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Post by indophile Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:53 am

No, not another movie actor!
Congress is trying to avoid Presidents Rule, and the guy fits the caste politics characteristic of the state. Kammas are with Naidu, and Reddys (along with Christians and Dalits) are with Jagan, both enemies of Congress as of now. So Congress salvaging whatever in SA can only be done through the third dominant caste, the Kapus, and Chiranjeevi fits the bill since he has been "extremely faithful" to Sonia recently. Can we put 2 & 2 together?

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Post by Propagandhi711 Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:04 pm

his kapu constituency hates him for abandoning kapunadu for personal benefit...highly unlikely

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Post by smArtha Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:11 pm

indophile wrote:No, not another movie actor!
Congress is trying to avoid Presidents Rule, and the guy fits the caste politics characteristic of the state. Kammas are with Naidu, and Reddys (along with Christians and Dalits) are with Jagan, both enemies of Congress as of now. So Congress salvaging whatever in SA can only be done through the third dominant caste, the Kapus, and Chiranjeevi fits the bill since he has been "extremely faithful" to Sonia recently. Can we put 2 & 2 together?

Do you mean the stop gap CM? Doesn't matter who rules for a month or two. What matters is who would SA folks choose for the coming 5-years.

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Post by truthbetold Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:50 pm

smArtha wrote:
indophile wrote:No, not another movie actor!
Congress is trying to avoid Presidents Rule, and the guy fits the caste politics characteristic of the state. Kammas are with Naidu, and Reddys (along with Christians and Dalits) are with Jagan, both enemies of Congress as of now. So Congress salvaging whatever in SA can only be done through the third dominant caste, the Kapus, and Chiranjeevi fits the bill since he has been "extremely faithful" to Sonia recently. Can we put 2 & 2 together?

Do you mean the stop gap CM? Doesn't matter who rules for a month or two. What matters is who would SA folks choose for the coming 5-years.

is chiranjeevi stupid enough.to become cm for two months and take the blame for a massive Drubbing?

what are your.picks for seemandhra? i posted mine in the other thread?

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Post by indophile Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:07 pm

It's not going to be 2-3 months. Latest reports say anywhere from 6 months to a year. MLA elections in Andhra and Telangana will be postponed (they will not be held together with the General Election in May), it appears.
   Similar to the "ek din ka sultan" concept, some opine Chiranjeevi's life's ambition is to become CM for at least one day. Assuming it's an uncharitable remark of his detractors, it is still not improbable to assume that if Mataji says "you be the CM until I say stop," he would lap up the great opportunity.
   As for the long run, Congress has no future in SA, and it's a tussle between Naidu and Jagan. and my guess is Jagan will win, unless of course, he is thrown in jail again.

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Post by truthbetold Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:18 pm

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that is something new. I heard the possibility. i am not sure if kcr would accept to wait for one more year. But a one year cm could be tempting for chiranjeevi.
Congress can then use capital selection to divide Costa and rayalaseema to play mischief.
i am really feeling sorry for seemandhra people.

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Post by b_A Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:20 pm

truthbetold wrote:
smArtha wrote:
indophile wrote:No, not another movie actor!
Congress is trying to avoid Presidents Rule, and the guy fits the caste politics characteristic of the state. Kammas are with Naidu, and Reddys (along with Christians and Dalits) are with Jagan, both enemies of Congress as of now. So Congress salvaging whatever in SA can only be done through the third dominant caste, the Kapus, and Chiranjeevi fits the bill since he has been "extremely faithful" to Sonia recently. Can we put 2 & 2 together?

Do you mean the stop gap CM? Doesn't matter who rules for a month or two. What matters is who would SA folks choose for the coming 5-years.

is chiranjeevi stupid enough.to become cm for two months and take the blame for a massive Drubbing?

what are your.picks for seemandhra? i posted mine in the other thread?
Judging by his recent utterances , he is.

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Post by indophile Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:38 pm

You can do a lot of damage (i.e., to the people, while personally enriching yourself and your cronies and relatives) in the CM's seat even for a very short time.

