monies frpm both. Then give each some depending who is more servient to Hindians.

by goodcitizn Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:10 pm

Kayalvizhi wrote:
goodcitizn wrote:
How will the central government funding be apportioned ... based on population strength, percentage of tax revenue contributed or what?

Hindians will take a lot of tax monies frpm both. Then give each some depending who is more servient to Hindians.

I am not sure how or on what basis the central govt is currently allocating funds to various states in India. If and when Telangana becomes an entity I presume the same logic would be used. I was curious if someone on this board knew the answer. Usually Car or Hellsbells comes up with something.

by Kayalvizhi Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:11 pm

I know the answer. Hindian politicians decide which state get how many.

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:21 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.
Does this translate to "the grass is greener on that side"?

Which faction wants the division more, the telangana or the rayalseema?

How will the central government funding be apportioned ... based on population strength, percentage of tax revenue contributed or what?

People of all three regions don't want the division. Only the politicians of Telangana want it (mainly for the revenue that Hyderabad generates). If Hyderabad is made a UT, these politicians will destroy 1000 more vehicles and make 1000 more "students" commit suicide.

If you remove Hyderabad from the revenue picture, Coastal AP generates more revenue compared to Telangana and Seema. Population wise also, the coastal area has more people. But Telangana politicians cry and ask for more because they have been keeping it backward (just like what the Nizam had done in the past). In reality, Northern coastal AP, Rayalaseema are also backward. Knowing the CONbehavior of MT et al., they will apportion the funds according to whichever formula gives them most MPs. Since they already figured that coastal AP (and Seema) will be voting for corrupt sAmrat Jagan, I think, MT and her cronies will favor giving more money to Telangana (for the politicians to gobble it up and to go to Delhi with money bags once a week).

by Kayalvizhi Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:27 pm

>> they will apportion the funds according to whichever formula gives them most MPs.

Is it not what I said succinctly. Hindian politicians will decide, not on the basis of any formula.

by confuzzled dude Fri Jul 19, 2013 9:39 pm

goodcitizn wrote:
Idéfix wrote:andani drAksha paLLu pullana.
Does this translate to "the grass is greener on that side"?

Which faction wants the division more, the telangana or the rayalseema?

How will the central government funding be apportioned ... based on population strength, percentage of tax revenue contributed or what?

It means "Sour Grapes". Telangana folks want a separate state.

by Idéfix Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:17 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:NTR was right. CONgress and its chamchas in AP are the curse for AP. Unfortunately, at this time, there is no charismatic leader with a vision. Division of AP will only create problems, pitting Telugus against Telugus for water, revenue sharing, allocation of central funds, building infrastructure, industry, etc.

I agree.

by Idéfix Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:27 pm

Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:NizamE. Avvanni paatavi. Aa rOjullO arava vaalla influence takkuva (Nellore, Chittor, etc.). Potana time lO, Kaakateeyas spoke proper telugu. Tul-ur-mar came after that. Atu arava vaallu, itu Bahamani/Golkonda vaallu, Telugu ni khoonee chEsaaru. Ippudu, POtana bhaagavatam Warangal kurraallaki ardham kaadEmO.

meeku telangANalO asalu paristhitulu teliyaka adigO puli anTE idigO tOka annaTlu mATlADutunnaru. grAndhika bhAsha -- pOtanadi ayinA tikkanadi ayinA -- aTu varangallulO, iTu rAjamanDrilO "kurrakunkalaku" sasEmirA artham kAdu. adEdO I Adhunika yugam tecchi peTTina dusthhiti anukunTArEmO mIru -- alA kUDA kAdu. pOtana, tikkana pustakAlu rAsina samayamlO kUDa grAndhikAnikI vyAvahArikAnikI nakkaku nAgalOkAniki vunnanta tEDanE vunDEdi.

by Marathadi-Saamiyaar Fri Jul 19, 2013 11:44 pm

Idéfix wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:NTR was right. CONgress and its chamchas in AP are the curse for AP. Unfortunately, at this time, there is no charismatic leader with a vision. Division of AP will only create problems, pitting Telugus against Telugus for water, revenue sharing, allocation of central funds, building infrastructure, industry, etc.
I agree.