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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:43 pm

indophile wrote:No, not another movie actor!
Congress is trying to avoid Presidents Rule, and the guy fits the caste politics characteristic of the state. Kammas are with Naidu, and Reddys (along with Christians and Dalits) are with Jagan, both enemies of Congress as of now. So Congress salvaging whatever in SA can only be done through the third dominant caste, the Kapus, and Chiranjeevi fits the bill since he has been "extremely faithful" to Sonia recently. Can we put 2 & 2 together?
Are you suggesting that Kapus would support Congress if Chiru or Botsa made to the CM kurchee. I doubt it.

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Post by indophile Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:44 pm

I doubt it too. But that's Congress' best hope in SA.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:55 pm

I hope not!

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Post by indophile Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:02 pm

Is Botsa a Kapu? I thought he belongs to the caste of moonshine makers/sellers. In South Orissa and Southeastern Chattisghar (and also some parts of Srikakulam in AP) we call them Sondis. They are generally very rich and very good-looking people. I don't know what that caste is called in Andhra.

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Post by smArtha Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:04 pm

indophile wrote:You can do a lot of damage (i.e., to the people, while personally enriching yourself and your cronies and relatives) in the CM's seat even for a very short time.

Not too much in 2-3 months especially with only the Executive functions and no legislative process. All executive orders are wholly and easily reversible by the incumbent governments.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:13 pm

indophile wrote:Is Botsa a Kapu? I thought he belongs to the caste of moonshine makers/sellers. In South Orissa and Southeastern Chattisghar (and also some parts of Srikakulam in AP) we call them Sondis. They are generally very rich and very good-looking people. I don't know what that caste is called in Andhra.
Hmm... Botsa doesn't look like a Sondi! May be his mother was "progressive" and "liberal".

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Post by indophile Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:18 pm

I had many friends among Sondis while growing up. Not all of their families distilled moonshine. Some were businessmen involved in timber, forest products, etc. They really are very hardworking and very good-looking people.  
Here is something about the origins of Sondis.

http://sondicaste.blogspot.com/p/sondicaste.html

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Post by nevada Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:21 pm

indophile wrote:You can do a lot of damage (i.e., to the people, while personally enriching yourself and your cronies and relatives) in the CM's seat even for a very short time.

And you can also get caught and go to jail like Jagan. I hope the spineless sell out Chiranjeevi goes to jail as well.

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Post by Impedimenta Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:25 pm

nevada wrote:
indophile wrote:You can do a lot of damage (i.e., to the people, while personally enriching yourself and your cronies and relatives) in the CM's seat even for a very short time.

And you can also get caught and go to jail like Jagan. I hope the spineless sell out Chiranjeevi goes to jail as well.

why do you think he is spineless? i am merely curious. i have no knowledge of AP politics. i just thought that chiranjeevi had a demigod status there.

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Post by indophile Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:35 pm

Impedimenta wrote:
nevada wrote:
indophile wrote:You can do a lot of damage (i.e., to the people, while personally enriching yourself and your cronies and relatives) in the CM's seat even for a very short time.

And you can also get caught and go to jail like Jagan. I hope the spineless sell out Chiranjeevi goes to jail as well.

why do you think he is spineless? i am merely curious. i have no knowledge of AP politics. i just thought that chiranjeevi had a demigod status there.
Well, he started a party and hoped to win the whole shebang, but ended up with just a handful of seats. Then he allowed himself and his party to be subsumed into Congress for a central ministership, and partied till sunrise to mark the great occasion. Instead of resigning (when the center divided the state) he had the chutpazh to criticize the AP Congress MPs and central ministers who resigned for not following Mataji's orders. And now the reports are saying he may be annointed with the next Chief Ministership of AP through Mataji's good graces.

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Post by nevada Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:40 pm

Impedimenta wrote:
nevada wrote:
indophile wrote:You can do a lot of damage (i.e., to the people, while personally enriching yourself and your cronies and relatives) in the CM's seat even for a very short time.

And you can also get caught and go to jail like Jagan. I hope the spineless sell out Chiranjeevi goes to jail as well.

why do you think he is spineless? i am merely curious. i have no knowledge of AP politics. i just thought that chiranjeevi had a demigod status there.

He launched a political party in AP. Contested the elections as this anti establishment do-gooder hero. Bashed congress party incessantly. Even during the elections he didn't show much spine. He contested from his home constituency as well as another constituency because he lacked confidence that he could win at home. And not surprisingly, he lost in his home constituency. 
His party got 20-25 seats in the AP assembly, dashing his hopes of becoming CM. Then, about 2 years after the election he merged his party with the congress party, the very same party he had bashed for so long and vowed to replace. So, IMO he is a spineless sell out who has no principles or self respect.

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Post by garam_kuta Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:46 pm

nevada wrote:
Impedimenta wrote:
nevada wrote:
indophile wrote:You can do a lot of damage (i.e., to the people, while personally enriching yourself and your cronies and relatives) in the CM's seat even for a very short time.

And you can also get caught and go to jail like Jagan. I hope the spineless sell out Chiranjeevi goes to jail as well.

why do you think he is spineless? i am merely curious. i have no knowledge of AP politics. i just thought that chiranjeevi had a demigod status there.

He launched a political party in AP. Contested the elections as this anti establishment do-gooder hero. Bashed congress party incessantly. Even during the elections he didn't show much spine. He contested from his home constituency as well as another constituency because he lacked confidence that he could win at home. And not surprisingly, he lost in his home constituency. 
His party got 20-25 seats in the AP assembly, dashing his hopes of becoming CM. Then, about 2 years after the election he merged his party with the congress party, the very same party he had bashed for so long and vowed to replace. So, IMO he is a spineless sell out who has no principles or self respect.

so, impee, now that you know more about the man, what's your view now?

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Post by Propagandhi711 Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:51 pm

indophile wrote:No, not another movie actor!
Congress is trying to avoid Presidents Rule, and the guy fits the caste politics characteristic of the state. Kammas are with Naidu, and Reddys (along with Christians and Dalits) are with Jagan, both enemies of Congress as of now. So Congress salvaging whatever in SA can only be done through the third dominant caste, the Kapus, and Chiranjeevi fits the bill since he has been "extremely faithful" to Sonia recently. Can we put 2 & 2 together?

I dont think that's true at current time, especially with congress ranks filled with kammas up and down in seemandhra and TDP is a snake pit of weak leadership and infighting at the top with that blighted NTR family. will be interesting to see how things will shake up, will older caste equations reassert themselves with this division or will there be new lines drawn purely out of self interest. superficially, I see kammas and naidus aligning together against jagan's reddy & dalit christian constituency but neither community have a particular affinity/like towards each other. also wonder what happens with brahmins, JP is simply not someone with mass appeal..who do they align themselves with? traditionally they were congress supporters (reddy camp basically) but jagan's christian baggage is not very appealing to them

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Post by smArtha Mon Feb 24, 2014 2:55 pm

Propagandhi711 wrote:also wonder what happens with brahmins, JP is simply not someone with mass appeal..who do they align themselves with? traditionally they were congress supporters (reddy camp basically) but jagan's christian baggage is not very appealing to them

JP is not a brahmin, if that was an assumption above. He is from Kamma/Chowdary community. Brahmins in AP don't have enough strength to impact the political outcomes of any party, even if they consolidate and vote to one party/person.

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Post by Propagandhi711 Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:11 pm

smArtha wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:also wonder what happens with brahmins, JP is simply not someone with mass appeal..who do they align themselves with? traditionally they were congress supporters (reddy camp basically) but jagan's christian baggage is not very appealing to them

JP is not a brahmin, if that was an assumption above. He is from Kamma/Chowdary community. Brahmins in AP don't have enough strength to impact the political outcomes of any party, even if they consolidate and vote to one party/person.

I didnt know about his caste, assumed he was brahmin for some reason. brahmin voters are typically urban dwelling middleclass so I must have conflated their support with some caste loyalties. regarding his chances, maybe he gets some urban votes at the periphery but it's a small constituency...

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Post by truthbetold Mon Feb 24, 2014 3:46 pm

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Smartha is right. but using rishi's criteria for identifying real Brahmins, jp fits the bill. really smart and sincere guy.
India has a habit of self destruction.
pvn did great. sent home.
vajpayee put India firmly on the path of economic growth and shut the socialist wagon. again sent home.
Sm Krishna , cbn , were sent home.
nitish kumar will lose in bihar.
I am glad that Chauhan got reelected.
the pattern of good politicians losing will not incentivize good behaviour.