Krishna and narmada issues will dwarf cauvery problems.

by Idéfix Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:05 am

Idéfix wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:NizamE. Avvanni paatavi. Aa rOjullO arava vaalla influence takkuva (Nellore, Chittor, etc.). Potana time lO, Kaakateeyas spoke proper telugu. Tul-ur-mar came after that. Atu arava vaallu, itu Bahamani/Golkonda vaallu, Telugu ni khoonee chEsaaru. Ippudu, POtana bhaagavatam Warangal kurraallaki ardham kaadEmO.
meeku telangANalO asalu paristhitulu teliyaka adigO puli anTE idigO tOka annaTlu mATlADutunnaru. grAndhika bhAsha -- pOtanadi ayinA tikkanadi ayinA -- aTu varangallulO, iTu rAjamanDrilO "kurrakunkalaku" sasEmirA artham kAdu. adEdO I Adhunika yugam tecchi peTTina dusthhiti anukunTArEmO mIru -- alA kUDA kAdu. pOtana, tikkana pustakAlu rAsina samayamlO kUDa grAndhikAnikI vyAvahArikAnikI nakkaku nAgalOkAniki vunnanta tEDanE vunDEdi.

One more thing... narratives like yours tend to emphasize the Muslim rule of Telangana, and contrast it with some notion of "purity" in coastal Andhra. The historical reality is different, and let me illustrate this with some broad brush strokes*:

1323 - c. 1330: Most Telugu lands under Muslim rule (after the conquest of Warangal)
c. 1330 - c. 1420: Most Telugu lands under Hindu rule (various Nayakas who used to be feudatories of the Kakatiyas, united under the Musunuri Nayakas)
c. 1420 - c. 1510: Telangana under Muslim rule (Bahmani), Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra under Hindu rule (Reddy rajulu + Vijayanagaram)
c. 1510 - c. 1530: Telangana under Muslim rule (Golconda), Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra under Hindu rule (Krishnadevaraya)
c. 1530 - 1687: Most Telugu lands (including modern Vijayawada, Guntur, Rajahmundry) under Muslim rule (Golconda)
1687 - 1823: Most Telugu lands (including modern Vijayawada, Guntur, Rajahmundry) under Muslim rule (Mughals, and their successors the Nizams)
1823 - c. 1950: Telangana and part of Rayalaseema under Muslim rule (Nizams), part of Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra under Christian rule (British Raj)
c. 1950 - now: All Telugu lands under (at least nominally) secular rule

So if you think about the 690 years since the first Muslim invasion of Telugu lands, this is how it breaks down:

All or most Telugu lands under Muslim rule: 300 years
All or most Telugu lands under non-Muslim rule: 150 years
Telangana under Muslim rule, coastal Andhra under non-Muslim rule: 240 years

In other words, for 20% of the time since the first Muslim incursion, most Telugu lands were ruled by non-Muslims. During the remaining time when there was some significant Muslim rule of Telugu lands, 55% of the time coastal Andhra was also part of that Muslim rule, and for the remaining 45% Telangana was ruled by Muslims while coastal Andhra was not.

IMO, the pertinent issue is not as much the long history of Muslim rule of historical AndhradEsam, but the particularly rapacious rule of the Nizams, specifically the last one over much of the 20th century. If you had a time machine and went back and compared Guntur and Nalgonda districts in say the 1880s, you probably wouldn't find much difference in development. The difference we see today is attributable primarily to two causes: the Nizam regime, and the poor treatment of Telangana in post-independence resource allocation.

* The timelines and definitions I used are broadly correct, but I did not go for precision. For instance, the port town of Machilipatnam got out of the Nizam's rule much earlier than Guntur did.

by Idéfix Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:16 am

confuzzled dude wrote:
Kayalvizhi wrote:Why are Hindians in New delhi deciding the matter instead of Telugus? Are you Telugus take offense?

No. Telugus like to follow democratic process unlike you know who.