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Post by Impedimenta Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:00 pm

nevada wrote:
Impedimenta wrote:
nevada wrote:
indophile wrote:You can do a lot of damage (i.e., to the people, while personally enriching yourself and your cronies and relatives) in the CM's seat even for a very short time.

And you can also get caught and go to jail like Jagan. I hope the spineless sell out Chiranjeevi goes to jail as well.

why do you think he is spineless? i am merely curious. i have no knowledge of AP politics. i just thought that chiranjeevi had a demigod status there.

He launched a political party in AP. Contested the elections as this anti establishment do-gooder hero. Bashed congress party incessantly. Even during the elections he didn't show much spine. He contested from his home constituency as well as another constituency because he lacked confidence that he could win at home. And not surprisingly, he lost in his home constituency. 
His party got 20-25 seats in the AP assembly, dashing his hopes of becoming CM. Then, about 2 years after the election he merged his party with the congress party, the very same party he had bashed for so long and vowed to replace. So, IMO he is a spineless sell out who has no principles or self respect.
sounds like vijayakanth. Interestingly enough, I had noticed that the party flag in the hand of C.N.Annadurai (alias) Anna's statues in Tamilnadu keeps changing every 5 yrs, I guess according to the ruling party. Now, I have only read about Annadurai and have heard that he was a leader who stayed away totally from corruption and hatred politics and also maintained a decent relationship with Kamaraj, Rajaji & other leaders despite them being his political opposites.
Those leaders (not essentially politicians) in 50's and 60's were the last breed that practiced respect for other leaders. Nowadays, we have politicians who do politics (being smart) to sustain themselves in power that ensures constant supply of money to them. We DO NOT and CANNOT see leaders anymore, only people indulging in politics. so, i guess, chiranjeevi is no different.

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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:06 pm

truthbetold wrote:Prop
Smartha is right. but using rishi's criteria for identifying real Brahmins,  jp fits the bill.  really smart and sincere guy.
India has a habit of self destruction.
pvn did great. sent home.
vajpayee put India firmly on the path of economic growth and shut the socialist wagon. again sent home.
Sm Krishna , cbn , were sent home.
nitish kumar will lose in bihar.
I am glad that Chauhan got reelected.
the pattern of good politicians losing will not incentivize good behaviour.
CBN did what? I guess telling farmers to use electric lines to dry clothes is sure sign of economic growth. CBN was rightfully sent home

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Post by truthbetold Mon Feb 24, 2014 5:31 pm

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i will argue with you on anything but about cbn. you have developed intense hatred against cbn at non political level. so it is not useful for me to engage you on that one topic.

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Post by Guest Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:06 pm

i heard that Chiranjeevi was paid 150 crores and Sushma Swaraj was paid 250 crores by congress for T formation.

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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:09 pm

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i will argue with you on anything but about cbn. you have developed intense hatred against cbn at non political level. so it is not useful for me to engage you on that one topic.
Interesting.. Somebody that brings up "loot" in every other sentence to describe another CM has the gall to accuse me of being biased/hateful at personal level!! Don't try too hard to convince others of  your political fairness. What did your ideal/idol CM do? ascended to the CM post through the backdoor; by joining hands with Ramoji Rao & another loser opportunist to back stab NTR. He used up all the goodwill gained by his father-in-law when he got reelected; let's wait and see if he is capable of winning one on his own.

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Post by nevada Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:20 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Prop
Smartha is right. but using rishi's criteria for identifying real Brahmins,  jp fits the bill.  really smart and sincere guy.
India has a habit of self destruction.
pvn did great. sent home.
vajpayee put India firmly on the path of economic growth and shut the socialist wagon. again sent home.
Sm Krishna , cbn , were sent home.
nitish kumar will lose in bihar.
I am glad that Chauhan got reelected.
the pattern of good politicians losing will not incentivize good behaviour.
CBN did what? I guess telling farmers to use electric lines to dry clothes is sure sign of economic growth. CBN was rightfully sent home
+1. CBN screwed farmers big time. He got lucky that NTR died in 96 or else he would have drubbed him in the elections for his backstabbing.

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Post by smArtha Mon Feb 24, 2014 6:32 pm

Kinnera wrote:i heard that Chiranjeevi was paid 150 crores and Sushma Swaraj was paid 250 crores by congress for T formation.