What is democratic about Sonia Gandhi deciding whether Telugu people should have one state or two? Who elected her to make that decision?

by Vakavaka Pakapaka Sat Jul 20, 2013 12:23 am

Idéfix wrote:
Idéfix wrote:
Vakavaka Pakapaka wrote:NizamE. Avvanni paatavi. Aa rOjullO arava vaalla influence takkuva (Nellore, Chittor, etc.). Potana time lO, Kaakateeyas spoke proper telugu. Tul-ur-mar came after that. Atu arava vaallu, itu Bahamani/Golkonda vaallu, Telugu ni khoonee chEsaaru. Ippudu, POtana bhaagavatam Warangal kurraallaki ardham kaadEmO.
meeku telangANalO asalu paristhitulu teliyaka adigO puli anTE idigO tOka annaTlu mATlADutunnaru. grAndhika bhAsha -- pOtanadi ayinA tikkanadi ayinA -- aTu varangallulO, iTu rAjamanDrilO "kurrakunkalaku" sasEmirA artham kAdu. adEdO I Adhunika yugam tecchi peTTina dusthhiti anukunTArEmO mIru -- alA kUDA kAdu. pOtana, tikkana pustakAlu rAsina samayamlO kUDa grAndhikAnikI vyAvahArikAnikI nakkaku nAgalOkAniki vunnanta tEDanE vunDEdi.
One more thing... narratives like yours tend to emphasize the Muslim rule of Telangana, and contrast it with some notion of "purity" in coastal Andhra. The historical reality is different, and let me illustrate this with some broad brush strokes*:

1323 - c. 1330: Most Telugu lands under Muslim rule (after the conquest of Warangal)
c. 1330 - c. 1420: Most Telugu lands under Hindu rule (various Nayakas who used to be feudatories of the Kakatiyas, united under the Musunuri Nayakas)
c. 1420 - c. 1510: Telangana under Muslim rule (Bahmani), Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra under Hindu rule (Reddy rajulu + Vijayanagaram)
c. 1510 - c. 1530: Telangana under Muslim rule (Golconda), Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra under Hindu rule (Krishnadevaraya)
c. 1530 - 1687: Most Telugu lands (including modern Vijayawada, Guntur, Rajahmundry) under Muslim rule (Golconda)
1687 - 1823: Most Telugu lands (including modern Vijayawada, Guntur, Rajahmundry) under Muslim rule (Mughals, and their successors the Nizams)
1823 - c. 1950: Telangana and part of Rayalaseema under Muslim rule (Nizams), part of Rayalaseema and coastal Andhra under Christian rule (British Raj)
c. 1950 - now: All Telugu lands under (at least nominally) secular rule

So if you think about the 690 years since the first Muslim invasion of Telugu lands, this is how it breaks down:

All or most Telugu lands under Muslim rule: 300 years
All or most Telugu lands under non-Muslim rule: 150 years
Telangana under Muslim rule, coastal Andhra under non-Muslim rule: 240 years

In other words, for 20% of the time since the first Muslim incursion, most Telugu lands were ruled by non-Muslims. During the remaining time when there was some significant Muslim rule of Telugu lands, 55% of the time coastal Andhra was also part of that Muslim rule, and for the remaining 45% Telangana was ruled by Muslims while coastal Andhra was not.

IMO, the pertinent issue is not as much the long history of Muslim rule of historical AndhradEsam, but the particularly rapacious rule of the Nizams, specifically the last one over much of the 20th century. If you had a time machine and went back and compared Guntur and Nalgonda districts in say the 1880s, you probably wouldn't find much difference in development. The difference we see today is attributable primarily to two causes: the Nizam regime, and the poor treatment of Telangana in post-independence resource allocation.

* The timelines and definitions I used are broadly correct, but I did not go for precision. For instance, the port town of Machilipatnam got out of the Nizam's rule much earlier than Guntur did.

Interesting. However, I think the Muslim control over coastal areas was somewhat marginal. They also fostered cultural activities (Kuchipudi, for exampe). As in the case of Kosta, Tamil and Kannada areas that were under Muslim rule probably maintained their language and culture intact. Telangana? I still think that its original Telugu is corrupted by interventions. If you read Potana, it is different from modern Telangana bhasha.

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