Sushma needing 250crores is understandable. Her sole opportunity to make money, I guess. But Chiranjeevi could have pocketed much more by 'acting wise'.

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Post by truthbetold Mon Feb 24, 2014 9:49 pm

confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Cd
i will argue with you on anything but about cbn. you have developed intense hatred against cbn at non political level. so it is not useful for me to engage you on that one topic.
Interesting.. Somebody that brings up "loot" in every other sentence to describe another CM has the gall to accuse me of being biased/hateful at personal level!! Don't try too hard to convince others of  your political fairness. What did your ideal/idol CM do? ascended to the CM post through the backdoor; by joining hands with Ramoji Rao & another loser opportunist to back stab NTR. He used up all the goodwill gained by his father-in-law when he got reelected; let's wait and see if he is capable of winning one on his own.
CD 
As I said before i will not engage you on CBN. 
 
AS far as bringing up of YSR's loot, I have done that before 2009 elections.  I did that before YSR died and after he died.  Each of those accusations have been proven to be real and true.  They moved from newspaper headlines to CBI chargesheets.  Later govts have reversed many of the land deals.  These are all public records.  I am justified in using loot.

Even if Indian legal system does not catch up with some of the corrupt politicians, I will reserve my right to signal those that harm people's interest. 

Despite my intense dislike of looting by YSR and Jagan,  I recognize the immense popularity of YSR in 2009 elections. I happen to be in India at that time.  I reported the same on coffeehouse. I also stated that YSR is the most popular congress CM who won an election on his own. 

All of us have biases and blind spots. I honestly told you what I observed. I did not ask you to change your views or do anything different. I am just exercising my right on that one subject. I do not wish to drag this discussion further as I consider you as a honest decent person and a virtual friend.  I hope we can get past this difference.

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Post by confuzzled dude Mon Feb 24, 2014 10:20 pm

truthbetold wrote:
confuzzled dude wrote:
truthbetold wrote:Cd
i will argue with you on anything but about cbn. you have developed intense hatred against cbn at non political level. so it is not useful for me to engage you on that one topic.
Interesting.. Somebody that brings up "loot" in every other sentence to describe another CM has the gall to accuse me of being biased/hateful at personal level!! Don't try too hard to convince others of  your political fairness. What did your ideal/idol CM do? ascended to the CM post through the backdoor; by joining hands with Ramoji Rao & another loser opportunist to back stab NTR. He used up all the goodwill gained by his father-in-law when he got reelected; let's wait and see if he is capable of winning one on his own.
CD 
As I said before i will not engage you on CBN. 
 
AS far as bringing up of YSR's loot, I have done that before 2009 elections.  I did that before YSR died and after he died.  Each of those accusations have been proven to be real and true.  They moved from newspaper headlines to CBI chargesheets.  Later govts have reversed many of the land deals.  These are all public records.  I am justified in using loot.

Even if Indian legal system does not catch up with some of the corrupt politicians, I will reserve my right to signal those that harm people's interest. 

Despite my intense dislike of looting by YSR and Jagan,  I recognize the immense popularity of YSR in 2009 elections. I happen to be in India at that time.  I reported the same on coffeehouse. I also stated that YSR is the most popular congress CM who won an election on his own. 

All of us have biases and blind spots. I honestly told you what I observed. I did not ask you to change your views or do anything different. I am just exercising my right on that one subject. I do not wish to drag this discussion further as I consider you as a honest decent person and a virtual friend.  I hope we can get past this difference.

The feeling is mutual but nothing I said was unreal or personal either..

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Post by b_A Mon Feb 24, 2014 11:26 pm

Kinnera wrote:i heard that Chiranjeevi was paid 150 crores and Sushma Swaraj was paid 250 crores by congress for T formation.

Why do you need to pay Chiranjeevi?  Just a  verbal order from Sonia is enough for him to fall in line.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:23 am

Propagandhi711 wrote:
smArtha wrote:
Propagandhi711 wrote:also wonder what happens with brahmins, JP is simply not someone with mass appeal..who do they align themselves with? traditionally they were congress supporters (reddy camp basically) but jagan's christian baggage is not very appealing to them

JP is not a brahmin, if that was an assumption above. He is from Kamma/Chowdary community. Brahmins in AP don't have enough strength to impact the political outcomes of any party, even if they consolidate and vote to one party/person.

I didnt know about his caste, assumed he was brahmin for some reason. brahmin voters are typically urban dwelling middleclass so I must have conflated their support with some caste loyalties. regarding his chances, maybe he gets some urban votes at the periphery but it's a small constituency...
JP is a Kamma fellow from Godavarru (not Jandhyala Godavarru in Guntur dist, the one in Krishna dist). He was some 8 years junior to me at Andhra Loyola College. He went to Guntur medical college after that.

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Post by truthbetold Tue Feb 25, 2014 5:56 am

My two cents on formation of new govt in ap before elections.
If a govt is formed now ap will have to go elections in April with lok sabha.
If presidential rule is promulgated it allows center to extend the assembly term by an year. T leaders oppose that.
Congress will lose all Mp seats in seemandhra anyway.
I do not see much upside.
Minor benefits of a short term govt under a seemandhra Kali leader are going to elections under your own govt and dubious possibility of kapu community vote for Congress.
A better play would be give up on seemandhra for now and make a t area dalit new cm to balance the powerful pro kcr winds blowing in t area.
Congress is in a lose lose situation in ap.

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Post by Vakavaka Pakapaka Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:00 am

truthbetold wrote:My two cents on formation of new govt in ap before elections.
If a govt is formed now ap will have to go elections in April with lok sabha.
If presidential rule is promulgated it allows center to extend the assembly term by an year. T leaders oppose that.
Congress will lose all Mp seats in seemandhra anyway.
I do not see much upside.
Minor benefits of a short term govt under a seemandhra Kali leader are going to elections under your own govt and dubious possibility of kapu community vote for Congress.
A better play would be give up on seemandhra for now and make a t area dalit new cm to balance the powerful pro kcr winds blowing in t area.
Congress is in a lose lose situation in ap.
KCR already assessed the numerical power of Maadigas in T. That was the reason why he suggested that he will make a Maadiga the first CM of T. Historically, T Madigas were worse off than Maalas in A area. The "dora" pretenders treated them like dirt and neglected their plight when reservations were being implemented in AP. In A area, Maalas already have some political clout. In T area, Maadigas (they are the majority in T SC) are only now becoming politically active.

If CONartists can wean Maadigas away from TRS "doras" (not that difficult since Maadigas have a visceral hatred for "doras" and are waiting for someone to prop them up), they can be a strong force against the Velama community. If KCR puts hurdles for CONmen, MT may choose to prop up a Maadiga leader (slap-gate Jagannadham, Shankara Rao, Vivekananda, etc.) as the CM. However, these leaders are as corrupt as those we have seen from other communities. They will rob H left and right and ruin its reputation in no time.

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Post by b_A Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:28 pm

Chiranjeevi is not even an MLA. How can he become CM?
There is a provision in the constitution where a governor can invite a non-MLA to be CM and get elected within 6 months. But when the remaining life of assembly itself is less than 3 mos, is it not making a mockery of the constitution ?

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Post by indophile Tue Feb 25, 2014 1:47 pm

May be they will just get a Dalit guy to be "ek din ka sultan" (yeah, teen mahneka), and declare promises given were fulfilled. After the election, it will be business as usual.

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Post by smArtha Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:22 pm

b_A wrote:Chiranjeevi is not even an MLA. How can he become CM?
There is a provision in the constitution where a governor can invite a non-MLA to be CM and get elected within 6 months. But when the remaining life of assembly itself is less than 3 mos, is it not making a mockery of the constitution ?

Isn't that the norm followed so far in this entire bifurcation process?

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Post by b_A Tue Feb 25, 2014 11:37 pm

smArtha wrote:
b_A wrote:Chiranjeevi is not even an MLA. How can he become CM?
There is a provision in the constitution where a governor can invite a non-MLA to be CM and get elected within 6 months. But when the remaining life of assembly itself is less than 3 mos, is it not making a mockery of the constitution ?

Isn't that the norm followed so far in this entire bifurcation process?

Are the "T" supporters agreeing that bifurcation process so far is mockery of the constitution ?

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